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Why some of you people are so aggressive against them? There are many companies that use foreign-based customer service (like IBM, Intel, Google, Sprint, Verizon, Dell, Nike to mention a few) and nobody is so aggressive against those companies. When I sometimes talk to a customer service I don't understand their English language but at the same time I don't go and post sh*t about them or dont' call them liars or scams!
The fact a customer service person or even the whole company isn't based in the US or other Western country doesn't make the company a fraud. So what they have a PO box as a business address - is there actually anyone here who actually ever visited an office of a essay writing website? Why would you even need a physical address, writing and research companies work online only. Nobody goes to shop for essays like they do when shopping in Walmart.
Get over it, there are many websites competing against each other, but it doesn't mean they should throw s*it at one another. What other industry does that?
What "crime" (other than not posting their physical address but a PO box or sporadic hiring ESL writers like most companies do) have they done? That the owner is Russian or Pakistani? Is it a crime?
Besides, if a person was really scammed, there are laws and regulations that allow to easily get his or her money back. There is customer protection law in place so if you order a paper and don't receive it you can call your bank to get the money back. It's as simple as that.
So please stop those little wars and get back to business or get out of business if you cannot stand your competition.
I was going to be hired as a writer but working in this industry seems like being in mafia. Who needs that?
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Oct 21, 09, 05:25PM
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White Sox, get your facts straight or put a sock in it! Don't come here and accuse us of being xenophobes. If lying to customers is alright in your book, well ...
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WhiteSox, please learn how to read. Your fraud-defending argument has already been crushed 100 times in other threads.
Isn't it odd how only other, foreign fraudsters (mostly ESL speakers) defend the crooks?
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| WRT |
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Oct 21, 09, 05:32PM
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WritersBeware: foreign fraudsters (mostly ESL speakers)
Yes, StinkySox is very ESL. Probably affiliated with Alexei, Yuri or Eugene
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Oct 21, 09, 05:34PM
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Come on, each and every company stretches the truth because they write an ad copy. There is absolutely NO ONE LEGIT company that has 100% true text on their website. And that applies to each and every website out there.
The same scenario is with TV ads and still nobody believes 100% such ads. An ad in itself always stretches the truth and only a fool would try to point out inaccuracies or in an commercial ad because there will always be inaccuracies in an ad.
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Oct 21, 09, 05:36PM
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WRT: When I sometimes talk to a customer service I don't understand their English language but at the same time I don't go and post sh*t about them
I do. I have nothing against farming out customer service to save costs as long as they still provide SERVICE, but when they cannot be understood, cannot help you with anything because they work at a giant call center and not actually at the company you're calling, and are rude (and this is not true of all foreign call center workers, but many), I get pissed--and as a paying customer, I have a right to.WhiteSox: The fact a customer service person or even the whole company isn't based in the US or other Western country doesn't make the company a fraud.
No, it doesn't. But claiming that you are located in one country when you actually only have a PO Box there DOES make you a fraud, by definition (look it up).
WhiteSox: Get over it, there are many websites competing against each other, but it doesn't mean they should throw s*it at one another. What other industry does that?
Computers and politicians come instantly to mind.WhiteSox: What "crime" (other than not posting their physical address but a PO box or sporadic hiring ESL writers like most companies do) have they done? That the owner is Russian or Pakistani? Is it a crime? Besides, if a person was really scammed, there are laws and regulations that allow to easily get his or her money back. There is customer protection law in place so if you order a paper and don't receive it you can call your bank to get the money back. It's as simple as that.
Your naive statement provides the answer to your disingenuous question. I would like to see you get your money back from a Pakistani or Ukrainian company that provided you with substandard work--credit card companies don;t just reverse charges because you tell them to, and its often "buyer beware"--if these companies delivery anything at all, the credit card company often won't reverse charges, and there's no way for you to pursue these companies legally without flying to the Ukraine or Pakistan and filing suit--and even then, your odds aren't good. As a writer, your options are even worse--there's virtually no way to force these companies to pay what they owe.
WhiteSox: So please stop those little wars and get back to business or get out of business if you cannot stand your competition.
Your English skills do not provide a great deal of competition for customers who want quality work.WhiteSox: I was going to be hired as a writer
Scary.WhiteSox: Who needs that?
So, why are you here?
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Oct 21, 09, 05:37PM
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WritersBeware: Isn't it odd how only other, foreign fraudsters (mostly ESL speakers) defend the crooks?
No, I don't defend "the crooks," I just noticed how some of you use stereotypes to defend your arguments.
Like someone called me "very ESL" then it means I'm a fraud or Ukrainian scam. Get over it, that's not how it is.
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Oct 21, 09, 05:40PM
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WhiteSox: someone called me "very ESL"
This isn't a stereotype; it's a fact that is evident in your writing. It wouldn't matter in most cases, but when the subject is professional proficiency in English, I think it's pretty on-point.
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Oct 21, 09, 05:43PM
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pheelyks: I do. I have nothing against farming out customer service to save costs as long as they still provide SERVICE, but when they cannot be understood, cannot help you with anything because they work at a giant call center and not actually at the company you're calling, and are rude (and this is not true of all foreign call center workers, but many), I get pissed--and as a paying customer, I have a right to.
Right, but do you call them "frauds" or "criminals"? Have they stolen your identity or credit card details? Probably not.
pheelyks: But claiming that you are located in one country when you actually only have a PO Box there DOES make you a fraud, by definition (look it up).
What do you mean by "you"? One company usually has one or two owners and hire dozen of freelance writers and managers from different countries.
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Oct 21, 09, 05:46PM
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This quote: pheelyks: WRT: When I sometimes talk to a customer service I don't understand their English language but at the same time I don't go and post sh*t about them
Not me! English horrid ... it's StinkySox:
WhiteSox: When I sometimes talk to a customer service I don't understand their English language but at the same time I don't go and post sh*t about them or dont' call them liars or scams! |
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Oct 21, 09, 05:49PM
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Sorry, WRT...the board's been doing that sometimes; not sure how. I certainly didn't think you said this, nor did I mean to imply it.
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WhiteSox: What do you mean by "you"? One company usually has one or two owners and hire dozen of freelance writers and managers from different countries.
You can try splitting hairs if you want, but it's pretty transparent. If Toyota claimed that it's cars were made in the US and Japan when they were actually being hammered together by people in Nairobi who were hired by offices in the US and Japan, that's dishonest.
In this industry, Ukrainian owners (these are the people I used to work for) pretend they are American/British, and say that their writers are from the US/UK, when in fact they hire people from India, Africa, and anywhere else that people are willing to complete orders for 2-3$ a page. This wouldn't be problem if their English was good enough, but it isn't.
These owners LIE in order to attract customers, and deliver a product that they KNOW does not live up to their advertised quality and qualifications. THSI IS FRAUD, any way you want to slice it.
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Oct 21, 09, 05:53PM
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WhiteSox: What do you mean by "you"? One company usually has one or two owners and hire dozen of freelance writers and managers from different countries.
Gee, you seem pretty well informed for someone who was almost hired but decided not to be a part of this industry.
It's fairly obvious you work for a foreign scam site; I know your English is bound to be bad, but you don't have to show off your stupidity with this kind of slip, too.
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Oct 21, 09, 06:05PM
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pheelyks: You can try splitting hairs if you want, but it's pretty transparent. If Toyota claimed that it's cars were made in the US and Japan when they were actually being hammered together by people in Nairobi who were hired by offices in the US and Japan, that's dishonest.
I know for a fact some Toyota trucks are made in Mexico.
pheelyks: In this industry, Ukrainian owners (these are the people I used to work for) pretend they are American/British, and say that their writers are from the US/UK, when in fact they hire people from India, Africa, and anywhere else that people are willing to complete orders for 2-3$ a page. This wouldn't be problem if their English was good enough, but it isn't.
IF it was as bad as you claim, do you think these companies would still be in existence after having done business with American or British clients for the last several years? You sound as if all their orders were unacceptable. If that was really the case these companies would have enough complaints to be shut down. But that's not the case.
You said you were hired by one of these companies and then say they only hire Indians, Africans, or other ESL writers. Unless you are from one of these countries you prove that they are in fact telling the truth and also hire American writers.
pheelyks: It's fairly obvious you work for a foreign scam site;
So you worked for a "foreign scam site" - you must be a scammer and fraudster too. This is where your stereotypic thinking may take you.
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Oct 21, 09, 06:07PM
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Black Sox Scandal
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WhiteSox: I know for a fact some Toyota trucks are made in Mexico.
Yeah, and would you like to place a bet on exactly how long it will take me to post proof of exactly where and how Toyota openly admits such?
WhiteSox: F it was as bad as you claim, do you think these companies would still be in existence after having done business with American or British clients for the last several years?
They are constantly making new sites in order to dodge the dismal reputation that individual sites rightfully earn.
WhiteSox: You said you were hired by one of these companies and then say they only hire Indians, Africans, or other ESL writers. Unless you are from one of these countries you prove that they are in fact telling the truth and also hire American writers.
The sites (like EssayWriters.net and Academia-Research.com) that the fraudsters use to attract writers do not openly advertise that the owners are crooks and liars from Ukraine who actually pay writers in peanuts.
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Edited by: WhiteSox Oct 21, 09, 06:15PM
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Ok, so which essay research website in your opinion is a classic example of a scam website? I'd like to visit it and then ask you some questions.
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Oct 21, 09, 06:16PM
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By the way, has anyone else noticed how much more sane, organized, and focused the forum has become (minus the antics of a few idiots) ever since a certain "EW" fan blessed us with his departure?
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Oct 21, 09, 06:18PM
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WhiteSox: Ok, so which essay research website in your opinion is a classic example of a scam website? I'd like to visit it and then ask you some questions.
You've been here for 5 minutes. You're the one making false accusations. I have nothing to prove to you, as I've already posted concrete, verifiable proof in numerous threads.
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Oct 21, 09, 06:23PM
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WhiteSox: I know for a fact some Toyota trucks are made in Mexico.
Cool. Way to miss the point.
WhiteSox: If that was really the case these companies would have enough complaints to be shut down.
There are always new customers, and no amount of complaints can shut down a company in some countries--only a lack of revenue will do that.WhiteSox: You said you were hired by one of these companies and then say they only hire Indians, Africans, or other ESL writers.
I never said "only." Even if they hired ten US/UK writers, that wouldn't make the claim that all of their writers were native speakers true. I know ten seems like a big number, but there are even bigger ones you have to go thorugh before you get to "all"--like eleven, twelve, and more.WhiteSox: So you worked for a "foreign scam site" - you must be a scammer and fraudster too. This is where your stereotypic thinking may take you. |
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Oct 21, 09, 06:28PM
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Seriously, I'd like to see a 'classic scam website' example. Is MasterPapers.com a good example of such site? Or BestEssays.com?
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Oct 21, 09, 06:30PM
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WhiteSox: Or BestEssays.com?
That's a good one to start with.
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"some of you people..." and you know exactly who you are... too great. someone put WhiteSox in charge!
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Oct 21, 09, 06:45PM
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pheelyks: That's a good one to start with.
OK, I see their contact numbers (US/UK landline phones and fax):
Our Contacts
Us Sales Toll-Free:
1-800-346-9168
US Support Toll-Free:
1-866-337-9866
US Support:
1-302-289-3168
UK: 44-20-022-7240
Fax: 1-302-450-4197
Are these numbers fake, do they exist or not? I'm almost sure they are operational. Live chat support is also working.
A scam company wouldn't post their landline phones (and if they do, they would not be working).
What have I missed? I don't think it's a fraudulent website run by criminals who want to scam innocent students.
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WhiteSox: A scam company wouldn't post their landline phones (and if they do, they would not be working). What have I missed? I don't think it's a fraudulent website run by criminals who want to scam innocent students.
Those phone numbers are fake. They are virtual numbers acquired from an online forwarding service. Victims call the advertised number, which automatically (and secretly) forwards to the real landline in Ukraine or elsewhere. The customer never has access to the real number.
Heck, the owners of MasterPapers.com own/owned a site (FastCompanyFormation.com) that specializes in helping foreigners set-up shell companies in the US for the specific purpose of fooling American customers. Not surprisingly, Alexei disabled FastCompanyFormation.com after I first exposed it in this forum.
You might as well stop while you're behind, because there is absolutely nothing that you can post to win this argument.
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WB already explained the details. I wouldn't call the numbers "fake," but they are misleading. Anyone can purchase an 800 number and have calls forwarded anywhere else in the world. The fact that they have both a US and a UK phone number is pretty clear evidence of this, unless you think the company actually has offices in both countries.
By the way, UK companies have to put a physical address on their homepage--where is this at bestessays?
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Oct 21, 09, 07:05PM
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I thought a fraud is someone who takes your money, runs away, and hides. Even if they use call forwarding there must be still a real person behind it who paid for the services, for the mailbox etc.
A consensus is that we know who are the company owners and even where they live, don't we? IF they were criminals or FBI was looking for them it would be easy to find them. But that's not the case, isn't it? THey are not hiding in mountains because they don't have too. Is there any court order against them?
Why in the first place would you call them frauds or criminals if you don't have any legal order? Is it even legal to call someone a criminal if they are legally innocent?
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I'm not saying that these scam companies don;t exist at all, or that they just take your money and run away with it. They take your money, give a tiny portion of it to a writer in the developing world, and tell you to go f*ck yourself when you demand a better paper or a refund.
When you are a writer, they either refuse to pay you outright, or more often make up a huge list of excuses as to why they can't pay you.
Of course, this argument is largely pointless since you obviously have an agenda and aren't here to listen to reason, not that you would recognize it if it sat on your lap and wiggled.
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pheelyks: WB already explained the details. I wouldn't call the numbers "fake," but they are misleading.
By "fake," I mean that the fraudsters present the numbers under false pretenses as a means to enable fraudulent transactions. Of course, the numbers are "real," but they don't connect to the people or location that customers are falsely led to believe. If customers knew the truth in advance, they would never pick up the phone.
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WhiteSox: I thought a fraud is someone who takes your money, runs away, and hides
Well, you thought wrong. No surprise there. Get a dictionary.
WhiteSox: A consensus is that we know who are the company owners and even where they live, don't we?
Who is we, where is this consensus, and who is they?
WhiteSox: Why in the first place would you call them frauds or criminals if you don't have any legal order?
I don't have a court order certifying you as a moron, but I have enough evidence to make up my mind on that fact, The same is true for companies that promote obvious lies. If I stopped you on the street and took your money by force, are you saying it would be wrong to call me a thief until after you had taken me to court?
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WritersBeware: By "fake," I mean that the fraudsters present the numbers under false pretenses as a means to enable fraudulent transactions. Of course, the numbers are "real," but they don't connect to the people or location that customers are falsely led to believe.
I know what you meant of course. You know me; I'm a stickler for details.
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pheelyks: They take your money, give a tiny portion of it to a writer in the developing world, and tell you to go f*ck yourself when you demand a better paper or a refund.
It's not illegal to pay writer what they want (uless the writer is their slave, but that's not the case).
I'm sure you've just made up this thing about 'go f*ck yourself.'
WritersBeware: By "fake," I mean that the fraudsters present the numbers under false pretenses as a means to enable fraudulent transactions. Of course, the numbers are "real," but they don't connect to the people or location that customers are falsely led to believe.
But the system allows anyone in the world to use this forwarding feature as they wish, doesn't it. If it was ILLEGAL such system would not work this way. But it is legal and many companies do it.
WritersBeware: fraudulent transactions
Does it mean they use stolen credit cards? How can a transaction be "fraudulent" if a person (the card holder) willingly pays for it?
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pheelyks: Who is we, where is this consensus, and who is they?
Hasn't Yury or Alexy (?) posted here? They live in the UK, don't they? They don't hide in the mountains. IF they are criminals, they are easy to find, aren't they? Maybe you need to get a dictionary to read the definition of a criminal?
pheelyks: I don't have a court order certifying you as a moron, but I have enough evidence to make up my mind on that fact, The same is true for companies that promote obvious lies. If I stopped you on the street and took your money by force, are you saying it would be wrong to call me a thief until after you had taken me to court?
So you THINK they are doing something illegal, but the courts and business organizations don't think so (if they did, they would shut them down).
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Whitesox, you can't be as stupid as you're pretending, I know you're enjoying the feeling that you're winning an argument, but you're the only one that thinks so. I'll explain this one more time, then I have a life to get back to:
Let's pretend I'm a real person, with a real phone number. I put up an ad in another country with that real phone number and tell people to call me if they want their car washed. They pay me with a credit card over the phone. That night, it rains. I tell them that I'm done washing their car.
They ask for their money back. I say, "I washed your car." They say, "That isn't what I wanted when I paid for it." I say, "Oh."
They call their credit card company, but because I claim to have provided the service they paid for, the credit card company won't reverse the charges. The only way for them to get their money back is to sue me in my own country, where there is actually some jurisdiction over my finances.
Real people, real phone numbers, real credit cards, real purchases that people intended to make, real fraud. If you honestly don't understand this, you're real stupid.
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WhiteSox: if they did, they would shut them down
First, some companies have been shut down. Second, courts don't go out looking for frauds--people have to file complaints and/or lawsuits for this to happen. The difficulty of doing this internationally has already been explained. Third, what business organizations are you talking about? Do you think there's some sort of oversight on the essay writing industry?
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WhiteSox: It's not illegal to pay writer what they want
It is illegal, however, to falsely advertise a grossly inaccurate "average rate of pay" and countless other lies in order to attract writers.
It is illegal for Yuri to advertise that BestEssays.com and EssayWriters.net have been online "since 1997" when his oldest site was registered in late 2003. I could go on and on, but I've already done so in previous threads.
WhiteSox: If it was ILLEGAL such system would not work this way.
Owning a handgun isn't illegal until you shoot somebody with it (absent of self-defense).
WhiteSox: How can a transaction be "fraudulent" if a person willingly pays for it?
I suggest that you familiarize yourself with basic, American law. Any transaction or contract that is based in fraud and/or misrepresentation will be rendered void.
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WritersBeware: It is illegal, however, to falsely advertise a grossly inaccurate "average rate of pay" and countless other lies in order to attract writers.
This is an AD copy. Car dealers legally advertise they have a new BMW for $15K (and in fact they may have but only one, but not all cars at that price).
WritersBeware: It is illegal for Yuri to advertise that BestEssays.com and EssayWriters.net have been online "since 1997" when his oldest site was registered in 2005.
Is this a criminal offence? They could say their writer first used an email account (ie. first got online) in 1997 and that claim won't be illegal.
WritersBeware: Owning a handgun isn't illegal until you shoot somebody with it.
Now they killed anyone?
WritersBeware: Any transaction or contract that is based in fraud and/or misrepresentation will be rendered void.
If that was the case, every product or service would qualify for a refund. Because "Misrepresentation" is in the eye of beholder. If car dealer writes in his ad that his BMW is very comfortable and I purchase it and after a few months I claim the car's seat aren't that comfortable, will I get my money back? You pick on issues which are as absurd as my examples.
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WhiteSox: Now they killed anyone?
You are officially an idiot. Leave.
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Besides, the BestEssays owner lives in the UK. So any talk about him or his company being "foreign" should be void. Probably the same applies to the other companies that are being slandered here.
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WhiteSox: Besides, the BestEssays owner lives in the UK.
Post proof or get lost.
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