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None of that is a defense of Stu4. I took no position on Stu4's professional or criminal background.
Stu4's criminal background also does not negate the veracity of his claim, which was that FW was advertising himself via the forum (again) and that you (WB) were not calling him out on it. You then admitted to not correcting FW in this thread and only did so when I pressed. You clearly understood that FW is once again breaking forum rules. You also know he's been banned for it in the past. Why do you refrain from correcting FW when you've made it amply clear you'll criticize others, multiple times?
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Lavinia: You then admitted to not correcting FW in this thread and only did so when I pressed.
You're trying to throw gas on the fire, and I'm not biting. Sorry.
For the record, I did not "admit" to anything. I posted with the silly expectation that you would stop harassing and attacking me (which you actually PROMISED) and we would maintain civil discourse, not because you "pressed" me. You're making it seem as though I read all of FW's posts, agreed with both his message and his tactics, and made a conscious decision to NOT post in the thread based on some sort of bias. That's utter nonsense.
Lavinia: Why do you refrain from correcting FW when you've made it amply clear you'll criticize others, multiple times?
I will not go back and forth with you. Enough. As you stated, you disappeared for months. If you had been here regularly, you would have noticed my lack of response to many of the incessant violations that plague this forum on a near-daily basis. I will not justify my LACK of posting in this thread in relation to policing FW. Are you also going to attack me if I don't conduct an investigation and publish the results about a new site that you know to be fraudulent? What else are you going to attack me for NOT doing?
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See WB, it's really not about you. And please note: I had no intent to discuss this with you further until you directly addressed me.
But I'm happy to end the exchange, if that is what you want. I'll choose to look at the bright side of our discussion.
You and I agree that FreelanceWriter is, once again, breaking the rules of the forum. That's good enough for me.
Here's to hoping he gets banned, again.
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WritersBeware: I could have asked why you have decided to defend stu4, a proven criminal and fraudster from Ukraine.
Err, do you think I"m writing from jail? You purposely ASSUMED a completely false fact and keep repeating this lie over and over again. It doesn't mean the lie will become the truth, even Al Gore got busted on that.
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stu4: Err, do you think I"m writing from jail? You purposely ASSUMED a completely false fact and keep repeating this lie over and over again. It doesn't mean the lie will become the truth, even Al Gore got busted on that.
I know who you are, crook. I know which Ukrainian sites are in your GoDaddy account. Your sole purpose in this forum is to attack me for posting the truth about those Ukrainian sites that are so very dear to your black heart. You are a crook, liar, con-artist, and law-breaker.
By the way, I'm no fan of Al Gore, but please don't have the audacity to compare yourself to him. He may have been lying about global warming, but at least—at the core—his intentions were good. You, on the other hand, are human garbage that is willing to do or say ANYTHING in order to trick trusting customers into ordering from your third-rate, ESL, ripoff sites.
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Lavinia: FW: Ah, so you posted your writing areas as a response to lies about a reputable company? Oh, that explains everything.
I posted my areas of writing in response to the inquiries about my taking a paper that was already placed on a site for whom I provide writing. I don't want my good reputation with students on this site to make extra work for the administrators of the commercial sites who use me by having to amend orders on the board that request me totally outside of my areas. My point about your defaming a reputable company was strictly in relation to your use of the word "classy."
You have a very warped sense of morals being so concerned about what you believe is a violation of the rules of an Internet forum while you use the same forum to post outright lies defaming an honest company falsely because you can't compete with them honestly. If my post was a violation of forum rules even in its context, I apologize to the forum. Meanwhile, your misuse of the forum is something that undermines the value of the forum much more than mine and your misuse is actually addressed by areas of civil law that I hope the victims make use of to the fullest. In any case, it's a little warped on your part to be more concerned about forum rules than about the rules of civil law.
Lavinia: Funny that you resort to petty insults b/c you know you have no argument. No response to WB agreeing that you broke the rules, again, huh? Pity that ban didn't teach you anything.
As for insults, referring to you and stupid4 as a$$holes is hardly an "insult"; it's strictly an objective observation.
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FreelanceWriter: You have a very warped sense of morals being so concerned about what you believe is a violation of the rules of an Internet forum while you use the same forum to post outright lies defaming an honest company falsely because you can't compete with them honestly.
This is a lie. What honest company have I defamed? Prove this or shut up. Over 500 posts by me to go through on this forum and you won't find a single one involving an outright lie against an honest company. My comment about being "classy" wasn't directed at the company you work for but at your willingness to quickly descend into vulgarity when you're confronted for your behavior. Again, your lousy reading comprehension skills get the better of you.
FreelanceWriter: Meanwhile, your misuse of the forum is something that undermines the value of the forum much more than mine and your misuse is actually addressed by areas of civil law that I hope the victims make use of to the fullest. In any case, it's a little warped on your part to be more concerned about forum rules than about the rules of civil law.
More lies by you. What civil law am I breaking? Who am I defaming? You accused me of being a foreign crook the last time I called you out for advertising on this forum, you're the only one who's engaged in defamation. I'm starting to really wonder if you really have a law degree now lol.
I'm an American writer and I work for only legit companies. Anyone who's read my posts knows that. We may even work for some of the same companies.
I'm also a writer who has managed to be a member of the forum for a lot longer without getting banned b/c I don't break the rules. The difference between you and me is that I honor the rules of this forum while you use it to whore your services. You make the rest of the writers who visit this forum look bad and you make the companies that you work for, particularly ET, look bad.
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Lavinia & FW:
Can we all put aside petty differences and focus on what really matters? Fraudsters like stu4 read our in-fighting and take a deep sigh of relief. You know why? They know that if we were to unite and direct all of our combined energy on a focused, sustained campaign to expose their consumer fraud, they couldn't possibly hide. Exposing fraud benefits everyone—customers, writers, and law-abiding companies. How about it?
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WritersBeware: Can we all put aside petty differences and focus on what really matters? Fraudsters like stu4 read our in-fighting and take a deep sigh of relief. You know why? They know that if we were to unite and direct all of our combined energy on a focused, sustained campaign to expose their consumer fraud, they couldn't possibly hide. Exposing fraud benefits everyone—customers, writers, and law-abiding companies. How about it?
No problem. I didn't start out commenting about or insulting anybody; I responded to a customer and was attacked by someone who's upset that I included my writing areas in that response to a customer. You agreed that it was a forum rules violation. I apologized already and have no beef with anybody about it at all.
Lavinia: More lies by you. What civil law am I breaking? Who am I defaming? You accused me of being a foreign crook the last time I called you out for advertising on this forum, you're the only one who's engaged in defamation. I'm starting to really wonder if you really have a law degree now lol.
I may be guilty of not bothering to doublecheck to see who said what. I thought it was you who said something about ET being a rip-off site and that's what I was responding to. But you're guilty of the exact same thing: I'm sure I never called you a "foreign crook" because I have zero info or knowledge about any websites (whether positive or negative) other than the ones who use my writing and I've never said anything negative about any essay site in anything I've ever written on this forum. Unless you're one of the people who is an ESL writer arguing that American customers have no right to know that you're ESL, I would never have authored a single post about anybody being "foreign" or a "crook." You're probably confusing WB's posts with mine.
On the topic of my law degree, I don't care what you think but nobody needs a formal degree of any kind to know that you can't "defame" an anonymous Internet forum screen name but you can definitely defame a business or website by name.
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ok, so i have an unexpected medical situation monopolizing my time and need assistance meeting a deadline and am quite leery of getting the wrong help, from the wrong company - how to filter the good from the bad and get legitimate and neccessary assistance? especially with a portion of my paper needing basic spss data performed/included?
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1. Off-topic;
2. Recommendations are not allowed;
3. Watchmen was just "OK." I could have done without the blue dong for half of the damn movie.
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FreelanceWriter: I may be guilty of not bothering to doublecheck to see who said what.
That's woefully apparent.
FreelanceWriter: But you're guilty of the exact same thing: I'm sure I never called you a "foreign crook" because I have zero info or knowledge about any websites (whether positive or negative) other than the ones who use my writing and I've never said anything negative about any essay site in anything I've ever written on this forum. Unless you're one of the people who is an ESL writer arguing that American customers have no right to know that you're ESL, I would never have authored a single post about anybody being "foreign" or a "crook." You're probably confusing WB's posts with mine.
Nope, again, either a lie by you or an example of a very faulty memory. Which is it?
I'm not "guilty of the exact same thing." Unlike you, I make sure I know what I'm talking about before I post. I'll gladly refresh your memory however. This thread:
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9/legitimate-writing-sites-347/#msg13257.
This comment:
FreelanceWriter: Anybody here happen to know if the C-word is allowed when it's totally appropriate and accurate? Just curious. As WB explained, what a person who's own writing ability is such that he needs to pay for writing services "feels" about a professional writer's abilities is one thing; it's not a "rip-off" let alone a blatant one, especially in an environment where there are companies like yours who lie about where they're located, who their writers are, or may never even provide ANY essay after charging and arm and a leg for them.
Called me the C-word and then accused me of working for a foreign company that lies about its location, lies about its writers' quals and cheats customers. All you, all false and without a shred of evidence.
In fact, your accusation was so off base that not only did I deny it, but WB also corrected you:
WritersBeware: I don't think that she works for any of the foreign frauds.
Now, you didn't bother to answer after being corrected by both of us but apparently that didn't get through your thick skull b/c now you're back to the same accusation a few months later.
My approach to this forum is pretty simple. If you don't A) use it to advertise your services or B) make dishonest statements, you won't have a problem with me. Unfortunately, you seem to make a habit of doing both.
You should really just stop posting now. I'll believe your "apology" is sincere when you edit your post removing the information about your subject areas. Until you do, it's clear you're just leaving it up to continue to promote yourself.
WB - I appreciate your sentiment and planned to stop until FW's latest post. Since FW's now established a pattern of lying about who I work for, figured here is as good a place as any to keep track of the accusations, for when he does it again in a couple of months.
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Lavinia: My approach to this forum is pretty simple. If you don't A) use it to advertise your services or B) make dishonest statements, you won't have a problem with me. Unfortunately, you seem to make a habit of doing both.
Lavinia: WB - I appreciate your sentiment and planned to stop until FW's latest post. Since FW's now established a pattern of lying about who I work for, figured here is as good a place as any to keep track of the accusations, for when he does it again in a couple of months.
Lavinia: Called me the C-word and then accused me of working for a foreign company that lies about its location, lies about its writers' quals and cheats customers. All you, all false and without a shred of evidence. Now, you didn't bother to answer after being corrected by both of us but apparently that didn't get through your thick skull b/c now you're back to the same accusation a few months later.
I guess I just don't care enough about these conversation to do extensive research for them. I'm also guessing I was just referring back to whatever I thought WB had posted about where your company is located in that thread. But where have I said anything about your website "months later"? I have zero knowledge about any websites other that the ones that use me and I've never claimed to. I don't even have any idea which site is yours and couldn't care less. If I misunderstood which website WB was referring to in that old thread and I imputed it to yours, I apologize sincerely. But as far as "evidence" goes, I believe I'm completely covered on the c-word thing by a legal doctrine called res ipsa loquitor.
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1.) sort of - it would be nice to make sure any order i make is selected by an actual writer ;)
2.) on that aspect, agreed ;)
3.) understood, which is why i'm looking for help/direction with filtering approach, not a recommendation ;)
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FreelanceWriter: Believe it or not, I'm not worried about what you think and I don't consider your opinion of me a "problem" regardless of how bad it is.
I actually don't believe you. If you didn't care, you wouldn't take the time to make up lies.
FreelanceWriter: I've never "lied" about anything on this forum,
So your claim that I work for fraudulent websites that lie to and cheat their customers was what? A fiction? A hypothetical?
Face it, you've lied about me twice now and you're busted. Once could have been a mistake, but repeating the lie again after being corrected by two people? Nah...
FreelanceWriter: I guess I just don't care enough about these conversation to do extensive research for them.
B/c lying is so much easier.
FreelanceWriter: But where have I said anything about your website "months later"?
You lied about who I worked for in April and you did it again in December. In both cases, you suggest I work for frauds that can't compete with your employers, even though you know nothing about my employment situation. Hence, "months later." Are you caught up in the conversation yet?
FreelanceWriter: I have zero knowledge about any websites other that the ones that use me and I've never claimed to.
And yet, that doesn't stop you from typing...
In December:
FreelanceWriter: You have a very warped sense of morals being so concerned about what you believe is a violation of the rules of an Internet forum while you use the same forum to post outright lies defaming an honest company falsely because you can't compete with them honestly
In April:
FreelanceWriter: As WB explained, what a person who's own writing ability is such that he needs to pay for writing services "feels" about a professional writer's abilities is one thing; it's not a "rip-off" let alone a blatant one, especially in an environment where there are companies like yours who lie about where they're located, who their writers are, or may never even provide ANY essay after charging and arm and a leg for them.
FreelanceWriter: I don't even have any idea which site is yours and couldn't care less.
Stop posting like you do.
FreelanceWriter: If I misunderstood which website WB was referring to in that old thread and I imputed it to yours, I apologize sincerely. But as far as "evidence" goes, I believe I'm completely covered on the c-word thing by a legal doctrine called res ipsa loquitor.
Your apologies are worth nothing. You "apologize" about advertising yourself but don't remove the post. Then, you "apologize" about lying about me (again) but keep using vulglar language (justified by a blatant misuse of a legal concept lol... so this is why you write instead of practice, huh?). Everything you write suggests that you'll just repeat the lie in a couple of months and then claim your ignorance as a defense.
String together some more Latin in your next post to try to sound sm3rter.
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Dec 4, 09, 12:38PM
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Lavinia: (justified by a blatant misuse of a legal concept lol... so this is why you write instead of practice, huh?)
I had to look it up (not a lawyer and don't speak much Latin), but both the actual translation and the common usage of the term were humorously and aptly applicable in context, though one might disagree with its veracity.
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Maybe at a superficial level Pheelyks. Res ispa only works if the plaintiff didn't contribute to the behavior. FW's lies and advertising would negate that application. Prima facia would have been funnier.
But then the real humor is FW bringing up an evidentiary standard at all. Though maybe that is more irony rather than humor.
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Actually, the translation of res ipsa locutor as "the thing speaks for itself" is much funnier given the word in question. And as far as the plaintiff (FW, I assume) contributing to the behavior, that would be a devilish little bit of hand puppetry.
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Dec 4, 09, 02:20PM
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Lavinia: I'll believe [FreelanceWriter's] "apology" is sincere when [he edits his] post removing the information about [his] subject areas.
Only the mod can do that.
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Dec 4, 09, 03:10PM
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WritersBeware: Only the mod can do that.
And that's convenient, isn't it? So FW gets to wash himself of wrongdoing with an insincere apology while his advertising stays up.
If FW were actually sincere, he could easily contact the mod to request it be changed.
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Dec 4, 09, 04:02PM
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"Only the mod can do that" is an introduction.
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pheelyks: Actually, the translation of res ipsa locutor as "the thing speaks for itself" is much funnier given the word in question. And as far as the plaintiff (FW, I assume) contributing to the behavior, that would be a devilish little bit of hand puppetry.
I'd rather put my hand in a wood chipper.
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FreelanceWriter: I'd rather put my hand in a wood chipper.
Fewer teeth?
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I am very interested in speaking more with you on the topic of academic writing. I work for one great company and am looking for a few others who are reputable, but cannot send you a pm due to the fact I am a new member. Could you send "me" a message through the pm feature, please, and I will provide my email address to you:)
Thanks
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Dec 27, 09, 08:47PM
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Plss: cannot send you a pm due to the fact I am a new member
Why do you think that is, piss? It's to discourage commercial spammers and self-promoting.
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Actually, it isn't "piss", but rather plss. I am not self-promoting nor spamming; I have been watching these forums and have seen negatives of many sorts from several companies. Apparently freelancewriter knows of some which are reputable and good. That is all I was asking and I was not being rude, nor sarcastic. Thanks.
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Actually, WB knows a lot more than I do about it. My experience is strictly limited to the companies that use me; I've never had a bad experience with a writing company and I don't know anything about any other companies (good or bad) except whatever I've read on these forums. I've listed the half-dozen or so companies with which I'm familiar in several previous posts that are easily searchable.
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Thank you very much for the information. I actually applied with essaytown due to the fact you and WB have said so many things about it. We will see what happens. Again, I appreciate it.
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what about essaywriters.net? Is there more fraud to it?
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Freelancewriter and WritersBeware, thanks for your forum posts.
They've been very helpful.
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Yes I agree, both of you have been very helpful.
Freelance do you mind sending me your email so I could contact you for obvious reasons :p
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Feb 2, 10, 07:23PM
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notmartha: Freelance do you mind sending me your email so I could contact you for obvious reasons
I'm assuming that's the obvious reason you have in mind. Thank you for asking.
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Feb 3, 10, 01:00AM
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FreelanceWriter: you can find me very easily on AOL.
Freelancewriter - I looked you up on elance and your resume is impressive. Am sure that you have no shortage of cl***s. You are one of the handful of posters I like. But ... you are better than that and should not be violating forum policies. Plus, countless will use these posts against you and E***.
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WRT: Freelancewriter - I looked you up on elance and your resume is impressive. Am sure that you have no shortage of cl***s. You are one of the handful of posters I like. But ... you are better than that and should not be violating forum policies. Plus, countless will use these posts against you and E***.
Thanks and point taken. On the other hand, I no longer have outgoing PM privileges here and someone who expresses an unsolicited interest in contacting me doesn't have any way of knowing that. If I still had PM privileges, I could have just responded privately via PM that I can be reached through my email address. I'm assuming forum members are allowed to exchange email addresses through PMs here if one forum member happens to ask another forum member for an email address, right?
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FreelanceWriter: I'm assuming forum members are allowed to exchange email addresses through PMs here if one forum member happens to ask another forum member for an email address, right?
I'm not at all sure but I believe that if you are asked, why not?
FreelanceWriter: someone who expresses an unsolicited interest in contacting me doesn't have any way of knowing that.
I see your point but just take a look at this thread alone. People just pounce. As you yourself wrote the other day, a certain `calibre' of `writers' (I use that term loosely) are intent on bringing the real writers down. Anything becomes an excuse for illogical/senseless attacks. As you are one of the good ones out there, don't give any an excuse.
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Feb 3, 10, 07:33PM
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Ok, this thread was informative and entertaining....
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Freelancer writer,
I have some business I would like to discuss with you.
Can you please email me at @hotmail.com?
Thanks!
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Bravo to the mod (if, indeed, the mod edited it)!
This is a PUBLIC forum.
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what's wrong with him emailing me?
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