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Jun 18, 09, 04:55PM
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cybermediaboy: Because the anonymous forum of EssayTown
This has been denied on multiple occassions and to date, I have not come across any evidence to suggest that ET owns ES. If it did, why doesn't it just delete the numerous negative threads about Essaytown?
cybermediaboy: EssayFraud.org is a place for kids
Yes, there are many of those here but there are also some very good and respectable grown-ups too - people who manage, more often than not, to stick to the issues raised ...
cybermediaboy: I have once answered to a single post here on emotions, and will never do that again I hope
Good decision ...
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Edited by: cybermediaboy Jun 18, 09, 04:58PM
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cybermediaboy: bigger picture
The bigger picture is none of my concern, first. I am only responsible for myself and my particular - PUBLIC and TAX PAYING - business.
Second - I don't see how you want to realistically influence this bigger picture by throwing the dirt out here. Even Mc Donald's sometimes fails to deliver a quality STANDARTIZED product - what do you expect from the human-factor based CUSTOM writing services?
How do you make a company with an excellent order management routines, that makes 1% mistakes on 6 000 000 USD yearly turnover from a total 100% fraud which does not even care to look honest and sells for 100 usd/day, by means of this forum only? They will both have the same number of complaints here, and the first can have a lot of suspicious stupid content posted on their web site, but since you don't know their sales and customer satisfaction stats - you are in the ass with your lame investigations.
The only thing you are left with is generalizations such as the one you have admitted to be yours. You do a windmill war here guys.
And in my imagination I see the ugly faces of EssayTown's managers who know that, and who laugh at you while you help them defame everyone else FOR FREE.
The guys who have designed this forum are evil - but smart. And they must thank God for the existence of constructively thinking and well-mannered competition, that their own business is still alive.
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Edited by: OxbridgeResearchers Jun 18, 09, 05:06PM
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cybermediaboy: laugh at you while you help them defame everyone else.
My primary concern is to prevent defamation against my company and to negate the popular myth about there being any link between me and the TORG gang.
cybermediaboy: you are in the ass with your lame investigations.
You can't keep a reign on yourself, can you? Well, I can't claim surprise. BTW - descent into insult is never a good sign ..cybermediaboy: And i see the ugly faces of EssayTown's managers who know that, and who laugh at you while you help them defame everyone else.
I hardly help defame any but certainly do post about those whom I know to be, through first-hand experience and a wealth of irrefutable evidence, scammers and fraudsters.
Further, if you know that this forum belongs to essaytown, please show us the evidence. WB, EW, dearbats and Humble - wouldn't you like to see the evidence which establishes ET's ownership of this forum?
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Edited by: cybermediaboy Jun 18, 09, 05:08PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: This has been denied on multiple occassions and to date, I have not come across any evidence to suggest that ET owns ES. If it did, why doesn't it just delete the numerous negative threads about Essaytown?
Trust me - i've seen a research 10 pages long proving this fact, with my own eyes. Some person has invested A LOT of effort to learn the truth.
They don't delete the threads because 90% of the forum's visitors just see the list of the "frauds", where their own site is NOT posted, before making (as they think) a buy/not buy decision in favor of one of their own web sites.
Another thing about the defamation that this site does which you don't obviously know, is that if you put "customwritings.com" into Google, the 2nd link you see - is a thread on EssayFraud - which i believe does a lot of damage to the business of mine.
But if you put "essaytown.com" there - no thread. So the amount of negative posts does not work against.
If you feel too englightened - donate me 1 pound, and we're set :)
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Jun 18, 09, 05:09PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: You can't keep a reign on yourself, can you? Well, I can't claim surprise. BTW - descent into insult is never a good sign ..
Sorry - once again I must stress that I don't adress you personally but a forum in general.
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Jun 18, 09, 05:11PM
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cybermediaboy: donate me 1 pound, and we're set :)
Seeing that you made millions, should you donate to me :) Or maybe you can head on off to essaybrunch.com and help them out with a quid or two - the website is asking for donations.
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Jun 18, 09, 05:12PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: I hardly help defame any but certainly do post about those whom I know to be, through first-hand experience and a wealth of irrefutable evidence, scammers and fraudsters.
If you don't help defame any but proven fraudsters - how come that you let the site management post my business among them?????
I take it otherwise.
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Jun 18, 09, 05:12PM
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cybermediaboy: Sorry - once again I must stress that I don't adress you personally but a forum in general.
Accepted :)
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Jun 18, 09, 05:14PM
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cybermediaboy: you let the site management post my business among them
I don't have any control over the threads here. If I did, I would have taken down the posts which tried to defame my company
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Edited by: cybermediaboy Jun 18, 09, 05:14PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: Seeing that you made millions, should you donate to me :) Or maybe you can head on off to essaybrunch.com and help them out with a quid or two - the website is asking for donations.
You know, for a completely fair business, millions in sales is sometimes less then 1 flat in Kiev for it's founder. MUCH less.
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Jun 18, 09, 05:20PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: Further, if you know that this forum belongs to essaytown, please show us the evidence. WB, EW, dearbats and Humble - wouldn't you like to see the evidence which establishes ET's ownership of this forum?
This goes beyond the scope of what I do here. The research I am speaking about is a courtesy of it's author - and her decision was to present it to me personally for my consideration.
I don't read posts here usually - maybe this evidence is even posted somewhere. Some day if I get too angry with EssayScam and have spare time to give way to my emotions, you might have it.
But I better concentrate on doing my business then hurting EssayTown. In any case, whether this forum is connected to THEM or to someone else - my view on it as a place for judging me or other competition presented here - whether fraudulent or not - does not change.
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Jun 18, 09, 05:21PM
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cybermediaboy: 1 flat in Kiev for it's founder.
You made two admissions here which I respect:
1) that your company is Ukrainian, albeit registered in the UK. Country of origin is only an issue when a company goes to lengths to hide it and when it insists on Americanising the names of the owners and its admin staff.
2) that you hire ESL writers as the greater majority do but choose to categorically deny it. Some ESL writers, in terms of linguistic skill and academic qualifications, are more than excellent. The determined effort of many to deny this practice is indicative of a persistent commitment to dishonesty.
These two admissions place you in a more positive light.
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Jun 18, 09, 05:26PM
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Sorry, OxbridgeResearchers, do you run a similar business? If so, drop me an email, and I will tell you something.
This talk here has no point. I've actually put some effort into designing a better subject for this discussion, which I might show you if you keep the secret.
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Edited by: cybermediaboy Jun 18, 09, 05:35PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: that your company is Ukrainian
Look, we can argue about whether my business is Ukrainian or not, but as any business out there nowadays, my business is very international. The fact that it's support staff is located in Kiev, does not make the COMPANY ukrainian, nor does the fact, that it's management system is based on books by Tom Peters or it uses PayPal to make it's customers payments easy and secure, make it American.
When you focus on whether the business is UKRAINIAN or not, you start seeming prejudiced against ukrainians (which is true most of the times, from what i've seen).
Therefore i would better switch this talk to another route - whether the business is PROFESSIONAL and socially/customer-wise/writer-wise responsible or not. But no data - no tools - no judgements. While this site IS essentially judgemental - as the people who post here.
If i were a customer or a writer, i would not care if a pakistani site says it's UK based, as long as they produce timely and quality work, follow their refund policies, and pay writers in full and on time.
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Edited by: cybermediaboy Jun 18, 09, 05:37PM
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Right now I am in London again, in the very heart of the City, so I am not sure - maybe this fact makes my company a little bit more British anyways? what do you think? :) Just making fun, sorry.
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Jun 18, 09, 05:41PM
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Again - I never argue against the ukrainianness of my business. I just find it's level of ukrainianness irrelevant to the fact that this stupid site calls us "frauds", scaring the writers and customers, who also like to stereotype, away.
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Edited by: cybermediaboy Jun 18, 09, 05:53PM
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I am not even sure that every good pakistani writing service, hiding behind american identity, does the good thing.
Because the customers trust a GOOD pakistani business, instead of trusting BAD american one, if there are any in the universe.
The message of ESSAYSCAM is "TRUST NO ONE". And it ruins the reputation of entire field. This is what people do here - ruin the reputation, customer trust, and raising up the suspiciousness - for all the industry (but, again, few sites with questionable service quality, not listed here at all).
~Great! :)
BTW.
An interested insight has just visited me:
If the true aim of this forum's founders is to make students study and research their subjects themselves - i will be the first to award ESSAYSCAM a medal.
But i doubt that.
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Jun 18, 09, 05:56PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: WB, EW, dearbats and Humble - wouldn't you like to see the evidence which establishes ET's ownership of this forum?
IMHO, it's not. If they let me have so much fun with the rare specimen of living fart who also happens to be ET's worthless hatchet worker, I doubt that the mods actually work for ET.
Hey cybermediaboy, I have a question if you don't mind. Are you saying that the actions here on this forum are affecting your business? If so, what particular posts (aside from those of siteowner's) are affecting you and in what way? Thanks.
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Edited by: cybermediaboy Jun 18, 09, 06:03PM
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By the way, in regards to americanizing names. First, this can be easily done with customer convenience in mind.
Second, 60% of the 15-25 aged people from Kiev I know, americanize their names in online communications.
Third, you don't know how many american and UK citizens work in Kiev. If I tell you that a pure British university professor evaluates our writers full-time, will you believe me?
You should visit Kiev some day and count road ads in English :))
I have this handle cybermediaboy since 18 i think.
My ICQ number is 102782. Guys do you really think there's snow everywhere, bears dancing, and vodka drinking people around in Eastern Europe?
Here's another service that we run:
www.diamondapartments.com.ua
Be our guests - discover the european Kiev for yourself. Maybe you eventually forget this **** about wild Ukraine. It's a myth.
I am not trying to imply anything, but my observation is that every 2-nd mini-shop cashier in London makes an attempt to defraud me.
I would never expect ANYTHING like this to happen in Kiev, trust me.
In these terms i'd put a big "UKRAINIAN BUSINESS" label on my site, if i were not aware of the established public opinion.
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Edited by: cybermediaboy Jun 18, 09, 06:05PM
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EW_writer: Are you saying that the actions here on this forum are affecting your business? If so, what particular posts (aside from those of siteowner's) are affecting you and in what way? Thanks.
What does affect my business, is the fact that googling for any of my site produces "FRAUD" on the second line of the search results. And I wonder, how many of your 920-something posts, EW_writer, contributed to this.
I don't read this spam and don't follow the threads here, as I have previously said.
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Jun 18, 09, 06:13PM
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Ok this is getting more and more pointless.
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Jun 18, 09, 08:31PM
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cybermediaboy: What does affect my business, is the fact that googling for any of my site produces "FRAUD" on the second line of the search results.
I see. What about any of the legal liability stuff that people here attach to Ukranian sites who allegedly Americanize their services in an attempt to fool consumers and provide inferior products? Are you afraid of any of that? Has any of it affected your business?
cybermediaboy: And I wonder, how many of your 920-something posts, EW_writer, contributed to this.
Me? Haha... >.< I'm a big supporter of off-shore companies. In fact, I'm planning to apply to your company after I finish with my current workload. :D
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Jun 18, 09, 10:19PM
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cybermediaboy: this EssayScam forum is a place for throwing trash in, for the benefit of it's "anonymous" owners, not for conducting business activities.
Very True... I think if this forum is geniune and really caters to the needs of writers and customers then owners of this forum shall set forth some rules. What i have read on this forum is basically cybermediaboy: throwing trash in |
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Jun 18, 09, 11:29PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: WB, EW, dearbats and Humble - wouldn't you like to see the evidence which establishes ET's ownership of this forum?
Certainly, yes! I for one, would love to see any kind of evidence which proves that ES is sponsored and run by ET. I do however know for a fact that ES has been legally restricted from displaying any kinds of comments about ET.
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Jun 19, 09, 12:42AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: Further, if you know that this forum belongs to essaytown, please show us the evidence. WB, EW, dearbats and Humble - wouldn't you like to see the evidence which establishes ET's ownership of this forum?
I would absolutely LOVE to see his evidence. Rest assured, however, he has NONE.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 19, 09, 12:49AM
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For anyone who wants to read actual evidence, check the following thread:
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9_769_0.html
One more:
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/12_598_0.html#msg10938
Shouldn't it be easier to legitimately refute the verifiable evidence of fraud rather than to post customary vulgarities and false accusations against both competitors and this forum?
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Jun 19, 09, 01:13AM
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WritersBeware: Shouldn't it be easier to legitimately refute the verifiable evidence of fraud rather than to post customary vulgarities and false accusations against both competitors and this forum?
When one reads the disclaimer statement on this site, it clearly mentions that the evidence and views presented on this forum have not been verified from third party therefore the legitimacy of evidence produced here is questionable. Further, W_B you shall also follow your own advice because you are one of those individuals who have probably accused everyone here.. Your information presented here may be correct and in the best interest of many of us here however, most of the times, it is based on accusations against competition.. I am not aware of your association with any service ( perhaps you do not work for anyone?) but you shall produce hardcore evidence on this forum. Whole world knows that anyone can place any information on internet therefore to verify the correctness of information is really difficult. However, I still give you benefit of doubt and believe that whatever information you present here is presented with the best of intentions and not as an attempt to use this forum for falsely accusing your competitors.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 19, 09, 02:21AM
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Researcher, the solution is quite simple: I directly challenge you or anyone else to prove incorrect or false ANY piece of evidence that I have EVER posted.
I have stated this before and I state it again: do NOT trust me at face value (regardless of the fact that I have earned such trust by NEVER posting accusations unsupported by evidence). ALWAYS click on the links that I provide and verify the technical data using third-party tools.
Again, Researcher, I have always challenged my attackers to prove that any of the evidence that I have posted is false. They can't. Why? Evidence is evidence. Truth is truth. Fact is fact.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 19, 09, 02:46AM
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Researcher: it is based on accusations against competition
100% lie
Researcher: I am not aware of your association with any service
Then why did you post the preceding lie?
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Jun 19, 09, 03:11AM
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WritersBeware: They can't. Why? Evidence is evidence. Truth is truth. Fact is fact.
Agreed.. but my question is whether the links posted by you can be trusted? Whether the information provided on the websites you mention can be verified? I don't think anyone in the world can claim with certainty that information presented on the internet is 100% correct.
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Jun 19, 09, 03:14AM
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and whatever you post here is 100% truth? is that what you want to prove?
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Edited by: chacha421 Jun 19, 09, 03:19AM
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Researcher: Your information presented here may be correct and in the best interest of many of us here however, most of the times, it is based on accusations against competition.
Here is the proof that you accuse and threat your competition
"If you EVER want to make a sale though your starving site, I suggest that you leave. If you don't, you can rest assured that the reputation of your anemic site will deservedly get worse and worse.[/b]"
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9/good-trust-worthy-company-1099/2/
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Jun 19, 09, 03:45AM
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chacha421: threat your competition
Chacha, pls understand that there is hardly a company in this industry which would consider essaybrunch competition. Similarly, you would have to search high and low to find a writer who believes that your writing skills are comparable to theirs. No, neither your site nor your "skills" as a writer are competition.
Where is the threat? I see! It is in your imagination ...
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Jun 19, 09, 03:52AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: Where is the threat?
Read the quoted comments of great W_B. and if that is not a threat, i think you should seriously consider the option of seeing a doctor. I don't know how your employers ( if someone has ever taken the risk of employing you) knew about your mental state before hiring you to accuse their competition.
I am in no way associated with essaybrunch. perhaps it is in your imagination.
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Jun 19, 09, 04:14AM
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chacha421: Read the quoted comments of great W_B. and if that is not a threat, i think you should seriously consider the option of seeing a doctor.
Actually - she was giving you some very good advise ... if you really want to build essaybrunch's reputation, you should stop posting. As the frontman/owner (no one believes your denials), your posts reflect upon essaybrunch. Considering the nature of your posts, they really achieve nothing but the continued ruination of whatever reputation essaybrunch ever had. By telling you to leave and stop posting, she was giving you good advise and, in essence, was asking you to stop drowning yourself. Actually - I am rather angry with WB over that. Had you taken her advise, I would have been deprived of the pleasure of reading your posts and laughing myself silly.
chacha421: accuse their competition
You are not and never will be competition.
chacha421: I am in no way associated with essaybrunch
Do we really have to revisit this issue? Your intimate association with that greasy burger joint is as clear as daylight to all; your association was confirmed through your own posts. Don't embaress yourself by lying 24/7 ...
chacha421: your mental state
Now that we have established that I am insane, shouldn't you be running away in abject terror? The fact that you are not is indicative of your own insanity ...
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Jun 19, 09, 05:14AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: she was giving you some very good advise
Poor effort to please your masters...
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 19, 09, 08:24PM
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chacha421: I am in no way associated with essaybrunch.
After openly admitting earlier, on separate occasions, that he/she is both the owner/developer of and writer for EssayBrunch, this character really does deserve to be banned. Bottom line—when you're getting blasted for lying and content stealing by both WritersBeware and EW_writer, you needs ta go!
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Jun 22, 09, 10:09AM
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to CYBERMEDIABOY, why do you even bother???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? You have nothisng else to do??
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Jun 22, 09, 10:39AM
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WriterJohn: to CYBERMEDIABOY, why do you even bother????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
After chatting with cybermediaboy (PM) I found out the he is:
1) quite right to be impatient
2) is tremendously forthright
I know that I am going to be blasted for saying this but, I like the guy ...
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Jun 22, 09, 11:50AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: I know that I am going to be blasted for saying this but, I like the guy ...
He is actually right on most things!
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