stu4 Member Joined: Mar 13, 06 Topics: 9 Posts: 247
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| Edited by: stu4 Jun 23, 09, 06:14PM
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I need short answers to these points (YES or NO) and explanation if possible:
1. If a company is based in Ukraine but also hires American writers - is it an American company?
2. If a company is based in Ukraine but owners live in the US - is it an American company?
3. If a company is registerd in the US and has legal US address - is it an American company?
4. If a company is based and registered in the US but hires one or more foreign writers - is it an American company?
5. If a company has no business address available to the public but advertises as an American company, is it an American company?
6. If a company is based and registered in the US, but owners nationality is Ukrainian, is it an American company?
Thank you.
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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Jun 23, 09, 07:04PM
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Sorry, but your little "survey" is inherently invalid because, as you do on your ripoff sites, you intentionally leave out critical details that would allow participants to make an informed decision.
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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Jun 23, 09, 07:09PM
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For the millionth time, the conflict at hand concerns truthful advertising and actual employment of only native English-speaking writers, NOT Americanism.
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stu4 Member Joined: Mar 13, 06 Topics: 9 Posts: 247
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Jun 23, 09, 07:30PM
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WritersBeware: as you do on your ripoff sites, Err, I have nothing to do with www.ripoffreport.com (which could be useful to find the real fraudulent essay businesses). WritersBeware: For the millionth time, the conflict at hand concerns truthful advertising and actual employment of only native English-speaking writers, NOT Americanism. That's why my questions. If a company hires 100 writers and 99 are native English speaking writers and 1 is not a native English speaking writer - is the company allowed to advertise that they are American company and hire American writers or not?
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undertow2 Member Joined: Jun 15, 09 Topics: 5 Posts: 108
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Jun 23, 09, 07:46PM
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You can hire Martians if you like, but if your company is incorporated in India (for example) then it's still an Indian company, albeit with a disproportionate number of Martian employees.
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stu4 Member Joined: Mar 13, 06 Topics: 9 Posts: 247
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Jun 23, 09, 07:49PM
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undertow2: You can hire Martians if you like, but if your company is incorporated in India (for example) then it's still an Indian company, albeit with a disproportionate number of Martian employees. That is useful. So the thing that determines if the company is American or not is where the company is incorporated, correct? That way an American company can have a total of 100 writers but 99 of them could be non-English speakers but since its incorporated in the US it has the right to advertise as an American company?
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undertow2 Member Joined: Jun 15, 09 Topics: 5 Posts: 108
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Jun 23, 09, 07:54PM
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I think some people call themselves a "company" in order to appear professional, when in fact they're just chancers, or a group of chancers, out to make a quick buck.
The law is quite clear. If you're a company, you have to register as a company.
I live in the UK. If I started a company that only used American writers, I would still be a British company, because I would be registered at Companies House.
If I incorporated my company in the US, it would be a US company, even if I lived in Timbuktu.
It's really very simple, and there are no grey areas.
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stu4 Member Joined: Mar 13, 06 Topics: 9 Posts: 247
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Jun 23, 09, 08:05PM
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undertow2: I live in the UK. If I started a company that only used American writers, I would still be a British company, because I would be registered at Companies House. If I incorporated my company in the US, it would be a US company, even if I lived in Timbuktu. It's really very simple, and there are no grey areas. Fair enough. But then such company owners like WritersBeware who has been proven to post under numerous names on numerous forums could hire 100 non-English writers, pay them low wages and still claim that his company is "American"? Where is the justice here? In other words - just because the company is a US company gives them the right to legally lie and post misleading ads?
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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Jun 23, 09, 09:16PM
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stu4: So the thing that determines if the company is American or not is where the company is incorporated, correct? Undertow2, I'm sure that you recognize the fraudster's endgame. He is trying to manipulate you into justifying and legitimizing his company's lies.
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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Jun 23, 09, 09:19PM
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stu4: company owners like WritersBeware Lie. stu4: who has been proven to post under numerous names on numerous forums Lie. stu4: just because the company is a US company gives them the right to legally lie and post misleading ads? Lie. Am I surprised be these continued lies? No.
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pheelyks Member Joined: Jan 20, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 1070
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Jun 24, 09, 12:32AM
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stu4: If a company hires 100 writers and 99 are native English speaking writers and 1 is not a native English speaking writer - is the company allowed to advertise that they are American company and hire American writers or not? If the company is based in America, and is subject to American laws (i.e. civil retribution and criminal charges/punishments through American courts), it is an American company, regardless of who it hires. In the very specific scenario you describe (99 out of 100 writers in a company are American or "native English speakers"), I think advertising the native status of the company's writers would be fair. By the time 10 or more out of 100 are not native speakers, I think you have a problem. Yes, this number is somewhat arbitrary, but these are my thoughts/feelings on the issue. In addition, the non-native writers would have to match the native writers in skill for the claim to remain valid. None of this actually matters, however, because the companies you work for and have specifically mentioned elsewhere in the forum do not meet the criteria you laid out. They are not subject to American jurisdiction (court rulings against them may exist, but they cannot easily be enforced), and the vast majority of their writers (far more tan 10%) are not native English speakers--and neither are the owners, or the administrative/customer service staff. If stu4 (or someone else) quotes a part of this post as proof for some of their statements, could someone please quote and post this entire thing as a response? I'm getting tired of seeing my words deliberately misused out of context.

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EW_writer Member Joined: Jul 2, 07 Topics: 17 Posts: 1368
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| Edited by: EW_writer Jun 24, 09, 12:53AM
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pheelyks: They are not subject to American jurisdiction (court rulings against them may exist, but they cannot easily be enforced) Which makes it much safer to order from them. *Chomps on a Keebler soft batch cookie* Writing break. I just completed two resumes and already both clients have received their respective orders and sent me positive feedback (which means *sigh* an additional $1 for me per order >.<) I hope I quoted enough of the text off your post as you requested, pheelyks. I'm gonna work on my essaybay projects now. Catch you guys later. :)
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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Jun 24, 09, 01:04AM
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Pheelyks, you will soon discover that the frauds in this forum, most notably stu4 and EW_writer, like to re-hash losing arguments that have already been crushed. WritersBeware: Since that lawsuit in 1997, every American company that I have studied disposes of customers' order information after a short period. Their main goal is to protect customers' privacy. Therefore, even if served with a subpoena, the owners of the American sites won't be able turn over what they do not possess. You lose.
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pheelyks Member Joined: Jan 20, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 1070
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Jun 24, 09, 01:08AM
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EW_writer: Which makes it much safer to order from them. It is true, in a very limited number of instances (one, actually, is all that I or apparently you are aware of), a student has been charged for plagiarism for buying an essay written by an American company. The number of instances where customers have received poor quality papers and no chance at a refund from fraudulent companies. however, is easily in the thousands. EW_writer: I hope I quoted enough of the text off your post as you requested, pheelyks. Well, you didn't take my statement out of context entirely, no. The issue you raised, however, is statistically irrelevant in the real world (as detailed above) and entirely irrelevant to the subject of this thread. Therefore, while not using my words out of context to prove your own opposing point, you have still shown yourself unable to refute the actual claims I was making, and have ignored the true substance of my argument. Does he fact that you picked on a very small and arcane detail rather than refute my argument with your own logical assertions mean anything more than the obvious?

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pheelyks Member Joined: Jan 20, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 1070
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Jun 24, 09, 01:10AM
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WritersBeware: Pheelyks, you will soon discover that the frauds in this forum, most notably stu4 and EW_writer, like to re-hash losing arguments that have already been crushed. Though new(er) to this forum, I am not naive. While I appreciate the support, I am more than capable of countering frauds and other manipulators of logic in my own style.
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EW_writer Member Joined: Jul 2, 07 Topics: 17 Posts: 1368
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Jun 24, 09, 01:14AM
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Right.. as if standard auditing practices anywhere in the world allows businesses to get rid of such financial information as credit card #s and paypal accounts immediately. :D The fact is, if American companies are mandated to reveal who orders from them by a court of law as what occurred in the case presented, they would most certainly give up at least some of their clients. Several states in the U.S. prohibit the submission of purchased papers for credit and unlike foreign companies, American companies actually have to comply with those laws.
Game, set, and match. :p
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pheelyks Member Joined: Jan 20, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 1070
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Jun 24, 09, 01:15AM
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Ummm...why do you keep referring to the on single instance of this actually happening then? Where are the other cases that US law mandates?
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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| Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 24, 09, 01:17AM
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pheelyks: I am more than capable of countering frauds and other manipulators of logic in my own style. I didn't suggest that you change anything about your style. I simply showed you a link to a post that already disproves EW_writer's bogus claim about "safety."
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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| Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 24, 09, 01:23AM
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EW_writer: Right.. as if standard auditing practices anywhere in the world allows businesses to get rid of such financial information as credit card #s and paypal accounts immediately. :D The fact is, if American companies are mandated to reveal who orders from them by a court of law as what occurred in the case presented, they would most certainly give up at least some of their clients. Several states in the U.S. prohibit the submission of purchased papers for credit and unlike foreign companies, American companies actually have to comply with those laws. Game, set, and match. :p Case in point: EW_writer just loves to repeat his already-defeated arguments in new threads: WritersBeware: EssayWriters.net's (Universal Research's) many fake, "corporate offices" are virtual offices in the US. Their articles of incorporation are based on "US" addresses. An investigation by any government agency or legal party would indicate that Universal Research is a "US" company. Because the owners of EssayWriters.net are Ukrainian liars who falsely claim to be physically based in the US (but do CONDUCT BUSINESS in the US), Universal Research will be subject to American laws, subpoenas, and jurisdiction. The FACT that they are physically located in Ukraine makes NO DIFFERENCE to American courts. Indeed, once the judge is presented with some of the abundant evidence of corporate fraud and fake addresses that Universal Research from Ukraine advertises in order to deceive American consumers and unfairly compete with legitimate companies in the US, the judge will have ABSOLUTELY NO MERCY on them. As evidenced by legal precedent in 2008, the owners of a fraudulent essay company in Pakistan (or Ukraine) may be able to avoid monetary judgement because of jurisdiction barriers, but their SITES (which is all they really care about) absolutely WILL be banned by all search engines, WILL be banned by all advertising outlets, and the ownership of which WILL be transferred to the opposing party. When faced with a lawsuit and/or subpoena, which option do you think that Universal Research will choose, without the slightest hesitation?A. hide all of its customers' information, despite the demands of a US Federal Court, thereby forfeiting ownership of all of its Web sites by default judgment; B. promptly hand over the information and stay in business. You guessed it—Option B! SOURCE: http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9/bestessays-com-superiorpapers-com-essaywri ters-net-investigated-1092/#msg16066

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EW_writer Member Joined: Jul 2, 07 Topics: 17 Posts: 1368
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Jun 24, 09, 01:23AM
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pheelyks: The number of instances where customers have received poor quality papers and no chance at a refund from fraudulent companies. however, is easily in the thousands. From which companies? >.< I concede that there are thousands of crappy foreign sites but the ones I work for are not among them. Plus, this problem can easily be solved by the golden formula of trying out a company with a small project first (like a 1-page paper), finding a writer you are comfortable with and sticking with that writer all throughout. pheelyks: Does he fact that you picked on a very small and arcane detail rather than refute my argument with your own logical assertions mean anything more than the obvious? Are you talking about the argument on how many American writers a company should have before they can call themselves American? Hey.. you can have that one, dude. ^_^ I took the quote from you to set fire to WB's pants, I wasn't really engaging you in anything. :P
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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| Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 24, 09, 01:25AM
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By the way, a major media outlet in academia recently outed the fraud of EW_writer's "quality" employer (following a months-long, "undercover" investigation): http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i28/28a00102.htm
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EW_writer Member Joined: Jul 2, 07 Topics: 17 Posts: 1368
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Jun 24, 09, 01:32AM
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pheelyks: Ummm...why do you keep referring to the on single instance of this actually happening then? Where are the other cases that US law mandates? Hey, if WB found one of them I'm sure she can find more. I'm not getting paid to do that crap, she is. :D I just feed off the evidences she provides and get her in trouble with her employers using those very evidences. Why do you think she's always in menopausal period mode? :) *Chomps on another Keebler* Gotta get back to work... I still have a 4-page paper on the "political implications of Obama's victory" for a direct client that i need to finish in an hour if I want to catch the robots in disguise on the big screen. :) Ta-ta.
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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| Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 24, 09, 01:36AM
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EW_writer: I concede that there are thousands of crappy foreign sites but the ones I work for are not among them. Ask EW_writer to name the foreign sites for which he works and then Google the domains to read literally hundreds, if not thousands, of different people's horrible experiences involving lack of quality, refund refusal, invalid fines, fabricated "customer complaints," missing payments, etc.
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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| Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 24, 09, 01:38AM
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EW_writer: I'm not getting paid to do that crap, she is. LOL. I'd never take money to pummel a criminal. I consider it personal enrichment.
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EW_writer Member Joined: Jul 2, 07 Topics: 17 Posts: 1368
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Jun 24, 09, 01:41AM
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WritersBeware: LOL. I'd never take money to pummel a criminal. You never pummeled anyone.. amused, maybe but pummeled? Nah.... :)
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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| Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 24, 09, 01:43AM
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EW_writer: *Chomps on another Keebler* Gotta get back to work... I still have a 4-page paper on the "political implications of Obama's victory" for a direct client that i need to finish in an hour if I want to catch the robots in disguise on the big screen. :) Ta-ta. Is there a formally-recognized psychosis through which a patient has the physiological need to constantly let others know the projects on which he/she is working? EW_writer: I want to catch the robots in disguise on the big screen. Obviously, a Decepticon is among us: EW_writicron. Together with stupid4, they combine to form "Scamitor."
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pheelyks Member Joined: Jan 20, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 1070
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Jun 24, 09, 02:07AM
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EW_writer: pheelyks: Ummm...why do you keep referring to the on single instance of this actually happening then? Where are the other cases that US law mandates? Hey, if WB found one of them I'm sure she can find more. I'm not getting paid to do that crap, she is. :D I just feed off the evidences she provides and get her in trouble with her employers using those very evidences. You're still avoiding the issue.
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chacha421 Member Joined: Jun 17, 09 Topics: 4 Posts: 548
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Jun 24, 09, 03:47AM
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Why we need american companies in the first place? Are Americans not cheaters? Biggest frauds in this world have been committed by them...
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OxbridgeResearchers Member Joined: May 2, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 943
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Jun 24, 09, 04:02AM
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chacha421: Why we need american companies in the first place? Just a wild guess here ... maybe British and American companies are needed because the writing is in THEIR language and primarily for students in THEIR universities?
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OxbridgeResearchers Member Joined: May 2, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 943
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Jun 24, 09, 04:16AM
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To answer the original question: a company is American if it falls under US jurisdiction and pays US taxes. Mere incorporation in the US (usually in Delaware) does not make a company American, just as e-incorporation in the UK does not make a company British.
Being American or British does not necessarily make a company legitimate nor does it mean that the services they offer are, by definition, of superior quality. It does mean, however, that we are really on the receiving end of the stick if 1) we do not deliver on our guarantees 2) have formal customer complaints lodged against us 3) do not pay freelancers or, otherwise, mistreat employees 4) the product delivered is at odds with the quality advertised 5) we try to engage customers and employees in contracts which do not adhere to the prescribed ones for service delivery or part/full-time employment 6) attempt to blackmail/threaten writers/customers 7) do not pay our taxes
It basically means that we are under much stricter restrictions.
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chacha421 Member Joined: Jun 17, 09 Topics: 4 Posts: 548
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Jun 24, 09, 05:29AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: maybe British and American companies are needed because the writing is in THEIR language and primarily for students in THEIR universities? True.. agreed... but that means they will not cheat their customers and writers? I have read few comments here about Academic Answers- a UK based company managing many sites and these comments were no way positive so wheres the difference? What contribution does these companies make? Lastly they are too expensive and it is very basic principle of economics that when your product is too expensive, subsititues have to follow naturally to fill that gap...
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chacha421 Member Joined: Jun 17, 09 Topics: 4 Posts: 548
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| Edited by: chacha421 Jun 24, 09, 05:38AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: It basically means that we are under much stricter restrictions. Others are too... UK and US has a history of committing frauds under legal cover i.e. legal frauds. Most of the countries have very strict cyber laws and authorities implement them forcefully. Everyone is at the receiving end so this is nothing more than a self assumed illusion that UK or US companies are more law abiding than others... Firstly, hardly company is a public limited in nature and you would appreciate the fact that more stricter laws in UK and US are for public limited companies therefore these regulations are already not applied to essay writing services. If you read the terms of contract of many UK and US companies they clearly mention that they do not sell papers and neither they employ any freelancers therefore under legal cover they do not hold any responsibility and technically they are not all responsible for anything. It is entirely wrong to assume that otherss do not follow law and they are more civilized than UK and US

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OxbridgeResearchers Member Joined: May 2, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 943
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Jun 24, 09, 05:42AM
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chacha421: Academic Answers- a UK based company managing many sites and these comments were no way positive so wheres the difference? I have no vested interest whatsoever in defending Academic Answers at all. Objectivity is important, however. Academic Answers happens to be one of the leading companies in this line of work in the UK. They service countless clients and have a rather significant freelancer-base. Their annual profit figures are constantly on the rise. Now, when a handful of writers/customers make a complaint (and they generally target essaybay here), that does not mean that the company is a sham or that it delivers poor quality. The fact that their profits are constantly growing further indicates that they are becoming more popular (despite their prices) and not less so. So ... I wouldn't really use AA as an example of a `poor' British company because it simply isn't. I am sure that there are British companies which are absolutely horrid but AA isn't one of them.
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chacha421 Member Joined: Jun 17, 09 Topics: 4 Posts: 548
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Jun 24, 09, 05:53AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: when a handful of writers/customers make a complain Two wrongs does not make one right.. even if there are handful of writers/customers complaining against AA that means AA have cheated them... having few numbers of complains does not mean the intensity of your crime is low too.. a murder is always a murder and one gets same punishment for either murdering one person or 100s..
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chacha421 Member Joined: Jun 17, 09 Topics: 4 Posts: 548
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| Edited by: chacha421 Jun 24, 09, 05:57AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: Their annual profit figures are constantly on the rise This is because they cheat their writers and do not pay them or fine them without any proofs..... It is on the record that they attempt to cheat writers outside UK because they know foreign writers can not try them legally in UK i.e. no one will simply imagine to take them to the court for few hundred pounds... this is simple and very plain method of cheating.... One of the most common methods to cheat writers is to simply inform them that order has been refunded and when you ask them to provide the proof of refund they would simply reply that this will violate the privacy of their buyers.... So would you consider this as fairness?
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OxbridgeResearchers Member Joined: May 2, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 943
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Jun 24, 09, 05:57AM
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chacha421: Firstly, hardly company is a public limited in nature and you would appreciate the fact that more stricter laws in UK and US are for public limited companies therefore these regulations are already not applied to essay writing services. Doesn't makes sense ... irrespective of the industry (in this case service industry) we have to adhere to legislation governing consumer rights, fair trade and the sale and delivery of goods and services. The essay writing industry is not a no-man's land which operates according to whatever rules it decides, irrespective of country of jurisdiction. Pls read up on consumer rights and all that ... then you will know that what you said just isn't true. chacha421: Most of the countries have very strict cyber laws and authorities implement them forcefully. Agreed - India has very strict cyber-laws and there is no getting around them. But let me ask you a question in good faith - is Essaybrunch a registered company? If it is, why isn't the registration number displayed? The issue is not of one country versus the other but the legitimacy of individual companies. Nationality does not bestow legitimacy. chacha421: UK and US has a history of committing frauds under legal cover As do all countries ...

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OxbridgeResearchers Member Joined: May 2, 09 Topics: 6 Posts: 943
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Jun 24, 09, 06:03AM
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chacha421: This is because they cheat their writers and do not pay them or fine them without any proofs..... It is on the record that they attempt to cheat writers outside UK because they know foreign writers can not try them legally in UK Essaybay operates under different rules than do the rest of AA's companies. The others do not outsource their work, they do not hire ESL writers .... And, if you have proof that UKessays, etc is a scam, pls publish that proof. Unsupported accusations hardly earn you the respect of others. Again, I really do not care about AA but I really do not see the sense in trying to trash a legitimate company. Do you honestly want to even begin to compare them with something like buydissertations???!!!! Or, as much as I find Essaybay horrid ... essaybay with essaybunch? let's get real here, pls
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chacha421 Member Joined: Jun 17, 09 Topics: 4 Posts: 548
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Jun 24, 09, 06:04AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: As do all countries ... Whats the difference then???? OxbridgeResearchers: is Essaybrunch a registered company I am in no way associated with Essaybrunch but let me clear few of your concepts here.. Why we are assuming that essay writing services should be registered companies? Entrepreneurships are mostly run as sole propritership concerns and such form of business is under no obligation to register themselves except with the tax authorities? as per law only companies and partnerships are required to register themselves with authorites..
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chacha421 Member Joined: Jun 17, 09 Topics: 4 Posts: 548
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| Edited by: chacha421 Jun 24, 09, 06:06AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: The others do not outsource their work, they do not hire ESL writers .... They do... Academicknowledge.com- their flagship company- hire writers from outside UK
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chacha421 Member Joined: Jun 17, 09 Topics: 4 Posts: 548
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| Edited by: chacha421 Jun 24, 09, 06:08AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: trying to trash a legitimate company Even if they cheat?? thats what i call legal fraud.. keep cheating people because you are a legitimate company.... do you mean being a legit company gives you a license to cheat?
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