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strugglingstudent
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 Oct 11, 08, 01:56AM    ¦ #41

WritersBeware:
If a site has proven to NOT engage in fraud and false advertising, it it NOT a "fraudulent" site--period.


But this does not prevent the site from delivering substandard work.

IMO none of these sites can make a 100% guarantee on the quality of the work since the standard is dependent on the person writing for the company. Admittedly a reputable site should not tolerate poor standards of work, however, these companies do not have the time to carry out FULL quality control on all pieces of work ordered and usually only dip sample the work, ergo a substandard piece of work could easily slip through the net.

It really is a case of trial and error when choosing to get a site to do an essay for you. What students should bear in mind is that when purchasing an essay in this way it SHOULD be used as a guideline only and NOT as a definitive piece of work that they should submit as their own.

NO essay writing site can prevent the customer submitting the work as their own and the companies offering these services are acutely aware of this. They cover themselves from accusations of encouraging plagiarism by stating that the work should be used as a reference only, but know full well that MOST students who buy these essays are probably going to submit the work as their own.

What I would like to see is a company setting up that does not provide a completed piece for the student but that works alongside the student suggesting ways in which they could improve their own writing skills. I cannot see this proving popular for many of those who buy essays from any of the sites mentioned on this forum as the impression I get is that they do not want to have to do ANY of the work themselves.

deluca
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 Oct 11, 08, 05:14PM    ¦ #42

a fraud site is also one that delivers sub-standard work. if a service is paid for and does not deliver at the level it says or on time, its a ripoff. why make claims to be able to deliver in this much or that much time and then you deliver crap.

deluca
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| Edited by: deluca Oct 11, 08, 09:45PM    ¦ #43

here's some fraud acitivity by essaytown. i kinda agree, the site runs quite dubiously. it places a very obscure email address, and seems very dodgy on the communication end. hard to get a hold of them.

i dont think ANYONE can counter my claim.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/286/RipOff0286582.htm

WritersBeware
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 Oct 11, 08, 10:00PM    ¦ #44

WritersBeware:
An unsubstantiated, 5-year-old "ripoff report" is irrelevant and holds absolutely zero credibility. Ripoffreport.com has already been proven to be a corrupt, fraudulent enterprise that does absolutely NOTHING to vet the "complaints" that it receives. Ripoffreport.com is also operated by a convicted felon.

By the way, ALL legitimate companies receive an occasional complaint. There is a big difference between a company that employs a fraudulent business model and a legitimate company that receives an occasional complaint from an unrealistic customer.

If I have already investigated a company, I will tell you immediately that it is fraudulent. If you don't believe me, use the SEARCH FUNCTION to locate my EVIDENCE. If a site has proven to NOT engage in fraud and false advertising, it it NOT a "fraudulent" site--period.


WritersBeware
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 Oct 11, 08, 10:06PM    ¦ #45

Dude, it you don't like a site for whatever reason, just go somewhere else. It's pretty simple.

deluca
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 Oct 11, 08, 10:07PM    ¦ #46

no, its not that. just prove that claim is FALSE. prove it, so i can believe you.

WritersBeware
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 Oct 11, 08, 10:09PM    ¦ #47


FreelanceWriter
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| Edited by: FreelanceWriter Oct 12, 08, 12:50AM    ¦ #48

deluca:
here's some fraud acitivity by essaytown. i kinda agree, the site runs quite dubiously. it places a very obscure email address, and seems very dodgy on the communication end. hard to get a hold of them. ... no, its not that. just prove that claim is FALSE. prove it, so i can believe you.


I've been writing for essaytown since 2003. It's a totally legit company located in Jersey. You know nothing about the actual truth of that isolated complaint. They provide approximately 12,000 papers every month and any legitimate customer complaints generate a rewrite notice to writers.

Occasionally, you get ridiculous complaints like customers who submit their papers for academic credit (which the sales contract prohibits) and then request "rewrites" 2 weeks later based on their instructors' comments.

After writing a few thousand papers, I've collected dozens of loyal repeat customers who ask for me in all their orders. In that time, I've also had a handful of idiots threaten to sue (or whatever) because they wanted papers rewritten for being "too good" which isn't a valid reason for a rewrite. One time, a kid make all sorts of ridiculous requests for stuff he never had in his original order and when his request was refused, he accused me of "plagiarizing" a simple paper that I wrote about O.J. Simpson that was 100% off the top of my head for which the only thing I even went on-line to look up at all was the correct spelling of "Bruno Magli" shoes.

I've also had complaints that all my sources were "from New York" based on the fact that most book publishers are in NYC; and another time, a customer angrily demanded to know why I "left out" the book title "written by Ibid" in the Bibliography (I'm not kidding).

In my experience, most customers are very appreciative, but like any other business, sometimes complete retards order papers and they get very angry when they're told that they can't hold us responsible for their silly mistakes. I have no idea what happened to that one customer, but I guarantee that nobody just took his payment and then never wrote the paper. He's either angry and retaliating over something else or his essay went to his spam folder or something like that. More likely, his paper was never taken off the board by any writer and he never checked his credit card statement the next month to see that his prepayment was refunded in full. (If nobody takes your paper, that's what happens, because they're charged at the time they place the order.)

I think it's irresponsible to start calling an entire company a fraudulent enterprise based on a single unsubstantiated complaint like that whose veracity you know nothing about. If anybody REALLY wants to test out essaytown, just order a single page paper and request FreelanceWriter in your order. I can't refute the specific complaint you linked, but I can certainly prove that if you order a paper from them, you'll receive your paper by its due date. This isn't a solictation, either; I don't really need that single-page order.

deluca
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 Oct 12, 08, 03:02AM    ¦ #49

writersbeware, that DOESNT answer the question. if a consumer files a report saying a paper was NOT delivered (after payment), then there is a problem. essaytown has a very dubious support system. just that order form and its hard to hear from essaytown. even a fraud ukrainian site like customwritings.com has notes for communication. a good site has good support for customers.

WritersBeware
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 Oct 12, 08, 04:11AM    ¦ #50

deluca:
writersbeware, that DOESNT answer the question. if a consumer files a report saying a paper was NOT delivered (after payment), then there is a problem.

Did you not read FreelanceWriter's previous post? Geez . . . .

I don't think essaytown cares whether or not you order from them. If you don't like that site for whatever reason, just move on and stop grasping at straws--it only makes you seem like a crony of a competing site.

deluca
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 Oct 12, 08, 04:29AM    ¦ #51

why would someone file a report against a site JUST like that? customer satisfaction is always an issue, but just claiming someone is making false complaints is stupid. i dont have ANY dislike for essaytown.

WritersBeware
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 Oct 12, 08, 04:46AM    ¦ #52

You clearly have STILL not read or understood FreelanceWriter's previous post. Further conversation with you is pointless.

FreelanceWriter
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| Edited by: FreelanceWriter Oct 12, 08, 12:35PM    ¦ #53

deluca:
why would someone file a report against a site JUST like that? customer satisfaction is always an issue, but just claiming someone is making false complaints is stupid. i dont have ANY dislike for essaytown.


I just explained several reasons that customers occasionally get so mad they retaliate by filing false charges. Why would you assume that a single nasty five-year-old complaint is necessarily valid, especially against a company that provided about 70,000 papers during that same time period? Wouldn't you expect more than ONE complaint if the company were a scam? Isn't it much more LIKELY that it's from a single customer who had a gripe or was just too stupid to check his credit card account for the refund from a paper that was never actually charged because no writer ever took it off the writers' board?

How do you explain the lack of complaints from the OTHER 69,999 customers?

If you're so sure that essaytown, madpapers, and phd-dissertations are all fraudulent, I already told you how to test out your theory very easily: cough up the lousy $20 or so for a 1-pg paper from any of them and see what happens. If you also want to test me in particular, just request me on any of those sites.

James Deacon
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 Oct 24, 08, 08:55AM    ¦ #54

Any good experiences from this company?

FreelanceWriter
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 Oct 24, 08, 01:30PM    ¦ #55

James Deacon:

Any good experiences from this company?

Yes. Every customer for whom I've written through the company for the last 4 or 5 years. Need first-hand proof? Order a 1-pg paper at their cheapest rate and see what happens. You'll get your paper exactly as ordered and it will pass any plagiarism test you use.

EW_writer
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 Oct 24, 08, 11:05PM    ¦ #56

FreelanceWriter:
I've also had complaints that all my sources were "from New York" based on the fact that most book publishers are in NYC; and another time, a customer angrily demanded to know why I "left out" the book title "written by Ibid" in the Bibliography (I'm not kidding).

Hahaha! ^__^

This one's for FreelanceWriter. Does essaytown accept offshore applicants?

FreelanceWriter
Reg: Oct 8, 08
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 Oct 25, 08, 03:27AM    ¦ #57

Sorry EW, I have no idea whether your location is an issue. Send them your resume and some samples and see what they say.

Kazdagi
Reg: Nov 16, 08
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 Nov 16, 08, 11:47AM    ¦ #58

Greetings,

I have been reading these posts over the last few days in the hopes of determining who will get a crack at writing my research paper. I decided to give Essaytown a try. While I would like to trust FreelanceWriter with the assignment, due to the medical nature of the article I will let the Company find my writer and shall report back to this forum on the results they achieve. I would like to thank all, antagonist and protagonist alike, that diligently, nay feverishly, work to educate us on the quality and worth of these sites. May you prosper in all your endeavors. I plan on placing my order sometime within the next 48 hours on a seven day turnaround time. Again - thanks.

BTW - like FreelanceWriter, one needn't be a detective from CSI to contact me as I have been with AOL since the dawn of aol-time.


Kazdagi

FreelanceWriter
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| Edited by: FreelanceWriter Nov 17, 08, 03:50PM    ¦ #59

Kaz, are you the 20-pg dexmedetomidine paper? That's probably out of my depth but I do plenty of other medical issues...more ethics/legal/historical/policy/nursing stuff than syntheses of technical research articles. I used to write fulltime for HHS-OIG.

lostsaad
Reg: Mar 8, 08
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 Nov 17, 08, 07:36PM    ¦ #60

Dang, i wonder how the site owners and WB are able to market their website despite being criticized and exposed =/ *hats off* WB =/

P.S this sole reason forces me to fall 'more' in love with you.

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