EssayWriters.net And Content Gurus: The Inside Truth

Oct 25, 06, 07:15PM | #1

I would like to say I apologize for the fraudulent websites posted on the internet. We have all been deceived and writers have been exploited in numerous degrees. Right now, Essaywriters.net is the topic of choice because I have been a writer for their company. As I analyzed their site: misspelled words, improper English usage, customer service reps were NOT American, and the customers are ignorant.

Who purchases a paper online? Why are you attending school? I completed numerous assignments and did not receive my salary because of 'wire transfer requirements of 400USD'. This website is VERY, VERY fraudulent and unprofessional in many ways. In the same sense, there are other websites using writers to produce high-quality work for companies at an unfair price.

We, as writers, must work against these scammers. On the other side, students SHOULD do their own work. I edited PowerPoint presentations, thesis, essays, and other documents in no time. I missed deadlines repeatedly and I supplied a fake name. The customer service representatives had a deep, thick accent that is NOT American in anyway. The assignments ranged from High School work to Doctoral dissertations. We are paid $4 per page - minimum; the only time a writer receives $16 is if the paper is due within 2 hours. What good is that for the students? I could copy and paste a paper together without a problem. Quick, simple cash in my pocket with no worries.

Another website I would like to touch on is Content Gurus; they do not complete the assignments alone. They hire inexperienced writers to complete keyword rich content at an unreasonable pay such as $2.50 an article for 400+ words. This is unacceptable! As a writer and business owner, I was very displeased with the pay, structure, and threats of the company. I would NOT want to associate myself with an outsourcer who handles editing the work but not completing it. What gives these companies the audacity to use writers in such a way? I refuse to follow suit any longer - I want REAL, SINCERE employers that allow growth within their writer pools. If you pay $13 per page for web copy, should it not be completed by a professional? These two companies use and throw around the materials just to remain in business. Do NOT associate yourself with work mills on the net. The best thing to do is to write your own papers and complete your own jobs.

Nov 10, 06, 11:35PM | #3

Thank you guys for sharing your thoughts here. I worked for www.essaywriters.net too. They are the biggest cheats I have ever ever encountered.

First they made excuses like "plagarism", etc and then they messed up my time settings so that my deadlines kept getting jumped. When I would email them or something, I would never get a reply. Twenty days in a month I am not able to log into my account. Finally I gave up. They never paid me for the orders they were kind enough to not cancel.

Also, since I live in a country like India, they paid me very low rates per page.

I would like to warn writers to stay away from this website.

Amy1978

Nov 13, 06, 03:53PM | #9

I'm not surprised that essaywriters.net hired you. They are located n Ukraine.

I hate to break it to you, devangini, but there are about 10 grammar and punctuation mistakes in your previous two posts, and you probably don't even realize it. You may THINK you are a quality writer by American standards, but you're not, and that's the problem with Indian/Pakistani writers, in general. American customers want American writers. Just because you can "speak English" (to a certain degree) does not make you a "professional writer," and it does not mean that you are qualified to write in English for American customers. This has nothing to do with the fact that you are Indian, so you and other ESL writers can try to pull the "race card" all you like. This has everything to do with the fact that you are not qualified to work for American clients who expect perfect grammar and perfect punctuation.

Nov 13, 06, 05:58PM | #10

Customers may expect perfect grammar and perfect punctuation but I've yet to find an essay company that delivers in both these respects, as well as providing good quality research. I've used seven different US essay companies (six of which were verified by another site that claims to check the companies credentials), and three different UK companies, and the writing quality varies tremendously even when the US / UK spelling differences are taken out of the equation.

Based on my experience, I think the problem is industry-wide as essay companies depend on freelance writers who need to churn out high volumes of essays to pay their bills. It's understandable that quality suffers as writers are trying to maximize the number of papers that they complete in any given period.

After trying several companies, the companies that I now return to have researchers who can at least develop a good argument based on a range of reputable / appropriate sources. It's not much of a hardship to go through the essay and make a few corrections here and there.

PS To Devangini: There are several royal academies in England, covering the arts, humanities, sciences and engineering: only the Royal Academy of Music, the Royal Academy of Arts, and the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts actually award degrees and none of these degrees are in "writing". The remaining royal academies house museum collections, libraries, and exhibitions; they also promote further learning in their respective areas by providing scholarships and bursaries to gifted postgraduate researchers and academics.

Nov 13, 06, 06:31PM | #12

I'd be amazed if a real PhD holder was writing essays for students but I suppose it is possible if the job market was poor wherever they were living, or if their home circumstances meant that they were unable to work in a more regular position.

At the moment I pay around $25 for 250 words with US companies and around $50 for 250 words with UK companies. The writers in both cases are college graduates (or so the websites claim!) but I wouldn't expect that they would have PhDs.

The maximum I would pay would depend upon assurances of quality as just because the writer has a PhD wouldn't necessarily mean that s/he was a great writer. If I found a really good writer, who happened to have a PhD, then I would say $75 an hour for research based on secondary material would be reasonable and more if I wanted original research done.

As someone who uses essay companies quite frequently it is interesting to see the variations within companies, in terms of quality, as well as between companies. I really prefer to use companies that allow you to request the same writer for repeat orders as sometimes you do come across a really good writer; knowing that the writer has a good grasp of their subject and has a good writing style takes a lot of the worry out of using essay companies. I don't mind tinkering with spelling and / or grammar if the essay content and writing style are both good.

Nov 14, 06, 10:56AM | #15

What an interesting thread.

I wonder if students do really want 'perfection' in spelling and grammar if they are planning to turn the purchased essays in as their own. Some time ago I read an article online, on the NY Times website I think, in which an unnamed professor said that if a student correctly used a semi colon in an essay then he considered that the essay was most likely plagiarised. Of course the professor might have been teaching at a particularly bad school but it does raise the point that even native speakers don't usually have a perfect grasp of grammar.

I suppose the point is that what students want is an essay that most closely matches their own academic standard. This is possibly why problems still occur even with 'good' essay companies as people do have different standards and expectations; what I may think is a good standard of research and writing may be very different to what someone else considers to be a good standard and, as a result, we will likely have very different opinions about the quality of the work supplied to us by the same writer / essay company.

Nov 16, 06, 10:13PM | #16

Dear Amy,

You seem to be living in a world of your own - but I dont mind pulling you out of it. You might have found a thousand grammer and spelling mistakes in my English because you people in the West donot understand the level of English we speak in India. Yes, I am Indian - NOT Pakistani. Also, when I do papers in GOOD English, the professors at your colleges always gag on that the paper has been bought. And then I have customers from your end of the world coming back to me crying about how their professors said the work was plagarised. You people are stuck in your own web and arrogant as hell about it.

Amy1978

Nov 17, 06, 01:02AM | #18

devangini,

Wrong. Your grammar is simply poor.

I clearly stated "Indian/Pakistani." Can you not read English, either?

Following are the errors in your previous two posts:

1. You may not use hyphens in place of m-dashes, which, by the way, do not have a space preceding of following;

2. "grammer" should be "grammar";

3. "when I do papers" should be "when I write papers";

4. "gag on that" = completely inappropriate word use;

5. "plagarised" should be "plagiarized" (or "plagiarised," in British spelling);

6. "guess what - the" should be "guess what? The";

7. "degree I did" should be "degree that I earned";

8. "The Writer's Bureau" should probably be in quotes;

9. Never start a sentence with "So";

10. "certificate says" should be "certificate reads";

11. "from the Royal Academy" should be "by the Royal Academy";

12. "Royal Academy" should probably be in quotes.

You're not qualified. Accept reality.

Nov 17, 06, 07:16AM | #19

Quoting: devangini, Post #17

And Dylan, guess what - the degree I did from The Writer's Bureau is affiliated to the Royal Academy. So I hate to break it you, but my certificate says I have been awarded my degree from the Royal Academy.

The Writer's Bureau don't award degrees or offer any degree courses - they offer home study open learning courses i.e courses open to anyone who can pay for them regardless of their qualifications (or lack of them). The Writers Bureau is accredited by The Open & Distance Learning Quality Council and is a member of the British Learning Association; it has no connection with any of the Royal Academies.

You may have a certificate saying you have been awarded a degree from the Royal Academy but if you do it is as fake as you are, as even those academies that do award degrees do not offer open or distance learning and the degrees are not franchised. I can make a certificate saying I graduated with highest honors from Yale but it doesn't make it true!

Nov 20, 06, 02:09PM | #23

Quoting: Dylan, Post #10

*)I just finished reading interviews with Ishiguro and some excerpts from his novels.
*)Amy Tan appeals to me too. They are not pulling the race card.
*)Salman Rushdie?
*)I happened to review Vikram Seth's books for a writing class. they have never used the race card. V.S.Naipal , the noble Laureate is known for his scathing criticisms of improper English. The sad part is that writers like "Devangini" assume that they are good writers and bring disgrace to writers from their country.

What one should keep in mind is that not everyone from these countries is ignorant or arrogant or both. This is from some one who works with a colleague who is always requested to proof manuscripts by tenured professors and very established writers. She hails from a similar country. She refuses to define anything unless she has grasped the exact lexical meaning and some of the etymology.
Why are we stating that an entire country or countries are made up of people who make such mistakes?

Nov 20, 06, 02:19PM | #24

You're quoting Amy1978 and not me, but that's not a problem.

I broadly agree with what you say. These people ruin reputations of an entire nation. The Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) is world class, and is in the same league as MIT, but presumably IIT graduates don't feel the need to pass themselves off as something thet are not. My objection to Devangini's posts is that he is clearly lying about his qualifications.

As for grammar, I'm sure that mine could do with sharpening up!

Nov 20, 06, 06:07PM | #25

Thank you for understanding, Dylan. Yes, I was quoting Amy1978.
I too, have heard about this school where the creme de' la creme end up. They are hired by the best companies, school and so on.
Unfortunately, even they are not so great when it comes to syntax, grammar and communication skills. Their pronunciation is shot to hell. They feel that since they are so brilliant, they do not have to speak better English!

I had a Chinese room-mate who could not pronounce the word vaccuum . What she said resembled "vako" Her own family members were better!
Normally, I would think that all Chinese are inept at mastering foreign languages. Enter Chen. Unless you saw him, you would not know that he is of Oriental "extraction". He made me rethink my position on their general learning abilities. Thank you for all your posts Dylan. I very nearly turned in an essay on DNA replication for Essaywriters.net. They seem to be based in Virginia, USA.

Nov 20, 06, 06:15PM | #26

This "writer" (devangini) is just one of the below average performers that you will come across in third world coutries. If he has to resort to writing for essaywriters.net, he probably is not good enough for other fields that are much sought after in the Indian subcontinent.

As for grammar, yes, I do have to look up some principles. I have, in the past, abused prepositions. That was until my mom chanced on a report I was turning in. I am still smarting from the remarks she made. :D

Nov 20, 06, 07:02PM | #29

Hmm , lets see: I encountered 300 students while finishing my PhD, I taught Intl students for 5 years. Amongst them 5-6 stood apart. I tried to go through the basics of "R.P" or recieved pronunciation, helped them listen to their speech w.r.t their american counterparts. My students refused to change much. Several years of
"40 hrs/wk" later , I gave up. I am not referring to the kids born here because they see themselves as Chinese Americans. The street term: ABCs or Amereican born chinese.
Who is the ignorant fool now? In addition, how come you werent offended by the sweeping generalizations made by Amy1978? Anyone who reads what i posted all the way to the end will understand that now, I see different.
If i am a racist, why would i like Ishiguro and Amy Tan's works in the first place? Would my disdain not "leak" into my choice of authors?
Oh yes, do read up on the reverse bias in Berlkley campus, and in Stanford for Asian applicants. Are they ignorant fools too?
Please tell them how to feel. In addition , do try to teach those F1 students the nuances of R.P and shine at it. Most TAs gave up quickly.
There are many facets, at least more than what you took away.
PS: My publication about the effect of bone structure changes on speech has been well cited. But then again most rednecks do get citations these days

Amy1978

Nov 20, 06, 08:37PM | #31

Hey "coders02,"

I don't make "sweeping generalizations." Everyone here knows that am referring specifically to the Indian and Pakistani writers who work for Essaywriters.net (Ukraine) and EssayRelief.com (Pakistan). You may want to direct your unfocussed attention to the title of the thread!

Those companies have virtually no standards. They will hire anybody with a typewriter and pass that writer off to customers as "master level." I will repeat once again that the ESL writers who work for those companies happen to be Indian and Pakistani, and they are terrible writers in the English language. However, at NO TIME did I ever state that "all Indians and Pakistanis" are morons or terrible writers. You need to read a little more closely.

Nov 20, 06, 09:15PM | #32

Hi coders02,

Amy1978 never stated ALL Indians and Pakistanis.

You said it yourself, "Amongst them 5-6 stood apart...My students refused to change much." Refusing to change much does not make them "inept at mastering foreign languages". Do you speak another language? Can you speak Chinese with no accent? I doubt it. Besides, I am sure you heard of the concept of critical age in language acquisition. Maybe your students already gave their best, but it is immensly difficult to change your accent once passed critical age.

There are more than 1.3 billion Chinese in the world, 5 times the population of the US . Having taught a handful of them and you jumped to the conclusion that "all Chinese are inept at mastering foreign languages", doesn't that make you look ignorant?

Nov 21, 06, 12:21AM | #33

"This has nothing to do with the fact that you are Indian, so you and other ESL writers can try to pull the "race card" all you like. "

No, Amy1978 never said ALL Indians and Pakistanis.
Does the above remark prove that? Does it completely absolve her ? ESL writers dont pull the race card.

1.3 million chinese: versus millions of ESL people. How many non-english speaking people are there in this world? Whose generalization was worse?
Amy1978 made a bigger generalization. You did not use an argument , but called me a racist and an ignorant fool.
Calling names must come easy to you.

I speak seven languages. I learnt them on my own. My most recent foray: Irish. The hard way, the hard kind. I learnt German from a nun. On the phone. Now , I am picking up Russian from a child.
I was told that no one can have a good thesis after 24. Mine shattered that myth.

I changed my "Taushr" ( Mandarin for teacher (?)) after the second semester because i needed to study the state of the art science being "done " in another lab. Yes, Madarin is only one of the languages I speak. As does Vikram Seth, an author orf Indian origin. so did Richard Feynman (?). Why did I not pick up Cantonese? My room mate said that I need to pick it up later, after grasping all the finer aspects of Madarin.

Why would you think/assume/infer/conclude that I taught a handful of them?
10 from each dept .
20 depts.
3 semesters.
5 years. Handfull? When you handle some of the brightest, you expect them to have better mental abilities. When their GRE scores are fabulous they enter the Comp Sci dept. Electrical engg dept
Math, Stat, Biomed engg,.. I could go on. Are my expectations misplaced? Should they not be expected to represent the best of their country? If they cant pick up, who can?

Nov 21, 06, 01:05AM | #36

The post about ESL writers is very prejudicial. If a Hungarian were brought up here, English would still be his /her second language. He or she might speak/write great English. Your statemnt assumes that ESL will be sub-standard.

In spite of incindiary remarks I can remain non-abusive. I wish the rest would be too!
May be its not enough that one's native tongue is English. I keep overlooking the fact that grammar and manners dont always go together!

Nov 21, 06, 01:59AM | #38

You may THINK you are a quality writer by American standards, but you're not, and that's the problem with Indian/Pakistani writers, in general.

The problem is that I did pay very good attention to what you said. A bit too much?

I also know of a mathematician whose English was terrible. He died at 33. He worked with a high school math text book and extended upon it . Hardy was mesmerized by his genius. He was Ramanujam. From India. Being inept at foriegn languages does not diminish anyone's talent or worth.

If I should not be making a generalization about people whose population is 1.3 million , then one needs to ask the following: How many Indian/Pakistani writers has one encountered?

Please keep in mind that they come from very densely populated counties as well. Please dont over look Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

I happen to know Indian writers who are very good, and are meticulous in their research.

I cannot speak for or about Pakistanis, I have very few colleagues from that country.

Amy1978

Nov 21, 06, 02:53AM | #39

"Being inept at foriegn languages does not diminish anyone's talent or worth."

Did I claim such? NO!

coders02, you clearly do not understand what I have explained to you or the TOPIC of this thread. This only strengthens my point. If I were to ask you to write a paper on my intentions in this thread, you would write a completely inaccurate paper because you don't understand the nuances of the English language, or tongue-in-cheek prose.

If you were to read, research, and write in your native language, I'm sure you would be quite good.

Nov 21, 06, 09:14AM | #40

Well, that's how long it takes the low-paid Pakistani and Indian writers who don't care about quality.
My calculus teacher was from a Middle Eastern country. He was a good teacher. He was very well paid.As were some other teachers from the countries you have such disdain for.

I do understand the tone, the cadence, the style and finally the intent behind your statements.
You assume that my native tongue is something other than English.
I think I can prove my hypothesis about your attitude(s) very clearly and conclusively.

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Dylan, good points. I have a question - how much maximum would you be willing per page (assume 250 words per page) to have a quality essay written for you? If the essay is to be written by a real "PhD holder", I guess the price would have to be hmm $60 per page? In general how much are students willing to pay per page and call it a reasonable price? I guess it could be a good new topic to discuss.
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beatricePosts: 69 Joined: Feb 13, 2006	Oct 25, 06, 08:13PM \| #2
Thanks for sharing your story. It's hard to imagine someone could write an essay for $4 per page (unless they live in a 3rd world country). Not to mention $2.50 per page!? I wonder on average how long it takes for a professional writer to research and write one page? Any ideas? Beatrice

devanginiPosts: 8 Joined: Nov 10, 2006	Nov 10, 06, 11:38PM \| #4
For a writer to reasearch and write one page, I'd say, from my own experience, that it takes about 20 minutes.

MajorThreads: 21 Posts: 593 Joined: Oct 3, 2006	Nov 11, 06, 11:19AM \| #5
Quoting: devangini, Post #4 For a writer to research and write one page, I'd say, from my own experience, that it takes about 20 minutes. What?? 20 minutes to write a page (about 300 words?). Maybe you meant "to TYPE". Did you include time for researching/finding sources/reading sources? It takes me at least a few hours overall to write a 1-2 page article.

Amy1978	Nov 11, 06, 02:26PM \| #6
Well, that's how long it takes the low-paid Pakistani and Indian writers who don't care about quality.

devanginiPosts: 8 Joined: Nov 10, 2006	Nov 13, 06, 06:20AM \| #7
Well, I have done my writing degree from The Royal Academy in England and happen to be a very well traveled "Indian". Most people say I am extremely gifted - I have been doing research and typing and everything real fast.

devanginiPosts: 8 Joined: Nov 10, 2006	Nov 13, 06, 06:21AM \| #8
So next time you want "quality", come ask me.

Amy1978	Nov 13, 06, 07:17PM \| #13
"I don't mind tinkering with spelling and / or grammar if the essay content and writing style are both good." Something tells me that you don't order many long papers.

DylanPosts: 130 Joined: Aug 15, 2006	Nov 14, 06, 07:10AM \| #14
No, I don't - my essays are 3,000 words - very occasionally 5,000 words.

devanginiPosts: 8 Joined: Nov 10, 2006	Nov 16, 06, 10:21PM \| #17
And Dylan, guess what - the degree I did from The Writer's Bureau is affiliated to the Royal Academy. So I hate to break it you, but my certificate says I have been awarded my degree from the Royal Academy.

devanginiPosts: 8 Joined: Nov 10, 2006	Nov 18, 06, 02:08AM \| #20
You guys make me laugh.


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Amy1978	Nov 18, 06, 02:59AM \| #21
The fact that you view yourself as a "professional writer" makes ME laugh. Go work for EssayRelief.

coders02Posts: 13 Joined: Nov 20, 2006	Nov 20, 06, 01:38PM \| #22
Dylan, Amy1978, Can you believe that this person/self-styled writer begins a sentence with "And"? Ususally, I require a payment for proofing. Howvever, that is one disgusting mistake. Good for you Amy1978, for pointing out these mistakes. Not only do such people make mistakes, but they believe that they are GOOD writers! I wonder who hires them. Newbie

NicoleThreads: 3 Posts: 21 Joined: Oct 2, 2006	Nov 20, 06, 06:32PM \| #27
Dylan, Can you let us know which companies you used were good? If it is not appropriate to post the names here, can you give me an email address where I can reach you? If you don't want to post your email address, do you mind if I contact you via the admins? Thanks alot, Nicole

NicoleThreads: 3 Posts: 21 Joined: Oct 2, 2006	Nov 20, 06, 06:33PM \| #28
Quoting: coders02, Post #25 Normally, I would think that all Chinese are inept at mastering foreign languages. Enter Chen. Unless you saw him, you would not know that he is of Oriental "extraction". He made me rethink my position on their general learning abilities. What a racist and ignorant fool!

DylanPosts: 130 Joined: Aug 15, 2006	Nov 20, 06, 07:33PM \| #30
Nicole, you are welcome to email me if you want, just ask admins to forward your email to me or to provide you with my address. Whichever way works for you.

Amy1978	Nov 21, 06, 12:32AM \| #34
"ESL writers dont pull the race card." WTF? Wake up! You're doing it right now!

coders02Posts: 13 Joined: Nov 20, 2006	Nov 21, 06, 01:01AM \| #35
Good ESL writers never use it (ESL status) an excuse to fail Thiey accept their place and acknowledge the majesty of the English Language. Up until now, no one on has been abusive.

Amy1978	Nov 21, 06, 01:38AM \| #37
Yeah, well customers don't like sub-standard product, either. The bottom line is that anyone who writes with poor grammar and word choice has no business writing for money for American customers. Sorry if that hurts any ESL writers' feelings. Why don't they just stick to writing for people of their own native language?