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Edited by: fricative Nov 5, 10, 01:34PM
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Dear all,
I worked for essaywriters.net for over a month but I stopped when they made me rewrite a paper adding 4 or 5 more pages (outline, sidenotes, explanation on how I got to that conclusion, etc..) for the same money as writing one page ($3).
I told the support service that the student (an ESL -like me- who couldn't see the difference between "different" and "difficult") had surely been caught by his teacher, therefore he wanted the prove that he had written the essay, but they penalized me when I failed to submit a second assignment which included 3 or 4 more pages.
I would like to know if demanding 4 pages and paying only 1 is normal in this bussiness or is it just an essaywriter's issue?
Before you attack me regarding my non-native English, I'd like to tell you that I only write essays for those who specifically state that are ESL students. They prefer a non-native cos otherwise it'll be too obvious that they may be cheating.
Cheers.
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| WritersBeware |
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Nov 5, 10, 02:04PM
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You normally write for $3 per page? Why would you let those Ukrainian fraudsters RAPE you like that?
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| WRT |
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Nov 5, 10, 03:50PM
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First - $3 is unheard of. Outright theft and exploitation ...
Second - no company would ever ask it's writers to add more pages FOR FREE
Third - you are not supposed to revise any order unless you did not follow the original instructions or provided shoddy, unusable work. You should never revise a paper based on the tutor's instructions.
What you are describing is unique to EW and a handful of others. It is neither common nor acceptable industry-wide practice.
Stop writing for them.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Nov 5, 10, 03:53PM
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WRT: What you are describing is unique to EW and a handful of others. It is neither common nor acceptable industry-wide practice.
Fricative, Yuri Mizyuk laughs at you (and his other exploitation victims) on his way to the bank in Kiev.
Don't expect help from others until you first take a stand and help yourself.
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Nov 5, 10, 04:22PM
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WRT: You should never revise a paper based on the tutor's instructions.
Tutor's instructions drive me insane with revisions. It's like writing an entirely new paper. I'd like to just tell the customer to pay for new stuff, but most sites I've worked with expect writers to take care of this. do you have any suggestions to avoid getting saddled with these rewrites?
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| fricative |
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Nov 5, 10, 04:30PM
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WritersBeware: You normally write for $3 per page? Why would you let those Ukrainian fraudsters RAPE you like that?
I have never worked for $3 per page. The thing is that I have never written essays for lazy students before. I thought I could give it a try but I was very careful (after reading this forum) of not taking essays from native English students. I only took Multiple Choice tests and essays from ESLs who specifically asked for simple ESL grammar and vocabulary. I only worked on subjects that I was acquainted with, i.e. subjects I enjoy writing about. Therefore, 3$ per page was a plus.
WRT: What you are describing is unique to EW and a handful of others. It is neither common nor acceptable industry-wide practice. Stop writing for them.
I am no longer writing for them. I have given up on writing at all!! Not my cup of tea writing for demanding, spoiled, lazy students.
WritersBeware: Don't expect help from others until you first take a stand and help yourself.
I wasn't expecting "help", although you helped me to make up my mind.
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Nov 5, 10, 04:41PM
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By accepting to write a paper for that much, you may have given EW reason to believe that you have nothing more valuable to do with your time, which gives them a lot of power over you.
The fact that you are writing a paper for a student, whose first language is not English does not make the job any easier- you will still have to search for, and present the correct facts in a coherent manner.So, If from your end all you see are orders paying $3/page, I would strongly suggest that you change employers or go in to another field altogether.
And my the way, I regularly write more pages than those that appear on the order specs, but I am not saying that customers have a right to demand more than what they pay for. Its just that at $3 you'll not have any willpower left to add a single extra letter.
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Nov 5, 10, 05:22PM
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forumregulator: By accepting to write a paper for that much, you may have given EW reason to believe that you have nothing more valuable to do with your time, which gives them a lot of power over you. Its just that at $3 you'll not have any willpower left to add a single extra letter.
I completely agree with you.
They take advantage of writers whose only income comes from this kind of sites and many of them live in poor countries, therefore, $3 per page is extremely lucrative if one is able to write hundreds of pages per month (leaving aside quality issues). Quantity, in this case, is what really matters!!
As you say, EWs believe, and they're usually right, that the writer "has nothing more valuable to do with his/her time".
If EW exploit its writers is because there are writers who allow to be exploited.
However, we cannot judge how people try to survive.
I have given up writing for this EW for two reasons.
The first one is because I don't need the little money they pay me for such hard work.
The second reason concerns morality.
I am finishing my degree in English Philology and it hasn't been easy to get here.
I can't bear to think that any posh, rich, lazy youngster is getting his/her degree by means of exploitation. Many forthcoming graduates won't be able to write a simple essay because they had the money to enslave writers.
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Nov 5, 10, 06:49PM
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fricative:
i didnt understand your relation between the student being caught and rewriting free pages...
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Nov 5, 10, 07:11PM
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fricative: $3 per page is extremely lucrative if one
I disagree on this one. If that was the case, then $3/page would be the going rate by now because there would be enough supply of writers willing to do it for that much. We would all be forced to quote that figure or risk losing work to an an equally competent writer willing to take that kind of pay you are talking about.
The point of the matter is; all good writers, regardless of the cost of living index in their countries charge almost the same figure.
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Edited by: pheelyks Nov 5, 10, 08:27PM
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fricative: EWs believe, and they're usually right, that the writer "has nothing more valuable to do with his/her time".
Not that I condone EW's business practices, but this is the case with almost EVERY company involved in ANY industry--this is the essence of capitalism. Workers perform the jobs that provide them the most value (in terms of money as well as other considerations). Employers must offer enough compensation to make a job worthwhile in order to get the level of talent desired--if they don't really care about that talent level a whole lot, they'll pay as little as they can and get the sh*ttiest people willing to perform for those wages. As wages increase, so will the quality of talent attracted to a given company (there are obviously some limits to this over-simplification, but it generally holds true). The fact that you were willing to work for these prices in the first place means either a) you didn't have anything more valuable to do, or b) you were not very bright when weighing your options as to how to spend your limited time
fricative: I don't need the little money they pay me for such hard work.
Then why were you working for them in the first place?
fricative: I can't bear to think that any posh, rich, lazy youngster is getting his/her degree by means of exploitation.
Then why are you in this industry in the first place?
forumregulator: all good writers, regardless of the cost of living index in their countries charge almost the same figure.
No, they don't. Definitions of "good" are debatable here, but if I were living in India I'd be willing to work for less because I could live a lot better on half of my current earnings. Hell, I could live better if I moved to Ohio. The trade off just isn't worth it--I'd have to live in India (or worse, Ohio). For people that already live in these places, lower wages aren't a big deal (depending on how low they go).
The other issue when companies are involved is the difference between what the customer is charged and what the writer is paid; I would expect the same pay rate if the company was still charging the customers the same, but if the company charged less in order to attract business, I stand by my above argument.
What exactly is your position in this industry, forumregulator?
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Nov 5, 10, 11:11PM
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pheelyks: I'd have to live in India (or worse, Ohio).
Love it!
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| WRT |
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Nov 6, 10, 02:24AM
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jwolfe2: do you have any suggestions to avoid getting saddled with these rewrites?
JW - if you've followed the initial set of instructions and have provided the customer with what they've asked for, you need to simply refuse. Any good company would side with their writers on this.
Just yesterday one of our customers angrily blasted one of our top writers. Guess what the problem was? He did not like the default margins (set by MS Word), wanted a different font (the writer had used Ariel) and DEMANDED a cover page with HIS NAME ON IT. Had we given in and accepted his demands and allowed him to treat the writer like that, we would be in the wrong - opening a floodgate of ridiculous revision requests and, effectively, eating away at the writer's time, thereby lowering his income (time spent on stupid revisions is time which could be spent on writing a new paper). Better to let go of a customer than a good writer.
In comparison, a couple of weeks ago, one of our writers decided that she could liberally interpret the instructions and, to make matters worse, provide 2000 words instead of the 4000 the customer paid for. Thankfully, there's a a gap between customer and writer due dates. We went over it, explained that it had to be rewritten and her response was "go jump in the lake, you scammers" :) We fired her and she proceeded to demand full pay for the 4000 words or else she'd post the work here and on other forums - we told her to go ahead and post it as the work was trashed and not a sentence of it was used in the rewrite :)
What I am saying is that the way to avoid wasting your time on revisions is by carefully selecting the company you work with and when you take an order, satisfy the instructions and provide quality.
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| WRT |
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Nov 6, 10, 02:26AM
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fricative: Not my cup of tea writing for demanding, spoiled, lazy students.
Not all of them are like that. Many are mature and intelligent yong people who need guidance. So, just as we ask that customers not lump us all together - the good and the bad -, we should offer them the same courtesy. Don't make sweeping statements ...
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Nov 6, 10, 07:01AM
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i_will_pass: fricative: i didnt understand your relation between the student being caught and rewriting free pages...
The teacher needed to corroborate that the student had written the essay (3 or 4 more pages: outline, side notes, 200/300 words describing how I got to such conclusion, etc..).
pheelyks: Then why are you in this industry in the first place?
It felt nice being paid for writing. I just wanted to give it a try. I am not in this industry anymore.
WRT: Not all of them are like that. Many are mature and intelligent yong people who need guidance. So, just as we ask that customers not lump us all together - the good and the bad -, we should offer them the same courtesy. Don't make sweeping statements ...
It's true. I do apologize for that stupid statement. Not all students are as I described. Lack of time it's another important reason to pay for an essay.
pheelyks: The fact that you were willing to work for these prices in the first place means either a) you didn't have anything more valuable to do, or b) you were not very bright when weighing your options as to how to spend your limited time
Both options are correct:
a) I was bored.
b) I'm not bright.
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Nov 6, 10, 08:58AM
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thanks for the response i appreciate it
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Nov 9, 10, 11:45PM
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Well that is way too less my friend.
You can also get paid more depending on the difficulty of the time remaining and difficulty level. Rush orders generally pay a little more.
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