| whitegrim |
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Jul 4, 09, 07:57AM
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I just visited buy-dissertation.com after seen comments from the gurus of this forum. What I want to know is the correct definition of scam? buy-dissertation.com has written over it as related to India so they are not hiding anything... Right! Then someone said that the grammar mistakes are there as well but is it really the only reason for it being a scam? I mean there are owners of various websites who want to good business but they are not well educated. They build a website and then hire good writers for their work. This critically states that the grammar cannot be the only reason to stamped as scam or is it?
What probably would have happened, in the case of grammar, is the software company wouldn't have an accomplished English writer but good programmers. Most of the times the text on the website is written by the programmers so there can be various cases where the websites might not read properly but is this enough for labeling it scam? Scam might be the cheating when they say they are from US and work from India which clearly they are not doing. We haven't seen any customer yet negating them as well or may be this seems a new site and still no customers as well but the gurus here have all the knowledge of the future and have all the armors to describe someone as scam. I am not talking about buy-dissertation.com or any other site, but generally all the websites who have been labeled as scams.
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| truthprevails |
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Jul 4, 09, 08:48AM
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Whitegrim, I couldn't agree with you more on your post. This website was created to promote one company and a handful of others- that have ties with the owners of this fraud forum.
Their poor definition of a 'scam' website in the industry is, that if a company hires any foreigners e.g. Indians writers not born in UK or the US they are a scam. What a load of bull. They hide the fact that the majority of their own employees are indeed ESL writers and they try ever so hard to cover this fact up.
Many Indian and foreign writers, I have come across are superior and have an excellent command of the english launague. Not all are, however you cannot sterotype million's of people as having poor english writing skills just because of their orgins etc.. Hmm sounds it is more of a racial debate here.
For everyones interest and for the sake of a laugh..WritersBeware is Russian. She is an ESL writer herself. Ironic isn't it?
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| pheelyks |
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Edited by: pheelyks Jul 4, 09, 11:03AM
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whitegrim: Then someone said that the grammar mistakes are there as well but is it really the only reason for it being a scam?
Grammar mistakes are certainly not evidence of a scam in and of themselves, but on a website that purports to write excellent English papers, I think it should raise some suspicion. I fully understand your point about the programmers who wrote the page not necessarily having the greatest English skills, but if English is what a company is selling don't you think they ought to present you with their best efforts? It's similar to seeing an auto mechanic driving around in a car that is always breaking down--maybe it's just his car, and he takes care of other people's cars really well, but would you trust him?
I do not know whether or not buy-dissertation.com is a scam. Most of the companies people call "scams" do end up delivering a paper to their customers; the issues are generally with the quality of the papers and with their treatment of writers. This latter is of concern to the customer because if a writer is cheated out of payment, they can (and often do) publish their papers online as a means of protection. Also, better writers tend to stay with companies that pay them well and fairly.
To sum up: I would not trust a company that cannot or at least has not provided a website using proper English, not because they are foreign but because it shows their level of commitment/expertise in providing clean English copy. I wouldn't trust a US or UK site with abundant grammatical errors, either.
truthprevails: Their poor definition of a 'scam' website in the industry is, that if a company hires any foreigners e.g. Indians writers not born in UK or the US they are a scam.
As I hope my above explanation makes clear, this is certainly not the industry-wide standard. There are many very qualified ESL writers (some are even on this forum), just as there are many native speakers who have no business writing college- or even high school-level papers. When companies promise they are only using expert native writers, and then hire writers that cannot actually write well in English--foreign or native--that company has lied to its customers and it would be fair to label them as a "scam."
truthprevails: Whitegrim, I couldn't agree with you more on your post. This website was created to promote one company and a handful of others- that have ties with the owners of this fraud forum.
There are a lot of very loud voices on this forum, and most of them are proponents for certain websites and absolutely opposed to others. WB, OR, and myself do argue for the legitimacy of certain (but definitely not all) US and UK based companies. OR and myself have also openly acknowledged that we work for/own some of these websites, which we generally refrain from naming as it is explicitly against the rules of this forum. Other forum members are vociferously against these same companies, and attempt to promote their own websites. These actions and arguments are fully permitted by the forum moderators/owners; I fail to see any lack of impartiality. All voices are allowed equal time and opportunity to post here.
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| undertow2 |
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Jul 4, 09, 11:12AM
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whitegrim: What probably would have happened, in the case of grammar, is the software company wouldn't have an accomplished English writer but good programmers. Most of the times the text on the website is written by the programmers so there can be various cases where the websites might not read properly but is this enough for labeling it scam?
No, it doesn't make it a scam, but it's certainly unbelievably sloppy for a company promoting its writing service to make such basic mistakes. If I owned a website, I'd be damn sure to avoid such problems, and I'd let the 'programmers' know what needed changing before it went live. I'm not even sure that I'd let said 'programmers' come up with the copy for my site. As a customer, I'd immediately lose faith in that site.
A scam, I guess, is when you attempt to make a gain by offering something that you can't really deliver, e.g. taking money for an essay that's supposed to be a 1st when you know it's going to fail. Everyone makes mistakes, but the question of whether it's a scam comes down to whether or not you've acted in good faith. It's often quite hard to tell on an individual basis, but look at the experiences of a number of different customers and the picture usually becomes clearer.
I think you're right that this forum is often used by BUFFOONS and BLOWHARDS, but I also think that in this particular thread, you're kind of defending the indefensible.
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| pheelyks |
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Edited by: pheelyks Jul 4, 09, 11:19AM
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undertow2: I think you're right that this forum is often used by BUFFOONS and BLOWHARDS, but I also think that in this particular thread, you're kind of defending the indefensible.
I completely agree with everything undertow has said. Though I have admittedly become one of the buffoons and blowhards when engaging in arguments with certain individuals (ie chacha), I attempt to maintain some level of objectivity and rationality whenever possible. This forum will not help you find a good site, at least not directly. Do your own investigating and trust your own feelings. The only real way to know what you're going to end up with is to write your own papers.
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| chacha421 |
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Jul 4, 09, 12:35PM
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whitegrim: the gurus of this forum
I am 100% sure that I am not on this list of gurus.. I have left this to WB and party to decide...
pheelyks: I attempt to maintain some level of objectivity and rationality whenever possible
Self Praise.. I mean this is the height of something... How can a person praise himself? real criteria of someone's chracter and objectivity is judged by others and not by the person himself. In one of his posts, Pheelyks asked me to PM him my TOEFL scores and I subsequently indicated not to mention my private info on this forum.. And our great Pheelyks, the man who claims to be objective, rational, consider religion as something unneccessary by-passed everythink and showed an irresponsible and uncivilized behavior by posting my private message on this forum and that too without my permission.... Pheelyks this shows the kind of person you are and what chracter you hold. How would you feel if I post your private messages on a public forum?
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Edited by: chacha421 Jul 4, 09, 01:01PM
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whitegrim: I just visited buy-dissertation.com after seen comments from the gurus of this forum. What I want to know is the correct definition of scam? buy-dissertation.com has written over it as related to India so they are not hiding anything... Right! Then someone said that the grammar mistakes are there as well but is it really the only reason for it being a scam? I mean there are owners of various websites who want to good business but they are not well educated. They build a website and then hire good writers for their work. This critically states that the grammar cannot be the only reason to stamped as scam or is it? What probably would have happened, in the case of grammar, is the software company wouldn't have an accomplished English writer but good programmers. Most of the times the text on the website is written by the programmers so there can be various cases where the websites might not read properly but is this enough for labeling it scam? Scam might be the cheating when they say they are from US and work from India which clearly they are not doing. We haven't seen any customer yet negating them as well or may be this seems a new site and still no customers as well but the gurus here have all the knowledge of the future and have all the armors to describe someone as scam. I am not talking about buy-dissertation.com or any other site, but generally all the websites who have been labeled as scams.
I fully agree with you. The criteria used by the gurus of this forum is only English. They consider having a good webcopy as an indication of geniueness of the site despite the fact that most businesses are run by those owners who might have been just average students. I only come across Donald Trump who graduated from Wharton otherwise the Bill Gates, the Warren Buffets of the world were just ordinary students.. To be successful in business requires successful business skills and a relative degree of maturity by the owners. As an owner you must be creative and open to criticism and you should also be ready for losses. The problem with this forum is the fact that it has been dominated by few site owners who successfully colluded with each other to create an enviornment of distrust. A business student will easily spot from the patterns of the replies posted by some members here ( who unfortunately are mistaken) that what is happening in actual here is cross-selling and marketing of your own products and services. Unfortunately such members label each and everyone as cheat as if this whole industry is comprised of fraudsters who are just here to cheat for few bucks. Any good businessman will never resort to such unethical practices for longer period of time because in an enviornment where information flows freely negative publicity would have forced them to close down. However, the facts are against this myth. For example, you will see countless posts against Essaywriters.net but still new writers signup with them and customers continue to get what they expect. If what is boasted here is true, technically companies like EW and others must have gone out of business but they are here and this indicates the trust of their customers in them..
Everyone cheats here, i posted countless examples of how legit, registered UK based companies cheat, so you will find every type of services and individuals in every country.. I think the debate of legit and not legit shall be left to the customers because customers are wise enough not to use services which already tricked them.. Let people trade and encourage them to resort to good practices.. accusations and counter accusations will never serve this industry... It is only the customers who can brought a change into this industry....who can force companies to be ethical and fair......
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| pheelyks |
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Jul 4, 09, 01:06PM
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chacha421: In one of his posts, Pheelyks asked me to PM him my TOEFL scores and I subsequently indicated not to mention my private info on this forum..
Chacha, you were openly bragging on this forum about your scores. You PMd me a link to your scores that didn't work. There was no request to keep your information private, and no reason for you to PM the link instead of simply posting it publicly on the board. Because the link did not work--and thus did not reveal ANY personal information about you--I posted it on the forum as evidence that you were not backing up your claims.
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Edited by: chacha421 Jul 4, 09, 01:19PM
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pheelyks: There was no request to keep your information private
"I have responded to your mesage.. Lets see how civilized you are..."
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/14/essay-town-applications-1141/3/
I think you know what i meant when i stated " Lets see how civilized you are..." To not reveal personal info without prior permission comes under uncivilized behavior... Do i have to say more?
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| chacha421 |
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Jul 4, 09, 01:23PM
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pheelyks: Chacha, you were openly bragging on this forum about your scores. You PMd me a link to your scores that didn't work. There was no request to keep your information private, and no reason for you to PM the link instead of simply posting it publicly on the board. Because the link did not work--and thus did not reveal ANY personal information about you--I posted it on the forum as evidence that you were not backing up your claims.
I can still give you my ID and Pass of ETS profile where you can check my scores but given your fraudlent intentions and uncivilized behavior, I would never let a cheater to view my scores and may make unauthorized changes to my profile...
I will provide a real time access to my TOEFL scores to anyone who can publically promise that my info will be kept private and there will be no fraudlent intentions...
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| undertow2 |
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Jul 4, 09, 01:42PM
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I promise. I'm neutral on this and would find it quite interesting, if you're game...
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| pheelyks |
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Jul 4, 09, 01:44PM
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chacha421: I think you know what i meant when i stated " Lets see how civilized you are..." To not reveal personal info without prior permission comes under uncivilized behavior... Do i have to say more?
I am at a loss for words. You are one of the most ridiculously stupid people I have ever exchanged words with. How you have managed to avoid being struck by oncoming traffic is completely beyond me.
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| chacha421 |
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Jul 4, 09, 01:54PM
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pheelyks: I am at a loss for words. You are one of the most ridiculously stupid people I have ever exchanged words with. How you have managed to avoid being struck by oncoming traffic is completely beyond me.
that is called cultural differences in Management..... you have probably failed to interpret what i meant by...... take a lesson or two in diversity management also because if you are planning to start a legit US company which hires employees from all over the world, you may have to follow Diversity laws of US
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| pheelyks |
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Jul 4, 09, 02:28PM
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chacha421: Diversity laws of US
US law requires that employers don't discriminate--IF I were starting a company (and I'm not), I would not be allowed to use race, age, religion, etc. etc. as criteria for selecting employees. There are no "diversity laws," however; there is no law in the US requiring that a company have a diverse pool of employees. if I, as a white male, started a company with another white male, we could not be charged with discrimination. If I had one thousand employees and they were all white men, eyebrows would be raised. This situation would not be illegal in and of itself, but would almost certainly be the result of illegal (an in my opinion horribly racist and immoral) hiring practices. if such a company were able to prove that only white men had ever applied to work for them, however, this would also be legal.
This STILL doesn't even come close to a logical response to the issue being discussed, namely the fact that i was supposed to intuit your exact and specific meaning of "civilized behavior."
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Jul 4, 09, 07:18PM
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pheelyks: How you have managed to avoid being struck by oncoming traffic is completely beyond me.
LOL!
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