| stu4 |
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Apr 14, 11, 02:45PM
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.... or all companies is a scam. Depends how you look at it. Here is why:
1. Most companies share a similar pool of writers. Not happens that one writer has only one freelancer writing account.
2. (in result) Both "scam" and "non-scam" companies have both good and bad writers.
3. (conclusion) If you are a client then you have the same chances to be scammed by a "legitimat" vs. "non-legitimate" company. It is up to your chance or your lucky star if you have a good writer or bad writer.
Good luck!
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 03:08PM
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stu4: 1. Most companies share a similar pool of writers.
No, they don't.
stu4: Not happens that one writer has only one freelancer writing account.
Huh?
stu4: 2. (in result) Both "scam" and "non-scam" companies have both good and bad writers.
Again, no--at least not in the long-term. Both types of companies have better and worse writers, but truly good writers do not stay with scam companies for very long (they quit), just like truly bad writers do not stay with good companies very long (they get fired). As a whole, scam companies have a lot of bad writers and no or very few good writers at any one time, while the exact reverse is true of non-scam companies.
stu4: 3. (conclusion) If you are a client then you have the same chances to be scammed by a "legitimat" vs. "non-legitimate" company.
The real conclusion here is that you're both desperate and border-line retarded.
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| stu4 |
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Edited by: stu4 Apr 14, 11, 03:23PM
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pheelyks: No, they don't.
These that don't admit it are not telling the truth.
Writers have multiple accounts with multiple companies.
pheelyks: truly good writers do not stay with scam companies for very long (they quit)
If they get paid on time they have no reason to go else where. Your company you advertise here pays $10 per page, same other companies pay the same or more for native speakers.
One more time => Think Logically.
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Edited by: prowritter Apr 14, 11, 03:37PM
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most writers would not risk working for one company. so, a similar pool of writers.
scammers would still need the good writers to keep the company running though.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 03:38PM
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stu4: pheelyks: No, they don't. These that don't admit it are not telling the truth.
If you mean that most companies have multiple consumer-end websites, that's true. What you claimed, however, was that the same or similar pools of writers are shared by all companies in the industry, and this is just flat untrue.
stu4: Writers have multiple accounts with multiple companies.
Possibly. This has nothing to do with the point you're making, however; good companies are still going to fire bad writers and good writers are still going to stop working for bad companies.
stu4: If they get paid on time they have no reason to go else where.
Yup. The reason I left UVO is because they couldn't see the sense in ensuring full and timely payment for one of their only decent writers. They tried to scam me, so I left. Their loss.
stu4: Your company you advertise here pays $10 per page
That's the absolute minimum. I make twice that and more during the busy season.
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| stu4 |
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Apr 14, 11, 03:42PM
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pheelyks: good writers are still going to stop working for bad companies.
If company pays on time it is good company. Your UVO experience is not the same any more for new writers. But you also are the proof of my point - you worked for UVO so are working other good writers.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 03:43PM
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prowritter: most writers would not risk working for one company. so, a similar pool of writers.
This doesn't follow logically. Basically, this statement is saying, "because most writers work for more than one company, most writers work for the same companies." This doesn't make any sense, given the huge number of companies and writers in this industry. Two companies could each have 1,000 writers without any overlap. I have had accounts with a total of five companies during my time in this industry, and this leaves a whole lot of companies that I've never worked for. I also don't work for those of the five that I discovered to be scam companies; they don't have a "pool of writers" that is "similar" in any way to the groups of writers that work for legitimate companies.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 03:45PM
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stu4: But you also are the proof of my point - you worked for UVO so are working other good writers.
I've already addressed this. Scam companies might luck into a good writer every now and then, but because good writers leave while bad writers stay, overall you have an exponentially better chance of getting a good writer at a good company--not to mention a chance at real revisions and/or a refund when you get the very rare bad writer.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 03:48PM
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stu4: Your UVO experience is not the same any more for new writers.
UVO can kiss my ass. A bunch of incompetent, arrogant assholes that paid writers less than half of what they charged, falsified plagiarism reports, and used any excuse possible not to pay. Unless someone else bought the company, fired everyone that was there, and started over from the ground up there's no way anyone half decent would want to to work for you.
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| stu4 |
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Apr 14, 11, 03:49PM
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All "scam companies" had to do is to start to pay on time. That's what most of them did already. Good writers have no reason to leave any more. End of story.
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Apr 14, 11, 04:04PM
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Wow, while I usually detest Pheelyks (and I quote) "asshole-y" and rude attitude, it is not hard to understand how one could become enraged past the point of reason if they spent enough time on this forum. Stu4, your argument makes no sense at all... Yes, although some illegitimate companies might share a infinitesimal overlap pool of writers with legitimate companies, they are still a SCAM. The writer is, quite possibly, the least of your problems If it is an illegitimate company it could:
A. Resell your paper, and thus have it end up in a plagiarizing database.
B. Hold your product, and try to negotiate a higher rate.
C. Not offer a refund if the paper is late.
Etcetcetc
From the amount that I have seen in this, "industry" it appears that legitimate companies have policies and guidelines in place to protect both writers and clients.
Seriously...WHAT?
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| stu4 |
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Apr 14, 11, 04:13PM
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I don't understand what you tried to say, sorry.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 04:15PM
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JessD: Pheelyks (and I quote) "asshole-y" and rude attitude
*Pheelyks'
JessD: it is not hard to understand how one could become enraged past the point of reason
I'm enraged by points of reason, and to a reasonable amount. I don't think there's a whole lot of rage in my posts at all, actually--the fact that I've picked your writing apart doesn't mean I'm angry, just smarter than you. The fact that you have to assign emotional value to this is evidence of your insecurity, not my "rage."
JessD: share a infinitesimal
*an
JessD: infinitesimal overlap pool of writers
This needs fixing in several ways
JessD: a plagiarizing database.
Huh?
These needs spaces, commas, and if you want to be really technical periods between them, as: "Etc., etc., etc."
JessD: I have seen in this, "industry"
there shouldn't be a comma here
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 04:16PM
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stu4: Good writers have no reason to leave any more
Better pay? Not getting fined? Not getting stuck with orders they don't want? Not being forced to do "revisions" when a customer's complaints have nothing to do with the original order, probably as an excuse for the owners to charge more without paying more? Yeah, no reason at all...
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| stu4 |
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Apr 14, 11, 04:20PM
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pheelyks: Not being forced to do "revisions" when a customer's complaints have nothing to do with the original order
Even scam company don't force you do anything unless for a new pay. Maybe they realized ur a pushover.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 04:45PM
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stu4: Even scam company don't force you do anything unless for a new pay.
Bullsh*t. I would be assigned "revisions" and then have pay withheld if I refused to complete them, or have revisions set with 4hr deadlines in the middle of the night, so I would wake up to fines on an order I completed the first time. The third time this happened was the last time.
You know how you conduct yourself, and you can lie about it here all you want but we all see the types of writers that work at companies like yours.
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| stu4 |
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pheelyks: I would be assigned "revisions" and then have pay withheld if I refused to complete them
If you failed to comply to the client order dont count on it that client wont notice. Clinet has a deadline and wont wait long for you to fix your mistakes.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 04:53PM
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stu4: If you failed to comply to the client order
I didn't "fail to comply," fucktard. My favorite was the customer who ordered a two page paper "about technology and society." That was the ENTIRE description/instruction set. I asked a few questions that got no response, wrote a paper, then received a long angry letter because I hadn't included several different specific technological innovations that were "obviously" supposed to be part of the paper. Who did UVO side with? The customer (at least, they told me they would be giving a refund if I didn't do a free rewrite). I didn't get paid, I doubt the customer got a refund, and I posted the essay on as many websites as I could so. UVO lost probably their best writer over a twenty-six bucks.
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| stu4 |
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Apr 14, 11, 04:58PM
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pheelyks: I asked a few questions that got no response
Freelancers need to have basic customer service and politeness skill to find themselves in the free market. If you wrote to your customer:
"Hey, fuckard! Where are additional instructions, dumbass!"
then you risk you dont get answer and dont get paid. You got what you deserved. Customer was right here not to pay you.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 05:16PM
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I only address known fucktards like yourself in this manner. I give customers the benefit of the doubt, and asked very politely if they had any additional specifications. Of course, you probably already guessed that and are now grasping at straws.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 05:17PM
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stu4: Customer was right here not to pay you.
The customer did pay. UVO didn't pass the money along, screwing both the writer and the customer. This is, of course, how these businesses operate, which you know because you operate one.
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Apr 14, 11, 06:51PM
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I like your style Pheelyks. pheelyks: The fact that you have to assign emotional value to this is evidence of your insecurity, not my "rage."
Within reason? You are obviously a talented writer-- if your posts hold any indication of your abilities. However, when you say things like "cunt bag" "assholey" etc., it becomes hard to take you seriously. I mean if you are here to help people (which you say you have done) then what is the necessity of saying things like "fucktard". It is a waste of typing...I mean, seriously, you are feeding the animals. There will always be ESL unqualified writers, illogical arguments, and outright lies.
Just something to think on from this unqualified speck ;)
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 14, 11, 07:22PM
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JessD: However, when you say things like "cunt bag" "assholey" etc., it becomes hard to take you seriously.
Don't take me seriously then. I think editor75 and others here that are far worse are more than deserving of such epithets.
JessD: what is the necessity of saying things like "fucktard"
There isn't a necessity, but I like being able to express myself on a forum meant for this expressive type of action. If you can come up with more pleasant yet equally descriptive and colorful terms, I'm all ears.
That should be a question mark, and the quote marks go outside the final punctuation, technically speaking.
JessD: There will always be ESL unqualified writers, illogical arguments, and outright lies.
Yes, and I will continue to call the first and the people that post the latter two fucktards and cunt bags. No everything I write on this forum has a pragmatic purpose, and the forum itself is intended primarily for entertainment value anyway. I find these words entertaining, so there you are.
JessD: something to think on
The toilet is something to think on. This is something (though not much of something) to think about.
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Edited by: editor75 Apr 15, 11, 07:59AM
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pheelyks is a pale snoot who keeps himself pasted to a screen 24-7. he's a joke who brags about how much money he makes doing kids' homework for them, picks at people's grammar because he's unintelligent, and can't get a job writing anything with his name on it. it's no wonder that he's a little bit cranky, sometimes.
pheelyks: I think editor75 and others here that are far worse are more than deserving of such epithets.
we just want you to be a better, nicer person, son. but if you insist on living in this kind of glass house, you might want to scribble your little lash-outs in Word first, because it has grammar checker and all. good luck!
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 15, 11, 08:31AM
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Ah, Buford. Posting without any sense of logic or reality as usual, I see. Why exactly are you here again?
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Apr 20, 11, 07:47AM
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pheelyks
"Again, no--at least not in the long-term. Both types of companies have better and worse writers, but truly good writers do not stay with scam companies for very long (they quit), just like truly bad writers do not stay with good companies very long (they get fired). As a whole, scam companies have a lot of bad writers and no or very few good writers at any one time, while the exact reverse is true of non-scam companies."
Absolutely agree
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 20, 11, 07:51AM
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Kate_poster: Absolutely agree
I'm glad you agree. Now stop spamming--every single thread on the forum does not need a near-useless comment from you.
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