| Lavinia |
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Apr 3, 08, 08:20PM
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strugglingstudent: Sites mentioned on here will continue to thrive despite all of WB's protestations because the students either cannot afford to pay the higher prices of the better companies or are unwilling to pay the higher prices.
Again, you are missing an all important and large third group. These are the students who choose a company like MasterPapers because they think they are getting American writers at a bargain price. Only later do they find out, when their paper is trash and being ignored by customer service, that they were cheated by a company lying about hiring Americans.
strugglingstudent: It is virtually impossible to buy a car that is 100% British nowadays as so many of the car companies have been sold off to overseas companies.
I think this whole car analogy is really bad. First, car companies don't lie about where they are based and where the cars are made. Second, car companies are held to the same standards and are closely regulated - ie, Toyota can't build a dud that is sold in the US that fails to meet emissions. Third, conscientious shoppers can still buy cars that are manufactured in the US. I don't drive a Ford (sorry WB) but both of our family cars were built in the US. My first car was a Ford and I certainly did get it back then in part b/c it was an American car.
And also, outsourcing in this industry doesn't really work like it does elsewhere. An orange is still an orange whether it is grown in Florida or the Dominican Republic. A Ford car and a Toyota car... still a car.
A paper that is produced by a student from the US and a student from DR is going to be very different b/c the students were produced in different school systems. I don't even write for British students b/c frankly I don't know and have no interest in learning UK educational standards or citation styles. Some of these ESL writers think that just speaking English is sufficient to produce a quality essay and I disagree.
strugglingstudent: The students who complain on here do not complain about having been conned into believing that this was a native company they complain about late delivery of work, standard of work, and the price charged.
You're ignoring the fact that the majority of complaints are directed toward the companies that lie about hiring American writers only. The two are linked. If these students weren't being initially conned, they wouldn't be posting.
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| strugglingstudent |
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Apr 3, 08, 11:49PM
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Lavinia: Again, you are missing an all important and large third group. These are the students who choose a company like MasterPapers because they think they are getting American writers at a bargain price. Only later do they find out, when their paper is trash and being ignored by customer service, that they were cheated by a company lying about hiring Americans
How can you be ABSOLUTELY certain that none of the people who work for these companies are not AMERICAN. These sites have been slated so much on here (and that is none of my concern either way) that NO American writer would ever dare admit they have written for this company for fear of been branded a criminal by WB.
Lavinia: I don't even write for British students b/c frankly I don't know and have no interest in learning UK educational standards or citation styles.
Likewise if I were a writer (which I'm not) I would never write for anything other than UK students especially since my speciality is law and I would not have a clue about overseas legislation as well as writing styles etc.
Lavinia: I think this whole car analogy is really bad. First, car companies don't lie about where they are based and where the cars are made. Second, car companies are held to the same standards and are closely regulated - ie, Toyota can't build a dud that is sold in the US that fails to meet emissions. Third, conscientious shoppers can still buy cars that are manufactured in the US. I don't drive a Ford (sorry WB) but both of our family cars were built in the US. My first car was a Ford and I certainly did get it back then in part b/c it was an American car.
Maybe that was not such a good choice but the point I was trying to make is that many people buy goods NOT manufactured in their own country because they are cheaper. Not that many people are bothered about supporting their countries own economy. In the same way students are not necessarily concerned with where the paper is written so long as its well written AND inexpensive.
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| Lavinia |
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Edited by: Lavinia Apr 4, 08, 12:13AM
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strugglingstudent: How can you be ABSOLUTELY certain that none of the people who work for these companies are not AMERICAN.
I don't have to be certain of that. These companies claim to ONLY hire American and British writers, which we all know to be false.
strugglingstudent: These sites have been slated so much on here (and that is none of my concern either way) that NO American writer would ever dare admit they have written for this company for fear of been branded a criminal by WB.
American writers have stated that they accept working for 4-6$ per page; they got no wrath from WB that I remember. You just have to go back a few months to find the posts.
I think the low number of American writers who admit to working for 4-6$ per page isn't b/c they're afraid of Wb, it's b/c they're rare. B/c 4-6$ per page is a pittance in the U.S. With minimum wage laws poised to move some states above 10$ an hour, I don't see a person with a degree or two writing for that, full or part time.
strugglingstudent: Maybe that was not such a good choice but the point I was trying to make is that many people buy goods NOT manufactured in their own country because they are cheaper. Not that many people are bothered about supporting their countries own economy. In the same way students are not necessarily concerned with where the paper is written so long as its well written AND inexpensive.
Well sure, some care about the nation of origin, some don't. But the real point is that these companies deprive consumers of important information that could and likely does impact their decisions.
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| WritersBeware |
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Apr 4, 08, 01:41AM
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strugglingstudent: NO American writer would ever dare admit they have written for this company for fear of been branded a criminal by WB.
At least American writers have shame. Regardless, as Lavinia has correctly stated, American writers don't post about working for the Ukrainian/Pakistani rip-off sites because American writers are few and far between in the ranks of foreign sites' writer pools. It's as simple as that.
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Jun 2, 08, 09:19PM
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strugglingstudent: The fact of life is that if you compromise on price you invariably compromise on quality. Sites mentioned on here will continue to thrive despite all of WB's protestations because the students either cannot afford to pay the higher prices of the better companies or are unwilling to pay the higher prices.
Right on, struggling.
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Edited by: kareng Jun 2, 08, 09:21PM
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WritersBeware: At least American writers have shame. Regardless, as Lavinia has correctly stated, American writers don't post about working for the Ukrainian/Pakistani rip-off sites because American writers are few and far between in the ranks of foreign sites' writer pools. It's as simple as that.
ooooh, the sheer superiority of the American people. I'm lovin' it!!!
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| Lavinia |
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Jun 2, 08, 09:23PM
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kareng: ooooh, the sheer superiority of the American people. I'm lovin' it!!!
Wow, you are a marketing genius for EW. Really. I'm sure the consumers who browse this board will be clamoring to hire you.
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| kareng |
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Jun 2, 08, 09:33PM
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Lavinia: Wow, you are a marketing genius for EW. Really. I'm sure the consumers who browse this board will be clamoring to hire you.
did I, in any post, ever marketed for EW?? remind me, pleaaaseee.. these memory gaps, they irritate me. where is WB? why isnt WB here when Lavinia is here?? hmm.. must be the heat. the heat is getting into me.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 2, 08, 09:50PM
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kareng: did I, in any post, ever marketed for EW?
Well, you continue to give BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com some BAD marketing with that terrible grammar of yours.
Students, if you order quickly from BestEssays.com, maybe you'll be lucky enough to secure kareng as your writer. Then, you can spend all day correcting his/her plethora of 6th grade mistakes.
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| Lavinia |
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Edited by: Lavinia Jun 2, 08, 09:55PM
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kareng: did I, in any post, ever marketed for EW?? remind me, pleaaaseee.. these memory gaps, they irritate me. where is WB? why isnt WB here when Lavinia is here?? hmm.. must be the heat. the heat is getting into me.
Lol. You are really presenting your company and your product to your intended audience so well. I'm sure that the consumers reading this forum will love you calling them lazy and stupid. Keep posting, please.
PS - You can tell us apart by our cars. I drive a hot little convertible, WB drives a gas guzzling monster truck.
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Jun 2, 08, 10:36PM
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Hmm.. anybody miss me? :p
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| Lavinia |
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Jun 2, 08, 10:42PM
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EW, you need to reign in your co-worker.
Work finally slow down for you? I have been enjoying a self-imposed rest this last week.
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Jun 2, 08, 10:46PM
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EW_writer: Hmm.. anybody miss me? :p
Yes. Let's fight.
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| Lavinia |
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Jun 3, 08, 12:07AM
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lol.
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Jun 3, 08, 02:12AM
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Lavinia: EW, you need to reign in your co-worker.
I'm too lazy to read more than a couple of her posts. (no offense meant towards anyone, I really am just too lazy.)
Lavinia: Work finally slow down for you? I have been enjoying a self-imposed rest this last week.
Yep, it has. ^_^ I just got back from a vacation trip and I'm just waiting for my day job to take full swing. XD Good for you. :)
WritersBeware: Yes. Let's fight.
About what? I think by now we've both established how senseless the exercise is. :p It's not like we can close each other's companies down by tearing at each other with words (awaits a barrage of "I'm not working for any company" hehehe).
On a side note, I'm glad that people have been paying attention to this forum. I was actually able to get a couple of direct clients from it. :) More power to ya'!
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Jun 3, 08, 07:07AM
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EW_writer: I'm glad that people have been paying attention to this forum
It is lazytime for writers anyway. Hardly any work. I have realised that it is not a paying profession, and sometimes downright frustrating. I do some part time psychological counselling, computer work like websites, posters and collages. Still, the writing bug does not leave one so easily and might start all over again at a later stage; not now; being busy with Freud.
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| Lavinia |
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Jun 3, 08, 01:48PM
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FrostatMidnight: I have realised that it is not a paying profession, and sometimes downright frustrating.
Well, I think that is a bit too general a statement. Maybe it didn't work for you but that doesn't mean that it isn't a paying profession. In the two years I've been doing this, I love it. It pays very well, I make my own hours, and I can work in the convenience of home everyday. No job is free from frustration and with a good support team, the frustration is minimal. It's a constant and total win.
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Jun 3, 08, 05:51PM
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Lavinia: It's a constant and total win.
That is why I mentioned that I might return to it at a later stage. The best thing about writing is the enormous in-depth knowledge one acquires in the process. I am finding that psychological counselling is extremely interesting and computer design pays very well and they are not seasonal. Still, all of them could be difficult with two ongoing researches on highly diverse topics! Not complaining; my own choice.
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