| undertow2 |
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Jun 29, 09, 02:09PM
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Out of interest, ignoring the issue of who is and who isn't a scam artist, I was wondering which sites are the most popular in terms of the numbers of customers they get. I'm sure an exact figure is impossible, but people must have an idea.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 29, 09, 02:20PM
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I know the answer, as far as a single site is concerned, but we can't name names. The best thing to do is to check domains' traffic at Alexa.com.
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| stu4 |
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Jun 29, 09, 02:23PM
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WritersBeware: The best thing to do is to check domains' traffic at Alexa.com.
You must be joking. You mean the traffic you stole from the Pakistani domains (that add up to your domain?)
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 29, 09, 02:30PM
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All, rest assured that I have absolutely no clue about that which stu spews. However, since I have been attacked (yet again) with zero provocation, I feel the need to post an indirect link to the commercial site about which I had not planned to elaborate:
http://alexa.com/siteinfo/123helpme.com
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 29, 09, 02:33PM
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stu4: You must be joking. You mean the traffic you stole from the Pakistani domains (that add up to your domain?)
This thread was started with the stated purpose of avoiding this type of argument. Alexa is an independent website; the numbers they report are objective and reliable. If you would like to start a new thread concerning how and why certain sites gained their popularity, I believe that would be perfectly reasonable and perhaps even productive. I fully understand undertow's desire to avoid that issue here, however, and join him (her?) in respectfully asking you to keep accusations--however well-founded they may (or may not) be--out of this thread.
As a pre-emption, and in an effort to remain neutral here, I would ask WB to refrain from responding to stu4 in this thread. Surely there is ample room elsewhere on this forum.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 29, 09, 02:34PM
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took too long to type my carefully worded response....can it stop now, though?
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 29, 09, 02:37PM
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WritersBeware: I have been attacked (yet again) with zero provocation
I can only ignore so much . . . . It seems that I get attacked every, single time I first post in a thread, no matter what the topic.
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Edited by: EW_writer Jun 29, 09, 04:32PM
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undertow2: Out of interest, ignoring the issue of who is and who isn't a scam artist, I was wondering which sites are the most popular in terms of the numbers of customers they get. I'm sure an exact figure is impossible, but people must have an idea.
Essaywriters.net manages to maintain a number of 400-500 orders during the peak season (March - May, Nov-mid Dec), 200-300 orders during the regular season and less than a hundred (right now there are.. 5. :p) in the off-season.
WritersBeware: It seems that I get attacked every, single time I first post in a thread, no matter what the topic.
Maybe it's your pleasing personality. :D
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 29, 09, 05:00PM
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essaywriters has scads of orders, but lately, a majority of those are for the taking, at $3.60 per page (or less). boooo! I remember a past essaywriters fondly, before they changed their fine structure, started offering all these cheapo orders, and completely screwed me. anyway, they always have orders, if you can deal with total ********.
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| WritersBeware |
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Jun 29, 09, 05:07PM
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EW_writer: xxxxxxxxx manages to maintain a number of 400-500 orders during the peak season (March - May, Nov-mid Dec), 200-300 orders during the regular season and less than a hundred (right now there are.. 5. :p) in the off-season.
When will the intentional promotion end?
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 29, 09, 05:15PM
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According to its own site, BestEssays.com charges customers a bare minimum of $19.99 per page for what is largely misrepresented, ESL writing, yet EssayWriters.net (the back-end for BestEssays.com) pays the writer only $3.60 per page (if he or she is lucky enough to escape without being hit with a "fine").
So . . . .
Customer pays $199.90 to BestEssays.com for a basic, 10-page essay (guaranteed to be written by a "native English speaker"). That 10-page order then appears on the writers' board at EssayWriters.net. The writer who takes the order receives only $36.00.
That sound about right, rusty?
So, writers, do you realize that you're playing EssayWriters.net's FOOL to the tune of only 18% of each customer's payment? Does EssayWriters.ent do 82% of the work? The writer should receive at least 50% of the customer's payment—every time.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 29, 09, 05:47PM
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WritersBeware: The writer should receive at least 50% of the customer's payment—every time. |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 29, 09, 06:12PM
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BestEssays.com customer pricing as of June 29, 2009:
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 29, 09, 07:15PM
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What's the difference between standard quality and premium quality?
1) Does anyone actually believe they have pools of "standard" and "premium" writers, and that orders are divided accordingly? Or that writers (even if they were paid the extra $2/page) would make a noticeably different effort in the composition of these two classes of papers?
2) IF a customer believed that this was the case, would they want to hire a company that either had lower-quality writers on staff or were OK with their writers turning in work that was beneath their capabilities?
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| WritersBeware |
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Jun 29, 09, 07:19PM
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pheelyks: What's the difference between standard quality and premium quality?
Plus, who believes that ANYONE at that company is qualified to judge "quality" writing in the English language?
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 29, 09, 07:37PM
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WritersBeware: Plus, who believes that ANYONE at that company is qualified to judge "quality" writing in the English language?
True enough, but why not batter them with the stuff they openly proclaim (i.e., "we're willing to provide a lower quality service than we are truly capable of")?
In something as qualitative and inherently subjective as writing, there is no real way of deciding on a level of quality and regularly producing it. Either a writer's work is the best they can produce in a given time frame, or it isn't.
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| chacha421 |
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Jun 29, 09, 11:16PM
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WritersBeware: It seems that I get attacked every, single time I first post in a thread, no matter what the topic.
You are attacked because you post lies here.. stop posting lies
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| EW_writer |
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Jun 29, 09, 11:46PM
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WritersBeware: When will the intentional promotion end?
Read the thread title and stop making off-topic posts, moron. :)
pheelyks: And more keeps our attention better.
I'll drink to that. :D
chacha421: You are attacked because you post lies here.. stop posting lies
I disagree. She gets attacked because she's a stinking bigot.
rustyironchains: essaywriters has scads of orders, but lately, a majority of those are for the taking, at $3.60 per page (or less). boooo! I remember a past essaywriters fondly, before they changed their fine structure, started offering all these cheapo orders, and completely screwed me. anyway, they always have orders, if you can deal with total ********.
Hey.. I hate to think that I missed out on these golden times that you speak of. When was this? o.O
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Edited by: chacha421 Jun 29, 09, 11:51PM
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EW_writer: I disagree. She gets attacked because she's a stinking bigot.
A liar always stinks.. Do you know when she took bath last time?
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| OxbridgeResearchers |
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Jun 30, 09, 12:53AM
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stu4: You mean the traffic you stole from the Pakistani domains
Ok - so should I be looking to hire a traffic thief??? What does that even mean?!
WritersBeware: So, writers, do you realize that you're playing EssayWriters.net's FOOL to the tune of only 18% of each customer's payment?
Not fair!!!!! Why can't the rest of us find premium, native English-speaking quality writers at 3.6 per page!!!???? Seriously though ... does nobody find payment in peanuts a tad insulting?!
pheelyks: Does anyone actually believe they have pools of "standard" and "premium" writers
They do but standard writers are assigned all types of orders. There are no standards at all ... an undergrad student-writer can be assigned a graduate piece of work ...
pheelyks: Either a writer's work is the best they can produce in a given time frame, or it isn't.
Precisely. Therefore, HD (high distinction) orders should only ever be assigned to writers who have a track record of consistently producing truly excellent work, after which they should be thoroughly vetted by QC.
WritersBeware: Plus, who believes that ANYONE at that company is qualified to judge "quality" writing in the English language?
Why ever not?! Next you'll be claiming that they need to be educated and know English (very well) if they are to judge English academic writing. A rather archaic mindset, WB, and not at all consistent with the industry's more popular business model.chacha421: You are attacked because you post lies here
And EW rises in WB's defence:
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 30, 09, 12:58AM
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EW_writer: I disagree. She gets attacked because she's a stinking bigot.
I would absolutely LOVE to see some proof of my "bigotry." How about you, OR? Exwriter? I can't wait!
I will concede, however, that I am a "fraudster bigot." I have utter disregard for a fraudster's color, ethnic background, or country of origin. I despise all fraudsters equally.
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Jun 30, 09, 12:59AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: And EW rises in WB's defence:
Hey...
EW_writer: I disagree. She gets attacked because she's a stinking bigot. |
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Jun 30, 09, 01:01AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: And EW rises in WB's defence:
Who said EW does not post lies here? You have proved almost every post of EW as wrong and lie therefore it is really out of logic to compare two liars together...
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 30, 09, 01:03AM
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Chacha, even EW_writer thinks that you are a championship-caliber retard, so just shut up. At least EW_writer endeavors to put some brain cells to work. You are the absolute worst possible representation of an ESL writer. You're an embarrassment to qualified, ESL writers and the embodiment of what is wrong with the industry.
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Edited by: chacha421 Jun 30, 09, 01:05AM
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WritersBeware: you are an absolute retard, so just shut up. At least EW_writer endeavors to put some brain cells to work.
You know WB, You have become a complete joke here now.. If you cannot come up with something meaningful, i would request you to please keep your mouth shut...
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 30, 09, 01:13AM
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chacha421: You know WB, You have become a complete joke here now |
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Jun 30, 09, 01:31AM
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chacha421: Who said EW does not post lies here?
You did disagree ... don't back down now EW :)
It is certifiably insane!!! Shouldn't we inform the authorities or something ... it needs treatment!
chacha421: WB, You have become a complete joke here now.. If you cannot come up with something meaningful
The troubling part is that it may actually believe its on illusions and lies!!!!
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Jul 4, 09, 05:10AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: It is certifiably insane!!! Shouldn't we inform the authorities or something ... it needs treatment!
Readers, if you can make sense out of this statement from a person claiming to write flawless english, please let me know also....
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| pheelyks |
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Jul 4, 09, 02:47PM
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chacha421: OxbridgeResearchers: It is certifiably insane!!! Shouldn't we inform the authorities or something ... it needs treatment! Readers, if you can make sense out of this statement from a person claiming to write flawless english, please let me know also....
OR's sentence is in perfect English. "It" refers to you, and OR is claiming that you are certifiably insane. OR then asks if we should tell authority figures about your insanity in an effort to provide you with the treatment that OR claims you need. Is that clear?
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