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Feb 2, 11, 07:13PM
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I've contracted with custom papers (very good) and SNR (not bad, but not the customer service like CP). The work I need is professional quality; always looking for that awesome co.
Just found www.mindtreewriting.com - seems simple but kind of quirky in a fun way, very U.S. I think I'll give them a try, though I would go back to CP or SNR, depending on time and need (CP tends to have a bit more polished work, thoughtful....though SNR is good too if one is in a pinch - must be that high volume payoff!)
Anyway, wondering if anyone stays solely with U.S. writing companies, seems like some bad press on using foreign sites. Mind tree states there are a U.S. co........
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Feb 2, 11, 07:43PM
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While it is very possible that you are a shill for this company and therefore know everything I'm about to say, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (and other customers the benefit of my doubts).
According to a whois search, this site is registered to a "mary smith" (all lower case every time this contact appears--"she" is also the admin and tech contact listed for the website).
The registered address given is 545 Hall Blvd, Lakeview, WA, 98721. This is where real problems surface: while there is a Lakeview, WA, there is no Hall Blvd in the city. There is also no 98721 zip code in the US. That means that whoever registered this site (even if it really is "mary smith") lied about their contact info.
Then there's the fact that the website was only created on January 25 of this year, yet their "customer testimonials" include comments on long-term projects and "recommendations from colleagues"--things that a week-old site simply couldn't boast of.
Finally, the 800 number listed on the whois info is apparently a toll free number held by a company that supplies numbers to companies in India--I don't know much about how this works, but a simple google of this number leads me to believe that it is ultimately connecting to someone in India.
Long story short: this website is built on a foundation of pretty transparent lies. I don't know anything about the product they'll provide, but this info ought to be enough to scare any customers away.
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Feb 2, 11, 07:56PM
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:)
I'm not sure what a shill is, but that may just reveal my low level of forum-ease here.
I looked up on whois, but didn't find what you noted. No biggee, but I think I will throw them a bone, lord knows I've done enough for SNR and CP this last year.
I'm wondering if anyone can comment on the SNR Google lawsuit thing? What was that all about? When I look up a company, I want to know if they have a good/bad rep, and lawsuits always sound kind of risky.
When I say I need top level writing, that is really really what I need. Anyone interested in private contracting with me, PM me.
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Feb 2, 11, 08:03PM
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Synecdoche: I looked up on whois, but didn't find what you noted
What exactly did you find, then? If you found different information, that's something tangible. If you found no information, that's something else. Where did you do your search?
Synecdoche: I'm wondering if anyone can comment on the SNR Google lawsuit thing? What was that all about? When I look up a company, I want to know if they have a good/bad rep, and lawsuits always sound kind of risky.
That was a lawsuit where SNR won a legal judgement and Google had to remove about five hundred websites from their search results due to illegal competition practices and theft of intellectual property. That is, a Pakistani company stole some of SNR's intellectual property and attempted to pass it off as their own; SNR sued and won. If the company wasn't in Pakistan, they would have faced criminal charges as well.
Synecdoche: When I say I need top level writing, that is really really what I need
Then I wouldn't go to mindtreewriting.
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Feb 3, 11, 03:46AM
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pheelyks: Finally, the 800 number listed on the whois info is apparently a toll free number held by a company that supplies numbers to companies in India--I don't know much about how this works, but a simple google of this number leads me to believe that it is ultimately connecting to someone in India.
why India? this is just a call forwarding service like this one - tollfreeforwarding.com
your location matters nothing for setting it up, this is only made to release your clients from paying the phone bills for calling you.
i haven't checked the website in question, i just fail to see how the fact of having an 800 number can be a bad sign
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Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 3, 11, 10:19AM
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smirk: i just fail to see how the fact of having an 800 number can be a bad sign
pheelyks: Finally, the 800 number listed on the whois info is apparently a toll free number held by a company that supplies numbers to companies in India--I don't know much about how this works, but a simple google of this number leads me to believe that it is ultimately connecting to someone in India.
The owner CLAIMS that the site is based in the US. That is fraud.
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Edited by: Zandermus Feb 3, 11, 10:47AM
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I went to check out the site. Felix is right, they claim to have been in business for over ten years; yet, the date of establishment is 2011.
I have never encountered a site where so much info is repeated over and over again. They also place a huge amount of emphasis on not being from the Ukraine... it's over the top... this just makes me think they are trying to hide something. I read through the entire site and picked up grammar and spelling mistakes. The form you need to fill in in order to receive a quote for a project is extremely similar to that of cp's... strange don't you think?
Sin I'd stay away if I were you!
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Feb 3, 11, 11:05AM
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Oh yeah, another thing, during my search I encountered mindtree ltd. They opperate from India... a bit of a coincidence I'd say:
"mindtreewriting.com"
"mindtree ltd"
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| pheelyks |
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Feb 3, 11, 11:44AM
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smirk: i just fail to see how the fact of having an 800 number can be a bad sign
It isn't, and I didn't mean to imply that it is. I googled the number I found and got several hits that contained lists of phone numbers available (this one included) and one of the sites said "Hardash (India)" at the top. I am well aware that anyone can purchase an 800 number, yet as I said I really have no idea how it works internationally or how to find out where a number was forwarded. Given the phony address and apparently phony registrant/admin/tech support name, I took the implication that this number went to a company/person in India fairly seriously.
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Edited by: EW_writer Feb 3, 11, 03:02PM
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Zandermus: I went to check out the site. Felix is right, they claim to have been in business for over ten years; yet, the date of establishment is 2011. I have never encountered a site where so much info is repeated over and over again. They also place a huge amount of emphasis on not being from the Ukraine... it's over the top... this just makes me think they are trying to hide something. I read through the entire site and picked up grammar and spelling mistakes. The form you need to fill in in order to receive a quote for a project is extremely similar to that of cp's... strange don't you think? Sin I'd stay away if I were you!
Well, that sorts that out. As everyone can see, even this supposed client of mindtreewriting.com now believes that the company is a scam.
CUSTOMERS BEWARE. mindtreewriting.com is a SCAM SITE.
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Edited by: editor75 Feb 3, 11, 03:28PM
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Synecdoche: I'm not sure what a shill is
shill- n - someone who is planted somewhere to make something look better than it is.
"Pheelyks and WB are shills for SNR and EssayTown; this pit gives them an opportunity to call their overseas competitors scams, and requires no obligation of them to provide any proof."
the only real way to find out is to order a paper from mindtree, and see what you get. there are plenty of reasons web-copy might be misspelled, and although a shell game with locations is a red flag, it does not guarantee that this company is a scam. I'd suggest ordering a 1 or 2 page paper, seeing if it's OK, and then moving forward, or not.
don't believe everything you read.
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Feb 3, 11, 03:49PM
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editor75: the only real way to find out is to order a paper from mindtree,
No, it's not. If a company shows itself to be a sleazy operation by orchestrating a lame promotional stunt, customers should be made aware.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 3, 11, 04:24PM
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editor75: "Pheelyks and WB are shills for SNR and EssayTown; this pit gives them an opportunity to call their overseas competitors scams, and requires no obligation of them to provide any proof."
Drop dead. Where's your proof, nutjob? Do you really want to get spanked again? You'd better pray that I don't take the time to find out exactly who and where you are because—like RustyIronChains and many other scumbags/liars before him—I will ruin you.
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Feb 3, 11, 04:46PM
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EW_writer: If a company shows itself to be a sleazy operation by orchestrating a lame promotional stunt, customers should be made aware.
haha, are you talking about your support of EW.net? make sure to tell your clients!
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Edited by: editor75 Feb 3, 11, 04:48PM
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WritersBeware: I will ruin you.
enjoy your pit, you ignorant skunk. your threats are worth less than two cents.
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Feb 3, 11, 05:00PM
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editor75: shill- n - someone who is planted somewhere to make something look better than it is.
That's not the definition of "shill." It takes all of two seconds to google a word and get an actual dictionary definition, like this:
1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.
2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
...which means that this statement:
editor75: Pheelyks and WB are shills for SNR and EssayTown; this pit gives them an opportunity to call their overseas competitors scams, and requires no obligation of them to provide any proof.
...is a complete misuse of the word. Neither of us promote these companies, nor do we even mention them unless someone else brings them up. When others have brought them up, I have freely admitted that I work for them. Both of us also regularly defend other companies that I know I don't work for (I cannot speak for WB regarding her affiliation with any site, and I am aware of no evidence that she is associated with any of the sites she has defended or denigrated). In no way is any of this "shilling."
editor75: although a shell game with locations is a red flag, it does not guarantee that this company is a scam
Please name the legitimate reasons that exist for this shell game, in your view.editor75: don't believe everything you read.
I didn't think to take a screenshot yesterday, and (surprise, surprise!) the whois information for the site has changed--everything is now handled by Domains By Proxy. This doesn't change the fact that the website hasn't even been registered for two full weeks despite claims all over its pages that they have years' worth of satisfied customers, but it does make it rather obvious that the site's owners are monitoring this thread and possibly started it--i.e. Synecdoche is looking more and more like a total shill (using the actual definition of the word).
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Feb 3, 11, 05:13PM
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place a small order and read it. if you like it, order more.
don't listen to the puppets and shills of essayscam-- you'll end up as cynical and paranoid as they are.
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Feb 3, 11, 05:14PM
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editor75: don't listen to the puppets and shills of essayscam
By all means, ignore posts that have explanations and rationales and listen to the simple and unexplained commands given by editor75. He speaks for the people, after all.
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Feb 3, 11, 06:35PM
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editor75: haha, are you talking about your support of EW.net? make sure to tell your clients!
Errr... you think I still write for EW? o.O
editor75: place a small order and read it.
This is usually my advice. However, I don't advise this when the company is shamelessly trying to advertise its services by having writers pose as clients. Just recently, another "writer" tried to pull a similar stunt. That loser thought that by creating an elaborate situation where the shill first contacts other writers on this site with the supposed purpose of ordering, it would seem less fishy when the shill finally recommends the writer. Didn't work.
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Feb 3, 11, 06:40PM
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Does anybody has any information about www.customessays.co.uk. The address they gave in their website is allegedly in Sheffield UK (124 BLAIR ATHOL ROAD SHEFFIELD S11 7GD). I need more information about this company: who they are? are they reliable? Who is behind them or who is running this company?
Regards,
qartilla
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Feb 3, 11, 06:41PM
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Wow, you guys sure do get snarky here. Is it always like this?
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Synecdoche: Is it always like this?
It depends on who shows up to fan the flames. Editor75 is the most recent troll, who claims to have absolutely no affiliations with anyone in the industry yet who remains quite keen on trashing people he obviously views as competition.
qartilla: www.customessays.co.uk.
Ukrainian fraud; part of the UVO/Brownie Freelance family of ESL garbage sites.
This is why people get "snarky," Synecdoche: the number of scam sites in operation is ridiculous, and the lengths people go to trying to defend/promote these sites on this forum can be aggravating. Also, when websites change their registration info less than twenty-four hours after being promoted and then exposed as liars on this forum, it makes people pretty mistrustful of the original promoter, i.e. you.
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Feb 3, 11, 06:53PM
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pheelyks: it makes people pretty mistrustful of the original promoter, i.e. you.
and I was trying to be subtle. ^____^
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Edited by: Synecdoche Feb 3, 11, 06:53PM
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Pheelyks, you are so much fun! same pheelyks who wrote a paper for me from SNR?
Hey, who owns this site anyway?
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Edited by: editor75 Feb 3, 11, 07:10PM
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pheelyks: who remains quite keen on trashing people he obviously views as competition.
retarded, my dear Watson. see what I mean about paranoia?
Synecdoche: who owns this site anyway?
good question!
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Feb 3, 11, 07:32PM
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Synecdoche: pheelyks who wrote a paper for me from SNR?
I doubt it. Writers don't often order from the same company they work for (or at all, I would imagine).
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Feb 3, 11, 08:46PM
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Only a clueless retard like you doesn't know, since the information has been available for many months. Just shut up.
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Edited by: editor75 Feb 3, 11, 09:07PM
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I'm not the one who asked the question; I just said it was a good one. so, why all the attention? did something I say ruffle your feathers?
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Feb 4, 11, 03:15AM
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i've checked the website and here's my subjective feedback:
1) i couldn't identify the purpose of the sunflower flash intro, except annoying the visitors
2) no user/login area, which means that it has hardly no backend
3) no integrated payment gateway
4) no other ways to contact the owners except email
5) design and implementation are pretty good, but very simple
conclusion:
for a website belonging to an individual or a small team it looks like a pretty good one, for a website belonging to the company, recruiting freelancers and keeping commission for their services, it doesn't look like anything serious.
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Feb 4, 11, 05:07AM
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Wow! The music wasn't there yesterday. It was rather annoying, you're right Smirk, especially for me!
This is a new bit of info; it wasn't on the website yesterday. I wonder why? Could it be because Felix questioned their claimed period in the business?
Our Website is new, we are not. There are real people behind all this technology. We started writing in this genre 10 years ago, at Berkeley. There are fine writers here, no doubt.
We work "in the Cloud", which means we use the internet for our business now, though our local contacts are still strong. Because we can offer you our services in the Cloud, you, no matter where you are, get access to our services.
Oh look! Anew link has appeared since yesterday!
Freelance for us. "Interesting"
2. We pay next day payment, via Paypal, for completed projects.v
"Huh?"
This is what they require from those who wish to freelance for them:
1. A verifiable U.S. or U.K. college degree.
From the "about us" page: Our writers are all college graduates, with PhD's and Master's degrees. You know you are getting U.S. Writers, living in the U.S.
From a different place on the site: Our writers are PhD's and professionals,
I thought they have Masters or PhD degrees?
I don't know, but these sentences seem to contradict one another. I'm not sure about in the U.S. but in my country you are only able to obtain a masters and PhD qualification from a University.
2. Writing samples, of course
3. Your REAL name, REAL address, and REAL phone number. Thank you for being honest. We will return the respect.
4. Discretion, Confidentiality, Reliability, and Conscientiousness.
This is from the home page... not even I write a sentence like this!
What you are you waiting for? Do not get frustrated surfing the web for every questionable essay service - let us take the worry of that writing project off your mind, and onto ours:
Why did they change some info since yesterday? Maybe it is a coincidence... but, it is rather odd...
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Edited by: smirk Feb 4, 11, 05:59AM
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Zandermus: I don't know, but these sentences seem to contradict one another. I'm not sure about in the U.S. but in my country you are only able to obtain a masters and PhD qualification from a University.
this means that the website owners fail to see any difference between college and university
Zandermus: 3. Your REAL name, REAL address, and REAL phone number. Thank you for being honest.
amazing, their credentials are nowhere to be found on their website, but they expect to be provided with real info
Zandermus: We will return the respect.
sounds promising
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Edited by: smirk Feb 4, 11, 06:05AM
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Synecdoche
will you return the respect for my review of your website (i tried to be objective)?
this can be done through answering a few questions posted in this thread
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smirk: for a website belonging to an individual or a small team it looks like a pretty good one, for a website belonging to the company, recruiting freelancers and keeping commission for their services, it doesn't look like anything serious.
I think your assessment is not only accurate, but also very objective and candid. I wish more forum members were as honest and open minded when exposing supposed fraudulent sites.
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Feb 5, 11, 10:49AM
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2MockingBird: I wish more forum members were as honest and open minded when exposing supposed fraudulent sites.
Like, by checking their WHOIS information and finding out it's all a bunch of lies?
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pheelyks: Like, by checking their WHOIS information and finding out it's all a bunch of lies?
You are right, pheelyks.
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2MockingBird: You are right, pheelyks.
Thanks?
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Ah, you guys are lovely, really.
So, a site is fraudulent because of.....what? Lack of contact info? Contact info is on there, it seems, and rather clearly spelled out. What, that they pay their writers way more than industry standard?
What an insult.
Startups, in my experience, require a depth of knowledge of SEO and back-ending to set up a truly robust web-based portal; so that would disqualify, say, 90% of storefronts out there on the web. Don't tell them, let's keep it our secret.
Fraudulent because.......it resembles other company names? REALLY? For heaven's sake, don't tell the American Medical Association (American Medical Express/Response/Writers!/etc etc ad nauseum. AMA might be surprised that they could be perceived as a fraud!
What if this "brand" of ghost writing (call it what you will) has a true genre that can be legitimized beyond simply capitalistic theory? Meaning, a real leader in taking this industry into a sphere of strategic partnership (uni's, students, agencies, etc)?
What else do you guys do for a living? Wait wait, let me enjoy the suspense.
Yours in Stimulating if somewhat Rank Repartee, (and still in search of that excellent writer),
Syn (sorry, I'm not affiliated with mindtree, though will give them some business and report on it here for your viewing enjoyment and continued stimulating repartee....)
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Synecdoche: So, a site is fraudulent because of.....what?
No, that was never the issue. And I never said the site was fraudulent. I said that because someone had obviously lied about their registration info when registering the site, it was very suspicious. I also said I wouldn't trust a site that's been around for a week yet has "customer testimonials" that imply it has been around significantly longer.
Synecdoche: Startups, in my experience, require a depth of knowledge of SEO and back-ending to set up a truly robust web-based portal; so that would disqualify, say, 90% of storefronts out there on the web. Don't tell them, let's keep it our secret.
This doesn't entirely make sense, and the parts of it that do make sense don't appear to have anything to do with the topic at hand. But I'll go ahead and agree with you so we don't get sidetracked.
Synecdoche: Fraudulent because.......it resembles other company names? REALLY?
No one ever suggested this, even remotely. It was suggested that this site might in some way be associated with mindtree.com, which is openly an Indian-based website. This was never claimed to be proven, nor was the similarity in name claimed to be evidence of fraud. Paranoid much?
Synecdoche: What if this "brand" of ghost writing (call it what you will) has a true genre that can be legitimized beyond simply capitalistic theory? Meaning, a real leader in taking this industry into a sphere of strategic partnership (uni's, students, agencies, etc)?
There really could be that leader. And I believe you might really be trying to make this site that leader. I don't believe that you are unaffiliated with this, any more than I believe you received a paper written by me from SNR (most likely, you recognized my SNR handle the same way I recognized yours). I also don't believe that starting up a new company and building it on a bunch of lies is the way to become a successful industry leader. You were probably a mediocre writer at best for SNR, and now you have a mediocre website instead. Congrats.
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Feb 5, 11, 05:41PM
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Synecdoche: So, a site is fraudulent because of.....what? Lack of contact info?
IMO, the biggest no-no in this forum is pretending that one is a client to promote one's site. Not only is it downright sleazy, it is an insult to the intellect of each member of this message board.
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Okay, okay, you got me.
I am well aware of the intellect on this board. Painfully so.
But, I am not a shill, sorry:) - but now you have me hooked, for a bit.
However, in evaluating this, I do think that this kind of industry has real legs. It can grow way beyond what is happening right now. It just needs the right model. But what does that model look like?
Imagine, instead of the sites that currently exist, or business model for that matter, one that looks much different and transports this kind of 'industry' to a whole new level.
I am a scientist. Yup, sorry folks. True. There are some high level sites that promote this kind of work, and engineeringEn sites, and other places that work in different 'disciplines', and all is totally legit, respected, with professional guiding associations, and such.
Why not this?
Syn
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