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Edited by: WritersBeware Mar 18, 08, 01:35PM
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If you disagree, explain.
The simple fact is that anyone who knowingly works for a company of which he or she has clear knowledge is perpetrating crimes and/or blatant misrepresentations against the public, that worker can potentially be held personally liable as a co-conspirator in any legal actions taken against the company.
FYI, a writer's personal, economic circumstance is not valid justification, so please don't bother using that excuse.
If you are a decent, native English-speaking writer or an ESL writer whose command of the English language is comparable to mine (for example), you will have no problem finding work with a LEGITIMATE company. On the other hand, if you are an ESL writer whose product contains many of the errors in grammar, punctuation, spelling, and word use that are common in the writings of ESL speakers, you have no business writing for American clients. If you are fully aware that your fraudulent employer tells his customers that you are "American," "a native English-speaker," or similarly misrepresents your qualifications, you have the obligation to demand that your employer state the TRUTH on his/her site. If he or she refuses, you have the obligation to quit, or I believe that you are also guilty of the crimes (figuratively and/or literally).
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Edited by: WritersBeware Mar 18, 08, 09:23PM
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It is a crime to knowingly enable students to engage in academic fraud by submitting your writing--as their own work--for academic credit. You may NOT place "blank lines" at the top of a document so that the student may fill-in his or her name, professor's name, and/or academic institution. To my current knowledge, doing so is against the law in every state. For example:
New York
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A03003&sh=t
http://law.onecle.com/new-york/education/EDN0213-B_213-B.html
California
http://law.justia.com/california/codes/edc/66400-66406.html
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/edc/66400-66406.html
Florida
http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/877.17.html
Massachusetts
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/271-50.htm
http://law.onecle.com/massachusetts/271/50.html
Texas
http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/32.50.00.html
Nevada
http://law.onecle.com/nevada/crimes/207.320.html
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-207.html#NRS207Sec320
New Jersey
http://law.justia.com/newjersey/codes/7353/735b.html
aw.onecle.com/new-jersey/18a-education/18A-2-3.html
North Carolina
http://law.justia.com/northcarolina/codes/chapter_14/gs_14-118.2.html
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chap ter_14/gs_14-118.2.html
Pennsylvania
http://members.aol.com/StatutesP9/18PA7324.html
Virginia
http://law.justia.com/virginia/codes/toc1802000/18.2-505.html
Washington
http://law.justia.com/washington/codes/title28b/28b.10.580.html
Connecticut
http://legaltips.org/connecticut/Chap949b.aspx#Sec53-392b.aspx
Maine
http://janus.state.me.us/legis/statutes/17-a/title17-Asec705.html
Any writer who adds "blank lines" to a paper (and any company that condones and/or requests that its writers engage in such a practice) is committing a crime. Similarly, any company that advertises or guarantees a certain GRADE (in the event that a student turns in a paper commissioned from its Web site) is committing a crime.
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| corvus |
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Mar 23, 08, 05:11PM
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The ironic thing here is if the (ESL) writer or the company is not a US citizen or a US based company, none of those laws would apply to them. Not only that, these are not even federal laws, but state ones.
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Mar 23, 08, 09:38PM
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Hahaha!
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| WritersBeware |
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Mar 23, 08, 10:45PM
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Quoting: corvus The ironic thing here is if the (ESL) writer or the company is not a US citizen or a US based company, none of those laws would apply to them. Not only that, these are not even federal laws, but state ones.
That entire comment is utterly irrelevant. One must simply prove to the FTC and/or Google that a WEB SITE that advertises almost entirely to and does business with AMERICAN consumers in all 50 states is breaking the applicable laws of each state. The fraudulent companies in question, including EW_writer's buddies in Ukraine, will have far fewer victims if their sites are banned by Google at the behest of the FTC (or by court order).
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Mar 23, 08, 10:53PM
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Quoting: EW_writer Hahaha!
Hey, Borat, I'm sure that everyone loves your brilliant contributions.
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| corvus |
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Mar 24, 08, 12:35AM
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Quoting: WritersBeware That entire comment is utterly irrelevant. One must simply prove to the FTC and/or Google that a WEB SITE that advertises almost entirely to and does business with AMERICAN consumers in all 50 states is breaking the applicable laws of each state. The fraudulent companies in question, including EW_writer's buddies in Ukraine, will have far fewer victims if their sites are banned by Google at the behest of the FTC (or by court order).
How is the comment not relevant? You stated that it is against the law in just about every state to enable students to commit academic fraud by guaranteeing a certain grade or having blank lines for the student to enter his and the teacher's names. I'm just saying since the states do not have jurisdiction in other countries, the company nor the writer will be guilty of any crime unless there is a similar law in their country. In other words, the company will not be shutting down or the writer be going to jail. This is entirely different from getting their sites banned from the Google SERPs. Now, if a company depends on something as fickle as their search rankings on a search engine to acquire customers, their business model is flawed to begin with.
PS.. online gambling is also illegal in the US yet poker sites are still all over the Google search results.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Mar 24, 08, 01:27AM
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Quoting: corvus How is the comment not relevant? You stated that it is against the law in just about every state to enable students to commit academic fraud by guaranteeing a certain grade or having blank lines for the student to enter his and the teacher's names. I'm just saying since the states do not have jurisdiction in other countries, the company nor the writer will be guilty of any crime unless there is a similar law in their country. In other words, the company will not be shutting down or the writer be going to jail. This is entirely different from getting their sites banned from the Google SERPs.
I never claimed that the state laws are enforceable against non-U.S. citizens.
Quoting: corvus Now, if a company depends on something as fickle as their search rankings on a search engine to acquire customers, their business model is flawed to begin with.
Hah? An online company's business model is "flawed" if it depends on search engine traffic to acquire customers?
Quoting: corvus PS.. online gambling is also illegal in the US yet poker sites are still all over the Google search results.
I think you are overlooking a major difference between the two industries. I've only done a very limited amount of research, but all of the online gambling sites that I found tonight are either operated by Native-Americans or they OPENLY CLAIM to be based outside of the United States, as is the case with the following site that I was able to quickly locate by searching for "gambling" in Google:
http://www.rushmorecasino.com
"All Rights Reserved © 2007 - 2008 by Rushmore - Isagro Holdings. Nicosia, Cyprus"
Obviously, the fraudulent essay peddlers from Ukraine and Pakistan will NEVER openly admit or otherwise state on their sites that they are from or located in ANY country other than the United States (with the occasional exception of the UK or Canada).
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Mar 24, 08, 09:13AM
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Quoting: WritersBeware Hey, Borat, I'm sure that everyone loves your brilliant contributions.
Oh, is laughing prohibited now? :p Tsk tsk.. somebody REALLY needs therapy. XD
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Mar 24, 08, 07:47PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware Hah? An online company's business model is "flawed" if it depends on search engine traffic to acquire customers?
If those fraudulent essay sites' sole source of traffic is from their search rankings, then yes it is. There is simply no guarantee that a site will be top ranked for a certain keyword forever. They could have the best SEO available but they will always be one algorithm update away from losing all their traffic if they have all their eggs in that one basket. Maybe some people would think differently, but I prefer to be diversified and have traffic also coming from places I can control.
My point about online gambling is that just because something is illegal in the US, it doesn't mean Google won't list it in the search results. When you add fraudulent essay companies that misrepresent where they are located, then yes, this is different. If this was the case, they are probably better off not even bothering to mention they use ESL writers on the website.
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Jun 2, 08, 08:43PM
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WritersBeware: If you knowingly write for a FRAUDULENT company, you are also a FRAUD
If you knowingly patronize a FRAUDULENT company, you are also a FRAUD. funny, how you defend how poor American consumers are being ripped off by essaywriting companies. If they didn't have the need for us, we wouldn't be here right? if some of you poor Americans weren't so godawful lazy, we wouldn't even be here right?
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Jun 2, 08, 08:45PM
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WritersBeware: If he or she refuses, you have the obligation to quit, or I believe that you are also guilty of the crimes (figuratively and/or literally).
so sue me. sue every ESL writer in the world. *smirk*
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Jun 2, 08, 08:46PM
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kareng: If you knowingly patronize a FRAUDULENT company
Does anyone else recognize the clearly irrational nature of this statement?
Whenever I shop online, I always try to find the most obviously fraudulent sites.
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Jun 19, 08, 02:46PM
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Funny how WritersBeware has all the time in the world to reply to most of the posts here on the site after he/she has stated that he/she is too busy to the point that he/she cannot do anything YET to the fraudulent companies he's/she's dissing. He/She was even able to research and collect necessary data to go after these fraudulent sites. Maybe he/she is not busy after all. Maybe he/she is a pretentious know-it-all nobody who's got nothing else to do but pretend he/she is somebody. I would prefer someone who acts than just talks. That would at least prove the person's sincerity on his/her campaign. The site is full of con-artists. The world is peopled, indeed!
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Jun 19, 08, 04:37PM
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Well, I think it's pretty clear what should happen to WritersBeware_Stalker's account, especially since he/she spammed 4 threads with the same garbage.
I do appreciate the dedicated groupies.
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Jul 22, 08, 05:01PM
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Hi WritersBeware:
Would you msg me, please? I have a question for you.
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Jul 23, 08, 02:27AM
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No offense, but I really thought WritersBeware is the administrator or webmaster of Essayscam. :)
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Jul 23, 08, 02:32AM
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The accusations just keep getting more and more ridiculous.
I'm confident that even EW_writer will confirm that I am absolutely not the moderator.
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