| karencooper |
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Nov 1, 09, 06:17AM
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H guys not sure if this is ok to ask but i am wondering how much is average price to pay for a 2500 word paper? I have been quoted £240 by a site is that too much? Dont recomend sites to me, just please let me know if thats a good pirce of if i should be continueing to look??
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| WRT |
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Nov 1, 09, 06:43AM
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Karen, your info is incomplete.
Delivery Deadline
Grade
Academic Level
All these variables factor into the price.
I am not sure whether it is okay to post this info, though. Best to ask WB.
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| karencooper |
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Nov 1, 09, 09:25AM
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Thanks, iLl try to be more specific. I wnat a 2500 word paper for second year film studies. Its got to be in on 11th november (that is a week on wednesday) but i would like to have it on the 9th (that is a week tomorrow). It must be 2.1 score. Do you think iI should go for £240 pounds?
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| rustyironchains |
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Nov 1, 09, 10:51AM
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anyone who tries to guarantee you a grade is lying.
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| rustyironchains |
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Nov 1, 09, 10:52AM
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the price sounds about right
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| pheelyks |
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Nov 1, 09, 11:00AM
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rustyironchains: anyone who tries to guarantee you a grade is lying.
bingo
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Nov 1, 09, 01:07PM
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Karencooper, you must recognize that most people here are not British. This is an American forum. We're more familiar with US dollars. You will receive help more quickly if YOU take the time to do the currency conversion for us.
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| karencooper |
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Nov 1, 09, 01:54PM
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Okay thank you
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| WRT |
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Nov 1, 09, 03:05PM
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rustyironchains: anyone who tries to guarantee you a grade is lying.
That's one of the things which has always bothered me. Where I work, we guarantee 2:1 quality, A-grade quality, etc. There are two problems with that. First, grading is subjective and I believe that this should be clarified. Second, as writers, aren't we just supposed to do our level-best and produce good work, irrespective of the grade ordered?
Question: were companies to remove the grade option, how would customers react?
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Nov 1, 09, 03:08PM
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Guaranteeing a grade—in ANY fashion—is illegal in the US.
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| pheelyks |
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Nov 1, 09, 03:17PM
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WRT: Question: were companies to remove the grade option, how would customers react?
Any customer with enough intelligence to be in college (not that all of them possess this) ought to know that there's no way to guarantee a grade on anything. What guarantee does your company offer? Is there actually any money offered back of the customer plagiarizes your paper (i.e. turns it in as their own work) and gets a B (or a 2:2)?
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| WRT |
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Edited by: WRT Nov 1, 09, 03:18PM
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WritersBeware: Guaranteeing a grade—in ANY fashion—is illegal in the US.
I thought it would be. It goes against statements to the effect that we are providing models. Correction time :(
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| WRT |
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Nov 1, 09, 03:34PM
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pheelyks: Is there actually any money offered back of the customer plagiarizes your paper (i.e. turns it in as their own work) and gets a B (or a 2:2)?
That's it Pheelyks - customers are not (absolutely not) allowed to turn it in as their own. We do not tell them to reference our work properly but, very explicitly warn them against turning it in for academic credit, and clarify that they are only supposed to use it as a guide. However, when we guarantee grades, I believe this contradicts with that which we are warning against.
I could go on and on about how we mean that we are guaranteeing A-quality, etc., rather than the grade the marker would award them, but that would be a load of BS. Reason is that we have not explained that part clearly enough to customers. Thanks to all of you here, I have decided to go with what I feel is right. I will make that part about grades very very clear and plaster it all over the sites in large print.
Am worried about customer reaction, though. It is, however, a risk I feel we should take.
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| stu4 |
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Edited by: stu4 Nov 1, 09, 05:42PM
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WritersBeware: Guaranteeing a grade—in ANY fashion—is illegal in the US.
WRT: I thought it would be. It goes against statements to the effect that we are providing models. Correction time :(
Here I have to agree with WB and WRT, a good example of illegal activity:
"There are many different ways that a student can use a pre-written term paper in order to increase his or her grade or in order to understand how term papers should be written. A pre-written term paper will not only be complete and provide students with some useful guidance, but it may also serve as a basis for the student's own assignment.
Many students will buy or find free pre-written term papers that they plan to use with their courseworks. These pre-written term papers are generally available online through term paper databases. Students need to make sure that they are getting a well-written and high quality pre-written term paper if they choose to use it for a grade."
essaytown.com/writing/pre-written-term-paper
That may also insinuate the company knows and accepts the fact their papers will be used to earn an academic grade. Correction time?
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Nov 1, 09, 05:54PM
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Moron, you forgot to bold the text that sets the tone for what the writer MEANS:
stu4: in order to understand how term papers should be written. A pre-written term paper will not only be complete and provide students with some useful guidance, but it may also serve as a basis for the student's own assignment.
stu4: Students need to make sure that they are getting a well-written and high quality pre-written term paper if they choose to use it for a grade."
As clearly explained beforehand, the writer means that if the student intends to use the paper as a resource in helping to research and write his/her own paper, he/she should make sure that it's a quality paper (not some two-bit piece of ESL garbage, like you provide).
Seriously, drop dead, you filthy crook.
By the way, I'm going to laugh my ass off when your sites go the way of Axact's. You're screwing with the wrong people, kid. (FYI, the people to whom I refer are much more skilled and qualified than I am, and they have the financial resources to undertake any legal action that they deem necessary.)
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Nov 1, 09, 06:10PM
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Gee, isn't little Stewy Bruski a genius? He did a search in Google for "site:essaytown.com grade." Wow, very creative, indeed. How do I know this for a fact? One can see Google's yellow highlighting on the word "grade" in Stewy's screen capture.
What's curious is why Stewy picked the one page out of 220 that he could possibly twist in his crooked favor. Regardless, he still failed miserably, as usual.
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| WRT |
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Nov 1, 09, 06:24PM
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stu4: Students need to make sure that they are getting a well-written and high quality pre-written term paper if they choose to use it for a grade."
stu4: That may also insinuate the company knows and accepts the fact their papers will be used to earn an academic grade. Correction time?
I once asked you to think before you type. It was good advice but you chose to ignore it. Anyway, please allow me to walk you through this ...
All students use our services to improve their grades. Hence, most (I would say all) will use the model researches we provide "for a grade." Submitting the paper, as is, for academic credit is not, I repeat IS NOT, the sole method of usage for grade. There are others:
1) using the paper as a model for the composition of their own research, is using it for a grade
2) using the paper as a review of all the relevant sources on the topic, is using it for a grade (here the students will use the sources which we included in the research, thereby saving them the time of having to collect the sources themselves)
3) using and studying the paper for exam preparation purposes, is using it for a grade.
Stu4, there are countless ways of legitimately using the model researches we provide, for a grade. Your being completely attuned to the illegitimate and illegal usages, is interesting. That you were completely incapable of identifying the various legitimate ways in which a paper may be used for a grade, speaks volumes about your character and commercial operation.
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| WRT |
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Nov 2, 09, 06:14AM
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I want to clarify that by `we' I am referring to writers who serve as managers in this industry.
Stu4, I really want you to understand that our opposition to you and your company has nothing at all with your being Ukrainian. However you try to argue this, the irrelevancy of nationality remains an unchallanged fact.
Why are we opposed to you? Your business practices are not ethical and are harming the reputation of the entire industry.
You have faciliated the entry of absolutely unqualified `writers' into this industry. They are neither educated nor capable of researching and writing in English. These writers are ignorant of the fundamental principles of research, they plagiarise, produce sloppy work and, because of you people, have become the `face' of the industry. Many of the writer applications we reject are from people with top status at ResearchWritingCenter, AllWriting, EssayWriters and Academia-Research. You have debased our profession. Would it really have hurt you to exercise some hiring standards?
You cheat writers. I believe that some of your fines may be justified according to your guidelines but, that is not the issue. Why should you have a fining policy in the first place? Since when do professional writer-researchers make grammatical errors? Since when do they plagiarise? Were you hiring qualified writers, you would not need a fine policy. You, however, do not hire qualified writers but prefer to look for cheap, unqualified ones. Another thing which I seriously do not understand - why are you keeping on the writers who have been caught plagiarising and why, on earth, are you holding onto those who have proven, time after time, that they cannot write English? Again, you are debasing our profession and students, on the receiving end of horrid work, walk away with the impression that all are like you.
You cheat customers. You tell them that you your writers are all academically qualified when, in truth, many are undergrad students. You tell them that all your writers are Native English language speakers when all but a handful are very poor quality ESL. When you guys lie, we are all assumed to be just like you until we prove otherwise.
You lie about your achievements and create fictitious industry awards which you then give yourselves. This is both fraud and unfair competition.
You lie about your date of incorporation.
You lie about your home country.
You lie about the number of writers you have.
You lie about the number of orders you have fulfilled and customers you have served.
You engage in blatantly fraudulent advertising and marketing.
Your dishonesty affects all of us. You have brought the industry down and have played a seminal role in popular perceptions of our services as illegal. Our services are not illegal but because your activities are either in the grey or red areas, people assume that this has to be illegal.
When we oppose and fight you, we are not doing so because you are Ukrainian; when we support any and all efforts to close you down, we are not doing so because we fear competition; we are doing so because your business practices are unethical and directly harm all of us.
When your actions threaten our reputation and our economic interests, we will fight and expose you.
Stu4 - look towards your practices and clean up your act; do not try to present this as an anti-Ukrainian, anti-Asian, anti-competition or anti-ESL writers issue. It is not and you know it is not. Most here, despite your best efforts, know it is not.
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| rustyironchains |
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Nov 2, 09, 07:23AM
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illegal, sure; but this site mostly seems to deal with international websites with fake, if any, US offices.
the point is, professors grade randomly. they might give a 2:1 A paper a 2:2 B, just because they had a fight with their mistress. promising the customer the moon is a bad idea in this instance; it is like giving a retard a loaded weapon.
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| WRT |
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Nov 2, 09, 07:43AM
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rustyironchains: the point is, professors grade randomly. they might give a 2:1 A paper a 2:2 B, just because they had a fight with their mistress. promising the customer the moon is a bad idea in this instance; it is like giving a retard a loaded weapon.
Absolutely true. Not to mention the fact that they are not supposed to submit our work as their own.
Anyone care to guess the percentage who submit our work for academic credit? Most deny doing so but can't say I believe them.
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