What percentage of these sites are genuine?

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EW_writer		Jan 25, 09, 10:52PM \| #41
Joined: Jul 2, 07 Threads: 27 Posts: 2,239	WritersBeware: You also lie about your location, qualifications, and education, don't you? Yes, I lie about my location. No, I do not lie about my qualifications in as far as the degrees that I've earned and my areas of expertise are concerned. :) WritersBeware: Why don't you be a MAN and tell us your username on the site so that we can all review your fraud first-hand? Since when do taking stupid actions constitute as being a man? :P You think I'd want all my competitors to know what my username is? ^_^ My clients are exceedingly happy with my work and they pay me fairly. In my book, that's all that matters. :p

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Jan 25, 09, 10:58PM \| #42
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	If you're so proud of your fraud, why not have the guts to reveal your identity? EW_writer: My clients are exceedingly happy with my work and they pay me fairly. If that's the case, why not be honest for once in your life and tell us your username? After all, since you claim that dishonesty and deception do not matter to your existing clients, should you not assume that you will only gain MORE clients by revealing your username?

WritersBeware		Jan 25, 09, 11:03PM \| #43
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	WritersBeware: I challenge you to quote ONE claim that I have made that is a lie or untrue. Still waiting . . . .

EW_writer		Jan 26, 09, 12:48AM \| #44
Joined: Jul 2, 07 Threads: 27 Posts: 2,239	WritersBeware: If you're so proud of your fraud, why not have the guts to reveal your identity? Did your mother hit your head on the floor when you were a baby or something? I don't think it's very difficult to understand that I hide my identity so that people won't know that my sideline is providing excellent papers for students in unsuspecting universities. WritersBeware: If that's the case, why not be honest for once in your life and tell us your username? After all, since you claim that dishonesty and deception do not matter to your existing clients, should you not assume that you will only gain MORE clients by revealing your username? If I revealed my username, i would be exposing myself to other writers at essaybay who may be envious of my success. I don't think they can really do anything to stop me, but then why take chances? :p WritersBeware: I challenge you to quote ONE claim that I have made that is a lie or untrue. All your claims about essaywriters.net and essaybay.com are inconsequential to me. Whether or not they're actually true is something I do not care about since I've established well enough through experience that nothing you say or do will ever make a difference and I'm willing to bet that that will be a constant for years and years to come. :D You've stopped claiming that I'm an incompetent writer a long time ago after I kicked your arse more than a few times to prove it. Now you even go as far as to say that I'm actually the exception to your rule that ESL writers suck at writing professionally in the English language. Why would I want to dispute such claims? ^_^ Get it through your thick skull. I'm just here to torment you for kicks and to get some direct clients every now and then. ^_^

WritersBeware		Jan 26, 09, 01:19AM \| #45
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	EW_writer: after I kicked your arse more than a few times to prove it. Prove it. Show ONE example that you have EVER defeated me in ANY argument. You're all bullsh*t; no substance. By the way--I'm still waiting for you to PROVE that my posts are "not credible."

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Jan 26, 09, 01:39AM \| #46
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	EW_writer: Did your mother hit your head on the floor when you were a baby or something? Actually, yes, she did. Guess what! Similar to Spider-Man's radioactive spider bite and Hulk's gamma rays, it somehow gave me the superpower of being able to detect frauds and low-lives. It's no shock that my "fraud sense" tingles every time you post. EW_writer: If I revealed my username, i would be exposing myself to other writers at essaybay who may be envious of my success. LMAO! Even I was expecting a better excuse that THAT! You're utterly spineless. EW_writer: I've established well enough through experience that nothing you say or do will ever make a difference Really? Is that why your lying pals at Universal Research Incorporated (EssayWriters.net) were left with no choice but to change their fake address after I exposed their fraud? Is that why much of my irrefutable evidence--including governmental records--will almost certainly appear as official exhibits in the eventual lawsuit against them for consumer fraud, misrepresentation, unfair wage-garnishment, etc.? You can claim whatever you like, but I'll just sit back and smile. The more you insult and deny, the sweeter the long-overdue justice will be. EW_writer: You've stopped claiming that I'm an incompetent writer Wrong. I acknowledged that you are the exception to the rule as far as ESL writers in the essay industry is concerned. You take that as a complement? LMAO! I'm not surprised. By no stretch of the imagination are you a legitimate, professional writer in the English language. A legitimate magazine or newspaper in the US would NEVER hire you. The holes in your prose are glaring. Have fun trying to figure out why you're not hirable.

EW_writer		Edited by: EW_writer Jan 27, 09, 03:27AM \| #47
Joined: Jul 2, 07 Threads: 27 Posts: 2,239	WritersBeware: Actually, yes, she did. Figures.. ^_^ WritersBeware: Really? Is that why your lying pals at Universal Research Incorporated (EssayWriters.net) were left with no choice but to change their fake address after I exposed their fraud? Is that why much of my irrefutable evidence--including governmental records--will almost certainly appear as official exhibits in the eventual lawsuit against them for consumer fraud, misrepresentation, unfair wage-garnishment, etc.? You can claim whatever you like, but I'll just sit back and smile. The more you insult and deny, the sweeter the long-overdue justice will be. See you in the year 3000 when I guess all the long overdue justice might already come. You should hurry though.. before the Second Coming beats you to it. ^_^ Oh, but I'll make sure to remind you come year 2010 how you've wasted another year accomplishing nothing. ^_^ WritersBeware: Wrong. I acknowledged that you are the exception to the rule as far as ESL writers in the essay industry is concerned. Err.. and who ever said that I wanted to be anything other than that in as far as writing as a sideline is concerned? I'm no Faulkner and I've never claimed to be one. :) I'm just a small-time hustler who writes excellent termpapers and essays, creates stylish PowerPoint presentations, analyzes quantitative data using Excel and SPSS and crafts professional resumes for anyone wanting by night and has a legitimate job by day. ^_^

darklord		Edited by: darklord Feb 4, 09, 07:25PM \| #48
Joined: Feb 4, 09 Threads: 1 Posts: 2	So its safe to say that if your in a pinch and really need help that none of these sites are legit and cant even help a fellow out...I am running out of options. ; (

Help Needed		Feb 4, 09, 08:28PM \| #49
Joined: Feb 2, 09 Posts: 1	Dear Members, Greetings! I am not here to promote any website but I must say that a couple of days back I requested members on this forum for help, I required a paper urgently but I did not get the response that I thought I might get. I have been scammed by Academia once and I strongly feel that something must be done in order to stop their scam factory. I got my essay done by visiting a relatively new blog but it is a very trustworthy blog. The writers don't even ask for a full advance payment and complete the assignments at a very reasonable rate. The name of the blog is Honest Essays and the link is www.honestessays.blogspot.com I have a very good experience with these people and I would like the others also to try them. It would not matter to me if none of the members try it because I just wanted to tell about my experience, it is much better than getting repeated scammed and then regretting over the same mistake for days, the sooner we understand this the better.

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 4, 09, 09:05PM \| #50
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	honestessays.blogspot.com = ESL garbage, almost certainly from India (there are dead giveaways in the language) "Help Needed" = ESL owner of the ESL garbage

ForHelp		Feb 6, 09, 05:28AM \| #51
Joined: Feb 6, 09 Posts: 5	WELL WHEN IT COMES TO THE FACTS OF ESL, I CERTAINLY CONTRADICT MY OPINIONS. MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE GIVE ME THE LUXURY TO CLAIM THAT ESL WRITER IS NOT A GARBAGE AT ALL. I HAVE SEEN MANY POSTS WRITTEN BY ESL WRITERS HERE AND I CANT SEE THAT THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES IN STATING THEIR POINT OF VIEWS IN THE CONTEXT OF GRAMMAR, CLARITY OR COHERENCE IN THEIR SENTENCES. THOUGH I WILL CERTAINLY SAY THERE ARE SOME ROTTEN EGGS PRESENT WHO ARE NOT GOOD AND THEY CHEAT AS WELL, BUT THIS IS NO WAT TO STEREOTYPE THE WHOLE ESL COMMUNITY AS SCAMS OR SOMETHING ELSE. ENGLISH IS A LANGUAGE AND ANYONE CAN LEARN IT. THE DIFFERENCE IS HOW TO GET EXPERTISE IN THE LANGUAGE. THE SECOND LANGUAGE USERS HAVE DIFFICULTIES SOMETIMES BUT MOST OF THE TIMES IF THEY ARE COMPETITIVE, THEY CAN BE AS GOOD AS NATIVE.

FreelanceWriter	Writer	Edited by: FreelanceWriter Feb 6, 09, 10:08AM \| #52
Joined: Oct 8, 08 Threads: 3 Posts: 657	ForHelp: THE DIFFERENCE IS HOW TO GET EXPERTISE IN THE LANGUAGE. THE SECOND LANGUAGE USERS HAVE DIFFICULTIES SOMETIMES BUT MOST OF THE TIMES IF THEY ARE COMPETITIVE, THEY CAN BE AS GOOD AS NATIVE. Actually, even ESLs who are fairly fluent typically still use very awkward sentence structure and often make other subtle but very characteristic mistakes that no U.S. customers want in their work. Thanks for the demo...please keep posting.

humble		Feb 11, 09, 11:56AM \| #53
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	Hello everyone I have been associated with the online writing industry for about 2 years. I wanted to make a few points here. I do not intent to offend or provoke any one, just want to know what you people think. I very much agree with some of the members on the quality of papers written by ESL writers. I have worked for one such company that does hire ESL writers. I must say there are competent people everywhere. Some ESL writers write essays that are pretty OK as per the American Standards. The problem is that people think this is easy money so they jump in. And the reason why they stay there (atleast for sometime) is that not everyone who order papers is a native with good command over the language. So the bad/average quality papers are sold without complaints most of the time. And now the term ESL has become such a taboo that if some one genuinely admitted that they have ESL writers would mean inferior quality. I am also very concerned about ethics, can we use this forum to come up with a code of ethics for the industry. A code that would address concerns from every quarter, the faculty, the students, service providers (websites) and writers. P.S.I am new here and English is not my first language, but I feel I am reasonably proficient in it. humble

FreelanceWriter	Writer	Edited by: FreelanceWriter Feb 11, 09, 12:04PM \| #54
Joined: Oct 8, 08 Threads: 3 Posts: 657	humble: English is not my first language No kidding. humble: I am reasonably proficient in it. That's great for your personal communications, but when native English language speakers order essays, they don't want "reasonably proficient"; they want 100% fluency without any obvious signs of ESL-level "proficiency" which happens to be evident throughout your post above notwithstanding that it's not too bad for an ESL. As far as "ethical standards" for the industry, how about just starting with truth in advetising? Take all the business available from customers who don't mind ESLs writing for them but don't lie about it to deceive all the other customers who don't want their papers written by ESLs. Don't impose what you happen to believe about the quality of ESL writing on others because they have the ethical right to make that decision for themselves. How 'bout that?

humble		Feb 11, 09, 01:00PM \| #55
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	FreelanceWriter: I did not intend to impose my opinion, I just shared it. What makes you doubt my proficiency? I know one sounds cool by ridiculing ESL writers, what if i just wrote it to see how people react? And I want to take ethics beyond ESL and advertising. What level of assistance is ethical to provide? People even get their PhD dissertations done by ghost writers. How about sharing your opinion on this aspect? humble

FreelanceWriter	Writer	Edited by: FreelanceWriter Feb 11, 09, 04:13PM \| #56
Joined: Oct 8, 08 Threads: 3 Posts: 657	humble: I did not intend to impose my opinion, I just shared it. You expressed the opinion that ESL writers suffer from an undeserved bad reputation and that it shouldn't matter whether or not companies use them. In the context of a discussion topic about companies' not disclosing their use of ESLs, the inference seems to be that it's not unethical for them not to disclose that. I'm simply suggesting that many people don't share your opinion about ESLs at all and that's why it's unethical to deceive customers by denying using ESLs. humble: What makes you doubt my proficiency? Do you really need me to highlight every single thing in your prior post that makes it completely obvious that you're an ESL? I acknowledged that you write well for an ESL; you do not write well enough that it's not obvious to anybody who isn't and that's why customers have the ethical right to know the truth before they select a company. humble: I did not intend to impose my opinion, I just shared it...what if i just wrote it to see how people react? Well, in my "opinion," that would probably make you an idiot. Just sharing. humble: I know one sounds cool by ridiculing ESL writers Then we just have very different definitions of "cool." humble: And I want to take ethics beyond ESL and advertising. What level of assistance is ethical to provide? People even get their PhD dissertations done by ghost writers. How about sharing your opinion on this aspect? If you're asking me how I feel about students who misuse model essays by turning them in for credit, I think that's their business. It's unethical in terms of the grading curve; otherwise, I don't think it really matter for reasons I'm too lazy to detail here, especially since I'm already very familiar with all the counterarguments and I don't have the patience to address them as though this is the first time I've ever had the discussion.

humble		Feb 11, 09, 08:37PM \| #57
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	FreelanceWriter: There is a good number of people not living in the US who speak English as their second language but write in it as their first language. Though it may sound strange, it is a fact. I respect your "opinion". However I also doubt your writing skills :). I have been in this industry for quite some time now and know all the counter arguments. However, these arguments are pretty flawed. They contradict the way our services are marketed. If we write only model papers why not share them with the professors? why have this loophole? Why all the confidentiality? If we only provide model papers, we should be working under the patronage of colleges and in collaboration with the faculty. humble

humble		Feb 11, 09, 09:09PM \| #58
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	I think I forgot to mention that I agree with you that one should not hide location nor misguide clients regarding the origin of the service provider.

FreelanceWriter	Writer	Feb 11, 09, 09:32PM \| #59
Joined: Oct 8, 08 Threads: 3 Posts: 657	humble: I also doubt your writing skills :). How could you possibly have any basis whatsoever for "doubting" my writing skills? I have actual customer feedback on this forum from multiple customers who report A grades from my help and zero negative feedback. If you mean on the basis of our respective contribution to these exchanges, then you're completely delusional.

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 11, 09, 09:42PM \| #60
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	humble: I have been in this industry for quite some time now and know all the counter arguments. You may "know" them, but that certainly does not mean that you will win the argument. You're beating a dead horse--a dead horse that lost every race before being carted off to the glue factory. FreelanceWriter and I have repeatedly pummeled--with evidence, facts, and the tenets of basic morality--anyone who claims that the average, ESL writer's skills are equivalent to or better than those of the average, EFL writer; therefore, there's nothing wrong with ripoff companies intentionally misrepresenting their ESL writers' location and qualifications in order to fool American consumers. Funny--the only people who make such absurd suggestions are ESL writers and the owners of the ripoff companies, both groups of which PROFIT from the deception and fraud, with utter disregard for consumers' rights. I've never talked to or read about an American student who was HAPPY about having to decipher ESL garbage that he or she was falsely led to believe would be EFL brilliance.

humble		Feb 11, 09, 09:57PM \| #61
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	FreelanceWriter: :D lets not get personal. I do not doubt at all that you get good feedback. I already touched upon this point earlier. Many people who order their essays are not very good writers or have adequate understanding of linguistics. Your writing style is pretty reasonable so I would rate you on the higher side as far as writing style is concerned (not the content). If you need some feedback on your writing style let me know. I must also point out that my observation of your writing style is limited to only a few posts on this thread. I believe that you write even better when working on academic papers. Now are you interested in the ethics thing? Cheers!

WritersBeware		Feb 11, 09, 10:20PM \| #62
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	This is not a forum about student ethics. This is a forum about sites that ripoff consumers and/or freelance writers.

humble		Feb 11, 09, 10:55PM \| #63
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	WritersBeware: I feel there is a relationship between the two. Lack of ethics, standards and regulation are the reasons behind all the mess in this industry. There is so much of secrecy and confidentiality it only paves way for scams. I do have an account with essaywriters.net, I never wrote for them as one friend of mine never receive his money. I have also read much about them on this forum. Do you recommend any company to work for which will no discriminate on the basis of my location?

WritersBeware		Feb 11, 09, 11:24PM \| #64
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	humble: Lack of ethics, standards and regulation are the reasons behind all the mess in this industry. Only the fraudulent companies from Ukraine, Pakistan, Philippines, etc. are guilty. The genuine companies in the US, UK, and Canada abide by all ethical and legal guidelines. humble: Do you recommend any company to work for which will no discriminate on the basis of my location? None of the legitimate companies "discriminate" based on location. They weed out ALL unqualified writers, regardless of location.

humble		Edited by: humble Feb 12, 09, 12:07AM \| #65
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	What about India? * I missed a 't' in my previous post. not discriminate

eastside		Feb 12, 09, 11:05AM \| #66
Joined: Jan 9, 09 Threads: 1 Posts: 24	humble: What about India? * I missed a 't' in my previous post. not discriminate India as well

Allyson Holland Writer		Feb 13, 09, 11:46PM \| #67
Joined: Feb 13, 09 Posts: 5	I thought of stating that there are few students from this forum who asked my friend to write for them. We wrote for them and they were more than happy with our work. I think it is a good idea to work for yourself, especially when you are educated from a foreign university with good grades. I write for students and now have my own blog for this. http://academic-writing-services-for-u.blogspot.com/

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 14, 09, 01:34AM \| #68
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	academic-writing-services-for-u.blogspot.com = UNTRUSTWORTHY, ESL GARBAGE

humble		Feb 14, 09, 01:08PM \| #69
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	Allyson Holland Writer: ESL GARBAGE I m going into a depression :(

eastside		Feb 14, 09, 01:20PM \| #70
Joined: Jan 9, 09 Threads: 1 Posts: 24	FreelanceWriter: I have actual customer feedback on this forum from multiple customers who report A grades from my help and zero negative feedback. Yes :D

Allyson Holland Writer		Feb 16, 09, 03:05AM \| #71
Joined: Feb 13, 09 Posts: 5	WB = Speaking bad about every company on earth. As per WB...is there any company which is good? And if it is then...WB certainly is an affiliate of it. Because WB has spoekn bad about 99.9999% companies of academic writing. WB has appreciated only one company on earth. Think for yourself can 99.9999% companies on earth be fraud? Check for yourself.

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 16, 09, 03:18PM \| #72
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	Allyson Holland Writer: WB = Speaking bad about every company on earth. Actually, no--just the ones that ARE low in quality and/or engage in one or more types of verifiable FRAUD. Listen, tough guy, put up or shut up. You want to claim that I'm wrong? Name a site that I have suggested is fraudulent/low quality but that you think is legit. I'll tear your IGNORANT assertion apart and show everyone EXACTLY why the site is GARBAGE. "Allyson Holland Writer" = another FRAUD with the same, false accusations without any proof whatsoever

paula_jineao		Feb 20, 09, 06:38PM \| #73
Joined: Jan 21, 09 Threads: 1 Posts: 13	I just stopped by to look at the thread I started and... WOW! Is there a single thread on this entire site that doesn't descend into this kind of petty, pointless crap? WB in particular, you go around and around in these ridiculous circles of anger and stupidity - if you directed all this energy somewhere more productive, you might actually find yourself with better things to do. Don't you sometimes feel like every single key you push on your keyboard is another step on the road to oblivion? Sorry, I just think this site could be useful if certain people stopped using it as a forum in which to exercise their egos. P.S. WB - I don't give a ** if there's a spelling or grammar mistake in this message, I don't give a if you think I'm a "newbie", and I don't give a ** if you think my original question was stupid.

Aftab Dhanani		Feb 26, 09, 05:50AM \| #74
Joined: Feb 26, 09 Posts: 8	I want to state here that Indian brains and Indian writers are really good. I am a writer and I work for myself. I have been writing papers since long and none of my written paper have scored less. Again Indian brains have won the academic race round the globe. You need to change your attitude towards Indian writers.

Lavinia		Feb 26, 09, 07:40AM \| #75
Joined: Aug 7, 07 Threads: 4 Posts: 546	Aftab Dhanani: Again Indian brains have won the academic race round the globe. Um, no. http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm

WritersBeware		Feb 26, 09, 01:39PM \| #76
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	Aftab Dhanani: I want to state here that Indian brains and Indian writers are really good. I am a writer and I work for myself. I have been writing papers since long and none of my written paper have scored less. Again Indian brains have won the academic race round the globe. Your post is all the proof we need that you (and others like you) suck the big one. Thank you.

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 26, 09, 01:43PM \| #77
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	Aftab Dhanani: Again Indian brains have won the academic race round the globe. That, my friend, is a knee-slapper! India's best university is only #315 in the world! LMAO! Proof: http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_D(EN).htm If India were on the academic world's football team, it would be the 314th-string quarterback.

humble		Feb 28, 09, 05:10PM \| #78
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	I am not an Indian. WB you are right. However I would like to bring in another perspective. Even though Indian universities are not rated well, Indian students are there in many good universities. It is like having one or two Indians in every team :D (they are so many) ========= IndiaDaily - 9 Indians in MIT top innovators' list 9 Indians in MIT top innovators' list. PTI November 09, 2004. It's been a good year for Indians abroad, with Bobby Jindal getting elected to the US Congress ... www.indiadaily.com/editorial/11-09c-04.asp

WritersBeware		Feb 28, 09, 05:25PM \| #79
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,684	Humble, American-educated Indians do not count.

humble		Edited by: humble Feb 28, 09, 05:35PM \| #80
Joined: Feb 11, 09 Threads: 2 Posts: 285	You have a point there. WritersBeware: Humble, American-educated Indians do not count. But why not? If they study at American universities they still use their Indian brains :D.

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