Thanks Guys For Helping Me Out!!!

I was satisfied when I posed as 'Ukranianexpert' and laboured all through to produce a horrible piece of post and did manage to elicit some responses with varying degrees of perspectives. Truth be told, I am undertaking a Masters dissertation(Linguistics) and I had posed in an attempt to obtain data for my thesis(I have done so in several forums and I must thank those who contributed for helping me with my research). The gist of my thesis is that the internet is producing a variety of written English that is syntactically equivalent to spoken English and thus influenced by the cultural sphere inhabited by the user of this interesting variety of English
Crucially though, I'd want to assume that this site is patronised by both ESL and EFL persons with strategic interests in writing and buying 'custom written' essays. However, one thing that struck me is an ongoing war of posts between ESL and EFL posters with the former being maligned for 'cheating' customers and, generally, providing poor services –specifically through deployment of sub-standard English.
Well, as an English teacher in China(though I am currently in California for my masters), I must emphasise that English as a language is very dynamic and context specific especially when it comes to specific socio-cultural ecosystems. The notion of Standard English language is quite absurd as, literally and practically, there is nothing like standard English(Crystal 1997?). As a native citizen of UK, I have had the privilege of interacting-both orally and textually- with varieties of English language and a key observation I have made is that English and culture are inseparable; For example, a speaker from, say, Nigeria will communicate the same point as a speaker from India BUT use completely different linguistic devices to communicate.
Well, it is no doubt that EFL and ESL who acquired English language at the critical level(roughly age 9 as per my research) can speak/writer better English than ESL who acquired the language only later in life. Hence, to me it'd appear quite an uphill task for ESL who have only interacted with the Language sporadically to research and produce quality writing. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that an ESL cannot produce a quality piece of writing- it does happen but must be fuelled by extensive interaction with the language in both oral and written contexts. Practice perfects.
I am also dismayed that students' laziness has fuelled a big industry where custom papers are sold for 'research purposes' but I'd bet my life that no student can spend upwards of $500 for a paper and fails to hand it in as his/her own.
All in all, I thank all who contributed to my posts and...wait----a rule for researching and using internet data states that one can use data from any website provided that such data is a) publicly archived b) doesn't expose the identity of the author and c) there is no any rule on the website stating that data cannot be used without permission of the publisher.
So guys cheer up!
Mary Williams

Likely, neither person's use of the English language would be acceptable to the average, paying, EFL consumer who has been falsely guaranteed a "native English-speaking" writer.


Congratulations—you're dead. Multiple forms of proof have already been posted in this forum.

all you did was sound inauthentic, racist, totally transparent, and a little bit amusing. no one bought it (except maybe WB).

ROFLMAO!

If you believe that I believed it to be genuine, you REALLY need help.

"ROFLMAO!"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the first to call it?

I can't recall, but I was the first to play it up.

WB - this forum has been shot to hell! The lunatics, led by Fundi the Clown, have taken over the asylum :)

WB never called it. On the contrary, she took it for a horse even when everyone was already screaming that it was a donkey, if you get my drift.

But you've got to admit UE was a scream! Especially the part about farming. It was all very chacha-esque ...

Didn't really read much of what he wrote. >.<

Anyone who actually believes that I did not immediately recognize it as a farcical reality-check for certain, unqualified, ESL writers is a complete idiot. I'm sorry that my participation was too "real" for your small minds.

a pretend-Ukrainian to WB is like chum to a shark.

I challenge anyone to read the thread where the ukranianexpert pretended to be a Ukrainian writer and proclaim that WB did indeed choose to see through the deception instead of relishing in it.

IGNORE.

LOL!

What a pathetic attempt at a save. Nobody is taking on the challenge because anyone who does would just make a fool out o' himself/herself. You were very transparent in your statements and it's pretty obvious to everyone that you (and only you) took ukranianexpert's story hook, line, and sinker. :p

Please stop attempting to start a fight with me. I have no inclination to entertain your incessant childishness. I can only assume that if you had not WHORED your inconsequential projects (against forum rules, as usual), you would not have had the reason or opportunity to MISUNDERSTAND my post.

For the umpteenth time, stop trying to create confrontation and problems where there are none.

Wow... these statements mix as well as nitrogen and glycerin. :D

I'm not starting a fight. I'm just pointing out what is obvious to rusty and to all the other people who have read your reactions in ukranianexpert's first thread.

oh and btw, you should check out that thread where you claimed that I misunderstood you. I think you'd see that even in that thread, nobody believes you.

"stop calling me names, *******!"

I have to agree with UE, and I've seen no proof on this forum to the contrary.

Hey, Rusty, you think that you're really clever, don't you? If you want to challenge me in ANY sort of way, feel free. If not, shut up.

http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/14/countdown-till-close-down-ever-happen-107 4/2/#msg15531

http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/14/countdown-till-close-down-ever-happen-107 4/3/#msg15567

http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/14/countdown-till-close-down-ever-happen-107 4/4/#msg15801

"[Ms. Cohea] says she wasn't planning to turn in the paper as her own; instead, she says, she was only going to use it to get ideas."
http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i28/28a00102.htm

challenge you? where are we, Medieval Times?

Pistols at dawn!

Tarararaaaaaaaaan... tararaaaaaaan *tumbleweed tumbles*



Do these pass off as proof to you, undertow?



For a self-proclaimed reformed citizen, you sure know how to make newcomers feel welcome. :D

Give me a break, EW. That character has been posting his little pot-shots ever since he signed-up. I simply told him to step up to the plate and challenge me in an adult-like debate instead of conducting himself like a child.

Did you claim that "all students who buy papers use them to cheat"? YEP! Did I prove you wrong? YEP!

Did you claim that "all complaining members of this board are cheaters"? YEP! Did I prove you wrong? Yep!

Did I EVER state that "all students who buy papers use them honestly"? NOPE!

I have posted irrefutable proof that your bold assertions are incorrect. There is nothing more to discuss on the matter.

One of my steadiest clients - past 3 years - never ever submits the papers as her own. She uses them as a model to write her paper (she uses the sources I cite, however, to save time). Several of the clients I have dealt with over the years do not submit the work as their own. Of course, some do. Point is that it is impossible to generalise at all ...

Like a what? :D



If you've proven me so wrong, then why do you seen so worried about my question to undertow? :p

Oh, and btw:


No comment huh? Haha! :p

Not worried AT ALL. I'm just tired of you dredging up already-defeated arguments, and I am certainly not the only one.

I know for a fact that certain members of this forum agreed—via PM—to publicly "side" with you (i.e., type "no," despite feeling otherwise) under the condition that you would cease your childish attacks. Not surprisingly, you couldn't honor that agreement.

Enjoy your "support."

EW and WB - do not drag me into this ... I like the two of you and actually believe that
1) this constant bickering looks very bad
2) that it is doing nobody any good

To all ESL writers, including EW - WB has repeadly stated that she is not against good ESL writers, ok? So let's not generalise

Now - I though the purpose of this forum wasto expose scam companies. the fact is that everyone jumps all over the place when anyone does.

Ukranian companies like EW and AR are scammers - is that in dispute? Besides evidence posted, don't many of us here have our own experiences?

How about this: let's focus on the topic and not the person.

In EW's defense - he is not a fraudster and he really is a good writer
In WB's defense - the fact isthat she does post the truth and backs it up through external sources ... so what in the hell is wrong with that.

I learnt a great deal from this forum - from the experiences of its members and, yes, the EVIDENCE posted here. Over the past weeks, however, all most of us have seen is ZERO. I definitely contributed to that by engaging with a certain member but I think that it is time to move ahead ... bring the forum back to its true purpose.

Exposing scammers works for both writers and customers ... so, why on earth should any turn this into a personal issue?

Today - an extremely clear-headed person who contacted me through this forum (new member) gave me some very good advise. Basically, we are making ourselves look very very bad - try to see what is going on here from the point of view of students? If I were them, I'd run screaming ... we are supposed to be professionals here; professionals whom students trust ...

In our capacity as professionals whose interests are best served by a clean industry image:
1) yes ... we should call out the mediocre ESL writers, as well as the poorer native writers. They have no place in this profession and they reflect badly on all of us.
2) of course scammers have to be exposed and, hopefully, driven out altogether.

Touchy subjects - ESL and fraudulent companies ... however, the good ESL writers should nevertake this personally, just as the legits shouldnot be bothered by the exposition of their fraudulent competitors ...

100% correct

For the record ... remember the sudden splurge of positive posts about ...? Repeatedly denied it, being absolutely sure that had no role in it. Hated all of you for not believing it ... but really started thinking. Guess what? Found out that you guys were right -the posts had been instigated by an insider (now outsider). What I am saying here is that this forum is damn good and, from a personal perspective, terribly helpful. So ... let's keep it that way. Cleaning up the industry by, at least, helping students and writers avoid the scammers, is in all of our interests ...

There was no such condition discussed. I asked a simple question and politely requested that the people involved answer honestly, which they did. If they wish to contest these statements, they are free to do so out in the open so that I can post evidence that say otherwise as well and REALLY make this forum interesting. :D





See there's the problem. You have me and a few other folks here who actually work for and get paid promptly by essaywriters.net and you got rusty who is so far satisfied with AR. If you label the companies that we work for as worthless scams, what does that say about us? Frankly, I think essaywriters.net is unfair in many of its practices and should improve and develop into a better company, but I certainly refuse to call it an outright scam because they do pay me on time, all the time. You can criticize EW and AR's employment and customer service policies and practices but generalizing negatively about their writing output is an insult to all of the competent writers here who work for them.

WB, I am willing to concede that you are the master debater.

Actually, I think it's the constant bickering that gets me the extra clients who hire me through this message board, although I'm not doing it for that purpose. >.<