| whacker1 |
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Jan 26, 11, 08:05AM
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Has anyone had problems with either of these two operations? Thank you.
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| 2MockingBird |
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Jan 26, 11, 10:31AM
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both custompapers and essattowm are well known scams.
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| pheelyks |
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Jan 26, 11, 10:47AM
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You're a well-known idiot, 2mock. If you can back up your assertions within even one coherent explanation, I'll be surprised.
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Jan 26, 11, 11:45AM
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i don't have to prove my allegations if you can demonstrate they are not not scammers.your inability to do so is all the proof that is required.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jan 26, 11, 01:04PM
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2MockingBird = unstable, lying moron
MODERATOR, please remove the idiot's posts and ban him before things get unnecessarily complicated.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Jan 26, 11, 01:04PM
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2MockingBird: i don't have to prove my allegations if you can demonstrate they are not not scammers.your inability to do so is all the proof that is required.
It's actually extremely easy to prove: Just place a 1-pg test order and request Pheelyks or me as your writer and see what happens. You'll get a good paper on or before the specified due date. Both of us write about 100 papers a month for them, in my case, since 2003. If you don't think that's a fair test, just place any order you want anytime and don't request us. If you don't get your paper, just prove it by posting a screen shot of your order page here and/or provide the order #.
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| stu4 |
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Jan 26, 11, 01:12PM
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FreelanceWriter: Just place a 1-pg test order and request Pheelyks or me as your writer
You write for custompapers too? I thought you only do for EssayTown.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Jan 26, 11, 01:52PM
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I write for about a dozen different companies but I was talking specifically about the nonsense he posted about ET.
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| pheelyks |
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Jan 26, 11, 10:14PM
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2MockingBird: i don't have to prove my allegations if you can demonstrate they are not not scammers.your inability to do so is all the proof that is required.
You can't prove a negative. That's basic logic. Prove you're not a dumbass and I might start actually considering what you say.
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| 2MockingBird |
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Jan 27, 11, 12:02AM
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FreelanceWriter: It's actually extremely easy to prove: Just place a 1-pg test order and request Pheelyks or me as your writer and see what happens. You'll get a good paper on or before the specified due date. Both of us write about 100 papers a month for them, in my case, since 2003. If you don't think that's a fair test, just place any order you want anytime and don't request us. If you don't get your paper, just prove it by posting a screen shot of your order page here and/or provide the order #.
Precisely because you work for them, it is hard for you (evil even!), to talk bad about your employers. I guess that is why you feel at liberty dismiss other writing companies you don't work for. I have come across forums where students are complaining about both ET & CP, what do you say about that? Besides, you are not the only writer who write for these companies, you should not defend them that emphatically. In my next post, i will give Pheelyks 10 reasons why i am not a dumbass. I will also prove all my allegations, i wonder what WB will then say.
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| WritersBeware |
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Jan 27, 11, 12:56AM
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2MockingBird: I will also prove all my allegations
No, you won't, because you can't.
2MockingBird: i wonder what WB will then say.
You'll be just as stupid then as you are now.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Jan 27, 11, 01:23AM
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2MockingBird: Precisely because you work for them, it is hard for you (evil even!), to talk bad about your employers. I guess that is why you feel at liberty dismiss other writing companies you don't work for. I have come across forums where students are complaining about both ET & CP, what do you say about that? Besides, you are not the only writer who write for these companies, you should not defend them that emphatically.
I really have nothing to gain by defending them here and if I worked for a shady company, I'd never have openly admitted what companies I work for on this forum, much less use my company ID as my forum ID. I'd probably have used a totally anonymous ID here and just never mentioned what companies I write for.
Furthermore, I've never criticized any other essay company on this forum and I've explained many times that I know absolutely nothing about any companies that I've never worked for other than whatever I've read about them here. I don't even comment on other companies because I have no basis for any opinion about them.
I'm sure that all essay companies (and automotive dealers and carpeting companies) that serve thousands of customers annually have some complaints. But you're suggesting that ET is a scam company, which I happen to know from 7+ years experience with them is an absolutely ridiculous accusation and has nothing to do with my not being their only writer. I can't necessrily vouch for the work of all of their other 200+ writers, but I can definitely refute any nonsense accusations like yours about the company being anything but legitimate and honest in general. In this industry, that's the most important distinction between companies and it doesn't necessarily mean that no legitimate company has ever had a single dissatisfied customer or that all of their writers are equally qualified.
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Jan 27, 11, 02:00AM
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FreelanceWriter: I can definitely refute any nonsense accusations like yours about the company being anything but legitimate and honest in general.
If you think i am an idle babbler, you are mistaken. Consider the following complaint from a customer:
Sometimes last year, I ordered an essay on St Augustine confessions with ET. It was a critical analysis paper on the bearing of Augustine early association with cultish beliefs on his views on trinity and creation. The paper was rather urgent and I was promised I will get it on time. I was charged what I thought was exorbitant amount but I was consoled by the fact that I would get quality paper on such a short notice. Again, my internet search had revealed that they are totally trustworthy and I think that is the mistake I did. The paper I got was completely out of context, it was a summary of confessions which is what I had not asked. I was so annoyed that I decided not to pursue the matter further. I flunked the paper and was investigated for possible plagiarism. Being the brightest student in the class, the professor found it impossible to believe I could write such rubbish. I would urge all students to consider all positive reviews on ET with a pinch of salt.
Avery
if you are interested, i will give you the link to the forum where i got this stuff.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Edited by: FreelanceWriter Jan 27, 11, 04:14AM
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Let's assume for the sake of argument that the exchange you posted is genuine and let's even assume for the sake of argument that the customer's characterization is accurate and objective, (and that's a huge assumption, by the way).
Every company scews up an order now and then, pretty much the same way surgeons sometimes hack off the wrong leg negligently. In the case of the surgeon, it's not a "scam" if he's a licensed surgeon complying with everything regulatory. It's a fraudulent scam if he's not really a doctor or purposely operating needlessly (etc). Same goes for essay companies: a writer may not work out because customers complain, or he may get fired for plagiarism, or a good writer bites off more than he can chew and writes a lousy paper. It happens; but it's not a "scam" if the company fills all the orders it can and well enough that it gets a huge number of returning customers, always refunds any order that doesn't get taken, and requires writers to do rewrites if they screw up.
We always have to do rewrites if we're the ones who screw up a paper, but keep in mind that we also get incredibly silly requests for rewrites and those customers don't realize they're silly. I once wrote a paper that was ordered as the topic "Write a 4-pg essay on U.S. Policing and Terrorism." Rewrite request said "I meant U.S. Policing OR Terrorism...this paper is supposed to be about U.S. Police Organizations or about Terrorism...you wrote about what police agencies do about terrorism...I need a rewrite immediately...I choose Terrorism." I declined, the company backed me, and the customer went off screaming that he got "ripped off" and would never use us again. Actually, that kind of thing happens way more often than a writer completely blowing a paper.
I don't know what happened with that order but if you're going to argue the point and claim that the company is "fraudulent" in any way because of that or even that the exchange you posted is representative of their product quality, virtually everybody here will know that you're either (1) here for the express purpose of trying to badmouth a competitor by fraudulently libeling them, or (2) incredibly unintelligent.
So, do you understand that what you posted has nothing even remotely to with "scams" or are you going to defend the position that what you posted is evidence of a "scam"?
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| 2MockingBird |
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Jan 27, 11, 05:18AM
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FreelanceWriter: So, do you understand that what you posted has nothing even remotely to with "scams" or are you going to defend the position that what you posted is evidence of a "scam"?
I am not as stupid as you think, FW. Your point is that a complaint from a customer does not mean that a writing company is fraudulent. My point is that such complaints necessarily suggest that it may be a scam. But why all this double speak? You, FB and WB, have being quick to point out that your so called "Ukaranian scams" are fraudulent purely on the basis of complaints posted here about the quality their work. Now, ET is on the spotlight and you have come out fighting for them. You are a hypocrite who is incapable of having an honest balanced discussion. Whacker1 has highlighted an important issue elsewhere in this site when he seeks to know the basis of judging a company scam. ET has been caught pants down on quality issues this time round and its representatives in this forum are peeved. If EssayTown is not a scam, and the complaint I posted about ET is just an isolated case without much bearing on the reputation of the company (read essaytown), don't ever badmouth any writing company here or elsewhere. In the meantime, let's have a serious discussion on the obvious pointers to ET scam. You can never be too sure about anything in this industry.
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| WRT |
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Jan 27, 11, 08:51AM
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Not that you'll believe me but, I have nothing to do with either CP or ET.
Are they scam operations?
No, they are not. They are counted amongst the industry's founders and have never been known to cheat or lie to either customers or writers. They are above board operations.
Why do we call some websites scams?
1) they lie about nationality
2) they are not even incorporated companies
3) their only hiring standard is the cheaper the better
4) they mislead customers re their writers' nationalities and qualifications
5) they falsely claim that they've been given one or the other industry award when no such awards exist
6) they tell customers to go jump in a lake if they dare complain about quality or plagiarism
7) they randomly assign themselves fake addresses, such as the "Empire State Building"
8) they respect neither their customers nor their writers
9) they spread malicious rumours about their competitors
That's just a handful of reasons why the law labels them dishonest and illegitimate scam operations.
Are all foreign-owned sites dishonest? Of course not. You've specifically mentioned the Ukranian sites - a few of the industry's leading scammers are Ukranian but that does not mean that all Ukranian sites are rotten. I know of at least two which are legit operations.
Do legit sites sometimes provide work which is not of the requisite quality? Yes, they do. However, they rectify their mistake and warn the writer in question. Furthermore, it only ever rarely happens.
Mockingwhatever - get your facts straight.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Jan 27, 11, 09:56AM
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2MockingBird: I am not as stupid as you think, FW. Your point is that a complaint from a customer does not mean that a writing company is fraudulent. My point is that such complaints necessarily suggest that it may be a scam. But why all this double speak?
2MockingBird: You, FB and WB, have being quick to point out that your so called "Ukaranian scams" are fraudulent purely on the basis of complaints posted here about the quality their work. Now, ET is on the spotlight and you have come out fighting for them. You are a hypocrite who is incapable of having an honest balanced discussion.
As I already tried to explain, I've never said anything negative about any company because I don't know anything about any company I haven't worked for. You obviously have absolutely no interest in having any kind of "honest discussion" and you either don't read or don't understand anything I've already said. Anybody else reading this should have no problem figuring out which one of us is being honest and which one of us has an agenda to trash a reputable essay company.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jan 27, 11, 10:57AM
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2MockingBird: if you are interested, i will give you the link to the forum where i got this stuff.
Why didn't you provide the link in the first place, you pathetically jealous competitor? What's the link?
2MockingBird: I am not as stupid as you think
Well, you are even more stupid than I originally thought.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jan 27, 11, 11:18AM
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2MockingBird: You, FB and WB, have being quick to point out that your so called "Ukaranian scams" are fraudulent purely on the basis of complaints posted here about the quality their work.
Wrong, you f*cking monkey. Unlike essaytown, the Ukrainian and Pakistani scam sites lie to customers about the following:
1. site/company age
2. geographical location
3. writer nationality/location/education/cultural familiarity
4. physical presence in the US
5. ESL (and often wholly unqualified) nature of their low-paid writers
6. corporate status
7. hiring only native English-speaking writers with MA/PhD degrees from American universities
8. general quality of product
Those lies are merely the tip of the iceberg for the fraudulent sites from Ukraine and Pakistan.
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| pheelyks |
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Edited by: pheelyks Jan 27, 11, 11:26AM
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2MockingBird: In my next post, i will give Pheelyks 10 reasons why i am not a dumbass.
So far, all your posts have only confirmed your dumbassery. I'm still waiting for my ten reasons.
2MockingBird: I was so annoyed that I decided not to pursue the matter further. I flunked the paper and was investigated for possible plagiarism. Being the brightest student in the class, the professor found it impossible to believe I could write such rubbish.
So, this customer got a bad product and decided not to speak to the writer or anyone else at the company, illegally turned the paper in as their own KNOWING that the paper was not adequate to serve their needs, and then got even more pissed off. Had they even once contacted ET, the paper would either have been revised or refunded (assuming their other statements regarding their original instructions and the paper they received are correct).
I just rented a carpet cleaner from a large chain store last night, after a full twelve hours of packing, moving, and cleaning (just bought a house--something writers from scam companies would have trouble doing). When I got back to my apartment, the machine wouldn't work. I re-read the instructions to make sure I was using it properly, then swore loudly several times, put the machine back in my car, and dragged it and my exhausted a$$ back to the store to get a different machine.
I could have thrown up my hands in despair, deciding I was too "annoyed" to "pursue the matter further," and the store would have happily kept my money. Instead, by bringing my problem to the store's attention, I got another machine and an additional twelve hours on the rental at no charge. That's how legitimate businesses operate, and had Avery approached ET in a similar manner, he would have achieved a similar result. Dumbass.
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Jan 27, 11, 12:54PM
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pheelyks: I just rented a carpet cleaner from a large chain store last night, after a full twelve hours of packing, moving, and cleaning (just bought a house--something writers from scam companies would have trouble doing). When I got back to my apartment, the machine wouldn't work. I re-read the instructions to make sure I was using it properly, then swore loudly several times, put the machine back in my car, and dragged it and my exhausted a$$ back to the store to get a different machine. I could have thrown up my hands in despair, deciding I was too "annoyed" to "pursue the matter further," and the store would have happily kept my money. Instead, by bringing my problem to the store's attention, I got another machine and an additional twelve hours on the rental at no charge. That's how legitimate businesses operate, and had Avery approached ET in a similar manner, he would have achieved a similar result. Dumbass.
Absolutely perfect comparison . . . .
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| Azul |
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Feb 6, 11, 08:38AM
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I have placed an order with both EssayTown and CP, and neither has replied, despite my payment having already been processed by PayPal.
The deadline is closing in, and they guaranteed my paper would be emailed to me by the deadline; but the lack of communication has got me worrying. Lets hope they honor their word.
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Feb 6, 11, 09:00AM
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Azul: Lets hope they honor their word.
They won't
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| pheelyks |
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Feb 6, 11, 10:37AM
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Azul: I have placed an order with both EssayTown and CP
Yeah...because customers are often in the habit of placing orders at two different companies simultaneously. Lucky that this first time poster found a thread discussing both companies at once....
[quote=2MockingBird]
And surprise, surprise, this moron is the first to respond! How completely unexpected!
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| pheelyks |
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Feb 6, 11, 10:41AM
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2MockingBird: In my next post, i will give Pheelyks 10 reasons why i am not a dumbass. I will also prove all my allegations,
It's been ten days since you said you would do this--what gives? How long does it take for you to think of ten reasons you're not a dumbass? I'll give you a pass on proving your allegations, because we all know your claims are completely baseless, but surely even you can scrounge together ten reasons you think you're not a dumbass. Or maybe 7? 5? Okay, just three reasons reasons you're not a dumbass. Please?
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Edited by: Azul Feb 6, 11, 11:04AM
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As a matter of fact I did place two orders simulteneously. EssayTown is charging 164 dollars and CP 165 dollars, both for the same 4 page essay. I was scammed two days ago by uk.bestessays.com (or not a scam per say, just a paper of terrible, unacceptable quality was emailed to me) and I am now trying to find a respectable US-based company with professional writers. I think of this more as an investment then as a practical move; I might be using the best of the two companies again in the future.
Update - CP has replied:
Hello,
We'll send you a formal confirmation today. We received your payment; your project will be ready by your deadline.
Regards,
CustomPapers.com
Lets hope EssayTown also communicates.
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Feb 6, 11, 12:13PM
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2MockingBird = incompetent, failed, insecure, ESL competitor
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Feb 6, 11, 05:20PM
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I placed one last Thursday. The project is due 2/10. Crosses fingers.
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Feb 7, 11, 01:53AM
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WritersBeware: 2MockingBird = incompetent, failed, insecure, ESL competitor
But i guess you are competent, secure and successful EFL ****!
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| pheelyks |
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Feb 7, 11, 04:22AM
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2MockingBird: But i guess you are competent, secure and successful
Your increasing honesty is somewhat encouraging.
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| Azul |
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Feb 7, 11, 03:33PM
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I would like to update you all on my experience with the two companies. I have received both completed projects (molecular biology papers) and I am quite satisfied with both productions. I have to admit that the EssayTown paper seems to have been written by a phD in the subject, and to be honest it is even too advanced and technical for me to use as a standpoint to produce my own paper (1st year biology student). The English is flawless and the prompt was addressed adequately. As far as CP goes, it is the paper I will be using to write my own; the English is satisfactory (a few grammar mistakes here and there, probably because it was a rush assignment), and the prompt was addressed with the techniques our lecturers would expect us to use. All in all, I am satisfied with both companies; they both managed to find writers who could produce a very decent molecular biology research paper in less than 24 hours.
I would like to state that I am not affiliated with either of these companies, I am just trying a few out, and posting here to help other fellow members. So, my experience to this point has been:
uk.bestessays.com = terrible quality paper, didn't offer a refund but did offer a 100% discount in my next order with them (which is worthless unless I somehow managed to go back into grade school)
custompapers, essaytown = WIN
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| pheelyks |
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Feb 7, 11, 04:36PM
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Azul: (a few grammar mistakes here and there, probably because it was a rush assignment)
Without commenting on the company involved, this doesn't make any sense. People who speak (and write) well don't have to take extra time to make sure their grammar is correct. There are some really obscure and arguable points or grammar that professional writers might look up every now and then, but basic mistakes just shouldn't be made, period.
Azul: uk.bestessays.com = terrible quality paper, didn't offer a refund but did offer a 100% discount in my next order with them (which is worthless unless I somehow managed to go back into grade school) custompapers, essaytown = WIN
This is a pretty fair assessment as far as I know.
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Edited by: peracto Feb 8, 11, 01:24AM
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What is the process to specifically requesting a writer, such as FreelanceWriter?
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Feb 8, 11, 10:39AM
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peracto: What is the process to specifically requesting a writer, such as FreelanceWriter?
The obvious place to check is on the order form.
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| FreelanceWriter |
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Feb 8, 11, 02:43PM
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With some companies you have to just type out your request as the first line of the order description; with others you have a dropdown menu list of writers with all of our names. The first works on the honor system and other writers are supposed to respect the request for a certain time before taking a request for another writer; the second only displays the order to the requested writer for a few hours before it goes public. Please keep in mind that we may not necessarily be able to take every request but we do try to fit them all in if you take the trouble to request us because we appreciate it. Thanks for asking.
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Feb 8, 11, 07:43PM
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pheelyks: There are some really obscure and arguable points or grammar
I suppose that was a rush post, hence your mistake.
Stop trying to argue everything.
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| pheelyks |
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Feb 8, 11, 08:12PM
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Azul: I suppose that was a rush post, hence your mistake.
Yeah. I type fast and make the occasional typo. Ya got me.Azul: Stop trying to argue everything.
Stop saying things that don't make sense.
I don't argue with everything, I only argue with things that I don't agree with. The belief that good writers need to take extra time to ensure that their grammar is correct is quite simply incorrect.
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Edited by: Azul Feb 8, 11, 08:46PM
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pheelyks: The belief that good writers need to take extra time to ensure that their grammar is correct is quite simply incorrect.
Well, what I am saying does make sense. Sometimes typos completely change the structure of a sentence, just like your typo changed yours. Therefore if someone rushes a job and misses a letter or misspells a word (a homophone for example), the entire meaning of a sentence can be changed thus compromising the grammatical integrity of the paper. I was not referring to massive lapses in grammar, just a few errors here and there.
What have we concluded then (by using you as an example)? Even the best writers need to be careful when writing, for one reason or another.
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| pheelyks |
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Feb 8, 11, 09:06PM
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Azul: Even the best writers need to be careful when writing, for one reason or another.
Writers need to avoid typos. I hit an "r" when I meant to hit an "f." This error happened to create a real word, but it obviously isn;t a mistake in grammar--the sentence makes no sense whatsoever with "or" instead of "of." A mistake in grammar would be something like, "He gave it to she" or completely leaving out a necessary word (helping verbs give some people major problems).
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Feb 8, 11, 09:31PM
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pheelyks: helping verbs give some people major problems
This is true. I once loaned five bucks to a verb. Instead of paying me back, it kept asking for more money. What a headache that verb was.
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