| MeoKhan |
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Jan 9, 11, 03:34PM
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Hello everyone:
From Pakistan, I am a new member to EssayScam.Org. I must admit that common opinion of writers on this forum is straightforwardly "negative" for Pakistani writers.
Observed reasons: bad grammar, bad English, choppy sentences, etc.; (and a very demeaning "ESL" tag to their reference.)
I must acknowledge the fact that Pakistani writers do not use English as their native language. However, for your information, most of the writing-services companies do have Pakistani and Indian writers working for them.
I myself have written numerous papers for people residing in US, UK, etc. I am not hesitant to state that overall response to my work has been very positive.
Leaving all that aside, may I dare to ask my fellow writers here that if Pakistani writers are trying to make a living, is it bad and demeaning? Their bad "ESL" proficiency notwithstanding, they are still trying to make a difference.
How many of the English-speaking writers write in another language? Instead of criticism, I feel that we deserve credit for working in a different language. I hope my fellow writers will consider this point.
This post is only to make a valid point; however, I do expect some pointing to my "ESL"-ness.
Regards
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jan 9, 11, 03:41PM
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MeoKhan: they are still trying to make a difference
Yes, they are making a difference—for the worse. They—and other ESL writers—are almost singlehandedly responsible for the poor reputation of the entire essay writing industry in the US. American customers don't want or expect ESL sh*t when paying for what they are falsely led to believe are professional, American services!
MeoKhan: How many of the English-speaking writers write in another language? Instead of criticism, I feel that we deserve credit for working in a different language. I hope my fellow writers will consider this point.
This isn't about each Pakistani writer's personal achievements in language-learning. (You want praise for that? Go work for Rosetta Stone.) The problem is that so many Pakistani/Indian writers are utterly incapable/unwilling to accept their often glaring limitations in English language writing and be honest with American customers about those limitations.
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| MeoKhan |
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Edited by: MeoKhan Jan 9, 11, 03:50PM
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I totally agree that many writers do not possess a good command of the English language, which of course should not be acceptable.
However, my point is that not ALL have poor command of the language. Hence, the people posting on this forum should make an informed and just comment when referring to us.
And I do not mean to offend anyone here. All I mean is simply let people know that after all Pakistanis ARE working their way out.
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And as far as your comment that we "are almost singlehandedly responsible for the poor reputation of the entire essay writing industry in the US" is NOT valid. Don't be emotional, just try to understand:
1) The employers give them work despite their poor English.
2) They work for much less (which attracts the employers - and client for less amount).
3) Many of the writers from India and Pakistan are at par with any other writer in the world.
I hope this reply of mine has nothing offensive for you to USE bad language, which I regret because I have remained very formal and objective throughout.
Regards
MeoKhan
PS: I do agree with you that any writer must acknowledge their limitations which Pakistani writers should also do, and if they don't, it's not right.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jan 9, 11, 04:50PM
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MeoKhan: And as far as your comment that we "are almost singlehandedly responsible for the poor reputation of the entire essay writing industry in the US" is NOT valid. Don't be emotional, just try to understand:
Yes, it is valid. They know perfectly well that their FRAUDULENT employer(s) misrepresents their location, qualifications, cultural familiarity, and native language. Legitimate, American companies do NOT hire them.
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| pheelyks |
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Jan 9, 11, 05:58PM
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MeoKhan: I totally agree that many writers do not possess a good command of the English language, which of course should not be acceptable.
It's perfectly acceptable, as long as the customer knows what they're getting. No one should have any trouble understanding what you write in your posts, for example, but your writing still makes it very obvious that you are a foreign speaker (or writer) that does not have a complete grasp of the language. In many universities, especially in English classes (and depending on the teacher, in other areas), writing of this type would not be acceptable.
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| MeoKhan |
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Jan 10, 11, 01:47PM
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Thanks for your comments. Yes I believe the client must know the background of the writer (for professional honesty). At least I tell it out straight. I hope others get the point as well.
And I also hope to be accepted as a writer on this forum albeit being from a different culture :-)
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| Major |
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Jan 10, 11, 01:51PM
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MeoKhan: And I also hope to be accepted as a writer on this forum albeit being from a different culture :-)
I'm wondering why you don't write in your native language for Pakistani students. Don't you like your native language or something....?
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| MeoKhan |
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Jan 11, 11, 05:13AM
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Good point. At least I do write for local students. And I have three student-help books on my credit. And believe others do too (however to be honest, more money resides in the international market.)
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| MeoKhan |
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Jan 11, 11, 03:22PM
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Dear Writers:
I have now gained deep insight into what is really happening. The fact that many Pakistani people are working in writing services is a good sign; however it's also equally regrettable for them to fake their IDs. I believe if they have the quality, they don't need fake IDs, etc. I have joined this forum after I was stung by a fraudulent company :-(. It's here that I found so much scrap going to my country which I regret so much.
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| Justus |
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Feb 12, 11, 11:59PM
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MeoKhan: we deserve credit for working in a different language
Yes, you do
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Edited by: Justus Feb 13, 11, 12:04AM
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WritersBeware: American companies do NOT hire them
Can you list the American Companies?
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| padwan232 |
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Feb 13, 11, 03:49AM
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Yes please. Those that do not scam people. especially customers.
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| MeoKhan |
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Feb 14, 11, 09:35AM
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Justus: Can you list the American Companies?
I'm afraid I can't as it's against this forum's rules. However, if you put a bit of your time doing simple research on this forum, you will find a good many points of departure.
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| miladjuckel |
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Mar 14, 11, 02:36PM
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thanks
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 16, 11, 11:56AM
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I wonder who you're thanking and what for?
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| JG5769 |
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Mar 20, 11, 02:36AM
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I just need a coherent, professional put together paper to use as a guide to rewrite and add my own conclusions to. Why is this so hard to find?
s I have stated in another post. I don't wanat to verbatim, take what you send to me and turn around and hand in.
If I know the subject matter, then it is doable for me to review a paper, edit, add and rewrite in time to turn in.
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| DontBugMe |
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Mar 21, 11, 10:34PM
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I agree. I want to know what type of person is going to write my essay. It's the same as any other product. There's normally a "Made in xxx" label where xxx is the country.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Mar 21, 11, 11:16PM
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DontBugMe: I agree. I want to know what type of person is going to write my essay. It's the same as any other product. There's normally a "Made in xxx" label where xxx is the country.
Don't you know that you have no rights as a consumer? You don't know what's good for you. The people who are trying to defraud you know what's good for you.
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 29, 11, 02:26PM
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WritersBeware: what's good for you.
LOL!
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| pheelyks |
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Mar 29, 11, 02:32PM
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MeoKhan: WritersBeware: what's good for you. LOL!
The problem with limiting your communication to this kind of response is that we can't tell if you're agreeing with the cutting sarcasm evident in WB's post, or have entirely failed to perceive that sarcasm due to your poor grasp of English. Either way, it's a senseless post presumably meant to increase your positive presence here--a task at which it fails most admirably.
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 29, 11, 02:44PM
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pheelyks: it fails most admirably
LOL! Ph...why are you so conscious of my legit or illegit status on this forum? I know you've not forgotten the deep wound I gave you by pointing out your silly mistakes (not errors - I wonder if you have learned the difference between the two by now :-D) and shattered your fake pride of being a native speaker of a language that you yourself poorly know. LOL!
The above chunk clearly conveys whether I understand the sarcasm or not.
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Mar 29, 11, 02:51PM
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That's a perfect description of your average post.
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| Lazy Skeptic |
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Edited by: Lazy Skeptic Mar 29, 11, 02:57PM
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Listen i am a pakistani too, but born in the UK, and when i order an essay, the last person i want writing it is a foreigner. Everybody expects their essay to be written by somebody who is a graduate of the country they live in, not somebody who is in pakistan.
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 29, 11, 03:06PM
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I get your point. However, I wonder why the companies do not inform their customers about the origins of their writers.
Although my "English skills" - to borrow from Pheelyks, the Aristotle of the 21st century - are different, I do not have any problem in saying my country of origin and that English is my 2nd language.
I have never lied to anyone about these things. I hope others do the same.
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 29, 11, 03:07PM
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WritersBeware: perfect description
Thank you! I deserve this appreciation :-D.
I must admit that my "English skills" are not the same as you. It's because it's my 2nd language. But I am always trying to improve it. I have learned a great deal from you all.
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| pheelyks |
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Mar 29, 11, 03:35PM
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MeoKhan: the deep wound I gave you by pointing out your silly mistakes
No wound, and nothing pointed out by you, either. As I recall, I provided actual definitions of "error" an "mistake," while you simply continue to make claims without providing any evidence.
MeoKhan: The above chunk clearly conveys whether I understand the sarcasm or not.
What's funny is that your belief in this statement actually makes it true. That is, the fact that you think your "chunk" conveys your understanding of sarcasm makes it clear that this understanding is non-existent.
MeoKhan: Although my "English skills" ... are different,
They are not simply "different," they are lacking.
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 29, 11, 03:42PM
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Sure. Nobody is perfect. I have openly admitted that my "English skills" - still to borrow from your scholarly vocabulary - are not strong and I am trying to learn. I hope it satisfies your arrogance of being a 'native speaker', who does not know how to start a sentence within a quote!
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 29, 11, 03:44PM
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Yes there is a wound, even a gash. It's been since that very day you've cyberstalked my every post!
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| Lazy Skeptic |
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Mar 29, 11, 04:11PM
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MeoKhan
I think it is you who is doing the stalking. Why are you even here. Get it through your head, nobody wants a foreign writer. GO AWAY.
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 29, 11, 04:13PM
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Lazy Skeptic: foreign writer
LOL! Lazy Skeptic - because you're from Pakistan I am sparing you!
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| Lazy Skeptic |
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Mar 29, 11, 04:16PM
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MeoKhan: because you're from Pakistan I am sparing you!
Don't do me any favours
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| MeoKhan |
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Mar 29, 11, 04:33PM
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Lazy Skeptic: Don't do me any favours
Ek to tum sust bhi ho or uper se shaki bhi. Tumhare sath to favor kerni hi pare gi mere bache!
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Apr 4, 11, 10:28AM
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@Meokhan
Do you think Lazy Skeptic got it? These are people who do not have proficiency in even one language and are quick to disparage others...
@Lazy Skeptic
Even if you do not want an Asian writer, I am cent per cent sure that you outsource your assignments to Asia only, albeit unknowingly. This is because you are not smart enough to differentiate a non-Asian web site from an Asian one.
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 4, 11, 01:18PM
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mayur_digitized: Do you think Lazy Skeptic got it?
LOL, I think he did!
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Apr 4, 11, 05:45PM
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Is it me, or do these Pakistani writers, who claim to be good writers, write a lot of, run on sentences, filled with many commas.
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Apr 11, 11, 03:12PM
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Meokhan,
Dont even bother, your english skills are great, do not concern yourself with keyboard warriors trying to prove themselves on the internet. Its not even arrogance, its plain stupidity. An intelligent person like yourself should not give heed to such peasantry.
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| pheelyks |
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Apr 11, 11, 03:17PM
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Meokhan hasn't posted here in a week, and his English is even worse than yours. How nice that we have another new member for whom logic and reality are meaningless.
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Apr 11, 11, 06:05PM
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If anyone is a "peasant," it's you.
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| MeoKhan |
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Edited by: MeoKhan Apr 12, 11, 01:49PM
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Pheelyks
Sorry I was too busy to keep in touch. Your problem is you have been nipped off-hand for making many a mistake and error - the difference between the two you still don't know. LOL!
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| MeoKhan |
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Apr 12, 11, 01:51PM
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pantherrush: a lot of, run on sentences,
LOL! Panther you really are a Panther in a rush!
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