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pheelyks: If customers wanted to buy sh*t essays from foreign companies to save money, that's fine--AS LONG AS IT IS DONE WITH INFORMED CONSENT, i.e. the company needs to put a "Made in the Ukraine (or Pakistan, etc)" label on it.
Jackpot!
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stu4: And tell me where does it say (clearly or not) on their website that "NIKE shoes are manufactured in China and other foreign countries."
From the "Abut Nike" page (linked from the company's homepage):
"today we operate in more than 160 countries around the globe," "includes more than 30,000 Nike employees across six continents."
No, it isn't crystal clear, but neither do they attempt to maintain the illusion that they only operate in the US. Many foreign sites BLATANTLY LIE about the country out of which they operate and where they hire their employees.
In addition, a quick Google search of "Nike manufacturing" returns the Nike Wikepedia page which says: "Nike has contracted with more than 700 shops around the world and has offices located in 45 countries outside the United States.[21] Most of the factories are located in Asia, including Indonesia, China, Taiwan, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Pakistan, Philippines,and Malaysia." If you were truly concerned about the country of origin of your Nike shoes, you can find out pretty quickly, Try doing the same for BestEssays and see how far you get.
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pheelyks: Try doing the same for BestEssays and see how far you get.
The legal noose is tightening on these crooks day-by-day.
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Sep 9, 09, 02:23AM
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pheelyks: If customers wanted to buy sh*t essays from foreign companies to save money, that's fine--AS LONG AS IT IS DONE WITH INFORMED CONSENT
But foreign writing companies in general don't sell sh*t essays. There are many scam sites but let's be fair about which ones are downright scams and which ones just have very bad business policies. There are competent writers in the English language whose first language is not English and who don't live in the U.S. and these foreign companies are the only companies where such writers can get hired.
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EW_writer: There are competent writers in the English language whose first language is not English and who don't live in the U.S. and these foreign companies are the only companies where such writers can get hired.
Again, I understand this and agree with you, but you--and the many other ESL writers who are capable of turning out acceptable and even excellent academic essays--are outnumbered by the legions of unqualified ESl writers in this industry. I have worked for three different foreign sites (I actually only completed orders for one) and the number of revision requests and customer complaints I saw was staggering.
I understand that you have little alternative to working for these sites if you want to remain in the industry, and I understand that these sites CAN produce good essays (when writers like you or me, when I was still working for UVO, take the orders), but in my experience they usually don't because the majority of their writers are not of the same caliber as we.
To sum up: your level of writing is not indicative of the standard product of BestEssays.com and many other foreign sites. The article received and reviewed by the CNN reporter is. You can write well, and I see no ethical issue in your producing essays in English (other than those attendant upon the industry as a whole, that is), but the companies you work for are another matter. I'm sorry that the two issues cannot be entirely divorced, but there it is.
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Sep 9, 09, 04:13AM
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pheelyks: Chinese-made toys cost about half as much as those made in Germany
And Mattel paid a very high price for going cheap. It had to recall tens and tens of thousands of toys because of the lead scare. How about the babies' milk fiasco? Point is, there are costly consequences to going cheap.
pheelyks: I generally agree with you, but I'm not sure you've been to college lately.
I, most unfortunately, have :( They are bad, really really bad but, at least, they know a thing or two about prepositions, tend not to quantify the unquantifiable and do not say "more lesser," "more few," etc. But, as you said, they do not seek employment as professional writers/researchers :)
pheelyks: AS LONG AS IT IS DONE WITH INFORMED CONSENT
The failure to provide consumers (potential or otherwise) with the relevant facts is a violation of the Consumer Protection Act. As for drawing them in with false claims, such as "all our writers have MAs and PhDs," "we only hire American and British writers," or "we have been given the highest award in the industry," etc etc ... it is deceitful, unethical, indefensible and a direct violation of consumer protection laws (at least in the UK and EU).
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Sep 9, 09, 04:14AM
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IMO, all ethical issues concerning this industry are trivial since the very purpose of essay mills is itself, morally questionable. Deceit is at the very core of this industry and certain people should stop calling foreign writers criminals just because they work for offshore sites.
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OxbridgeResearchers: The failure to provide consumers (potential or otherwise) with the relevant facts is a violation of the Consumer Protection Act. As for drawing them in with false claims, such as "all our writers have MAs and PhDs," "we only hire American and British writers," or "we have been given the highest award in the industry," etc etc ... it is deceitful, unethical, indefensible and a direct violation of consumer protection laws (at least in the UK and EU).
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Sep 9, 09, 01:47PM
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pheelyks: Again, I understand this and agree with you, but you--and the many other ESL writers who are capable of turning out acceptable and even excellent academic essays--are outnumbered by the legions of unqualified ESl writers in this industry. I have worked for three different foreign sites (I actually only completed orders for one) and the number of revision requests and customer complaints I saw was staggering.
Yeah, EW sure is winning the argument—NOT!
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pheelyks: To sum up: your [EW_writer's] level of writing is not indicative of the standard product of BestEssays.com and many other foreign sites. The article received and reviewed by the CNN reporter is. You can write well, and I see no ethical issue in your producing essays in English (other than those attendant upon the industry as a whole, that is), but the companies you work for are another matter. I'm sorry that the two issues cannot be entirely divorced, but there it is.
I couldn't have typed it better myself, although I have typed the exact same message, in different words, countless times.
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Sep 9, 09, 01:50PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: The failure to provide consumers (potential or otherwise) with the relevant facts is a violation of the Consumer Protection Act.
Tada! Guys, let's not hit EW with too many facts at once.
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EW_writer: Deceit is at the very core of this industry
Wrong. Deceit is at the core of the majority of FOREIGN companies that have infested the American research industry since 2003. EW_writer and his cronies have, for years, been unable to provide any evidence whatsoever that certain, American companies engage in any sort of fraud, yet the tricksters continue to make the same, tired, long-disproved claims that "all" sites are fraudulent in order to level the moral playing field.
EW_writer: certain people should stop calling foreign writers criminals just because they work for offshore sites.
Hey, EW_writer, please:
1. quote a post in which I have typed the blanket statement that "foreign writers are criminals";
2. quote a post in which I have typed the blanket statement that "all offshore sites are fraudulent."
If you fail to do so, you will prove to everyone, once and for all, that you are a lying, spinning scumbag whose only purpose is to protect the crooked interests of Yuri at all costs, with utter disregard for truth.
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Sep 9, 09, 04:19PM
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WritersBeware: 1. quote a post in which I have typed the blanket statement that "foreign writers are criminals";
Learn to read, a**hole.
EW_writer: certain people should stop calling foreign writers criminals just because they work for offshore sites.
You call me and every other writer who admits working for essaywriters.net a criminal, and THAT shows everyone here how desperate you are in taking down competition that has acquired a significant share of the market.
Oh, and how you cling on to other people's words reminds me of a National Geographic episode I watched on leeches. ^_^
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EW_writer: You call me and every other writer who admits working for essaywriters.net a criminal
Wrong, as usual. Every writer who knowingly takes part in EssayWriters.net's calculated fraud campaign is a criminal. In legal terminology, a person like you is an accessory to the crimes of EssayWriters.net. That is a FACT, not a biased assertion. (One's personal circumstances do not justify one's involvement in crime, so please don't hit us with that lame excuse again.)
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Edited by: EW_writer Sep 9, 09, 04:55PM
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WritersBeware: Wrong, as usual. Every writer who knowingly takes part in EssayWriters.net's calculated fraud campaign is a criminal.
F*ck you. Writing for essaywriters.net DOES NOT make us criminals even if we know that they're lying about where they are located. We're not criminals, we're just really good competition. :D
Anyone else here wanna call people who work for foreign sites that advertise as American sites criminals? C'mon, let's hear it.
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Sep 9, 09, 09:20PM
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<---professional accessory
listen, I've done a lot worse... for American companies, too.
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The truth hurts. You're a liar, fraudfeasor, and criminal.
EW_writer: Anyone else here wanna call people who work for foreign sites that advertise as American sites criminals? C'mon, let's hear it.
LOL, I love how you try to gain support against me by deceptively trying to make it seem as though I'm just picking on poor, innocent writers like you because, after all, falsely advertising as "American" is your employer's only crime. Nice try. Would you like me to post a partial list of the extensive, ongoing crimes of EssayWriters.net (Universal Research) for everyone's reference?
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Sep 9, 09, 11:06PM
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WritersBeware: The truth hurts.
Lies hurt too so again, f*ck you. You call us criminals as a cheap way to ward off customers. While I don't think that works (since I actually get more direct clients from just talking to you and proving that I'm your better), I also don't think that any person would appreciate being called a criminal when he or she isn't one.
WritersBeware: LOL, I love how you try to gain support
Hahaha:
WritersBeware: Tada! Guys, let's not hit EW with too many facts at once.
WritersBeware: Yeah, EW sure is winning the argument—NOT!
WritersBeware: I couldn't have typed it better myself, although I have typed the exact same message, in different words, countless times.
Who's trying to gain support again? :) You're just so pathetic and hilarious at the same time.
Again, I extend the question to all other members of this board, especially the ones who I often disagree with. Are the people who write for foreign sites that advertise as American sites criminals?
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Sep 10, 09, 12:48AM
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EW_writer: Again, I extend the question to all other members of this board, especially the ones who I often disagree with. Are the people who write for foreign sites that advertise as American sites criminals?
I don't know how often we disagree, though we certainly disagree with the key issue in this thread (or what has become the key issue, at least). That being said, I do not think I would label you as criminal for this fact alone. Of course, I don't have a law degree, and I'm too tired right now to look up the relevant laws (which might be irrelevant in your country, anyway), so WB could be right in saying that you are technically an accessory to fraud. If that is the case, then you are criminal just as you implied American writers are criminal earlier in this thread (by the very fact that several states have made essay writing illegal). But if I were in your situation (i.e. a good writer who can't get hired by legitimate sites because of your country of origin/residence), I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.
HOWEVER, this does not justify the actions of the companies you right for. As I said before, I don;t seen any extra ethical issues in your writing English essays simply because English is your second language, but these companies generally provide an inferior product (your own efforts excluded, of course), and the fact remains that they LIE in order to attract customers--about where they are located, who they hire, how long they've been in business, etc. This is plain wrong.
On a side not, I beg everyone t ignore any typos. I had three hours of sleep last night and just spent fourteen straight hours (no exaggeration) helping my mother-in-law move. I fixed the ones I found, but I can;t say that I looked very hard.
What does it say about me that this is where I come to unwind?
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EW_writer: LOL, I love how you try to gain support
Nice use of selective quoting, as usual. You always manage to ignore everything of substance in order to distract with meaningless, personal commentary. For the record, here's the entire quote:
WritersBeware: LOL, I love how you try to gain support against me by deceptively trying to make it seem as though I'm just picking on poor, innocent writers like you because, after all, falsely advertising as "American" is your employer's only crime. Nice try. Would you like me to post a partial list of the extensive, ongoing crimes of EssayWriters.net (Universal Research) for everyone's reference?
EW_writer: Are the people who write for foreign sites that advertise as American sites criminals?
EW, why do you keep asking people that intentionally skewed, grossly oversimplified question when I have already clarified, multiple times, EXACTLY what I do and do not mean? Oh, that's right—you have to maintain the inflammatory, race-baiting smokescreen because without it, you're screwed.
pheelyks: by the very fact that several states have made essay writing illegal
Pheelyks, that is actually a falsehood that CNN perpetuated (albeit accidentally, I'm sure) and EW_writer is now ignorantly championing because he thinks that it benefits his argument that ALL owners of ALL sites are criminals. I have offered to prove him wrong by actually quoting the laws, but he won't accept my challenge, as usual. He doesn't have the balls to say, "I stand by my legal claims." Why? Because he knows that I will absolutely bury him. Have you noticed that he never commits? At least I stick by my guns and PROVE my claims. More importantly, I don't make claims unless I know, in advance, that I can prove them.
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Sep 10, 09, 05:56AM
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WritersBeware: Pheelyks, that is actually a falsehood that CNN perpetuated (albeit accidentally, I'm sure)
Oh sure.. when things don't go your way, they're "falsehoods." :) As for the rest of your "legal claims," put a sock in them. It's the same stuff over and over again, all meant to convince clients against patronizing foreign sites. The CNN report clearly shows that all such efforts are futile. Like it or not, we have infiltrated the American market and we're here to stay. :p
pheelyks: I don't know how often we disagree, though we certainly disagree with the key issue in this thread (or what has become the key issue, at least). That being said, I do not think I would label you as criminal for this fact alone. Of course, I don't have a law degree, and I'm too tired right now to look up the relevant laws (which might be irrelevant in your country, anyway), so WB could be right in saying that you are technically an accessory to fraud.
I don't have a law degree as well but I'm reasonably confident that my being a writer for ew does not make me an accessory to any fraud. If people would care to point out existing laws to the contrary, I invite them to go right ahead.
pheelyks: If that is the case, then you are criminal just as you implied American writers are criminal earlier in this thread (by the very fact that several states have made essay writing illegal).
Actually, my statement implied that all essay mills (not just American ones) are liable to the laws against selling homework that do exist in many states (one actual law has been referenced by humble somewhere in this message board).
pheelyks: But if I were in your situation (i.e. a good writer who can't get hired by legitimate sites because of your country of origin/residence), I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.
Thanks.
pheelyks: HOWEVER, this does not justify the actions of the companies you right for. As I said before, I don;t seen any extra ethical issues in your writing English essays simply because English is your second language, but these companies generally provide an inferior product (your own efforts excluded, of course), and the fact remains that they LIE in order to attract customers--about where they are located, who they hire, how long they've been in business, etc. This is plain wrong.
I'm actually cool with all that. If I could get them to change their highly oppressive and unfair business model, I would. Heck, I've tried so many times before already. One time I even brought up that it may be a good move for them to take out the "All-American" guarantees from their feeder sites to make them look more transparent. They simply denied to me that their feeder sites had any such "All-American" guarantees. Aside from that, I'm actually doing a lot less work for them nowadays than I used to in previous years because I've found other foreign sites that also pay well. My only point here really is that people shouldn't shoot their mouths off at foreign writers and call them criminals just because they work for sites like ew. While such a cretin exists in this board, I won't stop making life a living hell for it. ^__^
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pheelyks: What does it say about me that this is where I come to unwind?
I know what you mean. >.<
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EW_writer: Oh sure.. when things don't go your way, they're "falsehoods." :)
Don't go my way? This argument is headed in one direction, and you're in the rear view mirror. The fact that you actually think you're winning this argument is a testament to your delusional and desperate state of mind.
Following are critical excerpts from the applicable law in five prominent and legally influential states. Keep in mind, too, that for a person/company/seller to be found guilty under any of the following or similar state laws, the state must prove—beyond a reasonable doubt—that the person/company/seller knows, was outwardly informed by the customer, or has reason to believe that the customer intends to submit the person's/company's/seller's copyrighted research material for academic credit—under the customer's name—without proper attribution of the material's source.
California
codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/EDC/3/d5/40/6/s66405
As used in this chapter, "prepare" means to put into condition for intended use. "Prepare" does not include the mere typing or assembling of papers, nor the mere furnishing of information or research.
Connecticut
legaltips.org/connecticut/Chap949b.aspx#Sec53-392b.aspx
Nothing contained in this chapter shall prevent any person from providing tutorial assistance, research material, information or other assistance to persons enrolled in a university, college, academy, school or other educational institution which is chartered, incorporated, licensed, registered or supervised by this state, which is not intended for submission directly or in substantial part as an assignment under the student's name to such educational institution in fulfillment of the requirements for a degree, diploma, certificate or course of study or to prevent any person from rendering for a fee services which include the typing, research, assembling, transcription, reproduction or editing of a manuscript or other assignment which he has not prepared at the request of or on behalf of the purchaser.
Florida
law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/877.17.html
This section shall not prevent any person or educational institution from providing tutorial assistance, research material, information, or courses in research or writing unless this service includes the preparation, research, or writing of a report or paper as outlined in subsection (1). No person shall be prevented by this section from selling or offering to sell services which include the typing, assembling, transcription, reproduction, or editing of a manuscript or other assignment prepared by the purchaser.
New Jersey
law.justia.com/newjersey/codes/7353/735b.html
Nothing contained in this section shall prevent any person from providing tutorial assistance, research material, information or other assistance to persons enrolled in a university, college, academy, school or other educational institution, which is not intended for submission directly or in substantial part as an assignment under the student's name to such educational institution in fulfillment of the requirements for a degree, diploma, certificate or course of study. Nor shall any person be prevented by this act from rendering services for a fee which include the typing, research, assembling, transcription, reproduction or editing of a manuscript or other assignment which he has not prepared at the request of or on behalf of the purchaser.
New York
law.onecle.com/new-york/education/EDN0213-B_213-B.html
Nothing contained within this section shall prevent any person from selling or offering for sale a publication or other written material which shall have been registered under the United States laws of copyright, provided, however, that the owner of such copyright shall have given his authorization or approval for such sale and provided further that such publication or other written material shall not be intended for submission as a dissertation, thesis, term paper, essay, report or other written assignment to such educational institution within the state of New York in fulfillment of the requirements for a degree, diploma, certificate or course of study.
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WritersBeware: Would you like me to post a partial list of the extensive, ongoing crimes of EssayWriters.net (Universal Research) for everyone's reference?
Thank you, EW_writer, for highlighting yet another one of EssayWriters.net's illegal practices. I'll add it to the list.
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Even the people who write for ET admit that clients use their work for credit so your posts as usual, mean nothing relevant.
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Hey but if you insist, then we should all warn students against ordering from ET and all the other companies that supposedly don't sell them papers that they can turn in for credit. At the very least, students should be made aware in this forum that they're not supposed to submit papers that they buy from ET as their own. See how double-edged that sword is? :p
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EW_writer: Even the people who write for ET admit that clients use their work for credit so your posts as usual, mean nothing relevant.
EW_writer: Hey but if you insist, then we should all warn students against ordering from ET and all the other companies that supposedly don't sell them papers that they can turn in for credit. At the very least, students should be made aware in this forum that they're not supposed to submit papers that they buy from ET as their own. See how double-edged that sword is? :p
Embarrassingly defeated in his argument that all owners of all essay sites are criminals, the crook defaults to his true passion and ulterior purpose in this forum: defaming and unfairly competing against his competitor.
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WritersBeware: Embarrassingly defeated in his argument that all owners of all essay sites are criminals, the crook defaults to his true passion and ulterior purpose in this forum: defaming and unfairly competing against his competitor.
O.o err... are you nuts? o.O My true passion is pummeling you senseless in every senseless argument that you make which is exactly what I've just done, AGAIN. ^_^
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Also, I never said that I was retracting my claim that essay mills are indeed breaking the law in many states by selling homework to students. I was only stating that IF that was not the case for American companies, then students should not buy from them at all. Why buy from a company that DOES NOT allow you to turn in what you bought for credit? That's what you bought the stuff for in the first place!
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EW_writer: O.o err... are you nuts? o.O My true passion is pummeling you senseless in every senseless argument that you make which is exactly what I've just done, AGAIN. ^_^
Members, please cast your vote for whom you honestly think won this debate. Please also provide the reasoning behind your vote.
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C'mon, I know that you guys don't necessarily want to get involved, but you've got to have an opinion on the debate that started here. I put a great deal of time and effort into the research, so please provide some feedback.
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WritersBeware: you've got to have an opinion on the debate
Okay - can identify two debates here:
1) Best Essays is dishonest: I really do not see any point to the debate. The company lies about the nationality and qualifications of its writers; provides clients (unless their orders are picked up by one of the few good writers there) with abysmal quality; posts an absolutely fake address on its website; does not satisfy its guarantees; conceals its nationality and ownership; fines writers; delays writers' salaries; pays writers a shockingly meagre percentage of what the company gets per order; simply does not run a clean show. So, what is there to debate? ANY COMPANY WHICH LIES ABOUT THE AFOREMENTIONED IS FRAUDULENT! ANY COMPANY WHICH PAYS WRITERS 4-5$ PER PAGE OF GRADUATE RESEARCH IS @#$%&. Dishonest is dishonest - no two ways about it ...
2) Writers who work for EW, A-R, etc are criminals: I disagree. Some are highly qualified and, unfortunately, are being discriminated against. Due to either nationality or geographic location, their applications are rejected by what we call the "legitimate" companies. They are left with no choice at all. I doubt that any of them (I am referring to the truly qualified ones and not the multitudes whose hands should be severed for ever daring to write in English) enjoy the working conditions they are subjected to - fines, low wages, delays in payments, etc. Unfortunately, they really do not believe that they have anywhere else to go and many need the money. So, I believe they are victims ....
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Thanks for the feedback, OR.
OxbridgeResearchers: Writers who work for EW, A-R, etc are criminals: I disagree.
I also disagree. However, that's not at all my contention. I contend, specifically, that an unqualified, ESL writer who is aware that the "company" intentionally misrepresents his/her location, skills, and experience is a willing accessory to the calculated fraud campaign and crimes of that company. Remember, as has been communicated by different members in this forum, most writers (ESL or EFL) who initially accept employment with these scamming companies do not realize that
a. they will be writing essays for students;
b. that the companies intentionally misrepresent writers' location, skills, and experience.
Once a writer becomes aware of the fraud in which he/she has been unwittingly participating, that writer has the legal obligation to do one or more of the following things:
1. immediately quit;
2. demand that the employer stop misrepresenting his/her qualifications (if the employer refuses, then quit);
3. report the crimes to Federal authorities (in many circumstances, an employee is legally obligated to report any Federal crime of which he/she becomes aware, regardless of any potentially negative impact on his/her state of employment; if the employee looks the other way, he/she may be considered an accessory and be prosecuted as such).
Indeed, in some cases of online fraud, ignorance is not a legal defense. For example:
. . . the hapless agent [writer] is now an accessory to serious criminal activity and may ultimately be charged accordingly. Effectively, the agent [writer] becomes a 'mule' to be used at will by the criminals responsible.
SOURCE:
http://scamguard.typepad.com/the_scam_guard/payment-transfer-job-scam-email s/
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Sep 12, 09, 05:31PM
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I didnt catch this on CNN but will look it up now.
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Sep 12, 09, 05:37PM
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While maintaining that the writers are not criminals (the good ones, the qualified ones are not; the others ....), I do believe that `yes,' they should look for an alternative. More than anyone, they know just how dishonest these companies are and they are victimised almost as much as the customers are - yet, they hang on. I can only assume that it is out of pressing economic need and failure to find work elsewhere.
WritersBeware: the hapless agent [writer] is now an accessory to serious criminal activity and may ultimately be charged accordingly. Effectively, the agent [writer] becomes a 'mule' to be used at will by the criminals responsible.
Yes - according to the letter of the law, that is true.
WritersBeware: 1. immediately quit;
I did because I have the luxury of economic security ... many don't. That is the sad thing. EW, A-R, etc know this and are really making the most of it.
WritersBeware: 3. report the crimes to Federal authorities
They would only be aware of their legal duties and basic rights if they were based in the UK, US or EU (Canada, etc). What would a writer in Kenya, Zimbabwe, etc know? They really select their writers, WB, and do not disclose their real location just in case one of them does decide to report them. In most cases, the writers are not even privy to the names of the company's client-end websites! These companies are in a different category ... typical criminal-slippery. Did you read IvyR's posts? UNDISCLOSED LOCATION ... she actually said that they do not disclose their location!
At the end of the day, the fact is that these websites only have a handful of qualified writers - A HANDFUL - and they, whether sooner or later, eventually leave. The majority of their writers will not leave because they are SIMPLY UNEMPLOYABLE; they are paid $4-6 per page and that is $4-6 more than they are worth :)
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Sep 12, 09, 10:45PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: 1) Best Essays is dishonest:
If there was such a debate, I wasn't a part of it. I never claimed that bestessays is an honest company. >.<
OxbridgeResearchers: Writers who work for EW, A-R, etc are criminals: I disagree. Some are highly qualified and, unfortunately, are being discriminated against. Due to either nationality or geographic location, their applications are rejected by what we call the "legitimate" companies.
That's what I'm talking about.
WritersBeware: I contend, specifically, that an unqualified, ESL writer who is aware that the "company" intentionally misrepresents his/her location, skills, and experience is a willing accessory to the calculated fraud campaign and crimes of that company.
Exactly, which proves that you have utterly no right to call me a criminal.
Where's the debate, again? ^_^
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 12, 09, 10:52PM
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EW_writer: Exactly, which proves that you have utterly no right to call me a criminal. Where's the debate, again? ^_^
Are you serious?
WritersBeware: I contend, specifically, that an unqualified, ESL writer who is aware that the "company" intentionally misrepresents his/her location, skills, and experience is a willing accessory to the calculated fraud campaign and crimes of that company.
1. You fight tooth-and-nail, every day, trying to defend the indefensible, illegal activities of your employer.
2. You constantly and falsely assert that "all" other companies are "just as fraudulent" as your employer (BestEssays.com) in order to convince would-be victims to do business with that ripoff company (EssayWriters.net / Universal Research) because it funnels dirty money into your pockets. Plus, your activities in support and defense of EssayWriters.net cause countless victims to fall prey to the vast majority of EssayWriters.net's other writers who are significantly less skilled than you. Therefore, you are both a co-conspirator and a willing accessory to the company's crimes for personal profit, with utter disregard for the general welfare of others.
3. You have openly admitted that you intentionally misrepresent yourself to potential clients at EB.
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Edited by: EW_writer Sep 12, 09, 11:09PM
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WritersBeware: I contend, specifically, that an unqualified, ESL writer who is aware that the "company" intentionally misrepresents his/her location, skills, and experience is a willing accessory to the calculated fraud campaign and crimes of that company.
Someone seriously needs to take a course on semantic logic. ^_^
Btw, it's EW_writer-1, WB-0 on the debate of whether or not competent ESL writers who work for sites like EW or AR are criminals. Plus if we count your vote based on the quoted statement above, that would make EW_writer-2, WB-0 with you actually voting against yourself. >.< Funny, isn't it? :D I hope you don't mind my keeping count but you did ask for it. ^_^
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 12, 09, 11:15PM
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EW_writer: Someone seriously needs to take a course on semantic logic. ^_^
Did you not take note of the bold words in my quote? Geez, do I have to spoon-feed you? Due to your ongoing activities, you fall into a legal category outside that of the average writer from EssayWriters.net. Your skill-level is irrelevant; your legal culpability is what makes you a criminal by legal definition. That's a fact.
EW_writer: Btw, it's EW_writer-1, WB-0 on the debate of whether or not competent ESL writers who work for sites like EW or AR are criminals.
LOL! Please quote a post in which I state that qualified, ESL writers who are unaware of their employer's illegal activities are criminals. (Regardless, it is a fact that ignorance is often not an acceptable excuse in a court of law.)
By the way, how does it feel to know that the only person who truly shares your twisted positions in these debates is chacha?
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Edited by: EW_writer Sep 12, 09, 11:50PM
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WritersBeware: Did you not take note of the bold words in my quote? Geez, do I have to spoon-feed you? Due to your ongoing activities, you fall into a legal category outside that of the average writer from EssayWriters.net. Your skill-level is irrelevant; your legal culpability is what makes you a criminal by legal definition. That's a fact.
Like I said.
EW_writer: Someone seriously needs to take a course on semantic logic. ^_^
I'd love to explain the simple lessons of the course to you and how your previous posts show how much of an idiot you are, but those lessons don't come free and the latter is pretty evident to everyone reading this thread.
WritersBeware: By the way, how does it feel to know that the only person who truly shares your twisted positions in these debates is chacha?
Haha! Now you're trying to gain support from other people here who are against chacha by making it appear to them that I'm with that essay restaurateur. Don't you think that you're seriously undermining the intelligence of the people that you're trying to get on your side? Pathetic.
EW_writer-2
WB-0
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