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Sep 6, 09, 05:00AM
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check out the link
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/09/04/costello.outsourcing.homewor k.cnn
Eugene of Uvocorp..and the rest check out...every dog has is day
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Sep 6, 09, 09:02AM
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I just saw it. Cool report!!! :D Woohoo! The company I work for was on t.v.!!! ^____^ Thanks for sharing, chinedu. :) My only gripe is that I didn't get to write the Blair essay. It would have really made my day if my work was showcased on CNN. >.<
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 6, 09, 01:57PM
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Recap:
1. The CNN reporter states that the female representative for EssayWriters.net (BestEssays.com) refused to talk about the company.
2. The CNN reporter states that paper she ordered was "obviously written by someone who's native language is not English," even though she paid for what she was falsely led to believe by BestEssays.com is the services of a professional, American writer with a PhD degree.
3. The CNN reporter delivered the paper to an American university professor. The professor assigned the paper an "F" grade due to horrible quality; specifically, "incoherence" and "writing that is well below what is expected of the average college student."
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Awww, UVO. How do I hate thee? Let me count the ways....
WritersBeware: 1. The CNN reporter states that the female representative for EssayWriters.net (BestEssays.com) refused to talk about the company. 2. The CNN reporter states that paper she ordered was "obviously written by someone who's native language is not English," even though she paid for what she was falsely led to believe by BestEssays.com is the services of a professional, American writer with a PhD degree. 3. The CNN reporter delivered the paper to an American university professor. The professor assigned the paper an "F" grade due to horrible quality; specifically, "incoherence" and "writing that is well below what is expected of the average college student."
Definitely a good start. Add cheating their writers and having amazingly stupid (not just English-deficient, but really SLOW) admin (sorry, "writer support") folks, and that about sums it up.
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Sep 6, 09, 04:21PM
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. in today's news...
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Sep 6, 09, 10:24PM
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4. EssayWriters.net stole the home address of an innocent citizen in Virginia, which—in addition to many potential legal complications—causes him to receive tons of unwanted mail.
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Sep 6, 09, 10:52PM
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Fine points about the CNN report for foreign writers:
1.) The reporter did admit that more and more American students are seeking help from writers who are situated in places as far as India or Pakistan (whether they know it or not). This trend at the very least shows that foreign writers have clearly infiltrated the American market. We have taken our share of the proverbial pie and it is most certainly a significant piece if not a lion's share.
2.) The report clearly stated that the business we are all engaging in is illegal in many states. This ends the debate on who are criminals in this line of work and who are not.
What about bestessay's "F"? If CNN was really serious about determining the general quality of products that come from bestessays or any other writing site for that matter, they would have made more than just one order. In fact with the same budget, they could have ordered three different papers from bestessays instead of just one. The report simply wanted to relay a final message that students should not make use of essay writing sites in general. I don't think that anyone here can claim that that one output accurately reflects the overall ability of ESL writers.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 6, 09, 10:59PM
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EW_writer: The reporter did admit that more and more American students are seeking help from writers who are situated in places as far as India or Pakistan (whether they know it or not).
They absolutely do NOT find out until it's too late, thanks to the blatantly illegal advertising of BestEssays.com and its subsidiaries.
EW_writer: The report clearly stated that the business we are all engaging in is illegal in many states.
On that count, the reporter is wrong. The laws do not make illegal the existence of essay sites. Do you really want me to school you AGAIN on this matter?
EW_writer: I don't think that anyone here can claim that that one output accurately reflects the overall ability of ESL writers.
Nobody is doing so. There are dozens—if not hundreds—of public complaints about the terrible quality of BestEssays.com and its affiliated sites. The CNN report is merely the latest confirmation of BestEssay's intentional business fraud and downright incompetent writing.
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Edited by: EW_writer Sep 6, 09, 11:08PM
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WritersBeware: They absolutely do NOT find out until it's too late, thanks to the blatantly illegal advertising of BestEssays.com and its subsidiaries.
You fail to see the point. The fact that foreign writers are "thriving" means that while there are some customers who end up not being satisfied with the work they get, much more are satisfied and probably end up ordering more work.
WritersBeware: On that count, the reporter is wrong. The laws do not make illegal the existence of essay sites. Do you really want me to school you AGAIN on this matter?
Try to school them, dipsh*t. I don't take lessons from people who can't count. If CNN got this wrong, then they should acknowledge it. Until they do, I'd trust them more than I'd trust the legal opinions of anyone here (no offense to those who offered their opinions in the past).
WritersBeware: There are dozens—if not hundreds—of public complaints about the terrible quality of BestEssays.com and its affiliated sites.
How many of those complaints are genuine and how many are made up by the competition? :P
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 6, 09, 11:13PM
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"CNN's Carol Costello went online to buy a term paper from [*************]. She asked [and paid] for a "Premium Quality" paper on Jayson Blair, the former reporter fired by the New York Times for making up stories. Three, double-spaced pages with 5 references (the references added to the cost), totaled $80.97. . . . . The paper Costello ordered about Jayson Blair, the former New York Times reporter, came three days later. We decided to run it by American University Journalism Professor John Watson. Here's the very first sentence in the term paper that we bought:
The media acting as the eyes of the society ought to practice its role with the highest journalistic ethics possible; feeding the society with information of unquestionable source to perpetuate the credibility and the moral obligation bestowed to it.
[What a bunch of incoherent drivel!] Professor Watson's assessment: 'The first sentence does not express a coherent thought. Indeed, the entire essay does not show college-level organization or coherency.'
The professor's grade for the paper? F (fail)"
amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/04/cheating-on-papers-is-a-booming-web-business /
"DomainTools says most of the visitors to *************** are non-Americans. It breaks down this way:
Pakistan 28.8%
India 27.3%
USA 20.9% (only 2 out of 10 return visits to ***************—which is a site that is solely for the company's writers—are from people who actually live in the United States; this is because the vast majority of ***************'s writers are foreign, ESL writers from countries like India and Pakistan)
Philippines 6.5%
Ukraine 4.2%
Indonesia 1.8%"
amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/04/cheating-on-papers-is-a-booming-web-business /
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 6, 09, 11:23PM
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EW_writer: You fail to see the point. The fact that foreign writers are "thriving" means that while there are some customers who end up not being satisfied with the work they get, much more are satisfied and probably end up ordering more work.
Do you have proof? Nope. The fact of the matter is that there is a never-ending, constantly changing stream of "green" students of whom your employer takes advantage every semester. You lure them in with blatant lies. Once they pay, they're screwed. BestEssays.com often delivers incoherent, ESL drivel to customers who are too scared of potential repercussions to put up much of a stink, if at all.
EW_writer: Try to school them, dipsh*t.
You are such a COWARD. You type a big game, but you wilt in the face of any challenge.
EW_writer: How many of those complaints are genuine and how many are made up by the competition?
Why don't you give us an example of a complaint that you assert is "fake" instead of continuing to blow smoke out of your arse? Are all of the complaints of this board—from both customers and freelance writers—fake, too? Is all of the evidence that I (and others) have posted also fake?
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Sep 6, 09, 11:25PM
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EW_writer: The reporter did admit that more and more American students are seeking help from writers who are situated in places as far as India or Pakistan (whether they know it or not). This trend at the very least shows that foreign writers have clearly infiltrated the American market. We have taken our share of the proverbial pie and it is most certainly a significant piece if not a lion's share.
World remains silent when company's like Dell, Microsoft, Oracle outsource their facilities to India because it is in their best interest.. shifting of work to India and Pakistan does indicate that these two countries have better expertise and can offer great advantage to consumers in US and UK..
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 6, 09, 11:26PM
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chacha421: shifting of work to India and Pakistan does indicate that these two countries have better expertise
LMAO! It happens for ONE reason—lower costs for the company. Plus, many American companies have reverted to in-house CS because their call center in India pissed off countless customers.
I find it quite hilarious that you mention Dell. That company's customer service is a complete joke due to its CS outsourcing to India. Don't believe me? Here's a poignant quote from an Indian person living in the US:
"I'm Indian too and I *am* squarely blaming this on call centers in foreign countries like India. In the years that I've been in the United States, the customer service has been steadily declining ever since call centers started to be moved to cheaper countries. The simplest things take an immense amount of time to convey. They either can't speak english or can't understand. And if they can/do then they can't or won't help. We all now Dell has their own share of problems besides sucky customer service but callous Indians are certainly not helping. It was a factor when I decided to move away from Dell and to Apple. I get excellent customer service every time and they can speak in English!
Wash off your psuedo nationalism and recall the customer service you used to get back in India and come back to reality."
http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/006009.html#comment-23783
There are countless more, but I think you get the point (actually, knowing you, likely not).
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Sep 6, 09, 11:35PM
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EW_writer: This ends the debate on who are criminals in this line of work and who are not.
Fair enough, but just because growing and selling opium might be legal in some countries and illegal in others doesn't change the morality of the act. That's like saying the guy in Saudi Arabia who beats and murders his sister for being a rape victim is guiltless, while the guy who beats his wife in a country with less of a gender bias deserves to be in prison (which, to be clear, I believe he does.
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pheelyks: If someone bought a car and it ran as poorly as that essay was written, the company couldn't get away with it by saying "well, not ALL of our cars are that bad. Some of them are really good."
Yeah, and then EW_writer would add:
"Well, in 2003, ET wrote a bad paper, so that means we don't have to answer for any of our wrongdoing, ever. We're all equal criminals. God Bless the US!"
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Sep 6, 09, 11:42PM
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chacha421: shifting of work to India and Pakistan does indicate that these two countries have better expertise and can offer great advantage to consumers in US and UK.
no, it means that it's cheaper. And in areas of math--which computer programming requires a lot of--no nationality has nay advantage over another (1+1=2 in most countries). When it comes to English, English-speaking countries necessarily have more general expertise (though individuals in other countries might surpass individuals in the US/UK/Canada/Australia/etc). india and Pakistan have advantages over the US when it comes to writing essays in Hindi and Urdu.
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Sep 6, 09, 11:53PM
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pheelyks: I don't think that's what the report was implying. They stated the simple fact that the company in question promised to deliver a professional and academically acceptable paper, and failed miserably at the task. Yes, the thrust of the story was simply to dissuade students from cheating, but that doesn't change the fact that company flat out lied about the quality of their product. Maybe not all of their essays would be that bad, but the fact that even one could be means they lied about their qualifications and standards.
Cool. Never said bestessays was perfect (it's far from it). All I was saying was that like you said, the report wasn't on determining the general quality of bestessay's output.
pheelyks: Fair enough, but just because growing and selling opium might be legal in some countries and illegal in others doesn't change the morality of the act.
Amen.
WritersBeware: The fact of the matter is that there is a never-ending, constantly changing stream of "green" students of whom your employer takes advantage every semester.
Do YOU have proof? :p Sigh...
WritersBeware: You are such a COWARD. You type a big game, but you wilt in the face of any challenge.
Again:
EW_writer: I don't take lessons from people who can't count. If CNN got this wrong, then they should acknowledge it. Until they do, I'd trust them more than I'd trust the legal opinions of anyone here (no offense to those who offered their opinions in the past).
WritersBeware: Why don't you give us an example of a complaint that you assert is "fake" instead of continuing to blow smoke out of your arse?
The same way you assert that anyone who posts against ET is a fake? No, thanks. :)
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 6, 09, 11:58PM
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WritersBeware: Why don't you give us an example of a complaint that you assert is "fake" instead of continuing to blow smoke out of your arse? Are all of the complaints of this board—from both customers and freelance writers—fake, too? Is all of the evidence that I (and others) have posted also fake?
EW_writer: The same way you assert that anyone who posts against ET is a fake? No, thanks. :)
Coward. I prove that certain complaints are fake by asking particular questions that I know the perpetrator of a fake complaint cannot answer. They slither away, tale tucked, every time. THAT's my proof. Where's yours?
Oh, and I do recall one legit complaint here against ET. The complainer later commented that ET not only refunded the roughly $200, but also wrote a new, high-quality paper for him/her absolutely FREE.
Again, I ask: what is your sick fascination with ET?
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Now that CNN has independently confirmed that EssayWriters.net uses fake and stolen addresses in Virginia, that is one less hurdle to jump before pursuing legal remedies against Yuri, BestEssays.com, and EssayWriters.net in US Federal Court.
Get the latest news here:
http://voirdireveritas.blogspot.com/
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Sep 7, 09, 08:04PM
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I didn't watch the report in detail, but did they mention their false claim about "providing services since 1997"? How about their new 'corporate address,' has it been changed to a random one again?
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Major: I didn't watch the report in detail, but did they mention their false claim about "providing services since 1997"?
Good catch, major. I forgot about that part.
Updated recap:
1. The CNN reporter states that the female representative for EssayWriters.net (BestEssays.com) refused to talk about the company.
2. The CNN reporter states that paper she ordered was "obviously written by someone who's native language is not English," even though she paid for what she was falsely led to believe by BestEssays.com is the services of a professional, American writer with a PhD degree.
3. The CNN reporter delivered the paper to an American university professor. The professor assigned the paper an "F" grade due to horrible quality; specifically, "incoherence" and "writing that is well below what is expected of the average college student."
4. EssayWriters.net stole the home address of an innocent citizen in Virginia, which—in addition to many potential legal complications—causes him to receive tons of unwanted mail.
5. BestEssays.com falsely claims to have been online and serving customers since 1997. [The company's oldest domain wasn't even registered in the Whois database until September 25, 2003. That's six YEARS short of 1997, folks.]
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Sep 7, 09, 09:05PM
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Regarding #5, I have in my possession legally admissible evidence that on or around November 2, 2007, the crooks at BestEssays.com first falsified the copyright date of the site, changing it from "2002" (which, coincidentally, was also a false date that they used from the inception of the site in 2003 to November 10, 2007) to "1997." Why would they do this? Simple answer: to be able to falsely advertise that they "have been serving students for a decade (1997-2007)." The intentionally falsified date is now an emphasized, critical aspect of their ongoing marketing campaigns. They also now highlight this illegal deception as part of the top-of-the-page logo on both BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com.
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Sep 8, 09, 04:40AM
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Fine points about the CNN report for foreign writers:
1.) The reporter did admit that more and more American students are seeking help from writers who are situated in places as far as India or Pakistan (whether they know it or not). This trend at the very least shows that foreign writers have clearly infiltrated the American market. We have taken our share of the proverbial pie and it is most certainly a significant piece if not a lion's share.
2.) The report clearly stated that the business we are all engaging in is illegal in many states. This ends the debate on who are criminals in this line of work and who are not.
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EW_writer: (whether they know it or not)
That was one of the major points of the story--students think they are buying from American writers. They are NOT "seeking help from writers who are situated...[in] India or Pakistan"--they are seeking help from Americans (or Canadians, UK-ians, Australians), but RECEIVING help from others.
We've been through this before; I acknowledge that you (based on your postings here, at any rate) are fully capable of writing papers in English, but you have to admit that you are the exception to the general rule that the ESL individuals engaged in this industry do not provide a decent service.EW_writer: This trend at the very least shows that foreign writers have clearly infiltrated the American market.
True, but I don't see your point.
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pheelyks: That was one of the major points of the story--students think they are buying from American writers. They are NOT "seeking help from writers who are situated...[in] India or Pakistan"-- they are seeking help from Americans (or Canadians, UK-ians, Australians), but RECEIVING help from others.
Bingo, pheelyks! EW's spin never stops.
pheelyks: you have to admit that you are the exception to the general rule that the ESL individuals engaged in this industry do not provide a decent service
Bingo again! I have communicated the exact same message to EW multiple times. For stating the exact same facts, he refers to me as a "bigot."
Yes, like a fox in a hen house.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 8, 09, 05:05PM
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Simple question:
Why does BestEssays.com not openly admit that the vast majority of its writers are ESL and overseas instead of lying about them being American?
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As I have repeatedly stated here, there are many excellent ESL writers - truly excellent. Decent companies hire them because they are good and not because they are `cheap.' The good ones are paid the same rate as the native English speaking writers ....
While many are wonderful, however, all one has to do is read through this forum to realise that a good number are not. These `writers' have no place at all in the industry. Companies which hire them give the entire industry a bad name.
Bet anything that the atrocious CNN essay writer thought that his/her opening sentence was pure genuis ... it is nothing but idiotic gibberish. Can any imagine what the rest of the paper was like?! Probably a pile of verbiage. Yet, that writer was actually hired by a company.
Sorry ... but if you can't speak the language, find another line of work. This whole "cost-effective" argument has no bearing on the debate AT ALL; when the product/service is of unusable and unacceptable quality, cost-effectiveness is irrelevant - it is only relevant when talking of comparable quality and there are no grounds for comparison here.
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pheelyks: That was one of the major points of the story--students think they are buying from American writers. They are NOT "seeking help from writers who are situated...[in] India or Pakistan"--they are seeking help from Americans (or Canadians, UK-ians, Australians), but RECEIVING help from others.
When I buy NIKE shoes (or any other American brand shoes) I expect them to be manufactured in THE USA, not in China or Indonesia. So who didn't get the points of the story? :)
OxbridgeResearchers: While many are wonderful, however, all one has to do is read through this forum to realise that a good number are not. These `writers' have no place at all in the industry. Companies which hire them give the entire industry a bad name.
You don't insinuate that ALL American writers are GOOD just because they are American/UK/Australian, do you? WB wants you to believe that is true :).
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stu4: ALL American writers are GOOD just because they are American/UK/Australian
I don't recall her making a statement to that effect. As for my opinion ... it is ridiculous to claim that ALL Americans, Brits or Aussies are good writers by virtue of nationality. The worst among them, however, would still manage to sweat out a better opening sentence than the one in the CNN report.
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stu4: When I buy NIKE shoes (or any other American brand shoes) I expect them to be manufactured in THE USA, not in China or Indonesia
Well, you shouldn't, especially as the manufacturing label clearly states MADE IN CHINA. The comparison does not make sense as Nike clearly states the country of manufacturing while many essay companies openly lie.
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OxbridgeResearchers: Well, you shouldn't, especially as the manufacturing label clearly states MADE IN CHINA. The comparison does not make sense as Nike clearly states the country of manufacturing while many essay companies openly lie.
Does not make sense? Think harder.
Now go to the Nike official website to try to buy shoes: http://www.nike.com/nikeos/p/nike/en_US/?
And tell me where does it say (clearly or not) on their website that "NIKE shoes are manufactured in China and other foreign countries."
THEN get back with your report here.
NOT openly admitting something (ie. hiding the truth) is the same as lying. Or same as not revealing the corporate website address at all (hello WB, how is ET website doing? :).
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stu4: Does not make sense?
Why don't you just look at the manufacturing label? Who doesn't know that Nike outsources part of its manufacturing to China, Vietnam, Indonesia and Taiwan; Sony to Korea and Malaysia (among others). They do not hide this fact and the product you buy invariably displays the country of manufacturing on the inside label. So ... what on earth are we debating here? Facts versus erroneous assumptions??
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OxbridgeResearchers: Why don't you just look at the manufacturing label?
How? They purposely hid the label on the pictures. I buy shoes online just like students buy essays online.
OxbridgeResearchers: Who doesn't know that Nike outsources part of its manufacturing to China, Vietnam, Indonesia and Taiwan; Sony to Korea and Malaysia (among others).
Oh, so now the common knowlege is an excuse to hide the unpleasant truth? Your arguments are very shallow and are so easy to beat. I can only say that it is common knowledge that most essay sites hire ESL writers - then why the heck should BestEssays.com and others post it on their websites? Because WritersBeware wishes so?
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Sep 8, 09, 07:57PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: Decent companies hire them because they are good and not because they are `cheap.' The good ones are paid the same rate as the native English speaking writers ....
Exactly.
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stu4: When I buy NIKE shoes (or any other American brand shoes) I expect them to be manufactured in THE USA
FAIL. Nike packaging clearly communicates the country in which the products are manufactured.
stu4: WB wants you to believe that is true :).
FAIL. You wouldn't care to provide a quote, would you? I won't hold my breath. I, on the other hand, can provide quotes wherein I plainly state that there are utterly inept, native English-speaking writers. They are equally unwelcome in the industry, but at least they understand American cultural practices and norms.
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Sep 8, 09, 08:07PM
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WritersBeware: FAIL. Nike packaging clearly communicates the country in which the products are manufactured.
I can only see packaging AFTER they sent me the product. Not before I purchase it. I cannot see packaging on their website at all.
WritersBeware: FAIL. You wouldn't care to provide a quote, would you? I won't hold my breath. I, on the other hand, can provide quotes wherein I plainly state that there are utterly inept, native English-speaking writers. They are equally unwelcome in the industry.
Then put your money where you mouth is and post on your website a disclaimer:
"We hire American writers who could be utterly inept at writing essays."
THEN you can demand that other sites should put a note that:
"We hire ESL writers."
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 8, 09, 08:24PM
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stu4: I can only see packaging AFTER they sent me the product. Not before I purchase it. I cannot see packaging on their website at all.
FAIL. Nike not only discloses that many of its factories are located overseas, but goes a step further by providing a complete list—ONLINE—of every plant! (Click here to read the PDF.)
stu4: "We hire American writers who could be utterly inept at writing essays."
I don't have a site, but if I did, I sure as hell would not hire ANY unqualified writers, regardless of nationality. Plus, unlike you, I actually have the expertise to recognize which writers are qualified.
stu4: NOT openly admitting something (ie. hiding the truth) is the same as lying. Or same as not revealing the corporate website address at all (hello WB, how is ET website doing? :).
You are one stupid SOB, Yuri. I have already warned you once. One more act of personal slighting from you, and my crippling evidence against your miserable "company" in Ukraine (EssayWriters.net, BestEssays.com, SuperiorPapers.com, etc.) will appear on the desk of the CNN reporter (Carol Costello) (so that she may write a very interesting follow-up piece), plop in the lap of the person who is organizing a class action lawsuit against Universal Research (Yeah, I bet you didn't know that, did you, "Stu"?), and arrive at the offices of both the Attorney General of Virginia and General Prosecutor of Ukraine.
NOTE: There is a "Treaty between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters."
General Prosecutor of Ukraine (General'na prokuratura Ukrayini)
Address: 01011, KYIV, Riznic'ka vul., 13/15
Phone: (044) 2007662
Fax: (0652) 518436
admin[at]gp.gov.ua
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| pheelyks |
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Sep 8, 09, 08:31PM
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OxbridgeResearchers: it is ridiculous to claim that ALL Americans, Brits or Aussies are good writers by virtue of nationality. The worst among them, however, would still manage to sweat out a better opening sentence than the one in the CNN report.
I generally agree with you, but I'm not sure you've been to college lately. It's pretty depressing. Then again, the Americans I know who write like that would NEVER seek employment writing essays, as they would have spent ten minutes just coming up with that first sentence.
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| pheelyks |
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Sep 8, 09, 08:40PM
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stu4: When I buy NIKE shoes (or any other American brand shoes) I expect them to be manufactured in THE USA
If so, then you haven;t been paying any attention to the textile and clothing industry for the past forty years. the only clothing company that actually manufactures anything in the United States is American Apparel, and even their fabrics are woven in the third world. It sucks, but it's the fact. Most people know how manufacturing works, and do not expect that a good was actually manufactured in the US simply because it is a SU company selling the product.
HOWEVER, in this industry, it has become commonplace to say a product IS originating in the US (or UK, etc.) even when it ISN'T, because companies know that consumers in this industry are likely only to purchase essays written by people in these countries. US parents still knowingly buy toys for their children that were made in China because they're cheaper, even though they are generally pieces of sh*t. If customers wanted to buy sh*t essays from foreign companies to save money, that's fine--AS LONG AS IT IS DONE WITH INFORMED CONSENT, i.e. the company needs to put a "Made in the Ukraine (or Pakistan, etc)" label on it.
By the way, I used to work in a toy store, so I know whereof I speak on that note. I'm not being racist; Chinese-made toys cost about half as much as those made in Germany (which has a large number of toy manufacturers), and they break more easily and are simply of poorer quality.
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| pheelyks |
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Sep 8, 09, 08:41PM
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stu4: Oh, so now the common knowlege is an excuse to hide the unpleasant truth
This sentence is self-defeating. Common knowledge can't be hiding a truth--if the truth is commonly known, it isn't hidden. I'm not sure how else to explain this; it's pretty straightforward.
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