| Frustrated2011 |
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Oct 19, 11, 11:14PM
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I have spent he last hour reading multiple threads, and am a believer that the intent is to genuinely "call out" frauds. MeoKhan and WritersBeware seem to know about everything out there, and the people posting (kind of scary, but really cool at the same time). ANY much needed direction would be appreciated.
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I have 2 papers (5 pages each) for the last english class I will EVER have to take, as I only need ENG1B to move on for my business degree. I am a husband and father and just went back to school last year or so and am desperate to get help, thus my being on this site. I have actually read the book required, but am clamming up when it comes to writing the paper.
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Are there services that will make an outline draft for you if given the book and topic? Then I can use the "shell" to fill in the details and quotes since I actually did the reading? I know it sounds ridiculous for 5 pages but I have no time, hate English classes, and work tons of hours a week.
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You guys have scarred me strait from just trying to have a random site write it for me, and I have kept a log of the ones NOT to use...but I can't find any others...even for this 1/2 request. What do you think?
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| Lornamac |
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Oct 19, 11, 11:25PM
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Recommendations aren't allowed. The only thing you could do is search through google and try and choose a company that seems honest.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Edited by: FreelanceWriter Oct 19, 11, 11:32PM
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You can always ask for an outline by just paying for an additional page or two and explaining what you need. The only thing you can't do is ask for an outline with a 5-pg paper order and expect a full 5 pages plus the outline for the price of 5 pages. Same goes for annotated bibliographies because they require at least a page of writing for every 2-3 references.
The kind of "shell" outline you're asking about is unusual but certainly can be done. It's a little weird though because students usually know what they want to cover and need help with the actual writing, not vice-versa. But you can always order just an outline of a topic and ask for the writer to create subheadings, bullet points for each heading, and maybe a list of references to use. You can also ask for a "full sentence" outline. It's your money: as long as the amount of work requested is fair for the price, there's no reason that order wouldn't get completed; I've done a handful of them.
Don't expect a full word count of 275-300 wds/pg. You'll get a 1-2 page outline nicley formatted but it won't be the same wordcount as a page or two of text. You can insist on that, but the arrangement and organization takes time and if you go by wordcount, most of us experienced writers who have plenty of work aren't going to bother taking an order for "300-wd 1-pg outline" because that takes a lot longer than just writing out a page's worth of straight text and it's impossible to format 300 words into a 1-pg outline without going into at least 2 pages.
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| Frustrated2011 |
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Edited by: Frustrated2011 Oct 20, 11, 12:26AM
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Lornamac: Recommendations aren't allowed. The only thing you could do is search through google and try and choose a company that seems honest.
Are there any indicators as to what would be considered "honest"? Again, I understand you can't give recommendations, but any direction would be appreciated.
This site seems to be focused on protecting the consumer in this market. Are there websites or blogs that review/rank writing services ... vetted or not?
Better question...Do you guys keep a list of sites that have had multiple or more than usual complaints logged? This way as I search I have a reference point?
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Oct 20, 11, 03:47AM
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You really don't need to look much further than this forum. There are many threads on the issue and you can probably weed through the scammers by taking note of who the respected critics are here and what writers they refer to as being legitimate without necessarily endorsing us.
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| MeoKhan |
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Oct 20, 11, 06:43AM
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Frustrated2011: Do you guys keep a list of sites that have had multiple or more than usual complaints logged?
As Freelancewriter has stated above, this forum is enriched with loads of information on numerous kinds of scams, legit companies, and countless experiences shared by different customers and writers. However, to reach to the needle, you need to put some efforts.
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| Lornamac |
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Oct 20, 11, 07:59PM
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There are one of two indicators eg a companies house number is a good sign as is business account with a high street bank. Call them and ask them questions and then take things from there if you feel reasonably confident
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| WritersBeware |
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Oct 20, 11, 08:10PM
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Lornamac: There are one of two indicators eg a companies house number is a good sign as is business account with a high street bank.
1. This is NOT a UK forum.
2. Any moronic scammer can pay a small fee to acquire a "Companies House Number." It is in no way whatsoever an indicator of quality or trustworthiness.
3. Please don't misrepresent as fact what is only your ill-informed and incorrect speculation.
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| Lornamac |
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Oct 20, 11, 08:26PM
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1. This is NOT a UK forum. I know but i think most members on here are British or study in the UK
2. Any moronic scammer can pay a small fee to acquire a "Companies House Number." It is in no way whatsoever an indicator of quality or trustworthiness. True but its a good sign since the companies house perform a credit search on the director so you have to have a UK address and need to be solvent.
3. Please don't misrepresent as fact what is only your ill-informed and incorrect speculation. Its neither ill-informed or incorrect speculation. I think you'll find that most if not all scam sites do not have a companies house number. If it was that simple to get as you're suggesting then surely they'd get one wouldn't they.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 20, 11, 08:42PM
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Lornamac: I know but i think most members on here are British or study in the UK
Why do you think that?
Lornamac: True but its a good sign since the companies house perform a credit search on the director so you have to have a UK address and need to be solvent.
I could have a UK address within an hour if I wanted one. Despite the mortgage on my house, I'm sure I could also easily pass the credit check performed So could anyone with decent credit living in Kenya, Ukraine, India....
Lornamac: Its neither ill-informed or incorrect speculation.
Yes, it really is. Both.Lornamac: I think you'll find that most if not all scam sites do not have a companies house number.
Wrong.
Lornamac: If it was that simple to get as you're suggesting then surely they'd get one wouldn't they.
By that logic, all legitimate companies--whether or not they operate in the UK--would want to get one, too. Just as US-based companies can get plenty of customers without registering with the Companies House and needing to pay the associated fees (and possibly taxes--not sure how that works)--some scam companies get enough business without even trying to appear legitimate. Others try to appear more legitimate in order to attract more business, or because they are actually UK-based scams (like the Oxbridge folks and Academic Answers folks).
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| Lindacoops |
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Oct 20, 11, 08:55PM
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Pheelyks i actually worked for a bank for 2 yrs and knows the ins and outs of credit searches. If you got an UK address within an hour that would NOT automatically create a credit file for you. We would trace your history 3 yrs back. That would be too easy for a someone looking to create an ID to take out multiple loans don't you think.
I agree that a companies number is a good sign but not necessarily the ultimate sign.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 20, 11, 09:51PM
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Lindacoops: If you got an UK address within an hour that would NOT automatically create a credit file for you
That's not what I was saying at all. Try reading a little more carefully. I already have a decent credit history, which is completely separate from having a UK address. The UK address, I assume, needs to be an address of legal service, but not a residence. I also assume that foreign nationals are allowed to set up companies in the UK, like they are in most of the world. If I'm wrong on either of these points, by all means let me know, but you've completely misconstrued my point.
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| Lindacoops |
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Oct 20, 11, 09:56PM
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They could do i suppose but when it comes to paying tax their cover will be blown
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 20, 11, 10:03PM
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Lindacoops: They could do i suppose
They could do what? And who's to say a scam company wouldn't pay taxes? I can (as far as I'm aware) perfectly legally set up a company in the UK without ever setting foot there. I would almost certainly need an agent of some sort in the country, but I don't need to live there, work there, or ever even be there in order to do business and pay taxes there. Companies can find legal ways to scam customers, too, or just do a large enough volume of business that the high proportion of chargebacks doesn't do enough to hurt their bottom line.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 20, 11, 10:06PM
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Lornamac: If it was that simple to get as you're suggesting then surely they'd get one wouldn't they.
Firstly, "neither" is a friend of "nor." Secondly, a question should end with a question mark. Thirdly, CH costs money, something on which most of the scammers from Kenya, Pakistan, etc. are short.
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| Lindacoops |
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Oct 20, 11, 10:20PM
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something on which, should be something of which :)
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 20, 11, 11:00PM
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Lindacoops: something on which, should be something of which :)
"Short on money" is correct; "short of money" is not. You have a long way to go before you start correcting how other people write--you're still on basic reading comprehension.
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| Lindacoops |
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Oct 20, 11, 11:08PM
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yes, Short on money is correct but something on which is incorrect so i think its you who has a long way to go :)
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 20, 11, 11:12PM
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First, "on which" isn't automatically incorrect--it depend entirely on the context of the sentence. Second, the phrase "short on money" is broken up and reordered in this sentence, but it is still the grammatical unit at work here. You're only digging the hole of your stupidity deeper.
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| Lindacoops |
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Oct 20, 11, 11:47PM
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Now i know pheelyks and writersbeware are the same person
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 21, 11, 12:00AM
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Lindacoops: Now i know pheelyks and writersbeware are the same person
Then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought.
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| WritersBeware |
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Oct 21, 11, 01:15AM
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Lindacoops: something on which, should be something of which :)
I strongly advise you to refrain from "correcting" your superiors.
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