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Oct 31, 09, 11:21AM
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It's been about 10 years (at least for the legitimate writing services that don't lie about their founding date) since the online academic research business started.
How do you think the next 10 years will look like? What will the essay-writing industry be like in 2020? Will it even exist (as we know it)?
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 31, 09, 12:09PM
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It's not going anywhere, unless the apocalypse/WWIII wipes out the Internet. People will still be in school, and many will still need "academic help."
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| Major |
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Oct 31, 09, 12:11PM
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So there will be less scam in the future, let's hope ;).
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 31, 09, 12:13PM
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I don't see the scams going anywhere, either. It's the second oldest profession in the world.
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Oct 31, 09, 12:16PM
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What if schools stop using essays as a measure of the student's performance?
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Oct 31, 09, 12:18PM
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Although many native Americans and Brits will be unhappy about it, I predict an expansion in the ESL market to provide cheap, "good-enough" material to students. I think the majority of students simply can't afford the prices that really good writers (justifiably) charge.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 31, 09, 01:30PM
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Major: What if schools stop using essays as a measure of the student's performance?
This would be an excellent idea in many (most?) fields. Even better would be ensuring that students were capable of clear and concise written communication before they even get to college. I don't see either of these things happening on a large scale in the next decade, though.
EV14: I think the majority of students simply can't afford the prices that really good writers (justifiably) charge.
There are two ways to get into/succeed in college--money and intelligence. If students don't possess either one, they would be better off finding a job for the four-six years it now takes the average student to complete a Bachelor's degree.
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| WRT |
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Oct 31, 09, 01:52PM
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An awfully interesting question, Major. The short answer: yes, the industry will still be around. Ever-increasing demand will (I believe) ensure its survival and continued expansion.
The long answer: As those who have been around from the beginning know, the industry has changed a great deal. The original players (the industry founders) were, by and large, professionals. Fines were unheard of, payment was prompt and we were required to sign real (service-provider) contracts, present proof of our qualifiations, nationality and address. By and large, the writers were qualified and company owners and managers ran a good operation.
The realisation that this industry had tremendous room for growth and was, in a way, a money machine, encouraged a great many semi-literate and absolutely unqualified individuals to enter the market. The rise of the Asian and Eastern European companies, changed the industry (for the worse). The foreign entrants are all about the quick buck, cheap writers, quantity over quality and, to put it bluntly, consumer fraud. As Major insinuated, they lie about date of incorporation, experience, writer qualifications, nationality and quality of service.
What I am trying to say is that we have fallen very far from what we once were. The rules of the game have changed on us and we are all being stereotyped as `scammers,' plagiarism-enablers, etc. The real writers, by and large, are being equated with the ignoramuses; the good companies are having to defend themselves against the systematic attacks launched against them by the Asian and Eastern European ones. It has all changed.
In my opinion, the industry will survive and will continue to change. I believe (maybe wishful thinking) that change, this time, will be for the better. I think that the scammers will, eventually, be pushed out, the shoddy writers will be banned and the industry will regain its legitimacy.
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Oct 31, 09, 02:05PM
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WRT: I believe (maybe wishful thinking) that change, this time, will be for the better.
I think this thinking is far too wishful. Though the current scam companies will almost certainly be shut down eventually, there is nothing to stop them (and others) from setting up shop anew and scamming again. This is a problem inherent to internet business of all sorts--just look at the plethora of "blogs" and "news stories" about making money with Google or other schemes--not to mention phishing scams and the like. The perpetrators of these frauds can be (and are) tracked down and prosecuted, but new ones spring up daily. There's simply too much money to be had in this industry to stop unscrupulous individuals from cashing in via fraudulent means.
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| WRT |
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Oct 31, 09, 02:10PM
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pheelyks: I think this thinking is far too wishful.
Realistically speaking, you are absolutely right; day dreaming is sometimes very comforting and pleasant, though :)
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Edited by: AsianWriter Oct 31, 09, 02:13PM
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I believe that, in the next 10 years, laws will be created and implemented to regulate the academic writing industry. As a result of these "laws", academic writing companies will be forced to:
1. Declare the "truth" as to the ownership of their websites
2. Implement strict guidelines in the hiring of their writers... NES or ESL
3. Standardize the way they price their services... and
4. Standardize the pay-rate of qualified writers
Furthermore, technology may even advance enough to "track" the individual works of writers and how they are used by the students that purchase them. This way, teachers, writers and writing companies, will be able to determine if these papers are being used "only" as samples or if they are submitted without edit.
Because of the strict guidelines, only a few "legitimate" academic writing companies will be left; as it should be.
Wishful thinking? I hope not.
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| Major |
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Oct 31, 09, 02:14PM
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pheelyks: there is nothing to stop them (and others) from setting up shop anew and scamming again
I guess educating customers is the most efficient (and long-term) way to help them make reasonable decisions... On the other hand, legitimate companies should also focus on improving their service because if they don't improve anything, they in fact are getting worse ;).
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Oct 31, 09, 03:39PM
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Perhaps the proliferation of scam websites will be so huge that the cream will rise to the top and be easier for the average student to recognize. That too, however, might be wishful thinking...
pheelyks: There are two ways to get into/succeed in college--money and intelligence. If students don't possess either one, they would be better off finding a job for the four-six years it now takes the average student to complete a Bachelor's degree.
Excellent point.
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Nov 16, 09, 01:59PM
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-- same as it ever was. for the writer, it's about as stable as bartending. you might as well ask how bartending will be in 2020. in fact, that may be a better question.
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Nov 17, 09, 08:58AM
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I believe that Melissa Madgwick will be the proverbial "Bill Gates" of the essay writing industry and will finally reveal that "OxbridgeExpert" is her stage name when she is working the "Adult Entertainment Department" at colleges and universities around the world.
Also considering that the US Government is basically making it illegal in 02/10 for anyone under 21 to have a credit card, looks like we will have to wait and see the impact of that industry killing legislation. When cheating is tied to real money and not plastic credit many students will face tough choices. Now that there will be a serious emotional attachment to this money these students might think twice before they order from one of the 5 million small scam sites that pop up every other day? These are scary times my friends! 2010 may look like a time to sit back and remember the "good old days" when students had available credit?
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| pheelyks |
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Nov 17, 09, 09:52AM
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american_writer: Also considering that the US Government is basically making it illegal in 02/10 for anyone under 21 to have a credit card
You can still get one with mommy and daddy's signature, so I think we'll be OK.
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Nov 18, 09, 09:12PM
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Unless some kinda government or administrative intervention happens I don't think the market is going anywhere, in the immortal quote from Wall Street, "Greed is Good"
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Edited by: stu4 Dec 15, 09, 06:20PM
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My prediction is that businesses that have created their market on deception or with ;help; of lawyers will be doomed sooner than 2020. Those that created garbage content on thousands of webpages (ie. by changing title and some words on the page) will go away too. Customers are more educated now not to be fooled by meaningless statements, website age, or repeated keywords on web pages.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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rustyironchains: -- same as it ever was. for the writer, it's about as stable as bartending. you might as well ask how bartending will be in 2020. in fact, that may be a better question.
Speak for yourself. I'm sure when your level of ability is such that you can't possibly imagine writing a single 10-pg paper within 24 hours, writing for a living must be tremendously "unstable." For those of us who actually have the minimum necessary knowledge, skills, and abilities to do this for a living, it's quite stable and not likely to change anytime soon. I'm sure being a car mechanic is somewhat "unstable" for those missing five or more fingers too. It's always tough to make a living doing anything for which you're totally unqualified in the first place. Best of luck with the bartending thing.
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Dec 15, 09, 07:06PM
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Stewy, you will soon have first-hand knowledge.
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Dec 26, 09, 02:24AM
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Well I think with scammers like essaywriters.net govt will ban this industry.
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Edited by: rustyironchains Jan 2, 10, 06:40PM
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FreelanceWriter: I'm sure when your level of ability is such that you can't possibly imagine writing a single 10-pg paper within 24 hours, writing for a living must be tremendously "unstable."
I predict that in 2020, jughead here will have that disgusting keg gut reserved for ex bouncers and jock has-beens.
he will continue to sit on his expanding ass and do other people's homework for them "for a living." as to what he'll tell his kids, that is not going to be an issue.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Wrong again. The best part of what I do for a living is that I never have to leave the house just to go to work every day. In the winter, snow storms don't affect me at all and in the summer, I take my laptop right out to my terrace overlooking the Hudson River and just work in the sun. Last year, I got tired of having to go to the gym all the time so I just converted an entire spare room of my apartment into a complete gym with everything I need to stay in great shape for the rest of my life, although I still have some more equipment I'll be adding this year. Face it: I can write circles around you without having to be any kind of "nerd" to do it, and I guarantee you that I'm still (and will always continue to be) in much better physical shape than you've ever been in or will ever be in during your entire life. Now, go get your shinebox.
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Jan 2, 10, 10:51PM
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I just don't see how you're so proud of yourself, or what there is to brag about.
you do other people's homework for them. you do not get to put your name on it.
I guess everyone has to be proud of something.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Jan 2, 10, 11:26PM
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Not "bragging" about anything and I already told you that I don't believe in the concept of "pride." Just correcting your assumptions about me.
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Jan 3, 10, 09:08AM
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just as you will continue to brag about, and have pride in, your unsigned busywork for scumbags, I will continue to assume that you are a dumb, delusional power-tool.
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Jan 3, 10, 09:13AM
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FreelanceWriter: I'm sure when your level of ability is such that you can't possibly imagine writing a single 10-pg paper within 24 hours, writing for a living must be tremendously "unstable."
if you look back, the point I was making about bartending was that the essay industry is stable. people will also always want to cheat, just like they'll always want to drink.
can you even read?
I never said the essay industry was unstable.
I also never said I couldn't write a 10 pp paper within 24 hours.
talk about assumptions.
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rustyironchains: I also never said I couldn't write a 10 pp paper within 24 hours.
Your first response to the thread Is It Possible to complete a 10-page report within 24 hrs?
rustyironchains: the answer is yes, but the essay will be crap-- either recycled or hurried-- and the price will be jacked thru the roof.
That doesn't leave very much room for interpretation besides your admitted inability to write a 10-page paper in 24 hours without writing over-priced recycled "crap." That's probably one of the only honest things you've ever posted, albeit unintentionally.
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Jan 3, 10, 12:31PM
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my answer to "is it possible to write a 10 pp paper in a day?" was "yes." you did all that work retrieving the post, just to prove my point. and in the process, you torpedoed the main conceit of your argument against me. thanks.
you're like me-- you're rolling a boulder up a hill for morons. try taking yourself a little less seriously.
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rustyironchains: the answer is yes, but the essay will be crap-- either recycled or hurried-- and the price will be jacked thru the roof.
I'm just looking at it from the customer's point of view and I'm guessing most customers would consider that answer to be a big "no" for their purposes because I assume nobody really wants to pay "jacked" prices to have you write "crap" that you "recycled" or "hurried" and that they'd much rather find a writer who routinely writes good papers on much less than 24 hours notice when necessary.
Only students who need overpriced, recycled, hurried crap will consider your answer to be a "yes" and I suppose they know they can count on you for it; to anybody else, I think I'm safe in assuming it's a big "NO".
I've written 10-page papers in one day hundreds of times because I usually write 10 pages in one sitting and I never write any "crap." You responded to that by suggesting that I must be some sort of nerd who's proud of himself and I simply pointed out that nobody needs to be a "nerd" just to be a lot smarter than you and that I don't really believe in the concept of pride in the first place. Then you suggested that I must be some slob getting fatter by the day in front of the screen and I responded that I have a gym in my apartment and guarantee that I've always been in much better shape than you and will always continue to be.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Jan 3, 10, 01:00PM
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rustyironchains: you're like me-- you're rolling a boulder up a hill for morons. try taking yourself a little less seriously.
I'm sure your customers appreciate being considered "morons" too. I consider mine to be students who really appreciate my work and I appreciate their business and their trust.
As for taking myself seriously, you're the one who seems hung up on career "status" and on publishing something with your name on it. I'm just happy earning a decent living doing this and am not concerned with getting credit or recognition for the work I do for others.
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Jan 3, 10, 01:37PM
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BS! a "yes, but..." is still a "yes." nice try.
FreelanceWriter: I never write any "crap."
FreelanceWriter: Face it: I can write circles around you
FreelanceWriter: I've written 10-page papers in one day hundreds of times
FreelanceWriter: Not "bragging" about anything
there are 3 types of people in the world-- fools, smart people, and slaves.
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Jan 3, 10, 01:38PM
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PS-- the "morons" I was talking about are the company owners. wash your eyes out.
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Again, it's not "bragging" simply because I don't consider it particularly "impressive" to be able to write 10 pages in one day; in fact, I'd consider that routine for anybody who does this for a serious living. Nor do I consider it particularly "impressive" that I can obviously write circles around any idiot who claims to be a "writer" and then publicly proclaims that it's "impossible" to write a single 10-page paper in 24 hours unless the paper is "recycled" "hurried" "crap" and then tries desperately to back-pedal and claim he can do that after all.
I am humbly and steadily earning a decent living providing a very high-quality product and earning repeat business and referrals from very satisfied customers both privately and for all the companies who use my services. I'm just responding very truthfully to some idiot who first claimed that it's "impossible" to do what I do regularly and who continually puts down what I call a "living" with sarcasm and who has repeatedly announced that he's proud to have published in his own name and suggested my work is meaningless because it doesn't bear my name.
PS- I don't consider my employers "morons" either.
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Jan 3, 10, 02:47PM
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right, I didn't say I could write 10/day, you're not bragging, etc. excuse me, I have to go vomit.
try seeing past all that trash you've stored up in your optics, you buffoon. that original post you dredged up was made during busy season. I was adding 10 pages to my daily total of about 20-25, and deeming it possible, but hampered by the fact that it would be hurried, rushed, and frustrated crap. which it would. and it wouldn't be me doing the price gouging-- it would be those morons in charge, whom you're defending. right, they're all princes, and the customers are all pillars of their respective communities... and you, their humble pet!
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Jan 3, 10, 03:07PM
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Your first response to the thread Is It Possible to complete a 10-page report within 24 hrs?
rustyironchains: the answer is yes, but the essay will be crap-- either recycled or hurried-- and the price will be jacked thru the roof.
I'll leave it to readers here to consider your retrospective explanation and decide whether it sounds reasonable or ridiculous that you now say what you meant all along was:
rustyironchains: that original post you dredged up was made during busy season. I was adding 10 pages to my daily total of about 20-25, and deeming it possible, but hampered by the fact that it would be hurried, rushed, and frustrated crap. which it would.
I'm sticking to the obvious explanation that you can't write anywhere close to that much and I'm guessing the absence of any inquiries from students considering using your services should give you an indication of how believable that explanation is.
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Edited by: rustyironchains Jan 3, 10, 03:39PM
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FreelanceWriter: I'm sticking to the obvious explanation that you can't write anywhere close to that much and I'm guessing the absence of any inquiries from students considering using your services should give you an indication of how believable that explanation is.
stick and guess away-- you're the one trying to make this into a ******* contest. feel free to declare yourself the winner all you want. you can print out a sheet of this BS, and make yourself a little paper crown.
as to student inquiries on these threads, I don't market or accept services here. I don't think that's what this forum is for. knock yourself out, though.
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Jan 15, 10, 08:43AM
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The essay industry will be around for a long time. However, the only companies who will be around will be the legit and honest ones.
-Nichole
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Sep 2, 10, 08:16AM
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i think it'll definitely be around then. there are always people who need help in their essays in my opinion
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Edited by: WRT Nov 16, 10, 01:40PM
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Back to the original question - take a look at some of the Homework Help and Books and Authors questions on Yahoo Q&A. A sampling:
1) who is Emily Dickinson
2) who wrote Shakespeare
3) what is the proof that Yeats wrote The Magi
4) where can I find quotes by Odysseus in Oedipus
5) is hogwarth's a real school and how do I apply
6) what nationality was Shakespeare
7) who wrote Huck Finn
Conclusion: the custom writing industry is going to expand beyond any/all predictions. Not only are students displaying increasingly horrifying levels of ignorance but, apparently, they've not even heard of Google.
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