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Edited by: rustyironchains Oct 21, 10, 06:30AM
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I wish some of the companies I worked for would put me on advertising. I'd clean house.
WB, please stop saying you are here to help people and expose fraud.
as far as helping people, all you do to newbies with questions is accuse them of spamming and yell at them if they ask for recommendations.
your fraud-exposing tools are primitive-- Google and public records. you're no sleuth. you're an internet weirdo. it's unhealthy, what you're doing. promise me you'll seek help.
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Oct 21, 10, 02:12PM
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EW_writer: Are you backing out? Are you now saying that the crime of false advertisement CAN be perpetrated even if the company never sold anything?
I already clearly explained my position on that, and I will not do so again.
You lost. Shut up and go about your dirty business, Margie.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 21, 10, 02:18PM
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rustyironchains: as far as helping people, all you do to newbies with questions is accuse them of spamming and yell at them if they ask for recommendations.
Really?
I'm also sorry that you have a problem with respecting others' property and abiding by rules, ya filthy, admitted criminal. By the way, I'm not the only member who rightfully calls out such charlatans.
rustyironchains: your fraud-exposing tools are primitive-- Google and public records.
LMAO! Rusty, just STFU while you're behind. Tell me, for example, what did "Google" and "public records" have to do with the videos that I shot in New York and Virginia and posted in this forum? You know, the videos of the FAKE ADDRESSES that your dirty employer posted on his sites and had no choice but to remove after my investigations . . . . I guaran-damn-tee you that the crook never expected someone to VISIT those fake addresses, and now his crimes are on public record forever.
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Edited by: rustyironchains Oct 21, 10, 04:45PM
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WB, you search Google and public records for dirt-- just like any other spiteful, civilian weirdo with an internet connection and too much free time. declaring yourself a super-crusader in this context is pathetic enough-- you don't even need the little road-trips (where did you get those addresses? Google and public records!).
I have to say, though, WB, I like your general drift towards IRL stalking. it's going to get you locked up quicker, and it's probably better exercise. when the cops eventually catch you rooting through Yuri's curbside garbage like some perverse raccoon, I hope you remember to tell them what a service you're doing the grateful, graceful, and totally worth-protecting customers of the essay-mill industry.
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 21, 10, 07:50PM
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Well, I know it's beating a dead horse but hey.. I promised so..
One of WritersBeware's MO is scaring writers out of working for sites like essaywriters.net and academic research by telling them that they can be held criminally liable for the false advertising committed by their employers.
I engaged her in this debate in the thread below, where I proved without a doubt that you cannot be an accomplice to false advertising if your actions do not contribute in any way to the advertisement.
Substantive issues in the essay industry
As an utterly stupid, last ditch effort to hold on to her MO, WritersBeware declared that writers do provide critical assistance to their employer's false advertising because unless companies are able to sell a product to a client, they cannot be held accountable for false advertising.
Substantive issues in the essay industry
This gave me the perfect opportunity to bury her in the Lanham Act, the law which enumerates the only things that need to be proven for a false advertisement to hold.
To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things:
(1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity;
(2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience;
(3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience;
(4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce;
and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff.
The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer.
Clearly, anyone who's NOT ON METH can see that proving that the offending company actually made a sale is not necessary (and I dare anyone else in this forum to say otherwise). However, WB just wouldn't let go (I don't blame her since she probably is on meth and her job is most likely everything she has). She kept on talking about how the law mentioned the word "commerce" and that that implies that the offending company should have made a sale and all that sh*t. Seriously, that's the most pathetic excuse I've ever heard. However, I haven't really constructed an example that undeniably ruins her "no sale, no crime" excuse.
Thanks to the mechanic example given by Pheelyks on this thread, I now have that perfect example.
Here it goes:
So let's say that shop A which normally charges $10/hour falsely advertises that its mechanic has a graduate degree when he doesn't. Across the street is shop B which charges customers $10/hour and has a mechanic who also does not have a graduate degree. However, shop B does not misrepresent their mechanic's qualifications. A couple of blocks away is shop C which actually has a mechanic with a graduate degree and charges $25/hour.
Now, let's say that shop A, despite its false advertisement, WAS NEVER ABLE to get a single customer. Customers were turned off by the shop's appearance, and really didn't like the manager's sleazy smile. Shop B on found out that shop A was advertising that its mechanic has a graduate degree. Can shop B prove a false advertising complaint against shop A? YES! Why?!? Shop A never completed a financial transaction? They never even mentioned shop B in their Ad. That's true but Shop A and Shop B charge the same rate. Customers who see that the two rates are the same would think twice about going to shop B, since shop A is able to charge $10/hr for a mechanic who allegedly has a graduate degree while shop B charges the same rate for a mechanic without a graduate degree. Shop B's business is getting negatively affected by shop A's advertisement. This shows without a doubt that a company can be held for false advertising regardless of whether or not that company was actually able to sell anything.
Now let's drive it home:
There are hundreds of online essay writing sites. Many of them are just out there to steal students' money. Some of them don't even have any writers. However, their advertisements and the prices at which they advertise their services affect the market. When a company with a well-constructed website advertises that they sell custom-made term papers written by people with PhDs at $7/page when they actually have no such writers, they are affecting the market and making people think that they can actually get PhD-level work at $7/page. Such a company can be held accountable by its competitors for its false advertising practices regardless of whether or not the offending company was actually able to sell anything. That's how the Lanham Act works. Thus, WRITERS HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. They can work for whatever sites they want and need not worry of such sites' false advertising practices. It simply HAS NOTHING to do with them.
FIN. ^_________^
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Oct 21, 10, 11:43PM
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rustyironchains: (where did you get those addresses? Google and public records!)
Wrong, you f*cking moron! I got those addresses directly from your fraudulent employer's sites! He had no choice but to completely remove the addresses after I outed him as the filthy liar who has so very much in common with you.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 22, 10, 12:16AM
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EW_writer: One of WritersBeware's MO is scaring writers out of working for sites like essaywriters.net and academic research by telling them that they can be held criminally liable for the false advertising committed by their employers.
Hey, piece of human garbage, why don't you quote the post in which I stated exactly the following?
"Writers can be held criminally liable for the false advertising committed by their employers."
Why are you such an intentionally oversimplifying, spinning b*tch? That is absolutely NOT what I stated. You're a pathetic liar, Margaret Marsot (AKA, "johnny_outsmart" at EssayBay). I have specifically stated that once a writer becomes aware of the misrepresentation of his/her qualifications by his/her employer and chooses to look the other way to keep the dirty money flowing into his/her pockets, the writer becomes an accessory and/or co-conspirator to his/her employer's crimes.
rustyironchains: totally worth-protecting customers of the essay-mill industry
That's Rusty's opinion of his own clients. What a piece of garbage.
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 22, 10, 12:26AM
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WritersBeware: I have specifically stated that once a writer becomes aware of he misrepresentation of his/her qualifications by his/her employer and chooses to look the other way, the writer becomes an accessory and/or co-conspirator to the crimes.
No he doesn't become an accessory to anything. Like I said, WRITERS have nothing to fear. Even if writers are aware that say essaywriters.net owns bestessays and bestessays is allegedly misrepresenting its writers' qualifications, any legal claim made against bestessays in this regard would not IN ANY WAY include its writers (at least so long as the writers themselves don't lie to clients about their qualifications).
So, are you still waving your "no sale, no crime" banner? ^____________^ ROFLMAO!!! Kicking your a** is so easy, it's getting boring. :P
WritersBeware: Margaret Marsot (AKA, "johnny_outsmart" at EssayBay)
Hey, can you like do this more often? The more you tell people that I am johnny_outsmart (which I deny), the more clients I get from this forum.
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 22, 10, 01:10AM
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WritersBeware: Good. As long as you're here,
I'm putting the finishing touches on a 13000-word dissertation while kicking your a**. Yep, that's how easy it is. ^_________^ You wanna know something sweet? I got this client from this forum. The way I figure it, the more I humiliate you in this forum, the more direct clients I'm likely to get. The hobby actually pays off. ROFLMAO!!!
Oh.. but nice try getting rid of me, though. ^_______^
Now where were we?
Where's the "no sale, no crime" banner COWARD? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Where are the evidences that I've been frantic about your joke of an expose? HAHAHAHA!!!
You are so PATHETIC. >.<
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Oct 22, 10, 01:12AM
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EW_writer: I'm putting the finishing touches on a 13000-word dissertation
1. Prove it.
2. Who cares?
EW_writer: I got this client from this forum.
Am I surprised that you knowingly break forum rules? Hardly.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 22, 10, 01:16AM
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EW_writer: Where are the evidences that I've been frantic about your joke of an expose? HAHAHAHA!!!
So, it's your official position that you NEVER contacted any members or companies regarding any of your run-ins with me? You sure?
By the way, the only reason why you have challenged me to post the information is because you know that I won't. Why? You know that I won't reveal my sources, most of whom/which specificlly requested that I not divulge their involvement. How do you think I got some of my leads on you, moron? Oh, and guess what—the sources contacted ME, not the other way around. They hate you that much, Margie.
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 22, 10, 01:17AM
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WritersBeware: 1. Prove it. 2. Who cares?
Hmm... so you challenge me to prove it but you're so afraid that I will that if I do prove it, you're ready to say that you don't care.
Brilliant.. let me guess where you get your debate tips.. Sarah Palin?
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 22, 10, 01:22AM
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WritersBeware: So, it's your official position that you NEVER contacted any members or companies regarding any of your run-ins with me? You sure?
LOL!!!! More proof that you got nothing. We're talking about your expose, remember?
WritersBeware: Oh, and guess what—the sources contacted ME, not the other way around.
WritersBeware: You know that I won't reveal my sources, most of whom/which specificlly requested that I not divulge their involvement.
Proof, proof, proof. Got none? LOL!!!! It doesn't even make sense that those people would want to stay anonymous. It's not like I can do anything to them. The only plausible conclusion is this: THEY ALL JUST EXIST IN YOUR IMAGINATION.
LOL!!!!
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Oct 22, 10, 09:04AM
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WritersBeware: those addresses directly from your fraudulent employer's sites
so you didn't use Google first? well, I take it all back, then. if you can go directly to a website and copy down information, you must be the next freaking Alexander Dupin. sorry about the confusion.
WritersBeware: That's Rusty's opinion of his own clients.
so-- what's your opinion of people who cheat their way through school? I'm just trying to make a buck doing what I authentically went to school for. that doesn't make me a
WritersBeware: filthy, admitted criminal
at all. neither does working that scam I mentioned-- like writing "research guides," that op was completely legal, and came to you courtesy of the red, white, and blue.
I think I see your basic problem, WB-- you can't beat them or join them.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 22, 10, 06:06PM
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rustyironchains: WritersBeware: those addresses directly from your fraudulent employer's sites so you didn't use Google first? well, I take it all back, then. if you can go directly to a website and copy down information, you must be the next freaking Alexander Dupin. sorry about the confusion.
Where are the company's misrepresentations more prominently visible than on its own Web sites? Wake up, crook.
rustyironchains: so-- what's your opinion of people who cheat their way through school?
My personal opinion means absolutely NOTHING to a court of law, and neither does yours. There is only "legal" and "illegal." Your scam—and the fraudulent practices that you defend—are "illegal."
rustyironchains: neither does working that scam I mentioned
Rusty thinks that "personally working a scam" does not make him a criminal. Wow.
rustyironchains: courtesy of the red, white, and blue
What's your point, America hater? I have frequently welcomed you—and anyone else—to post verifiable proof of fraudulent tactics or advertising employed by ANY American company. After YEARS, why has that still not happened?
rustyironchains: WB, you search Google and public records for dirt
RustyWriter, I have a simple challenge for you. Out of all of the dozens of investigations that I have conducted (on which I subsequently reported in this forum), exactly where online did ANY of the key information in my threads exist before I posted it here? Please post the URLs. Thanks.
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 22, 10, 07:14PM
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WritersBeware: My personal opinion means absolutely NOTHING to a court of law,
How true. ^__________^
WritersBeware: False advertisement is a crime only when a customer actually buys something.
WritersBeware: fervent, unrelenting, years-long, public support/defense of a belief—in writing—constitutes action in the eyes of the law.
WritersBeware: one can be an accomplice even if one does not affect how the crime is committed in any way.
- Stupid, quasi-legal opinions of WritersBeware (2010).
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 22, 10, 09:49PM
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Shut up, ya dumb whore. You're tired.
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 22, 10, 10:20PM
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WritersBeware: Shut up, ya dumb whore. You're tired.
Thing is, I'm not dumb and I'm not a whore, and you got NO ONE to back you up on those statements. The way I see it, YOU'RE tired. ^___^
The fact that 1.) you have FAILED to support any of your silly claims enumerated in my previous post and that 2.) you continue to claim that people in this forum "hate" me while not being able to show A SHRED of proof goes to show what a sad, pathetic cretin you are.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 22, 10, 10:51PM
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EW_writer: Thing is, I'm not dumb and I'm not a whore, and you got NO ONE to back you up on those statements.
Am I supposed to interview your 500 bedmates?
EW_writer: 1.) you have FAILED to support any of your silly claims enumerated in my previous post
Bullsh*t. I did so numerous times in other threads. You just want to drag your personal propaganda into every thread in which I post. F off.
EW_writer: 2.) you continue to claim that people in this forum "hate" me while not being able to show A SHRED of proof goes to show what a sad, pathetic cretin you are.
The proof is in the pudding, moron. How did I get all of that "secret" info about your YEARS-LONG, fake identity and masquerading as a male, ESL writer because you couldn't legitimately/fairly refute my position regarding the average, ESL writer in the American essay industry (for which another prominent member rightfully called you out)? How did I get all of your email addresses and usernames at other sites? How did I find out that you are, despite your useless denials, johnny_outsmart at EB? How could I have possibly gotten any of that information without contacts in your inner circle? How could I have known that you have been FIRED in the past and groveled to be re-hired? Think about that, Margie.
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 23, 10, 04:57AM
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WritersBeware: I did so numerous times in other threads.
No, you haven't. Pretending that you have doesn't make you look any less of an idiot. ^_^
WritersBeware: How did I get all of that "secret" info about your YEARS-LONG,
ROFLMAO!!!! You still don't get it do you? ^_____^ Hahahahaha!!!!! You don't have a SINGLE thing that does ANY damage to me. Do you know why that is? LOL!!!!! I'm not telling. :P
WritersBeware: How could I have known that you have been FIRED in the past and groveled to be re-hired? Think about that, Margie.
Oh, show us a shred of f*cking proof, a**hole. ^___^ What? You can go out of your way to take photos of "fake" addresses but you can't give a single substantiation on an outright defamation of my professional record? Sheeesh. ^_____________^ Goes to show that when it comes to the things that do matter, YOU don't matter.
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