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Jun 9, 09, 06:12PM
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1. Do not post your business address at all - in your FAQs section (in small font if possible) write that "your corporate address is available upon request." 99.5% of students won't even bother to ask you about that. If they do, provide them with your correct address, or course. But do list your American or Canadian virtual addresses because that's where most of your correspondence may rightfully come to.
2. If you hire at least two American or British writers, feel free to use this wording: "Our American writers..." or "Our British writers...". etc.
3. If you hire at least two writers with Phd degrees, feel free to use this wording: "Our writers possess PHD degrees..."
That way your business will be perfectly legal around the world and WB will have to take up a real job again.
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Jun 9, 09, 07:24PM
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I'd like to thank our Ukrainian fraudster, stupid4life, for publicly admitting the fraudulent tactics that he employs on his ripoff sites.
Genius.
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WritersBeware: I'd like to thank our Ukrainian fraudster, stupid4life, for publicly admitting the fraudulent tactics that he employs on his ripoff sites. Genius.
Please point out what is fraudulent or illegal about my statements.
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Jun 9, 09, 07:33PM
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stu4: That way your business will be perfectly legal around the world and WB will have to take up a real job again.
Hey... don't diss her.. being a hatchet worker is hard work and she's been at it for 3 years without any results. Give the girl a break. XD
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 07:33PM
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The statements you advocate using and the reasons behind them are blatantly fraudulent. They might not be absolute lies, but they are deliberately misleading, which makes them fraudulent by definition:
1 a: deceit, trickery ; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor ; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be
Source: Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud
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Jun 9, 09, 07:39PM
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pheelyks: The statements you advocate using and the reasons behind them are blatantly fraudulent.
Go and watch a commercial and you'll realize 95% of the statements are "blatantly fraudulent". But my statements are not fraudulent. Which one is fraudulent?
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 9, 09, 07:40PM
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EW_writer: being a hatchet worker
The fact that you are now framing your defamatory attacks around a BLATANT LIE is amusing. Thank you for further solidifying the obvious—you have NO evidence of ANY kind to support your false accusations and you can't legitimately beat me in ANY argument, so you resort to false accusations of your fellow fraudsters.
Thanks for coming . . . .
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Jun 9, 09, 07:41PM
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pheelyks: The statements you advocate using and the reasons behind them are blatantly fraudulent. They might not be absolute lies, but they are deliberately misleading, which makes them fraudulent by definition: 1 a: deceit, trickery ; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick 2 a: a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor ; also : one who defrauds : cheat b: one that is not what it seems or is represented to be Source: Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud
As Peter Griffin would say, "Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa—way too much logic."
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 07:47PM
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stu4: 2. If you hire at least two American or British writers, feel free to use this wording: "Our American writers..." or "Our British writers...". etc. 3. If you hire at least two writers with Phd degrees, feel free to use this wording: "Our writers possess PHD degrees..."
Both of these statements imply that regardless of the number of writers working for a company, only two are necessary to make the claims of British/American writers with Ph.D.'s, which is intended to make customers believe that ALL of the company's writers fit this criteria. This falls under the definition of an "intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value" and is also "an act of deceiving or misrepresenting." The company would also be "one who defrauds" and "one that is not what it seems or is represented to be."
stu4: Go and watch a commercial and you'll realize 95% of the statements are "blatantly fraudulent".
A. Yes, commercials often make exaggerated claims, and savvy consumers can get refunds from legitimate companies that make promises and don't deliver. This is often not the case from foreign companies of any sort.
B. Listing imaginary statistics is not an effective way to argue. I would agree that "a lot" or even "the majority" of commercials are exaggerated, but I'll need to see your source before I believe that exactly "95%" of commercials are fraudulent
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 9, 09, 07:48PM
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EW_writer: 3 years without any results
Don't you worry, tiny man—the evidence is building, and I'm sure that the powers that be will not legally strike until the time is right and every last bit of conceivable evidence has been collected.
Following is just a small sample of the ever-building evidence against Universal Research:
http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i28/28a00102.htm
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=essaywriters.net+scam+O R+fraud&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/403368/voir_dire.html
http://voirdireveritas.blogspot.com
(Author, if you're reading this post, it would be nice if you could create an "archive" that contains links to only the titles of each of your blog posts. Please make the anchor text of each link the title of the corresponding post. Thanks.)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22writers.ph%22+scam+OR+frau d&btnG=Search
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| stu4 |
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Jun 9, 09, 07:55PM
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pheelyks: Both of these statements imply that regardless of the number of writers working for a company, only two are necessary to make the claims of British/American writers with Ph.D.'s, which is intended to make customers believe that ALL of the company's writers fit this criteria. This falls under the definition of an "intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value" and is also "an act of deceiving or misrepresenting." The company would also be "one who defrauds" and "one that is not what it seems or is represented to be."
What? If I hire at least two PhD writers and I write: "Our writers possess Phd degrees." or "We have PhD writers in our team" - then it is illegal? You must be kidding. How many PhD writers should I have to be allowed to use this sentence, 100, 1000, or more?
And I never wrote "ALL our writers..."
Ps. How about not displaying the corporate address and make the customer inquiry about that, is it legal in the US or not?
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stu4: Ps. How about not displaying the corporate address and make the customer inquiry about that, is it legal in the US or not?
How about you admit which sites are yours, and then pheelyks and I can independently visit those sites and elucidate exactly how those sites are perpetrating criminal activities and ripping off consumers?
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Jun 9, 09, 08:05PM
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WritersBeware: Don't you worry, tiny man—the evidence is building, and I'm sure that the powers that be will not legally strike until the time is right and every last bit of conceivable evidence has been collected.
OH please... it's been building for three years and will continue to build for the next 20. :p I won't stop my count and it will continue to be a daily reminder of your ineptitude. :)
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 08:07PM
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stu4: What? If I hire at least two PhD writers and I write: "Our writers possess Phd degrees." or "We have PhD writers in our team" - then it is illegal?
I never said anything about legality. I gave you the definition of fraud, and showed how your statements matched it. Perhaps not all fraud is technically illegal; that's what the judges in this country are for. It would certainly be reasonable to bring suit against a company that made these claims under the circumstances you described.
stu4: We have PhD writers in our team
This is a very different statement than the first one.
stu4: "Our writers possess Phd degrees."...How many PhD writers should I have to be allowed to use this sentence, 100, 1000, or more?
Because this statement implies that all of your writers have PhD.s, then all of them would have to have PhD.s to make the statement not deceptive (i.e. fraudulent).
stu4: You must be kidding.
I'm funnier when I'm kidding.
stu4: And I never wrote "ALL our writers..."
I never said you did.
stu4: How about not displaying the corporate address and make the customer inquiry about that, is it legal in the US or not?
I have no idea, but as long as you don't provide a false or misleading address then it wouldn't be fraudulent.
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EW_writer: OH please... it's been building for three years and will continue to build for the next 20. :p I won't stop my count and it will continue to be a daily reminder of your ineptitude. :)
Your childish posts are asinine. When are you going to get it through your thick skull that you are nothing more than UNchallenging entertainment for me? Seriously—I get a better debating opponent in my 8-year-old niece. NOBODY respects or believes you, except your fraudulent comrades. You know that, right? Whatever lies and defamation that you type, I'll be here to put you down like a scurvy dog.
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| stu4 |
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Jun 10, 09, 07:12PM
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WritersBeware: How about you admit which sites are yours, and then pheelyks and I can independently visit those sites and elucidate exactly how those sites are perpetrating criminal activities and ripping off consumers?
I'm actually in the process of creating a research and model writing service for students. Still working on the "Contact Us" page.... And I've been wondering if to put my business address there or to hide it as some of the "American" websites do. For example, I've been browsing a "reputable" EssayTown and I noticed they deliberitely hide their business address. It makes me think they could not be based in the US at all.
Anyway, WritersBeware, - would you suggest that I include my true (offshore) address on my website or I should rather try to trick the reader and demand that he or she request it first and only then I would give it to them?
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 10, 09, 07:17PM
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stu4: I've been browsing a "reputable" EssayTown and I noticed they deliberitely hide their business address. It makes me think they could not be based in the US at all.
As a writer for the company mentioned, I can attest to the fact that they pay taxes to the US government, which wouldn't be very bright if they could operate somewhere else and avoid the expense.
stu4: would you suggest that I include my true (offshore) address on my website or I should rather try to trick the reader and demand that he or she request it first and only then I would give it to them?
It's surprising to me that you would post this somewhere that potential customers might see it. Trying to "trick the reader" in any way is dishonest and therefore bad business. Your whole mindset is off.
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Jun 10, 09, 07:24PM
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pheelyks: As a writer for the company mentioned, I can attest to the fact that they pay taxes to the US government, which wouldn't be very bright if they could operate somewhere else and avoid the expense.
Now there are the three of you on this forum: FreelanceWriter, you, and your boss, WritersBeware. Nice to meet you :)
Anyway, does it mean that potential clients have no right to know with whom they are dealing with? What is the reason they hide their address from the public eye (and still complain that their competition lists only virtual addresses?).
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Jun 10, 09, 07:36PM
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stu4: Now there are the three of you on this forum: FreelanceWriter, you, and your boss, WritersBeware. Nice to meet you :)
I have no boss, I'm a freelance writer. I get no money for posting here, but work is slow right now, and I figure anyone I can dissuade from using a fraudulent foreign company gives me a chance at more work. And before you jump on this, yes, I'm admitting an economic motivation for engaging in posting. That doesn't make what I'm saying any less true; I have only used logic to debate points on this forum.
stu4: does it mean that potential clients have no right to know with whom they are dealing with?
I don't mean to start this with you, too, but you really shouldn't be writing papers in English.
That being said, if a legitimate corporate address is made available to the public, whether by request or directly on a website, nothing is dishonest. Most of the websites I purchase things from do not have an address listed on their home pages.
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Jun 10, 09, 07:39PM
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pheelyks: Most of the websites I purchase things from do not have an address listed on their home pages.
But they do have them listed on "About us" or "Contact us" or "Frequently asked questions" pages. Otherwise you would not purchase from them, would you?
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stu4: Now there are the three of you on this forum: FreelanceWriter, you, and your boss, WritersBeware. Nice to meet you :)
LMAO!
stu4: with whom they are dealing with
Wow.
pheelyks: As a writer for the company mentioned, I can attest to the fact that they pay taxes to the US government
This is more proof, of course, that ET and other legitimate, American companies are actually located in the US and abide by all aspects of the law, unlike stupid4 and his fraudster pals from Ukraine.
As long as the owners of a company are actually native-born Americans, actually hire only native English-speaking writers, are actually located in the US, pay Federal & State income tax, and abide by all American laws, it is perfectly acceptable for that company to maintain ANY type of "American" office. There is absolutely no deception and no negative impact on the products that consumers receive. Stupid4 and his scamming cohorts in Ukraine, on the other hand, buy virtual offices for the sole purpose of DECEIVING and DEFRAUDING American consumers and then delivering ESL garbage with no regard for honoring consumer protection laws and regulations.
Take a hike.
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Jun 10, 09, 08:01PM
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WritersBeware: This is more proof
Good! Now I finally know what you mean by "show me the proof" -> I can have as many proofs as you want, let me ask my buddies to sign up here and confirm what I want them to confirm. LOL
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stu4: But they do have them listed on "About us" or "Contact us" or "Frequently asked questions" pages. Otherwise you would not purchase from them, would you?
I don't know that I've ever checked, to be honest. I've always used the phone or email to contact online businesses.
Your question is phrased in both the positive and the negative. This would not be acceptable in an academic essay.
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stu4: Good! Now I finally know what you mean by "show me the proof"
SNR is a REGISTERED company in the State of New Jersey. This FACT is reflected in both New Jersey State incorporation records AND in publicly-accessible legal documents. The SNR owner and SNR's attorney physically appeared in New Jersey Federal Court, as well.
You lose. Go home to Kiev and study for your remedial English exam so that you can more convincingly rip-off American consumers in the future.
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Jun 10, 09, 08:08PM
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WritersBeware: As long as the owners of a company are actually native-born Americans
LOL! Then according to your "reasoning" Google is a fradulent company because their owner and founder, Sergey Brin, was born in Moscow, Russia? Or you mean the owners should be Indians, you know, the Sioux ancestors.
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| pheelyks |
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stu4: Good! Now I finally know what you mean by "show me the proof" -> I can have as many proofs as you want, let me ask my buddies to sign up here and confirm what I want them to confirm. LOL
Obviously, there's no way for anyone on this forum to prove their identity or certain claims. I can swear up and down that I have no idea who Writers Beware is, and have no connection to them whatsoever except for what is plainly viewable on this forum (we've never even pm'd), but there's no way I can make you believe it. There' no point in arguing over this.
The real issue comes down to the logic of your arguments and the dishonest and fraudulent methods of attracting and keeping business that you yourself have suggested in this very thread. You always find the least important part of a post to respond to, and don't seem to be countering any of my (or anyone else's) really meaningful arguments. Are you ignoring them because you can;t answer them, or because you think personal details are more important (maybe it's a cultural thing)?
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stu4: the Sioux ancestors
That would be "the Sioux's ancestors" or "the ancestors of the Sioux."
On the more substantive elements of your argument, perhaps naturalized US/Uk citizen would have been a better choice of words, WB. I hope this disagreement doesn't affect the lucrative financial arrangement we have for my side-kicking services.
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stu4: LOL! Then according to your "reasoning" Google is a fradulent company because their owner and founder, Sergey Brin, was born in Moscow, Russia? Or you mean the owners should be Indians, you know, the Sioux ancestors.
Dude, you are so freakin' STUPID4 that I don't even know how to respond. I'll let someone else slap da taste out yo' mouf.
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WritersBeware: I'll let someone else slap da taste out yo' mouf.
Taken care of.
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pheelyks: I hope this disagreement doesn't affect the lucrative financial arrangement we have for my side-kicking services.
I'm afraid that I am now going to have to pay you . . .
$100,000,000,000!
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Seriously ... who is Stu4? His posts read like the sick ramblings of a fraudster.
Stu4 - so if I hire 2 PhD writers and 1000 high school students, it'll be ok for me to claimstu4: "Our writers possess PHD degrees..."
Are you, in any way, serious?
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stu4: 1. Do not post your business address at all - in your FAQs section (in small font if possible) write that "your corporate address is available upon request." 99.5% of students won't even bother to ask you about that. If they do, provide them with your correct address, or course. But do list your American or Canadian virtual addresses because that's where most of your correspondence may rightfully come to. 2. If you hire at least two American or British writers, feel free to use this wording: "Our American writers..." or "Our British writers...". etc. 3. If you hire at least two writers with Phd degrees, feel free to use this wording: "Our writers possess PHD degrees..." That way your business will be perfectly legal around the world and WB will have to take up a real job again.
Do you have any idea how absolutely immoral you sound?
Stu4 - pls do not mention the law as what you are proposing is illegal in the UK. Those of us who are really British and have actually registered our companies in the UK, are not allowed to mislead customers or publish false claims. We would be taken to the cleaners if we do. Given the legal consequences of following your advice, we need to be off our rockers to even consider it for a sec.
Another thing - while you appear to assume that you know anything at all about the English language, please allow me to dispute that. When you claim that "Our writers possess PHD degrees..." it really means exactly that! You have phrased it in such a way that it can only mean that all your writers have post-graduate degrees. Misleading customers is not "perfectly legal," whatever you may have deluded yourself into believing ...
About virtual offices ... I assume that you are referring to those paid addresses which incorporation agents offer? Well ... in the UK, taking out a paid address does not allow you to open a company business account, etc etc ... we really do have to have real physical addresses, even if it is the owner's home address.
I really do think that the UK needs to change its incorporation laws because people like you are making a mockery of the system.
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pheelyks: Your question is phrased in both the positive and the negative. This would not be acceptable in an academic essay.
Pheelyks - give Stu4 a break! Doesn't he, at least, get some points for trying to write in English?!
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