| WritersBeware |
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Apr 20, 07, 11:28PM
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Mr. or Ms. Rat, I've taken the time to review all of your posts. You seem to do nothing but post about Amy. I would suspect that nobody here cares about your personal beef with her. Why don't you just knock it off?
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| rat289 |
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Apr 20, 07, 11:37PM
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It would seem you didn't take the time to read all my posts... she too was making false claims against a company and I took the time, over two days, to disprove, with real evidence, all her claims... the posts you've reviewed about her are there as a warning to all who come to this site that statements from Amy may not be completely true, if at all. THAT is a bigger service to writers checking here for false sites than what this site is. I find it funny that right away anybody who has something positive to say about oversea essay sites there is always a group of very vocal "members" of this site to keep tossing out claims of wrong doing.
On the chance that the threads in question have been deleted I have copies of the posts and I'll be more than happy to fwd them to you... and it's MR.
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| WritersBeware |
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Apr 20, 07, 11:45PM
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I'll take the time to review her evidence if I ever feel the need. Right now, I don't care either way. I'm just not a fan of personal slagfests.
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| rat289 |
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Apr 20, 07, 11:55PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #43 I'll take the time to review her evidence if I ever feel the need. Right now, I don't care either way. I'm just not a fan of personal slagfests.
Me either. She took it that direction as she started having her lies and misinformation exposed.
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| Dylan |
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Apr 21, 07, 11:45AM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #41 Mr. or Ms. Rat, I've taken the time to review all of your posts. You seem to do nothing but post about Amy. I would suspect that nobody here cares about your personal beef with her. Why don't you just knock it off?
Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #44 I'll take the time to review her evidence if I ever feel the need.
Just out of interest, why did you "take the time to review all of your [rat289] posts" but only say you would "take the time to review her [Amy1978] evidence if I ever feel the need"?
Wouldn't it have been more balanced and open-minded of you to review the posts of both parties before dismissing Rat289's posts as "a personal beef" with Amy1978?
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| WritersBeware |
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Apr 21, 07, 12:39PM
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As I said, I read the threads of rat289 and amy1978. About 98% of Mr. rat's posts seem to involve personal attacks against amy1978. If I'm wrong, please tell me how.
I have skimmed some of Amy's evidence, and I must say that it is not nearly as false as Mr. Rat makes it out to be. Just for you Dylan, I'll review Amy's evidence and post my extended opinion. I do have a life, so I;m not making any promises about when that will be.
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| rat289 |
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Apr 21, 07, 01:23PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #46 As I said, I read the threads of rat289 and amy1978. About 98% of Mr. rat's posts seem to involve personal attacks against amy1978. If I'm wrong, please tell me how.
Uh... WritersBeware... what you are calling "attacks" were posts pointing out how her prejudice and bias made her suspect. She wouldn't stop trying to frame the same four pieces of "evidence" so the thread (which is in no way near 98% attack) turned toward her motives. I should also point out that I'm not the first or only member here to call her biased and prejudiced, like this debate, it took place on several different threads at once...
When you're checking into her "evidence" keep in mind the legal definition of sham... which is what she was claiming.
Sham: (noun): A fraudulent imitation: counterfeit, fake, forgery, phony. See true/false.
My objective was to prove or disprove her claims against the company's documentation (LLC, Adverts and such..)
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| WritersBeware |
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Apr 21, 07, 02:01PM
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Actually your objective was to play semantic games abtou what the definition of "is" is.
You have to keep mentioning that Amy1978's evidence is not "legally" correct because you nkow that it is morally and ethically correct.
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| rat289 |
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Apr 21, 07, 02:53PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #48 Actually your objective was to play semantic games abtou what the definition of "is" is. You have to keep mentioning that Amy1978's evidence is not "legally" correct because you nkow that it is morally and ethically correct.
FALSE—anything that is legally correct is morally and ethically correct too. Therefore, what is morally and ethically incorrect is most of the times illegal.
No semantic games here Semantics (Greek sēmantikos, giving signs, significant, symptomatic, from sēma (ῆ), sign) refers to the aspects of meaning that are expressed in a language, code, or other form of representation. Semantics is contrasted with two other aspects of meaningful expression, namely, syntax, the construction of complex signs from simpler signs, and pragmatics, the practical use of signs by agents or communities of interpretation in particular circumstances and contexts.-------------Just talking about factual considerations and the law.
In laymen's terms... the law is very specific with the rules of evidence and what constitutes a violation of the law. There is no room for personal feelings or personal morality... it is either illegal or legal. By that standard Essaywriters.net has done NOTHING illegal. Whether I agree with that statement on a moral level is completely irrelevant as my morality or my ethics does not meet the requirements of the rules of evidence. What is so hard for you and others like you to simply state opinions as opinions, feelings as feelings, facts as facts (supported with proof)? What are you hiding that you can't make that simple... morally correct and ethical concession? Why must you argue that your actions are right and just when YOU know them (actions I speak of) to be morally and ethically incorrect?
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Apr 21, 07, 03:03PM
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Quoting: rat289, Post #49 By that standard Essaywriters.net has done NOTHING illegal.
OK, so you won't mind if I prepare a summary of essaywriters's immoral and unethical practices right? Liek you, I appreciate full disclosure.
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| rat289 |
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Apr 21, 07, 03:17PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #50 OK, so you won't mind if I prepare a summary of essaywriters's immoral and unethical practices right? Liek you, I appreciate full disclosure.
Sure, go right ahead but then again morality is subjective. What you call immoral some would call moral. All the moral and immoral arguments involving essaywriters have been addressed in other threads, so you'd be wasting your time doing redundant work. What you appear to be missing is there has to be criminal intent... and there is none. Put simply, they claim to pay their writers for work that is acceptable and based on their criteria for "acceptable work" they do pay. Just as they claim they will provide orders for papers, they do as long as the criteria for "acceptable orders" is met. Their criteria is available to whoever wants it and it IS the consumer's and the contractor's responsibility to follow it... if they don't, the bad is on them... not the company... that is the law.
Now I'm not saying I agree with their business practices because I don't'. AS to the letter of the law, I just can't make the leap to say they are a "sham" because there is no evidence to support such a claim. Believe me, I have no problem building cases against companies and submitting them to the state's Attorney General... just give me REAL EVIDENCE or at the very least a tip worth following.
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| WritersBeware |
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Apr 21, 07, 03:25PM
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I don't think that 100% of the writers here and at other places are lying about their claims. I have seen many claims that essaywriters files bogus plagiarism charges in order to not pay the writer. When the writer asks for proof, essaywriters does nto respond. If you want, I'll search for the posts here and we can both ask those people to provdie more proof.
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| rat289 |
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Apr 21, 07, 03:37PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #52 I don't think that 100% of the writers here and at other places are lying about their claims. I have seen many claims that essaywriters files bogus plagiarism charges in order to not pay the writer. When the writer asks for proof, essaywriters does nto respond. If you want, I'll search for the posts here and we can both ask those people to provdie more proof.
No, don't waste your time searching posts... I never said EVERYBODY is lying. There are a number of posts by people who have been paid... some after making noise or call after call... but those posts were quickly called lies posted by essaywriter employees by Amy and a couple others. Another difference was that the authors of such posts were clear in conveying that their story was just that - their story.
What Amy was doing was going to these threads and putting in comments like "That's what essaywriters does, scam writers", "What do you expect from a company based in Ukraine" and my personal favorite "They don't even have an LLC on file". She would frame her opinions and distorted information as PROOF of criminal actions by essaywriters... that's what I had a problem with. That's what I set out to disprove - Amy's statements of fictional fact. Believe me WritersBeware, I would fight just as diligently if I came across a company doing the same. I have no allegiances here...
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| rat289 |
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Apr 21, 07, 03:54PM
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This is the point where I leave you for a bit to go enjoy the nice weather we're having today and to get some... ICE CREAM! I suggest you all do that... Ice cream is food from God!
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| Clara |
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Oct 13, 09, 03:29AM
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pls could you tell me about oxbridge essays, they are taking theior time getting back to me regarding masters dissertation?
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| WritersBeware |
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Oct 13, 09, 03:39AM
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Please don't respond to 2.5-year-old threads as if the last post were from yesterday.
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Oct 13, 09, 03:48AM
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WritersBeware: Please don't respond to 2.5-year-old threads as if the last post were from yesterday.
I want your honest opinion in my thread 'Stop the giant"
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Oct 13, 09, 01:15PM
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WritersBeware: Please don't respond to 2.5-year-old threads as if the last post were from yesterday.
Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it. Maybe, Clara wasn't reading the dates. Honest mistake, me thinks.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 13, 09, 01:24PM
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AsianWriter: Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it. Maybe, Clara wasn't reading the dates. Honest mistake, me thinks.
Firstly, she doesn't address the member to whom she is directing the question. Secondly, the issue is dead and buried. Thirdly, the other two members haven't posted in over two years.
Bottom line—new members should take a couple of minutes to judge the landscape before making a stupid post.
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Oct 13, 09, 01:35PM
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Fracturegang: I want your honest opinion in my thread 'Stop the giant"
Don't you ever quit? I know you were asking WritersBeware, but maybe I can give you my two-cents-worth...
First, you claim that the entire essay writing industry is an "illegal giant" and that we should "stop the giant". Then, later, you go on to say that you (and other ESL writers) should get a piece of this "illegal" industry, which, you claim, is being hogged by native English speakers.
Here's my question for you: If it is, as you say, illegal, then why would you want any part of it? It smacks of hypocrisy!
Another thing you don't seem to understand is that it isn't just your English skill that sucks. Your communication skills are worse. People have to struggle to understand what you are saying. I've seen "bad" English in this forum from ESL and native English speakers alike; but, at least, I understood what they were trying to say. With you, it's like "toothache" everytime I try to make an effort to understand you.
Dude, you need help!
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| AsianWriter |
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Oct 13, 09, 01:40PM
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WritersBeware: Bottom line—new members should take a couple of minutes to judge the landscape before making a stupid post.
Okay! That was just my opinion. You have a point, though. Everybody should "judge the landscape" before making any sort of post.
@Clara: This simply means, look before you leap.
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Nov 4, 09, 01:20PM
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rat289: FALSE—anything that is legally correct is morally and ethically correct too. Therefore, what is morally and ethically incorrect is most of the times illegal.
Not at all, hence we have equity in law and estoppel because sometimes strictly applying the law is not "morally or ethically" correct.
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