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Edited by: italos Jul 17, 07, 06:05PM
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hello all!
i looking for information on papermasters.
I cannot see essay fraud logo on their site which worries me.
Do you know anything about this company?
Are those guys legal or just another scam?
thanks!
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Jul 17, 07, 06:08PM
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Have you contacted them and asked these questions?
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Jul 17, 07, 07:00PM
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my dear major
I just called them and the lady on the phone told me that they used to have it in the past.However I cannot acc ertain anything.I still need info. about them.so if someone has had an exerience about them or knows anything pleease let me know
thanks!
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Jul 17, 07, 07:24PM
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If they no longer have an Essayfraud.org logo, it's probably because they did something to violate their eligibility.
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Jul 17, 07, 08:01PM
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just an un update
The lady told me as well on the phone that their are still beeing verified by essayfraud.org
I also sent them an email asking them their company registration number(every legal company must have it) and the possibility to pay them by direct bank invoice(us bank account and bank account holder).THis last was a direct trap to reveal the owner in case of a fraud
Here is their reply:
''I am sorry but we will not release our bank information or private company information. We accept payment via the methods specified on the website. If you wish to utilize our company's services, you will have to conform to these payment methods.''
So my conclusion is do not trust them!
A legal company has nothing to fair and can release all these information
Indeed under the us federel law(as well in all EU countries) registration number must appear in all company's documents.ie it is a pubblic information!
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jul 17, 07, 08:17PM
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That is a lie from Papermasters. They had the logo for a long time, which means they had already been verified a long time ago.
You seem more interested in cat-and-mouse than ordering an example paper. You've gotten info on many companies. Make a decision already. Gee whiz.
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Jul 17, 07, 11:53PM
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my dear
i 'm interesting to protect myself from any stupid individual who considers to be smarter than others and believes that s/he can fraud everyone!
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Edited by: italos Jul 20, 07, 10:55PM
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Final update:
I wrote an email to essayfraud.org about them.
Here is what essayfraud.org replied me:
''Hello,
If they do not display our logo, they are NOT verified.
Thank you,
Support
essayfraud.org
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Aug 7, 07, 06:25PM
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hello,
I am new to the board and have been enjoying catching up some of the older posts. I just wanted to add something to this post.
It seems to me that faulty logic is leading to an inaccurate portrayal of papermasters as an untrustworthy site. I mean, you folks are assuming that because papermasters doesn't display the logo that they automatically have something to hide. how about this as an alternative: they don't want to give free advertising to essayfraud.org? i understand the need to watch for fraud in the industry, but papermasters or anyone else isn't professionally obligated to display the logo of another organization on their website.
i would suggest a better test: check essayfraud to see if they list papermasters as a fraudulent site:
http://www.essayfraud.org/scam-fraud-ripoff-3.html
(quick answer ... they're not listed!)
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Edited by: I_like_Salo Aug 8, 07, 06:34AM
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I know that those sites were strong affiliates in the past. What made them through I do not know, but I presume that essayfraud is too controversial and its logo can really harm a reputation of sites that want to do good business in essay writing industry.
So for me it's understandable why papermasters did what they did
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Aug 8, 07, 07:13AM
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it is a common knowledge now that companies with Essayfraud logo, cannot be trusted! If you want to ascertain yourself--please order from them!
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Aug 8, 07, 07:44AM
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jackanderson,
Are you saying that you can only trust those companies which do not have essayfraud logo? This is absurd.
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Aug 8, 07, 08:38AM
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essayfraud.org is owned and operated by essaytown.com
nevery buy from websites which have essayfraud.org logo. its a scam.
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Aug 8, 07, 08:55AM
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Quoting: Vivi Are you saying that you can only trust those companies which do not have essayfraud logo? This is absurd.
It is absurd to be fooled by essayfraud/amy.
If I see some new site without this scam logo i go check it through the web, but if site bears "fraudlogo" I leave it at once - it's an evident scam
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Edited by: jackanderson Aug 8, 07, 11:52AM
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Quoting: Vivi Are you saying that you can only trust those companies which do not have essayfraud logo? This is absurd.
I recommend you to try them at least once. You will probably lose some money, but you will become smarter. The next day you will be writing complaints on this forum to hundreds of other naive students.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Aug 8, 07, 01:36PM
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Vivi, do not listen to these Ukrainian crooks. One of them owns Ukrainian EssayPlant.com
1. They hate EssayFraud.org because it uncovers their fraudulent activities.
2. They hate me because I am a staunch supporter of EssayFraud.org
3. They hate EssayTown.com because that site is their toughest competition and highest-ranking site in the industry.
4. They try to make fabricated ownership connections between all three because they foolishly think they can kill (discredit) three birds with one stone. If you look through older threads in this forum, you will see dozens of posts in which I provide verifiable evidence from reliable third parties to support everything that I state, whereas the crooks fabricate their own, fake Web pages and steal html/text from other sites in order to claim THAT copyrighted material as "evidence" against 1-3 above. It's quite sad and pathetic.
Since the Ukrainian crooks baselessly claim that I own EssayTown and EssayFraud, as well as control this forum (LOL!), I will make you a deal. I will put my personal money on the line. PaperMasters.com is a top competitor of EssayTown.com, but they are both American sites that have been verified by EssayFraud.org as legitimate corporations in the US. Place an order with PaperMasters.com (but don't let them know you are the poster here), and if the quality is not superb, I will mail you $20! (You would have to let me read the paper, of course.) Plus, PaperMasters, EssayTown, and all other legitimate, AMERICAN companies provide unlimited re-writes for FREE, so you have nothing to lose by accepting my offer. I am willing to put my money on the line for the opportunity to prove the Ukrainian crooks wrong for the 417th time.
P.S.: The crooks will now probably claim that I own PaperMasters.com, too! LMAO!
(By the way, I asked Elizabeth at EssayFraud.org why the EssayFraud logo is gone from the PaperMasters.com home page, and she said that it is because PaperMasters redesigned their site and will be placing a new logo very soon.)
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Edited by: jackanderson Aug 8, 07, 03:25PM
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It is a very silly idea, WritersBeware (Natasha) to link me to any of the companies in your cheating industry. Let it be your duty to promote cheating among American students. As a respectable citizen, I expect you to remove the premature conclusions (presented in the post above) now. Otherwise, i will have to reinitiate my crusade on cheating and present enough evidence on EssayTown's misarable practices and Russian connections to expose you in full.
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Edited by: jackanderson Aug 8, 07, 03:28PM
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Dear Vivi, yes, please order from any of the Essayfraud companies, but keep in mind that WritersBeware (Natasha's) promises are only promises. If they plagiarize your paper and steal your money you will suffer and she will make fun of you just like she is already making fun of so many people on this forum! Do you realize, that all the bad words WritersBeware uses are meant to intimidate and 'silence' the cheated customers who want to warn you!!
The $20 dollars offer from WritersBeware is a typical prize given for the"Most Stupid customer" nomination, which you will certainly win if you order from EssayTown and other Russian companies endorsed by EssayFraud. By the way, do not hesitate to ask her how many times WritersBeware promised to send $20 and then "forgot" to do so.
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Aug 8, 07, 03:40PM
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essaytown and papermasters are not the same company. readers should not be confused by the negative comments directed toward essaytown as in any way indicative of the business practices of papermasters.
bringing up essaytown in a thread asking about papermasters simply demonstrates a pathetic attempt to shift the topic of every thread on this forum onto your own personal ideological campaign.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Aug 8, 07, 04:45PM
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Quoting: Lavinia essaytown and papermasters are not the same company. readers should not be confused by the negative comments directed toward essaytown as in any way indicative of the business practices of papermasters.bringing up essaytown in a thread asking about papermasters simply demonstrates a pathetic attempt to shift the topic of every thread on this forum onto your own personal ideological campaign.
Lavinia, you hit the nail on the head.
Do you believe for a second that "jackanderson" is the "uninvolved, American student" that he claims to be? Using deception and false identities is common practice for the crooks, which is how they fool customers into believing they are American in the first place. Look at his earliest posts in the forum. It's clear that he either owns or works for EssayPlant.com. He even suggested that EssayTown should accept EssayPlant.com as a partner! When he realized thet legitimate EssayTown would NEVER work with his crooked outfit, he started making all sorts of insane accusations aginst EssayTown. That's the immature action of a fraudulent, deceptive, disgruntled crook who can't make ends meet by conducting business honestly.
Remember, too, that the crooks have still not presented a SINGLE PIECE of credible evidence from a legitimate third-party source that corroborates ANY of the libelous claims that they have made against me, EssayTown, EssayFraud, or EssayScam. The so-called "evidence" that he quotes comes from bogus pages the HE created. Even his partner in crime ("Kiev_City") admitted that the pages were "fake" and a "joke."
They claim that EssayFraud.org "endorses" EssayTown and PaperMasters. Do they show proof? Of course not! All they have to do is post a link to an EssayFraud.org page that contains an endorsement. Pretty simple, right?
Timmy00, I_like_Salo, jackanderson, Kiev_city, etc. are the same, small group of Ukrainian essay mill crooks who repeatedly create new usernames in a pathetic attempt to pose as "deceived customers," "uninvolved readers," and "American students" in order to smear the reputation of any organization or company that stands for truth and proper business conduct.
P.S.: I told you that they would try to twist my $20 offer! That's what they do.
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Aug 8, 07, 05:19PM
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Who could have thought that Lavinia, is a custom writer! Well, unlike the "face of Essaytown" (WritersBeware), she is rather polite. Look at her post http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/11_290_0.html
Not only you can be cheated when dealing with the "Ugly Threesome" (Essaytown, EssayFraud, Essayscam), now we learn that you can also be blackmailed! To put the long story short the helpful writer of EssayTown's affiliates, which urged the student to cheat, now demands money! Quoting: Lavinia contacting her professor will require minimal effort and i'm probably going to do exactly that. Quoting: WritersBeware Place an order with PaperMasters.com (but don't let them know you are the poster here), and if the quality is not superb, I will mail you $20!
Now, WritersBeware, will you say it's not an important piece of evidence which exposes your EssayTown's scam? Will you say that it is fabricated?
By the way, WritersBeware, could you please tell me if Lavinia is one of those "Professors writers" which Essaytown and its russian affiliates claim to hire in America for more than $100/hour?
Her Mundane language, her desire to disclose a client's personal information to third parties and break the law, her blackmailing her clients rather than pursuing justice as mandated by the US law make us all wonder. Does it sound like a real American professor? Can you imagine the rest of EssayTown's russian team? Do you still trust EssayTown and its Russian scammers (Papermasters, Essayfraud and Essayscam)?
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Aug 8, 07, 05:23PM
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<div class="quoting">Quoting: jackanderson Quoting: Lavinia
essaytown and papermasters are not the same company. readers should not be confused by the negative comments directed toward essaytown as in any way indicative of the business practices of papermasters.
Are you saying that Essayfraud, which endorses both companies, does not really single out the best? In other words, if one of them is found fraudulent and misleading (essaytown), should the customers think good about the other company (papermasters) which is also endorsed by Essayfraud?
Don't you think that if their most marketed "threesome" (Essaytown, Essayfraud and Essayscam) is "rotten" the other companies they endorse appear to look good only because they are less known?</div>
Lavinia answers:
Jack - i'm saying that this thread has nothing to do with essaytown. Essaytown is not papermasters. Papermasters is not Essayfraud. I take no position on Essayfraud because there is no need.
I'll bite, but only a little. Essayfraud doesn't endorse any companies at all, it only functions to point out potentially fraudulent companies. As the site states:
essayfraud.org/recommendations.html
Specifically (and back on topic) Essayfraud does not endorse papermasters. By your own admission, that should mean that Papermasters is a legit service. However, you don't make that logical point because you are more interested in your personal crusade against Essayfraud and the supposed triad of evil (again, a topic i don't want to get into on THIS thread because that is NOT the topic).
This thread started because papermasters specifically does NOT place the Essayfraud logo on its website. My response to that concern is simple: papermasters is not required to endorse Essayfraud or to display its logo so that, by itself, is not a reason to reject papermasters.com as a fraud.
Get it? Got it? Good.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Aug 8, 07, 05:42PM
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Lavinia, your posts make WAY too much sense, which is why the crooks are now accusing YOU of working for EssayTown! How pathetic is that? Of course, he now refers to his OWN FABRICATION as "evidence." LMAO!
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Aug 8, 07, 05:44PM
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1. Why would anyone let you indirectly advertise Papermasters on a website which has nothing to do with cheating (according to WritersBeware)?
2. If you like quoting Essayfraud as the bible of cheating, here you go essayfraud.org/members.html (look for Verification Seals and Support Links). companies which do not have Essayfraud logo are considered unreliable just like your papermasters. So, are you also from Russia?
3. Papermasters is permitted to be advertised on Essayscam (as legitimate) despite the fact that it does not have the Essayfraud logo. Why is that?
So do you personally believe that the bosses of the "Russian threesome" (Essaytown, essayfraud and essayscam) now attempt to distance the scam sites from each other and thus trick the "average customer" more effectively? Does it mean that we will no longer see EssayFraud logo because it scares those clients who otherwise could have bought into your services?
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Edited by: jackanderson Aug 8, 07, 05:51PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware Lavinia, your posts make WAY too much sense, which is why the crooks are now accusing YOU of working for EssayTown! How pathetic is that?
Nobody is accusing Lavine. Everyone is wondering if Lavine is one of those "professors" who get paid $100/hour for writing essays at Essaytown-endorsed sites. Customers want to know who will write their papers for such high prices they pay!
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Aug 8, 07, 05:56PM
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Whoa Jack. Time to cut back on the caffeine. I recommend decaf. Your attempts at character assassination are freakin' hilarious.
Well duh, of course I am a custom writer. I've let that be known on several occasions in my relatively short posting career on this forum. This is a forum for students and for writers, correct? i'm not a student, I am a writer. Again, duh. Would you like me to link some other posts where I clearly identify myself as a writer?
Quoting: jackanderson Not only you can be cheated when dealing with the "Ugly Threesome" (Essaytown, EssayFraud, Essayscam), now we learn that you can also be blackmailed! To put the long story short the helpful writer of EssayTown's affiliates, which urged the student to cheat, now demands money! Quoting: Lavinia contacting her professor will require minimal effort and i'm probably going to do exactly that. )
1. Eh? I found out that a client of mine used my work to cheat in one of her classes and I've been torn about what to do about it. I posted specifically in the forum for WRITERS CHEATED BY CLIENTS seeking advice on how to proceed. I'm not blackmailing anyone. I posted to ask advice primarily because i'm concerned that if i turn her in, it will impact the educational career of her innocent groupmates. I'm not out for revenge and anyone with a 2nd grade reading comprehension level can see that. I don't write so that clients can use my work to cheat.
if you really want to accuse me of wrongdoing, do so on that thread and i'll be happy to respond. Instead, you post it here again in a pathetic attempt to derail this thread for your own purposes.
2. I don't know the connection between Essaytown, Essayfraud, or Essayscam (if there is one) but i'm not employed by any of them. swing and a miss for jack.
Quoting: jackanderson By the way, WritersBeware, could you please tell me if Lavinia is one of those "Professors writers" which Essaytown and its russian affiliates claim to hire in America for more than $100/hour?
Swing two and a miss. I wish i knew someone who would pay me $100/hour. Unfortunately, not yet.
In fact, your suggestion that writers make more than $100/hour suggest to me a fundamental misunderstanding of the business. Academic writers, at least in my own experience, do not work for salary. We aren't real employees of a company - we are independent contractors. We are free to work or not work as much as we want. The companies that we write for are not obligated to employ us into the future. That isn't simply the case of academic research writers, it is also true of many different professions. I would have zero incentive from a company to post on their behalf on any forum and I certainly wouldn't receive any financial compensation for doing so. In fact, frankly, my guess would be that legitimate companies would prefer that their writers do not post on their behalfs in forums because they will inevitably be drawn into conflict with useless trolls like yourself.
But maybe I am wrong. If there are any companies who pay $100/hour, could someone let me know so I can send them my resume? Thanks in advance!
Quoting: jackanderson Her Mundane language, her desire to disclose a client's personal information to third parties and break the law, her blackmailing her clients rather than pursuing justice as mandated by the US law make us all wonder. Does it sound like a real American professor? Can you imagine the rest of EssayTown's russian team? Do you still trust EssayTown and its Russian scammers (Papermasters, Essayfraud and Essayscam)?
Mundane? Now that hurt my feelings.
What client's personal information did I disclose to third parties? That's right none. Try to follow the logic - I had a client refuse to pay me after receiving a project. That is not ethical. Unethical people tend to follow patterns. Her refusal to pay made me wonder if she had been using my work to cheat. I thought about it for a while, honestly hoping that she would eventually contact me to fix the issue. Eventually, I investigated using the information that she supplied me and confirmed my hunch. I didn't post her identity to this forum or in any other way expose her publicly as a fraud. I posted for two reasons - to get feedback on how to proceed and to help warn other writers not to trust clients too much. Both are issues that I personally felt were worth sharing publicly.
And, as I noted in my post, that job was entirely between her and me. No company was involved. So, if you want to criticize me, that's your option, but to somehow link it to companies that I have no affiliation with is thoroughly ridiculous.
i haven't been on the board long, but it is clear that you attempt to assassinate the character of anyone who doesn't agree with you.
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Edited by: Admin Aug 14, 07, 10:29PM
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In all honesty, I will trust any company as long as they pay me correctly and on time and don't act like rude people. I start out slow, one or two easy does it papers, and then see how it goes for the customer and myself when I go to a company. Its like hiring a doctor or lawyer, you don't know if they are morons until you actually use thier services, and once you use thier services, good luck getting your money/time back. That's just the way I view things, you never know until you try. I think basing a decision on a logo is really silly--do you know how many faulty devices carry the good housekeeping logo? Seriously.....it happens.
PS: Where can you make 100$ an hour? There's a few things I'd like to buy......
PPS: You know, its not that freaking hard to put a logo on your website if you are or are not a scammer...
And, I find it kind of odd how people get all worked up about certain websites. I think the more worked up Jack gets and more attacking about trying to prove an unproveable point on the Internet, the more likely it is that you are trying to defend something that is simply not defendable because it is not correct.
But then again, I could be wrong.
And Lavina, I don't think your writing is mundane at all.
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Oct 13, 08, 11:24AM
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sO is papermastes legit??? i just came upon them yesterday and they seem legit??
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Oct 15, 08, 11:15AM
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??? anyone know
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Edited by: bhartzer Oct 27, 08, 05:19PM
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sO is papermastes legit??? i just came upon them yesterday and they seem legit??
Yes, they're legit. Papermasters is one of the only legitimate term paper and custom research companies left in the United States. I would be very wary about dealing with a company that is from somewhere outside of the United States.
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