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I would never use a site that in addition to writing custom essays sells prewritten papers or have affilations with such sites. I see every second custom essay site do it. That means they will sell you pre-written paper too and will resell your "original paper" to other students, even if they claim they write only for you!!
If you don't believe me, ask yourselve where they take these prewritten papers from!? Do you think they just write papers on every subject in the hopes someone will buy it? NO, they just use YOUR custom essay, the one you paid extra money because you thought it was only written for you and you were just duped! They are like car dealership that make more money on used cars than on new cars! And your paper can appear on sale the next day you bought your * custom essay *. DOn't get fooled with these sites!
I learned my lesson too and got problems when my * custom and original paper * appeared in search engines on the next day I ordered it! When I told them about it they said that "on the day they sent me the paper it was original and never published" and that their job was done! It's how they trick you - on the day of sending the paper it appears legit and not published, but in a couple of days it's in their "pre-written papers section" ready to add to cart and in search engines, but they don't care!
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 1, 08, 11:05PM
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In my opinion, this thread should be deleted because the NEW member has neither mentioned a specific site nor provided any evidence whatsoever. History suggests that this poster is probably associated with a site that claims to "never re-sell."
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Edited by: propel Jun 1, 08, 11:09PM
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I only express my opinion, why it should be deleted?! I say I would never use ANY sites again that sells prewritten papers, ever. That's my opinion based on my true experience.
They sell papers as a courtesy? DO you mean they share the money with the original student that paid for their * custom essay *? I certainly doubt it and it doesn't hold water.
What others think?
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Jun 1, 08, 11:13PM
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propel: I only express my opinion, why it should be deleted?!
Buddy, don't try to hoodwink me. Many have tried; all have failed.
propel: I learned my lesson too and got problems when my * custom and original paper * appeared in search engines on the next day I ordered it! When I told them about it they said that "on the day they sent me the paper it was original and never published" and that their job was done!
That's not an opinion. That is a statement of fact. Unless you name the site and provide the evidence, you will prove yourself to be associated with a site that claims to "never re-sell." Rightfully, I expect that the moderator will then delete this thread.
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Edited by: propel Jun 1, 08, 11:17PM
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That is a statement of fact because in my exprience it was a fact. I don't have to mention the name of the site as I know they will try to blackmail me if they find out. You cannot prove otherwise either so we are even. I just warn students to think twice and consider all aspects before they buy * custom essay *. Also, don't believe in any "purchase awards" on these sites.
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Jun 1, 08, 11:31PM
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propel: That is a statement of fact because in my experience it was a fact.
Well, sorry, but I think you are a liar and a rep from a company.
Moderator, his response speaks for itself. He refuses to provide evidence to support his accusations; therefore, his posts are in violation of the forum's guidelines. Please delete this thread so that it does not serve his ulterior motives.
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Jun 1, 08, 11:47PM
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What is that is not true in my statement? It is my opinion based on experience and that is what forums is all about. You cannot judge my motives because I don't know who you are (but I don't care either). If you don't agree with my opinion, you have the right to do so.
Waiting for other people opinions since I already know yours.
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Jun 2, 08, 12:09PM
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WritersBeware: Moderator, his response speaks for itself. He refuses to provide evidence to support his accusations; therefore, his posts are in violation of the forum's guidelines. Please delete this thread so that it does not serve his ulterior motives.
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Jun 2, 08, 12:11PM
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I think it's pretty worthless to post a blanket statement without naming the company that you encountered. It's like saying all British are smelly b/c you met one Brit who refuses to shower. And the blackmail excuse for not naming the company is just silly.
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Jun 2, 08, 12:48PM
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SolidSnake: YAWN...YAWn...YAwn...Yawn...yawn...ZZZ...ZZz...zzzzzzzzzzzzz
At least your posts are getting a little more interesting . . . .
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Jun 2, 08, 12:50PM
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You don't understand. If I tell you the name of the company, the would threat me. Why do you think it's worthless to post my experience or advice? Why don't YOU tell us for which company you work for to make your post *more legitimate *? Maybe if you focused on the problem I described it would be better for the discussion.
Let others judge by themselves, if they consider me as a worthless poster let be it. It is just a piece of advice for students who can be confused with this business. It is on topic too so if you find it worthless, that's fine with me. But students have the right to know what's really going on behind the curtains and hear the story not as judged by company owners or their affilates but also by regular clients like me.
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Jun 2, 08, 01:37PM
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propel: You don't understand.
Right. Lavinia and I "don't understand." Too complicated. ;)
Post evidence or don't post at all. If you are scared of "blackmail," don't post. You can't post blanket statements about the entire industry. Sorry, but your "word" simply isn't good enough. This forum is often a gathering place for impostors, of which you have all but proven yourself to be one by refusing to prove your claims with even the slightest evidence.
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Jun 2, 08, 02:56PM
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That's right. You and Lavinia are the * industry insiders * but the truth is you only care about your business and don't care about the little man like myself. I represent the clients, you represent the business. It's the readers choice whom they should listen and who has what motives to even post.
Now I see you edited your own statement that such sites sell previously * custom written papers * as a courtesy, and this is what disqualifies you in my eyes because you admitted your post made no sense. Either way, I know your opinion already and I'd like to hear from others. And stay ON TOPIC please, don't try to mud waters.
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Jun 2, 08, 03:01PM
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LOL! That entire post is complete nonsense.
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Jun 2, 08, 03:05PM
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WritersBeware: LOL! That entire post is complete nonsense.
What is nonsense? It is the FACT you originally posted companies that offer prewritten papers in addition to custom essays do it as a COURTESY and make money X times as a COURTESY to whom, to themselves? I stated it makes no sense because they will not share the revenu with the original client who actually PAID for the CUSTOM PAPER that was supposed to be ONLY HIM. But later this same paper was sold by the same website to other clients. Let other judge what is nonsense in my post because I know your opinion already.
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propel: What is nonsense? It is the FACT you originally posted companies that offer prewritten papers in addition to custom essays do it as a COURTESY and make money X times
You're a complete tool. I never stated any such thing. Do yourself (and everyone else) a favor and brush up on your English skills.
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Jun 2, 08, 03:18PM
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Let others judge my statement. Those who followed the discussion clearly should know who stated what.
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Jun 2, 08, 03:20PM
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propel: Those who followed the discussion clearly should know who stated what.
Exactly.
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Jun 2, 08, 03:27PM
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If you are so knowledgeable about the essay industry (now I think you are a company owner or at least a writer yourself - do you care to tell whom you represent?), tell me - where do the sites that sell prewritten papers in addition to custom papers, where do they take the prewritten papers from? Please express your knowlegeable opinion.
And why you jumped on me so vigorously in the first place? Maybe it was your company that screwed me over??
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Jun 2, 08, 03:29PM
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propel: If you are so knowledgeable about the essay industry (now I think you are a company owner or at least a writer yourself - do you care to tell whom you represent?), tell me - where do the sites that sell prewritten papers in addition to custom papers, where do they take the prewritten papers from? Please express your knowlegeable opinion. And why you jumped on me so vigorously in the first place? Maybe it was your company that screwed me over??
Moderator, need I elaborate on why propel's baseless posts--and this entire thread--should be deleted?
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Jun 2, 08, 03:31PM
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Why it should be deleted, please tell me? Because you don't have more arguments? I asked legitimate question and my opinion, you jumped on me, edited your own post. Now you ask moderator to delete it as you lack arguments.
If you don't want to tell me, that's fine.
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Jun 2, 08, 03:32PM
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propel: You and Lavinia are the * industry insiders * but the truth is you only care about your business and don't care about the little man like myself.
Huh? You don't know me. I'm hardly an insider but more importantly, I don't work for any company that resells it's essays. In fact, if I were purely concerned only with my financial well being, I'd praise your initial post b/c it disparages the companies that compete with my employers - get it?
I'm not saying that there isn't a risk of a company reselling. However, not telling potential customers who does this really doesn't help them. Name the company and give folks real information that they can act on. Otherwise, you're just bringing up an amorphous fear in a post that really doesn't do anyone any good.
And the blackmail excuse IS silly. They can't blackmail you - you're an anon poster. If they rampantly resell their original essays, then I guarantee your not the only client to notice. Expecting that they will be able to track you down irl based upon a forum post is giving them WAY too much credit.
I think I've posted enough on this forum to demonstrate that I care about both clients and writers. You, on the other hand, haven't. WB's right, you're just a tool posting assertions and your immediate attacks directed at me and WB sure don't look like the response of a rational person acting purely out of the well-being of others.
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Jun 2, 08, 03:36PM
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propel: Why it should be deleted, please tell me? Because you don't have more arguments? I asked legitimate question and my opinion, you jumped on me, edited your own post. Now you ask moderator to delete it as you lack arguments.
I'll let you in on a little secret: I've torn apart impostors who are much more intelligent and detailed than you. In the course of my 937 posts, I've learned that--sometimes--it simply is not worth my time and well-being to argue with a simpleton.
"10. Posts and theories of speculative nature (as judged by the operators of this website) may be removed without warning."
http://www.essayscam.org/disclaimer_privacy.html
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Jun 2, 08, 03:37PM
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Lavinia, please tell me where these companies take their prewritten essays from and that should close the case.
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propel: Lavinia, please tell me where these companies take their prewritten essays from and that should close the case.
THAT is not the issue! You falsely accused ALL companies of CLAIMING to not re-sell papers, and then--behind customers' backs--turning around and re-selling the papers "the next day." Based on that complete nonsense, this entire thread should be deleted because it is based on a completely baseless accusation.
The fact that you refuse to provide ANY evidence in support of your particular experience should leave no doubt for the moderator.
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Jun 2, 08, 03:45PM
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I only accuse one company I had experience with and I provided argument why I THINK most of them do exacly the same. Tell me why it would not make sense for them to do that otherwise.
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propel: I only accuse one company I had experience with
Liar!
propel: I would never use a site that in addition to writing custom essays sells prewritten papers or have affilations with such sites. I see every second custom essay site do it. That means they will sell you pre-written paper too and will resell your "original paper" to other students, even if they claim they write only for you!! If you don't believe me, ask yourselve where they take these prewritten papers from!? Do you think they just write papers on every subject in the hopes someone will buy it? NO, they just use YOUR custom essay, the one you paid extra money because you thought it was only written for you and you were just duped! They are like car dealership that make more money on used cars than on new cars! And your paper can appear on sale the next day you bought your * custom essay *. DOn't get fooled with these sites!
Plain and simple: post the name of the site or shut up. Until you do so, this thread is useless and I will lobby for its deletion.
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Accidental duplicate
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The original poster shouldn't have to post evidence because he wasn't directing his accusation at a specific site. If you find prewritten papers for sale on a site and they are also doing custom writing, of course they are reselling the papers. Why wouldn't they? The customer doesn't own the copyright to the work. The writing company does and that lets them resell the paper. Sales of prewritten papers are pure profit because they no longer have to give a cut to the writer. The question is how long until they put the paper up for sale? Ideally, it should be at least after the current semester is over. But does it matter? The student shouldn't be turning in the paper anyways.
I guess you lurkers who are writing company owners should be glad I'm not in the custom writing business because I would have priced custom papers just enough to pay the writers and the credit processing fees and made my profits off the resales. Think about it. Prices low enough to attract the custom writing orders because you aren't making anything off it, but get to resell that paper dozens of times over. Those considering getting into the essay writing business... your business plan is right there. If you make millions, don't forget to give me a cut ;)
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corvus: The original poster shouldn't have to post evidence because he wasn't directing his accusation at a specific site.
I agree, to a certain extent, but he can't post blanket accusations, either.
corvus: The customer doesn't own the copyright to the work. The writing company does and that lets them resell the paper. Sales of prewritten papers are pure profit because they no longer have to give a cut to the writer. The question is how long until they put the paper up for sale? Ideally, it should be at least after the current semester is over.
That is 100% correct, and I know for a fact that the most prominent, American companies wait 3-4 months as a courtesy to the original customers. A company does not HAVE to wait even 5 minutes to re-sell, unless the company outwardly guarantees to customers a certain waiting period.
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Jun 2, 08, 05:55PM
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[quote=WritersBeware]Moderator, need I elaborate on why propel's baseless posts--and this entire thread--should be deleted?[/quote]
Oh please. Moderator please let WB take control of this site. She clearly needs to have some sort of power trip to fulfil her essay-writing life lol.
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Jun 2, 08, 06:53PM
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propel: Lavinia, please tell me where these companies take their prewritten essays from and that should close the case.
I don't even know what that means. I'm not the one making accusations, you are.
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Jun 2, 08, 07:01PM
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SolidSnake: Oh please. Moderator please let WB take control of this site. She clearly needs to have some sort of power trip to fulfil her essay-writing life lol.
Why do you have a problem with enforcing the rules of this forum? Perhaps, its because doing so prevents you--and others like you--from spewing unchecked nonsense?
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Jun 4, 08, 06:25AM
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WritersBeware: That is 100% correct, and I know for a fact that the most prominent, American companies wait 3-4 months as a courtesy to the original customers. A company does not HAVE to wait even 5 minutes to re-sell, unless the company outwardly guarantees to customers a certain waiting period.
That's exactly what I call scam! I paid for custom written paper and I thought it was only my property. But they later put it on sale in a couple of days. They don't have the right to do that because they sell my product they completed for me and I paid the full price for that.
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Jun 4, 08, 01:17PM
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propel: That's exactly what I call scam! I paid for custom written paper and I thought it was only my property. But they later put it on sale in a couple of days. They don't have the right to do that because they sell my product they completed for me and I paid the full price for that.
Wrong. Unless you PROVE that the site guarantees NOT to re-sell prior to a certain date in the future, there was no "scam." Since you refuse to name the site, you have no argument.
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Jun 4, 08, 01:29PM
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WritersBeware: Wrong. Unless you PROVE that the site guarantees NOT to re-sell prior to a certain date in the future, there was no "scam." Since you refuse to name the site, you have no argument.
That should be out of the question they should not resell what I ordered, that was the reason of my posting here! If I order to write a book or article and then I find out it's posted already, I would be accused for plagiarism even though I did nothing wrong. THe site I ordered from never mentioned I * must * use the paper by a specified date or it will be posted somewhere else and the paper will be useless for me and I don't know any site that has such warning with the order.
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Jun 4, 08, 01:51PM
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SolidSnake: Moderator please let WB take control of this site
We thought she was already doing it!!!
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Jun 4, 08, 02:03PM
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propel: I would be accused for plagiarism even though I did nothing wrong.
LOL. Think about that statement, just for a minute. You turn in for academic credit a document that you did not write, and you claim that you have done "nothing wrong." That's academic fraud.
For the last time, NAME THE SITE so that I can read its TOS, or please do not post about this matter any more.
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FrostatMidnight: We thought she was already doing it!!!
You have a problem? Any time you'd like to present evidence that I am wrong in ANY of my claims, you go right ahead.
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WritersBeware: LOL. Think about that statement, just for a minute. You turn in for academic credit a document that you did not write, and you claim that you have done "nothing wrong." That's academic fraud
At last something you and I agree on ...that's scary lol
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