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Oct 19, 08, 09:25PM
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venus: Mind you, Filipino students are usually (I don' say always) better than American students. Ghost writing is a never-heard concept here, as it is only prevalent among Americans and British students who whimper about writing their own papers.
Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion? To be frank, this claim comes up fairly often on the boards and it's getting tiresome. Making such an argument does nothing to strengthen your position and instead, frankly, detracts from it. It shows your own ugly prejudice.
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Oct 19, 08, 09:32PM
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Lavinia: Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion? To be frank, this claim comes up fairly often on the boards and it's getting tiresome. Making such an argument does nothing to strengthen your position and instead, frankly, detracts from it. It shows your own ugly prejudice.
Talk about ugly prejudices! Don't we all have them? Look at how the threads in here abound with racist ariculations on the aspect that ESL writers write for research companies and how American writers view this fact with disdain and abhorrence!
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Oct 19, 08, 09:40PM
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Other people's prejudice is a poor justification for spreading one's personal biases. And it's particularly hypocritical when you say "shame on WB and EW" when you do the same thing.
Personally, I'd like to think that we don't all have ugly prejudices and that we at least have the good manners to not air them publicly.
And I think you're misreading the arguments made. Complaining that ESL writers are lying to their customers by claiming to be American or British is hardly racist - it's simply pointing out that a fraud is occuring. In my experience, the only people who claim this is racism are the ones perpetrating the fraud.
I'm an American writer who "views this fact with disdain and abhorrence." That's not me being racist and it's insulting for you to suggest such a thing. Lying is wrong. People shouldn't do it. Period.
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Oct 19, 08, 09:56PM
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It is this racist stance against them that prompted Ukrainian and Pakistani research websites to pose as American/British companies, since they know that they'd rip no earnings had they stood up to their real identities, given the still prevailing racist mentality among countries. I don' say what they do isn't wrong; it certainly is and is in fact a form of fraud. Whenever American writers/students here find out about the identities of these websites, how disdainful they become! It's as though suddenly discovering that a rat is doing all the delicious cooking all along! You cannot stomach that an ESL writer is doing all the writing for an American/British student because they're only ESL writers! What a shame! Put demise in your own racist mentality and I'll put demise on mine that Filipinos are better than any of you. Send a Filipino to Harvard or Stanford, and witness how he kicks the native citizens academically. Send here an American/British student and see how they snuggle in the corner during academic disputes dominated by Filipino intellectuals. I know, because I've had a handful of them as classmates in college and in graduate school! During group projects, they rely on the leader – a Filipino! They are arrogant beasts that look down on other races but are full of frailties themselves, and much worse than they claim ESL writers to be!
Now, they're asking in this thread: "Do you think Venus is capable to write for American consumers?" This narrowly cheap question, which is replied to by another narrowly cheap answer only exhibits how lowly their intellectual capacity is, which is only limited to howling intrigues.
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Edited by: venus Oct 19, 08, 10:05PM
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And excuse me, Lavinia; we don't pretend to be American/British writers. The websites may claim such, but we never claim the same. I can speak for myself and other friends in the same research business, that we are proud to be Filipinos. The usual rule of websites is not to discuss personal circumstances to clients, only about the assignments. Sociologically speaking, this would be explained by the looming danger of their businesses had the identities of writers be known, given the anti-ESL stances of American and British consumers for which websites can't be totally blamed for - objecively speaking.
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Edited by: Lavinia Oct 19, 08, 10:14PM
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Venus, you're jumping to conclusions and making yourself appear foolish as a result. If you'd bother to read my posts, you'd see that I have said many complimentary things about ESL writers. I don't object to their decision to write for American writers. I object to the subset of them that lie in order to get business.
You, on the other hand, are spreading ugly, discriminatory views based on nothing but your very limited life experience. How can you not see the difference?
And I think that you're simply incorrect that racism is the only reason that Americans (or any other group) would want native writers to write for them. It's entirely reasonable for a consumer to want a writer who is familiar with the student's school system, citation styles and subjects. In addition, language choices vary considerably.
I don't pretend that I'm as qualified to write for a British or Indian or Australian student as I am to write for American students. And I have enough self respect to not lie to potential consumers to get business. I think it's rather hubristic of you to claim that native origin doesn't matter. Your own posts are riddled with grammatical errors that apparently appear fine to you and so you continue to fool yourself into thinking that your language abilities are good enough to write professionally. But the grammar errors wouldn't be so bad if you weren't also making extensive lexical errors - collocation errors, partial synonymy errors and other lexical mistakes. If you can't see that, there really isn't anything that I can say to convince you otherwise, but you're only fooling yourself.
BTW, I went to one of the Ivy schools. You don't impress me and neither do your insults.
venus: Now, they're asking in this thread: "Do you think Venus is capable to write for American consumers?" This narrowly cheap question, which is replied to by another narrowly cheap answer only exhibits how lowly their intellectual capacity is, which is only limited to howling intrigues.
EW isn't American but you assume he is... that kinda hurts your claim of competence, doesn't it?
And please, the "I'm not lying, it's just my employer's lie" excuse is so lame. You're enabling fraud. You know it's occuring and you're supporting it by writing for these companies. It's frankly really stupid for you or anyone else to work for these companies when you know they're lying to customers - there is NOTHING that stops them from lying to you as well. Which is why the biggest frauds ripping off writers are almost ALWAYS these same companies. They're equal opportunity frauds.
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Edited by: venus Oct 19, 08, 10:29PM
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venus: And please, the "I'm not lying, it's just my employer's lie" excuse is so lame. You're enabling fraud. You know it's occuring and you're supporting it by writing for these companies. It's frankly really stupid for you or anyone else to work for these companies when you know they're lying to customers - there is NOTHING that stops them from lying to you as well. Which is why the biggest frauds ripping off writers are almost ALWAYS these same companies. They're equal opportunity frauds.
I AM NOT making excuses, Lavinia! FYI, I tell customers that I am a Filipino! I even had a little dispute with a website about this, as the Admin informed me about not disclosing my identity! Don't you accuse me of submitting to lying just because the website I write for claim that they hire only American and British writers.
In fact, YOU are a fraud yourself. Go figure that out.
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Edited by: Lavinia Oct 19, 08, 10:36PM
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You work for a company that you know is lying to consumers. If you keep working for them, that makes you a fraud too.
Go find a job that doesn't require you to cheat people.
You're also a bigot with horrible writing skills. I feel sorry for the customers you're defrauding.
But I look forward to laughing at you the next time you post complaining because one of these rip off companies decided to not pay you.
PS. I'm not a fraud. You don't have an argument. Stop posing.
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Oct 19, 08, 10:49PM
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venus: I just don't know about these two cheap personages- EW_Writer and EssayBeware
Hey, EW, we're finally a team!
Venus, I tried to take the polite route with you, but you're clearly classless AND clueless.
There are so many errors in your posts that I don't even know where to begin my critique. The sad part is that you honestly believe that you're a qualified writer, and THAT is precisely how you rip-off American customers, albeit unknowingly.
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Oct 19, 08, 10:50PM
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Lavinia: You work for a company that you know is lying to consumers. If you keep working for them, that makes you a fraud too. Go find a job that doesn't require you to cheat people. You're also a bigot with horrible writing skills. I feel sorry for the customers you're defrauding. But I look forward to laughing at you the next time you post complaining because one of these rip off companies decided to not pay you. PS. I'm not a fraud. You don't have an argument. Stop posing.
Lol! Isn't the fact that you do ghost writing a fraud in itself, consitituting your own contributions for academic dishonesty?
Clam up.
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Oct 19, 08, 10:53PM
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Seriously, is that your best argument Venus?
I would crush it but it's been discussed to death already on this forum 1000 times by smarter people than you. Use the search function to figure out why you're wrong or at least ask EW to help coach you on making better arguments.
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Oct 19, 08, 10:56PM
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Lavinia, you pretty much covered all of my would-be responses to the racist.
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Oct 19, 08, 11:00PM
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EW, venus is giving a bad name to ESL writers with legitimate skills. Do you want to handle the reality check? I'm not really up to dealing with his/her error in every other word.
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Edited by: venus Oct 19, 08, 11:02PM
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Whether it's been discussed or not doesn't make the topic obsolete, thus making me no need for a coach or resort to some search engines. You are exhibiting your own foolishness by saying that I'm a writer with horrible writing skills, drawing the arguments away from the real concern.
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Oct 19, 08, 11:51PM
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Venus, you conceded all my points - from your poor lexical grasp of English to your racist assumptions about the intellectual capabilities of Americans to your lack of evidence to support your views to your hypocrisy to your erroneous assumption that EW is American. I'm not going to retype the same arguments that you want to pretend don't exist in the hopes that next time, maybe you'll respond.
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Edited by: venus Oct 20, 08, 12:07AM
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You are the hypocrite one, Lavinia, and don't you accuse me of poor lexical grasp of English when you, yourself can't make use of correct punctuation. My English may not sound Americanized, but there are variations of the usage of the English language, taking the post-modern position on the usage of the language. If to involve even the wrong assumption about EW Writer being an American is conceding all your points, then, I pity you for lack of better grounds.
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Edited by: writer911 Oct 20, 08, 12:40AM
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well?
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Edited by: Lavinia Oct 20, 08, 12:50AM
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venus: You are the hypocrite one, Lavinia, and don't you accuse me of poor lexical grasp of English when you, yourself can't make use of correct punctuation. My English may not sound Americanized, but there are variations of the usage of the English language, taking the post-modern position on the usage of the language. If to involve even the wrong assumption about EW Writer being an American is conceding all your points, then, I pity you for lack of better grounds.
lol.
Yes, I am certain that clients want "post-modern" writing styles. That's what they intend to purchase!
Your whole point was how discriminatory Americans are by pointing to EW and WB - the fact that EW isn't American demonstrates
1) your comprehension isn't as good as you think it is
2) you failed to prove your point
The fact that you lecture while being more biased than either EW or WB were proves you're a hypocrite. Good night.
PS - Writer 911, you crack me up. Too frightened to promote your prejudiced views in English? The English word for that is cowardice, add that to you vocabulary. Yes, I'm a brilliant math and science scholar. If you can't qualify for Mensa, don't even think about comparing your IQ to mine. I don't see you getting into MIT anytime soon, genius.
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Oct 20, 08, 12:57AM
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Lavinia: PS - Writer 911, you crack me up. Too frightened to promote your prejudiced views in English? The English word for that is cowardice, add that to you vocabulary. Yes, I'm a brilliant math and science scholar. If you can't qualify for Mensa, don't even think about comparing your IQ to mine. I don't see you getting into MIT anytime soon, genius.
lol! Then why don't you have a career?!
If ghost writing is a career to you, then go make my day, idiot!
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Edited by: Lavinia Oct 20, 08, 01:01AM
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Damn, you hurt my feelings writer911. I was so hoping that you'd start sexually harassing me for dates like you did WB.
But have you forgotten that you're a writer too? Or are you still trying to convince people that you're a customer in order to pimp your services, you crook.
I have a wonderful career, thank you. I got a new puppy last week that I bought for 800$. How many pages do you have to write at 2$ per page to make that oh math genius?
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Oct 20, 08, 01:02AM
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Both Lavinia and Writer911 are our friends. So please................
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Edited by: Lavinia Oct 20, 08, 01:03AM
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Writer 911 is a fraud who claimed to be a writer first and then later pretended to be a customer in order to promote himself as a writer - check the links I posted. He's just mad at me b/c I caught him a few weeks ago.
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Edited by: writer911 Oct 20, 08, 01:04AM
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Moderator, I kindly ask you to delete ALL the disrespecful and anatagonistic posts that thrive in most threads here led by WritersBeware. Her posts are just as antagonistic as my conversation with VEnus in Tagalog, or even more rude and below the belt. Please pay attenion to them and be objective as to what to delete and what to retain.
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Edited by: Lavinia Oct 20, 08, 01:06AM
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Oh please, if we're going to request anything of the moderator:
Please ban Writer911. He's the only one in this thread who has actively attempted to use this forum to cheat customers by endorsing himself.
It is so ridiculous that a forum devoted to exposing frauds has to get tainted by crooks still lying to consumers.
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Oct 20, 08, 01:07AM
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Lavinia: I got a new puppy last week that I bought for 800$. How many pages do you have to write at 2$ per page to make that oh math genius?
LOL!
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Oct 20, 08, 01:11AM
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Lavinia: Writer 911 is a fraud who claimed to be a writer first and then later pretended to be a customer in order to promote himself as a writer - check the links I posted. He's just mad at me b/c I caught him a few weeks ago.
So what? Aren't you a pretender yourself? Ms. CAREER woman who just got herself a puppy lately! Go, go, go!
Hit me about the English language and I'll tell you what! You're a LOSER, that's why you are here, ghost writing for American and British students because you can't find a more decent job there in the United States! I am richer than you are because even if I'm paid $20 for a page, that means more than purchasing a happy meal at McDonalds which costs only $1 here, by the way, while yours can't even sustain a monthly house rental!
You stupid felon!
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Oct 20, 08, 01:11AM
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Hi Lavinia,
Let us quit it all. Be calm please...... I know writer911 start this quarrel first. But you will be great enough to stop it.
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Oct 20, 08, 01:13AM
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Oh, How truth hurts!
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Oct 20, 08, 01:14AM
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I did not start the quarrel, FRacturegang! Go read the posts and see who did. I am not mean to anyone, bu if you take a fight on me, I'll kick your ass to the ground.
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Oct 20, 08, 01:16AM
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now tell me what ghost writing is. I know something. A ghost is a supernatural being that............
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 20, 08, 01:18AM
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writer911: You stupid felon!
writer911: I'll kick your ass to the ground.
I think we've all had enough of writer911.
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Oct 20, 08, 01:18AM
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So, what do we have here? =) My friend writer 911 came to my rescue while I was taking my lunch.
Lol! How funny, using a purchase of a puppy in defense of earning much. lol! I think the subject was a career, not a puppy. =)
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Oct 20, 08, 01:19AM
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hi! writer911,
Look at your own ass. You have already been kicked. Your ass is now aching and it is reddish. you need ointment and I have it for you. it is also a kick.
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Oct 20, 08, 01:19AM
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Ghost Writing
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Writer911, I made more last year as an individual than double what the average household makes in the U.S. I'll let you look up that particular stat yourself. Qualified, professional writers can make an excellent living.
And I didn't even have to pretend to be a customer to trick people into hiring me either. That sound familiar?
Btw, I don't rent. I own.
I'm neither a felon nor a pretender. I'll forgive you the insults since you probably don't know what they mean anyway.
PS - My first published story was about a time travel.
Not quite a ghost, sadly.
Fracture, the effort to be civil is appreciated. Time for me to take out the puppy anyway. G'nite.
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Oct 20, 08, 01:20AM
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Hi! 911,
You have been kicked by a.....
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Edited by: Fracturegang Oct 20, 08, 01:22AM
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thank you, writersBeware.
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Oct 20, 08, 01:24AM
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Ok, guys enough of this. This is very child-like. And you, fracturegang, shouldn't get yourself involved in the fight. Enough, enough. I'm here to advocate against essaywriters.net and not to pick fights with any of you. Damn too distressful! Whoa!
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Oct 20, 08, 01:29AM
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Lavinia: And I didn't even have to pretend to be a customer to trick people into hiring me either. That sound familiar?
Correction: Must be 'sounds,' not 'sound.' You better have a review of subject-verb agreement, felon.
Truth hurts, right, Ms. Career woman without a career?
G'Night, sleep well. =)
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Oct 20, 08, 01:30AM
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and you WritersBeware a.k.a. Lavinia, considering that I got a crush on you at first....!
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