| WRT |
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Oct 21, 09, 08:25PM
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StinkySox, have you any idea of how absolutely ridiculous your argument is? You are promoting false and misleading information and your assertations are, without exception, invalid.
WhiteSox: There are many companies that use foreign-based customer service (like IBM, Intel, Google, Sprint, Verizon, Dell, Nike to mention a few) and nobody is so aggressive against those companies.
Yes, here in the UK, most all do. BT, for example, has outsourced its call centre. While it has clearly informed the entire country that its call centre is (mostly) in India, it is bashed daily over that. Do you know why? Because when I, or anyone else, pick up our phones and want to talk to a cusomer service rep whose accent is comprehensible and who speaks English, we expect to find that. We don't and, hence, BT has lost a lot of customers. Most everybody is aggressive about outsourcing our services to countries where English is an alien tongue.
WhiteSox: What "crime" (other than not posting their physical address but a PO box or sporadic hiring ESL writers like most companies do) have they done? That the owner is Russian or Pakistani? Is it a crime?
What crime?
1) As per the law of the land, companies have to clearly post their registered address, company registration number and all contact info on their websites.
2) As per Sales of Goods and Services Act, the goods and services which a customer receives have to be in complete compliance with the quality and description advertised. A low-quality, uneducated ESL writer is incapable of producing work which is, in any way, comparable to that which a British or American professional academic writer can produce whilst asleep.
3) As per both Consumer Protection and Sales of Goods and Services Acts, companies cannot falsely advertise themselves - it is illegal to advertise themselves as Brits and Americans when they are not; it is a complete violation of the law for them to claim that all their writers hold Graduate and Post-Graduate degrees, when they do not; it is a blatant defiance of the law to state that all their writers are NATIVE ENGLISH LANGUAGE speakers when they are not.
WhiteSox: There is customer protection law in place so if you order a paper and don't receive it you can call your bank to get the money back. It's as simple as that.
You are, quite obviously, clueless. It is not as simple as that. You have to file a dispute, etc etc. Even if you do, the company may claim that the service paid for was provided. In this case, a refund will not be issued.
WhiteSox: Hasn't Yury or Alexy (?) posted here? They live in the UK, don't they? They don't hide in the mountains. IF they are criminals, they are easy to find, aren't they? Maybe you need to get a dictionary to read the definition of a criminal?
No, they do not live in the UK, not at all. They live in Ukraine, as you well know. More accurately, they hide in Ukraine.
WhiteSox: So you THINK they are doing something illegal, but the courts and business organizations don't think so (if they did, they would shut them down).
No, we do not think so; we have repeatedly established that they are engaged in illegalities. Hence, we know so. Maybe where you come from, homicide is the only recognised crime. Not here - failing to provide customers with all information relevant to the purchase decision is illegal; misleading customers is illegal; providing them with plagiarised papers is a violation of copyright laws; etc etc
By the way, a business organisation does not have the authority to shut another business down.
WhiteSox: It's not illegal to pay writer what they want
It is illegal to promise writers Y amount for a research but, when payday arrives, to deduct imaginary XYZ from the agreed upon amount. It is illegal to advertise a misleading pay rate.
WhiteSox: But the system allows anyone in the world to use this forwarding feature as they wish, doesn't it.
This feature was never intended to be used for the purposes of misleading customers into believing that you are located in the UK, when you are not. In fact, using this service for the purpose of misleading is, more often than not, a violation of the provider's Terms and Conditions of Use.
WhiteSox: How can a transaction be "fraudulent" if a person (the card holder) willingly pays for it?
A transaction is inarguably fraudulent if the payer/consumer was misled into making the purchase. The payee/service provider is legally obligated to provide the customer wth all information relevant to the purchase decision. The Pakistani, Ukrainian, etc companies do not = fraudulent transaction.
Now, StinkySox, go away.
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Oct 21, 09, 09:42PM
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WRT: Yes, here in the UK, most all do. BT, for example, has outsourced its call centre. While it has clearly informed the entire country that its call centre is (mostly) in India, it is bashed daily over that. Do you know why? Because when I, or anyone else, pick up our phones and want to talk to a cusomer service rep whose accent is comprehensible and who speaks English, we expect to find that. We don't and, hence, BT has lost a lot of customers. Most everybody is aggressive about outsourcing our services to countries where English is an alien tongue.
So will you have the guts to call them "criminals and fraudsters" just because they outsourced their customer service and use foreigners to do the job? How is it different from ESL writers writing an essay in English? They also try to talk in English to you (even though English is not their first language), don't they?
WRT: 1) As per the law of the land, companies have to clearly post their registered address, company registration number and all contact info on their websites.
If the company is doing business or is located in the US it doesn't have to post their address.
WRT: 2) As per Sales of Goods and Services Act, the goods and services which a customer receives have to be in complete compliance with the quality and description advertised. A low-quality, uneducated ESL writer is incapable of producing work which is, in any way, comparable to that which a British or American professional academic writer can produce whilst asleep.
It was proven that American writers are being hired as well. Why do you pick on ESL writers again?
WRT: 3) As per both Consumer Protection and Sales of Goods and Services Acts, companies cannot falsely advertise themselves - it is illegal to advertise themselves as Brits and Americans when they are not; it is a complete violation of the law for them to claim that all their writers hold Graduate and Post-Graduate degrees, when they do not; it is a blatant defiance of the law to state that all their writers are NATIVE ENGLISH LANGUAGE speakers when they are not.
Not all writers are, but some are. You probably added the word "all" yourself.
WRT: You are, quite obviously, clueless. It is not as simple as that. You have to file a dispute, etc etc. Even if you do, the company may claim that the service paid for was provided. In this case, a refund will not be issued.
So the company is legitimate enough to do daily business with national banks, but not legitimate enough to provide the service to anonymous students? IF the company was a fraud, do you think banks and other entities the company is doing business with wouldn't notice (they had several years to notice that).
WRT: No, they do not live in the UK, not at all. They live in Ukraine, as you well know. More accurately, they hide in Ukraine.
Is there any court order against them? Are there any sanctions imposed on Ukraine for hiding these "criminals" (who apparently freely travel to the UK and spend there most of their times, ie. live there?).
WRT: No, we do not think so; we have repeatedly established that they are engaged in illegalities. Hence, we know so. Maybe where you come from, homicide is the only recognised crime. Not here - failing to provide customers with all information relevant to the purchase decision is illegal; misleading customers is illegal; providing them with plagiarised papers is a violation of copyright laws; etc etc
If I was to listen to your advice, I would land in a jail within a week. You claim that if a company does not provide me with "all information relevant to the purchase decision" then I have the right:
1. To sue that company (and win in all cases).
2. To demand a refund regardless the circumstances.
What you write is utter nonsense. Here is why - let's say I went to a barber to cut my hair. I liked the cut and the service. But after a few days I was short on cash. I knew my friend (who is gay) also used their service. So I went to the manager and told him
"Dear manager, I need a refund because you haven't informed me that you cut hair of gay people, too. I just didn't know and since I don't like gay people it was your legal duty to inform me of that. You haven't provided me with all information relevant to my purchase decision. Thank you for your cooperation, waiting for the refund."
WRT: It is illegal to promise writers Y amount for a research but, when payday arrives, to deduct imaginary XYZ from the agreed upon amount. It is illegal to advertise a misleading pay rate.
If you carefully read the TOS you would probably notice a point about possible deductions.
WRT: This feature was never intended to be used for the purposes of misleading customers into believing that you are located in the UK, when you are not. In fact, using this service for the purpose of misleading is, more often than not, a violation of the provider's Terms and Conditions of Use.
The fact that you may believe in something is not equal to what others may believe in. If the feature was misleading to the point that it was illegal - it would be illegal, period.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 21, 09, 10:06PM
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WhiteSox: It was proven that American writers are being hired as well.
"as well" isn't the same as "only," and for the customers who don't get American writers, the fact that the company employs some doesn't matter a whole lot.WhiteSox: Not all writers are, but some are. You probably added the word "all" yourself
Wrong again. Go back and read the site that you supposedly checked out.WhiteSox: So the company is legitimate enough to do daily business with national banks, but not legitimate enough to provide the service to anonymous students? IF the company was a fraud, do you think banks and other entities the company is doing business with wouldn't notice (they had several years to notice that).
This argument makes no sense. Banks do business with people/entities that have money, period. The companies didn't steal the money, they just obtained it for a product they couldn't deliver.
WhiteSox: apparently freely travel to the UK and spend there most of their times, ie. live there?
You've been asked for proof of this. Show it.WhiteSox: "Dear manager, I need a refund because you haven't informed me that you cut hair of gay people, too. I just didn't know and since I don't like gay people it was your legal duty to inform me of that. You haven't provided me with all information relevant to my purchase decision. Thank you for your cooperation, waiting for the refund."
You're a moron. There's an obvious difference between this case and that of essay scams. A more apt scenario would be if you paid a barber for a haircut, and when you sat down in the chair a retarded monkey with a set of clippers was set on your head.WhiteSox: If you carefully read the TOS you would probably notice a point about possible deductions.
Not true in many cases. I know this from personal experience.WhiteSox: If the feature was misleading to the point that it was illegal - it would be illegal, period.
So, just to be clear, you think that misleading customers is fine as long as it's not expressly illegal?
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Oct 21, 09, 10:28PM
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pheelyks: "as well" isn't the same as "only," and for the customers who don't get American writers, the fact that the company employs some doesn't matter a whole lot.
I couldn't find an example that they claim "We ONLY hire such and such writers." Could you show me on which page they say that?
pheelyks: Wrong again. Go back and read the site that you supposedly checked out.
I checked it and couldn't find it.
pheelyks: This argument makes no sense. Banks do business with people/entities that have money, period. The companies didn't steal the money, they just obtained it for a product they couldn't deliver.
If there were as many complaints as you suggested, the banks would not be doing business with the company. It's in the bank's rules.
So IF the company has been scamming people for the last several years then it would have easily more than allowed % of complaints = not doing business with banks any more. In other words, if the company scams their clients it would eventually be able to accept cash only. That is apparently not the case.
pheelyks: You've been asked for proof of this. Show it.
Let him show you if you ask him. I don't live with him but this is what I know from my private sources.
pheelyks: A more apt scenario would be if you paid a barber for a haircut, and when you sat down in the chair a retarded monkey with a set of clippers was set on your head.
As far as I know the client doesn't care if the writer composes his paper while sitting in a bathroom or outside on his yard. The fact is the FINAL product, not the process of doing it.
pheelyks: So, just to be clear, you think that misleading customers is fine as long as it's not expressly illegal?
No, I think you can argue just about anything. We can argue if selling knives should be legal or not (legal - when you use it to cut meat, illegal - when someone uses it to commit a crime). You showed my your personal interpretation, I showed you another interpretation is as valid and true as yours.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 21, 09, 11:22PM
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WhiteSox: I couldn't find an example that they claim "We ONLY hire such and such writers." Could you show me on which page they say that?
You're missing the point again. I'm too tired to point it out for the third time.WhiteSox: I checked it and couldn't find it.
"MA and PhD educated writers from well known US and UK Universities" It's on their homepage, dumbass. Even if they don't say explicitly that all of their writers hold such degrees, it is obviously implied--or why don't they say "some"?
WhiteSox: In other words, if the company scams their clients it would eventually be able to accept cash only.
Your understanding of business is something special.
WhiteSox: The fact is the FINAL product, not the process of doing it.
That was my point. Do you think you'd get the same haircut from a trained human barber and a retarded monkey?
WhiteSox: I showed you another interpretation is as valid and true as yours
Just because an opinion can be asserted doesn't make it valid. And courts generally decide validity in such situations.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 21, 09, 11:24PM
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WhiteSox: I was going to be hired as a writer but working in this industry
then
WhiteSox: I don't live with [Yuri/Alexei] but this is what I know from my private sources.
There is no doubt in my mind that WhiteSox is either an agent of EssayWriters.net/Academia-Research.com or one of the owners.
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Oct 22, 09, 06:19AM
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I agree that essaywriters is a scam. I used to work for them. A lot of great writers used to as well. Essaywriters.net pays well at first but later fines writers unfairly to get more money from orders. They are just too greedy so I left and looked for better companies to work for. I feel sorry for them because they could have made it big but they just cannot stop cheating the people who are responsible for their income.
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| WRT |
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Oct 22, 09, 06:34AM
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WhiteSox: So will you have the guts to call them "criminals and fraudsters" just because they outsourced their customer service and use foreigners to do the job?
BT is called that every single day. You know why? Because their customer support services are virtually non-existent due to the language barrier which outsourcing has created.
WhiteSox: How is it different from ESL writers writing an essay in English?
Are you serious? Did you even think about this question before raising it? On the off-chance that you are serious: it is aggravating to call up a BT operator with a question about a service and receive an incomprehensible answer in garbled English; it is a disaster to provide students with plagiarised model research papers and can cost them their degree and future. It is theft to provide students with papers written by non-English speaking ignoramuses, while claiming otherwise.
WhiteSox: Not all writers are, but some are. You probably added the word "all" yourself.
WhiteSox: If the company is doing business or is located in the US it doesn't have to post their address.
Well, they also do business in the UK and claim that they are British companies. So, make up your mind: UK or USA?
WhiteSox: Why do you pick on ESL writers again?
Am not picking on ESL writers but on any who cannot speak English better than the average Joe. A professionl writer has to possess perfect language skills, or haven't you heard? There are many terrific ESL writers and nobody is picking on them. Dn't try to twist this.
WhiteSox: Is there any court order against them? Are there any sanctions imposed on Ukraine for hiding these "criminals" (who apparently freely travel to the UK and spend there most of their times, ie. live there?).
This is an outright lie and you know that. They do not live in the UK AT ALL. They have not even succeeded in opening a UK bank account.
WhiteSox: What you write is utter nonsense. Here is why - let's say I went to a barber to cut my hair. I liked the cut and the service. But after a few days I was short on cash. I knew my friend (who is gay) also used their service. So I went to the manager and told him "Dear manager, I need a refund because you haven't informed me that you cut hair of gay people, too. I just didn't know and since I don't like gay people it was your legal duty to inform me of that. You haven't provided me with all information relevant to my purchase decision. Thank you for your cooperation, waiting for the refund."
If the barber were an inexperienced and untrained idiot, yes, you wuld be entitled to more than a refund. Sexual orientation is irrelevant to the purchase decision as it has no bearing on quality or skill. WhiteSox: If you carefully read the TOS you would probably notice a point about possible deductions.
Not at all true. Stop lying.
WhiteSox: I couldn't find an example that they claim "We ONLY hire such and such writers." Could you show me on which page they say that?
Alexei:
[url=http://www.masterpapers.com/get_college_english_term_paper.htm]Native English personnel
Our staff comprises only personnel who have English as their native tongue. We are also very particular about the qualifications of all of our staff and the minimum qualification needed is a Bachelor's degree.[/url]
Our writers are native English speakers and writers who hold a doctorate degree in their area of competence.
Your paper will be written by a native English speaker.Essayoptions.com is an Alexei site.
Yuri's claim:
Constantly valuing both new and satisfied customers, the company reckons it essential that only native English speakers, MA Degree, and PhD holders receive custom essay writing assignments to ensure capability of dealing with such tasks regardless of difficulty and area of specialization. Respectable executives of the company agree that adhering to precise writing standards will meet as well as exceed the expectations of the clients.
MA and PhD educated writers from well known US and UK Universities
No compromise for quality. Our company employs only certified writers, MA holders, professors, researchers, and editors. All of them are native English speakers and are proficient in their specific area.
Now, StinkySox, are you Yuri or Alexei?
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Oct 22, 09, 11:58AM
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The bottom line is your case against all these "fraudulent sites" is very weak. You keep repeating yourself and your arguments are very easy to beat. You make a big fuss out of nothing, you focus on things that are completely irrelevant, and the only advantage you have is your English "eloquency." But talk is cheap. I'm just ashamed of you, those who call yourselves "businessmen" but still cannot be fair towards other nations and other businesses.
But I don't care because I have no connection with such businesses. I just wanted to tell you what an outside person may think after reading your stories.
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| WRT |
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Oct 22, 09, 12:24PM
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WhiteSox: But I don't care because I have no connection with such businesses.
WhiteSox: I was going to be hired as a writer
WhiteSox: Hasn't Yury or Alexy (?) posted here? They live in the UK
WhiteSox: Besides, the BestEssays owner lives in the UK. So any talk about him or his company being "foreign" should be void.
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9/essay-deadline-determine-essay-price-small -survey-writers-1243/
StinkySox: you are lying through your teeth and few, if any, believe you. On your first day here you posted a new thread, purportedly to survey writers (real intent was to establish your presence here and connect with others). A few days later, this thread ...
You claim that you are not connected to this industry. You, yourself, said otherwise in your first thread. How about trying to keep track of your claims so you don't end up making a fool of yourself?
You are intent on establishing that Alexei and Yuri live in the UK (you especially emphasised Yuri). They do not. Why are you lying? I am pretty sure I know who you are, by the way. Many here have guessed it already.
You asked for proof that these companies claimed that they only hired native English language writers – provided you with that proof. You failed to respond to that or any one of the issues raised. If you came here to whitewash Yuri, you have accomplished the exact opposite.
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| WRT |
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Oct 22, 09, 12:28PM
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WhiteSox: The bottom line is your case against all these "fraudulent sites" is very weak.
Respond to the points raised, please. And, when you do, stick to the facts and the basic principles of logic.
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Edited by: nathraq Oct 22, 09, 04:39PM
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In layman's terms understandable to a 2nd grader:
The fraudelent foreign scam company sets up a U.S./U.K landline offered by a forwarding company. Some also set up mailboxes in the U.S. (As WritersBeware has proven in the past), also utilizing a forwarding company, adding to the ruse that said scam-essay companies are legitimate US/UK based firms. The calls and mail are forwarded to the owners in the Ukraine, Pakistan, various countries in Africa, etc. Hence the deception of posing as legitimate companies with native US/UK writers to suck the potential customer in, when in the end, the buyer receives a poorly written or plagiarized paper written by an ESL'er, who is paid peanuts compared to what his counterparts in the US/UK are paid.
A potential customer starts using the power of Google to search for essay writing companies. A majority of the scam companies come up as hits. The unsuspecting customer browses through various sites offering essay-writing services, and is greeted with such disclaimers as: Written by Native English Speakers; all essays 100% unplagiarized; satisfaction guaranteed or your money back, etc. What the customer fails to realize at the time, is that his order is being forwarded to some guy/girl in a 3rd world country, who has a passing fluency in the English language, but can't understand basic everyday American/British vernacular, complex innuendos, and proper verb usage. The customer is therefore scammed, insofar as they thought that "Matt" in the US/UK, who has a masters in English Lit, was writing his/her paper on "Shakespeares use of Middle English", when in actuality, Habib in Punjabi was trying his damndest to bust out a paper to fill the order, at $2.50 per page, and with a 6th grade English proficiency.
That's why it's a scam. And as soon as these fools get outed, they close shop, and reopen again under a different website name, offering the same hacked up services as before.
All you need to do is use the "search" button at the top of the ES forum page, and see for yourself.
Just read through WB's and others 1000's of posts on the aforementioned scam companies to see that they are just that: scams.
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I disagree. A customer may receive an inferior product (but that is not always the case since there are American/British/Canadian/Australian writers who work for these companies too). BUT the customer pays LESS than he/she would have paid using a company that is based in the US or UK. Pay less, get a little worse product. That's a simple and thougtful economic behavior.
Some of you, on the other hand, the owners of the companies based in the US or UK, try to tell the public that your competition is 'foreign scam.' Because you don't know any better and you try to use stereotypes to fool the readers.
You try to tell the readers that if you are a FIAT then you are a "FOREIGN SCAM" because you manufacture cheaper cars in a foreign country. You cry like babies because you own a CADILLAC.
That is fine that you own a Cadillac, but that is not right that you call your competition scammers. In fact, you disrespect all customers because you think they are or should be idiots if they choose to buy a worse product for less.
All you want is that all people shopping for cars (or essays) should buy your Cadillacs, even if there are cheaper versions of the products.
That is all what it's all about. You don't care about the customer, you only care about your pockets and try to play the devil's advocate at the same time. I'm sure the readers have already spotted your agenda because it is so clear to spot.
And before once again you accuse me of owning a 'foreign ripoff site', I must disappoint you. I write from the buyer/customer/reporter's perspective.
PS. I'm not really sure that Cadillacs are any better than Fiats.
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| WRT |
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Oct 22, 09, 06:55PM
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WhiteSox: I write from the buyer/customer/reporter's perspective.
No you don't.
Your argument is senseless and does not address the issues raised:
1) lying about location
2) lying about writers' qualifications
3) lying about writers' nationalities
4) lying about owners' nationalities
5) failure to screen writers
6) failure to check papers for plagiarism prior to sending them off to the customer
7) failure to check the quality of the finished product
8) making up bogus awards and claiming to be the receipients
9) paying writers 25% or less of what they receive per page
10) delaying writer payments for lengthy periods of time
11) unjustifiably fining writers
12) refusal to refund customers when they receive a shoddy or plagiarised paper, despite their so-called guarantees
13) providing customers with fake office addresses
14) reselling customers' papers and/or posting them as samples on their websites
They are scammers because of their MO, not nationality.
Grow up, StinkySox
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Oct 22, 09, 07:26PM
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WRT: 1) lying about location
If you didn't notice yet, we live in XXI century and the job is done 100% online. Who cares about the location when everything takes place on the World Wide Web?
WRT: 2) lying about writers' qualifications
It would probably take 10,000 words not to "lie" about qualifications because the only way of not "lying" would be to put detailed resumes of ALL writers. How do you imagine to describe the qualifications of all writers in a 500-word web copy? It is obvious they only take the best parts (that they have a few or more qualified writers based in the US or UK) and omit not the greatest facts (like that they also have ESL writers in their team).
It is not a crime they do it this way (look up: commercial ad copy). At the same time they do not lie what you are trying to insinuate. A commercial web copy is not a legal or scientific document.
WRT: 3) lying about writers' nationalities
See above.
WRT: 4) lying about owners' nationalities
Wow, so now we should get back to the 'black man' / 'white man' era? How the nationality is relevant? If you knew the owner was black or Hispanic, wouldn't you order from them? What if the owner was a woman, no good either? What you try to propose here is even illegal.
WRT: 5) failure to screen writers
Do you mean to tell if they are black or white? Or what nationality they are?
WRT: ) failure to check papers for plagiarism prior to sending them off to the customer
If the hired writer is good and responsible there is no need to check for plagiarism. Besides, the customer is supposed to use the essay as a way to start their own research, isn't he?
WRT: 7) failure to check the quality of the finished product
See above.
WRT: 8) making up bogus awards and claiming to be the receipients
It's a part of the marketing strategy. It is not illegal to be creative. I can award my dog "The Smartest Dog in Town" today and give him a treat for that. Then I can legally blog about it.
WRT: 9) paying writers 25% or less of what they receive per page
This argument is laughable. It is legal to pay writers as much as the writer wants to work for. If you want to get 100% of the paid money, you can set up your own business.
WRT: 10) delaying writer payments for lengthy periods of time
Again, this is an internal operation or policies. It happens in all companies, some are worse some better about it.
WRT: 11) unjustifiably fining writers
See above.
WRT: 12) refusal to refund customers when they receive a shoddy or plagiarised paper, despite their so-called guarantees
How do you know that, from your own experience? I read that some American companies are much "better" in that.
Let's again read BestEssays.com TOS regarding refunds:
Conditional Refund Guarantee
If you are not fully satisfied with the research product or services that is prepared and provided by our company; you can submit a refund request in writing no later than three days after the completion of your order. If your refund request is not received within 72 hours it is to be assumed among both parties that you are satisfied with your order and at that time you will not be eligible for any refunded amount. If you need to cancel your order you may do so at any time prior to the fulfillment of your order. Please note that account credits are non-refundable. All refunds and cancellations should be communicated and expressed in writing by using our order messaging system or can be e-mailed to our support department. It is the sole discretion of BestEssays.com to approve or disapprove your request on an individual case by case basis based on the violation of your user agreement. The following is a list of potential issues that may affect you in receiving your order by the requested deadline. We can not guarantee a refund of your order or services if any of the following should occur.
http://www.bestessays.com/disclaimer.php
Where does it say they will UNCONDITIONALLY refund the money if you are not satisfied?
WRT: 13) providing customers with fake office addresses
You repeat yourself, see your point #1 above. Besides, when post comes correctly to the PO Box which is set up as an office address, HOW IS IT FAKE?
WRT: 14) reselling customers' papers and/or posting them as samples on their websites
This is again a dominance of some of the American companies. But I'm sure you don't want to look into that further.
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To sum up, your case against these 'foreign ripoff companies' is very weak. To make it even weaker, just compare BestEssays.com with any "legit American" company. I could put exactly the same points you mentioned above next to them (and add a few more).
You are fooling yourself and the public. You believe in something that does not exist (or exists equally the same within the 'American' or 'legit' companies). The sooner you wake up, the better.
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WhiteSox: Wow, so now we should get back to the 'black man' / 'white man' era?
Are you kidding me?! What has race got to do with any of this? Nationality is important because they lie about it, claiming to be Brits and Americans when they are not. Nationality is relevant because they are extending British and American students a service which requires perfect command of the English language and an in-depth knowledge of the eduational system in these countries. Race/skin colour, on the other hand, is irrelevant StinkySox. WhiteSox: Do you mean to tell if they are black or white?
You are getting sillier and sillier by the minute, Yuri.
You are nothing but a fraud-defending wannabe. You are not arguing the issues but twisting words and meaning in a blatantly obvious way.
StinkySox - you really are something ...
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Oct 22, 09, 07:52PM
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WB - where are you????!!!!!
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WRT: NATIONALITY IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY LIE ABOUT IT AND CLAIM TO BE BRITISH OR AMERICANS WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
In this thread it was PROVEN than they ALSO hire AMERICAN WRITERS. Did you miss that point?
WRT: They fail to screen their writers as in do not test theor qualifications.
How do you know that? What kind of tests do American companies do? Do they call their former professors for references or tell them to write a 5-page paper for free?
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WRT: You are nothing but a fraud-defending wannabe. You are not arguing the issues but twisting words and meaning in a blatantly obvious way.
I defend them because it got to the point it's impossible to read all these accussations by those who don't look and tidy their own backyard first.
Again, your biggest advantage is your excellend command of English, but as far as facts are concerned they are all twisted or exaggerated.
I'm not going to post more in this thread because I have no interest of doing so other than to defend good business practices and fairness in dealing with competition.
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WhiteSox: Wow, so now we should get back to the 'black man' / 'white man' era? How the nationality is relevant? If you knew the owner was black or Hispanic, wouldn't you order from them?
Nationality has nothing to do with race, you f*cking moron.
ALL: I do apologize in advance for how I am going to handle this dolt. His criminal mindset is painfully apparent, and I really can't stomach it any longer.
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WhiteSox: It happens in all companies
You're a lying piece of crap. Where's your proof that any of the American companies delay or steal payments?
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WhiteSox: just compare BestEssays.com with any "legit American" company. I could put exactly the same points you mentioned above next to them (and add a few more).
I'll be happy to tear you a new one. Let's see your evidence.
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Oct 22, 09, 08:18PM
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There you are! Pls, WB, take this Yuri agent into your very capable hands as he is driving me crazy!
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He probably won't respond. He knows better.
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WhiteSox: How do you imagine to describe the qualifications of all writers in a 500-word web copy
"Our writers are all capable of writing papers in the English language that are free from errors in grammar and syntax, and that would not be rejected by professors at American and British universities as incoherent."
WhiteSox: If the hired writer is good and responsible there is no need to check for plagiarism.
Exactly. So why do so many foreign-owned sites brag about their plagiarism detection, and fine writers (instead of firing them) for plagiarism?WhiteSox
And if you tried to sell your dog for a small fortune claiming he had won all sorts of awards from non-existent international entities, you could be charged with fraud.
WhiteSox: It happens in all companies
wrong.
WhiteSox: 11) unjustifiably fining writers See above.
wrong again.
WhiteSox: In this thread it was PROVEN than they ALSO hire AMERICAN WRITERS
It was "proven" that they hired at least ONE American writer--me. And I quit in less tan a year. Or did you miss that part?WhiteSox: What kind of tests do American companies do? Do they call their former professors for references or tell them to write a 5-page paper for free?
I had to submit writing samples to the American company I work for, provide them with verification of my ID and academic qualifications, and sign a legal contract that I wouldn't plagiarize, etc. Never did any of these things for a foreign company.WhiteSox: Again, your biggest advantage is your excellend command of English
Not your use of logic, ability to fully comprehend complex topics, or stay focused during an argument.
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WhiteSox: Dude, I think you're out gunned here. Make for the hills. But thanks for setting up some inspired banter.
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WhiteSox: Besides, the BestEssays owner lives in the UK.
Why do you make such stupid, sweeping and unverified statements? Why don't you read the other posts? You'll find countless posts that have verified evidence against these sites. I certainly hope research is not your line of work... because you suck at it!
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Essayscam is a Loss Project. It fails to defame these companies. Don't worry you all are losers!!!
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WhiteSox: In this thread it was PROVEN than they ALSO hire AMERICAN WRITERS. Did you miss that point?
Certainly you are a fool. You failed to perceive the real nature of these people like WRT, WB, etc. They are the pet d**of an unknown essay writing company. That's why they bark so earnestly. One day you will leave this forum but they will never. They will come again and again in different usernames to defame these companies. Look what Essaywriter.net says:
We are aware of some of the comments and the discussions lead online.
Sometimes these are competitors that are trying to discard our reputation by
using dirty ways, accusing us of being not legit and unfair to our
employees.
We have been successfully operating for a long time now and do consider our
writers our main asset. On the other hand we do value our reputation and
keep a close eye on the policy adherence. Some of these threads are also
leads of former writers who were violating the policy of the company
(submitting low quality works, plagiarizing, compromising the company by
their negative posts online). We guess, this is the way they express their
negative attitude to the fact. We do value every writer and are ready to
give a chance for improvement, but when the writer abuses this possibility,
we have no choice but to protect ourselves. We sincerely hope that
cooperation with us will be successful and enjoyable.
You can buy these people for some bucks. Then they will bark for you. Also let me get to a point, why will you not be able to post news of scams against ukessay or some other companies? Can you speak of the hideous practice of this company publicly? Polish Translation LLC itself is not an UK company. So it is very possible that they are from some non USA or UK competitors of Essaywriter.net. May be it is custompaper.com. I believe that this post will be deleted before you see, because they will not let you discover the truth.
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I have a lot to say, but I can't. I am afraid of their vengeance. These heinous creatures, WRT, Coocklejoe etc threw me out of AR.
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Fracturegang: Also let me get to a point, why will you not be able to post news of scams against ukessay or some other companies?
Your point is pointless: ) - http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/index.php?phrase=ukessay&searchType=0&where= 1&forum=&action=search&searchGo=1
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Major: Your point is pointless
OK, can you speak of the hideous practice of Essayscam.org? If you can assure me, I will kick WB and WRT out of this forum? They must lose their jobs in Essayscam.
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Fracturegang: OK, can you speak of the hideous practice of Essayscam.org? If you can assure me, I will kick WB and WRT out of this forum? They must lose their jobs in Essayscam.
I could try to answer you, but I don't understand what you mean by "the hideous practice of Essayscam.org"? Could you explain it please?
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Major: the hideous practice of Essayscam.org
Sorry I mean the hideous practice of WB, WRT, etc in Essayscam. WB, WRT, etc are employed by some essay companies to defame their competitors. If I start a new thread to unveil these rouges, will Essayscam allow me to do this? So far I know Essayscam allows only those threads that defame the essay writing companies.
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I guess everyone who is posting here has some motive to do it. Some posters are prospective or current clients, others are writers, others are business owners, the rest may be interested in this industry for another reason.
But I doubt anyone is being paid for posting here. Some posters may to try to persuade the public about something, but it's still their personal opinion. As you may have noticed, there are also counter opinions (which are equally persistent) and that's how forum discussions work. I disagree about 'the hideous practice' because everything that is posted is available to the public, it's not hidden :).
Fracturegang: If I start a new thread to unveil these rouges, will Essayscam allow me to do this?
There are multiple threads on all kinds of companies, both 'foreign' and 'non-foreign.' If you have a legit complaint and can provide evidence, I see no reason why it wouldn't be allowed to be discussed here.
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Fracturegang: WB, WRT, etc are employed by some essay companies to defame their competitors. If I start a new thread to unveil these rouges, will Essayscam allow me to do this?
Bring it on, cretin.
Major: If you have a legit complaint and can provide evidence
That will never happen. The fraudsters and criminal simpletons never provide evidence to support their moronic accusations. They lie here just as much as they lie on their sites. They are utterly incapable of honest discourse.
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WritersBeware: Bring it on, cretin.
Just wait for few days. I will drive you, rats, out of this forum. Unfortunately I cannot prevent your another entrance with different guises. I guess, you, cyber criminals, are from some Pakistani companies or may be, from some others.
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WhiteSox: In this thread it was PROVEN than they ALSO hire AMERICAN WRITERS. Did you miss that point?
So what if they do? You're the one who seems to be missing the point.
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What is the definition of honesty for you? Hiding your true identity, it is your honesty to run this Goebbels propaganda against this companies? If you have the gutt, disclose your true identity and address, I will file a case against you in your court for your forgery?
You disclosed the fake addresses of lot many companies (as if it is your business), now disclose yours, Wild Bus***.
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Fracturegang: I guess, you, cyber criminals, are from some Pakistani companies or may be, from some others.
So now you are accusing other people of criminality based on an assumption of their nationality? Isn't this what you were complaining about?
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Fracturegang: Just wait for few days. I will drive you, rats, out of this forum. Unfortunately I cannot prevent your another entrance with different guises. I guess, you, cyber criminals, are from some Pakistani companies or may be, from some others.
LOL!!! You're funny!
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