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Sep 2, 07, 10:54PM
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From a customer's point of view,
1. does it matter if the writer writing your paper comes from a country other than Britain or the U.S.?
2. does it matter if the writer is not a native English speaker?
3. would you refuse to order a product from a company that you know hires ESL writers?
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| WritersBeware |
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Sep 2, 07, 10:55PM
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If the CROOKS in the industry would simply be honest, there would be no need to ask those questions.
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Sep 2, 07, 11:14PM
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Let's be reasonable, a lot of people do realize that hiring non-Native American writers is an easy possibility with any essay writing agency. Still, I truly am interested to find out whether or not customers at large really put higher premium on the "guarantee" of having Native American writers work for them over the actual quality of work delivered.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 3, 07, 03:17AM
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Again, the answer is not difficult to attain: simply tell your fraudulent associates at EssayWriters.net in Ukraine to openly state on their sites that the vast majority of their writers are ESL from non-US countries. Their plummeting sales at BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com will be your definitive answer.
I will ask you the exact same question that I ask all pof the other EW cronies:
Why does the owner of EssayWriters.net disguise himself as an American who operates American sites that employ only native English-speaking writers? Why all the lies?
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Sep 3, 07, 06:19AM
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I don't know what nationalities my bosses are and frankly, I don't care. Your assumptions of 'plummeting' sales are grossly unfounded (and yes, thank you for admitting that sales at the moment are quite high considering the down season). You're sorely out of topic. Go diss in your own thread. :p
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 3, 07, 02:08PM
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Quoting: EW_writer I don't know what nationalities my bosses are and frankly, I don't care. Your assumptions of 'plummeting' sales are grossly unfounded (and yes, thank you for admitting that sales at the moment are quite high considering the down season). You're sorely out of topic. Go diss in your own thread. :p
I didn't admit a damn thing, chimp. All of EW's sites COMBINED do not get the traffic of certain American sites.
It's too bad that you are not qualified to work for the elite, legitimate companies that started the industry. Oh well--keep working for peanuts, Mr. ESL.
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Sep 5, 07, 05:12AM
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Quoting: WritersBeware I didn't admit a damn thing, chimp.
Since I sadly don't have anything better to do, I'll actually take the time to explain this to you, lanchaw bin.
This:
Quoting: WritersBeware Again, the answer is not difficult to attain: simply tell your fraudulent associates at EssayWriters.net in Ukraine to openly state on their sites that the vast majority of their writers are ESL from non-US countries. Their plummeting sales at BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com will be your definitive answer.
highlights your assumption that suppose everyone knows that sites like ours do hire non-native English speakers, our sales would plummet. Unwittingly, it acknowledges that at the moment our sales ARE NOT plummeting.
Your empty assumptions aside, whether or not any plummeting would happen is precisely part of the discussion in this thread.
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| Lavinia |
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Edited by: Lavinia Sep 5, 07, 12:55PM
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this thread is pointless.
your company lies about the qualifications and backgrounds of its employees as a component of its marketing strategy. obviously, your bosses think that it makes a difference to the customer or they wouldn't do it.
an honest and potentially effective marketing strategy would involve acknowledging the use of non-native writers as a means of keeping cost to the consumer low. then, customers can make an informed decision. why don't your bosses just do that?
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| EW_writer |
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Sep 5, 07, 05:38PM
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That doesn't make this thread pointless. I just want to hear the opinion of customers who visit this site regarding having ESL writers work for them. That's it. ^_^
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 5, 07, 06:22PM
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Why doesn't EW simply ASK customers if they would prefer an ESL writer or a native English-speaking, American writer with an MA or PhD degree from an American or British university?
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Sep 5, 07, 07:29PM
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That's not fair. :) How about this:
To Customers:
Do you prefer a native English-speaking American writer with an MA/MSc or PhD degree from an American or British university who'll charge you $20/page or a non-native English speaker from a 3rd world country also with an MA/MSc or PhD degree from a university in his/her locality who'll charge you $10/page?
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Sep 5, 07, 07:42PM
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Yes, that is acceptable.
I look forward to seeing that question/option on BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com.
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Sep 5, 07, 08:06PM
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I look forward to seeing it answered here. ^_^
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Sep 5, 07, 08:27PM
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Honestly, it doesn't matter at all what people state here. EW doesn't give customers the opportunity to choose. In fact, EW simply lies and fools them into believing that the writers are American. Until EssayWriters.net decides to do HONEST business, nothing will change.
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| Lavinia |
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Sep 5, 07, 09:22PM
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That question is answered by the market, which is why this thread is pretty much pointless. Talking with one's money is far more effective than a post to a msgboard.
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Sep 5, 07, 09:28PM
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While this is true, are you claiming to have links to such market statistics? I don't. That's why I'm asking here.
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Sep 5, 07, 10:29PM
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why would i need statistics if you're willing to concede that my point is true?
please note that your post has been up now for 3 days and has only garnered the interest of two writers. you surely don't think that any posts from individuals claiming to be customers who post on this thread would be representative of the total consumer market. at best, you'll get a couple of advocates that you can use as lip service in the ongoing war between you and WB.
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Sep 5, 07, 11:34PM
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Err.. not really. I won't use a couple of folks' say so and make it seem like the general truth, that's more up lanchaw bin's alley. I started this thread during the remainder of my break a couple of days ago and I really was just curious. I read through some threads where the supposed customers posted and though it would be interesting to get their opinions. What do you have against this thread?
Quoting: Lavinia why would i need statistics if you're willing to concede that my point is true?
I conceded that the market is the best measure but by no means did I concede what the market shows.
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Sep 6, 07, 12:06AM
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honestly? the problem with this thread is that it reeks of a personal agenda.
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Sep 6, 07, 12:12AM
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What personal agenda? O.O Look, if a couple of trolls go here and say one thing or another you know better than to believe them and so would the smarter people who read these threads. However the fact remains that there are legitimate customers of academic writing companies that frequent this thread and their opinions would be helpful in establishing a much contested issue regarding the existence of sites like ew.
If by personal agenda you mean my wanting to find out whether such customers do care about who writes their papers for them, then I guess you're right. This thread is reeking of exactly that.
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Sep 6, 07, 12:45AM
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Quoting: Lavinia honestly? the problem with this thread is that it reeks of a personal agenda
maybe Lavinia means this thread "reeks of a personal agenda" of an infiltrator from essaywriters.net, the thread starter??????????
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Sep 6, 07, 12:48AM
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Quoting: EW_writer their opinions would be helpful in establishing a much contested issue regarding the existence of sites like ew
what does that even mean?
you work for a poorly managed company that lies in its marketing concerning the qualifications of its employees and now you're asking the public about the very issue that your company lies about? why? to see if that lie is financially justified? to see if maybe the company doesn't have to lie anymore to keep its customers incoming? i mean... come on...
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Sep 6, 07, 01:55AM
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Quoting: Lavinia their opinions would be helpful in establishing a much contested issue regarding the existence of sites like ew
My bad, I meant:
their opinions would be helpful in establishing their side in a much contested issue regarding the existence of sites like ew.
Like I said, I was just curious about what the customers have to say. Does it always have to about some hidden agenda? I'm just a writer. What is there to be afraid of in my being curious about what customers think? If it doesn't matter to you, why not just stop posting here and just let the thread die if there really aren't any customers ineterested in sharing their opinions?
@essayer
Are current writers of ew not allowed to share their thoughts in this forum?
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Edited by: Fae77 Sep 9, 07, 10:42AM
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It does matter if you want a good paper. Sorry, I have cleaned up too many off shore writer's works to believe they are good English writers. In their own language, I bet they freaking rock. In collegiate English, no, it takes years and years of practice, and I only know one foreigner that can do it right.
PS: I'm writing for EW right now, and as long as they pay me when pay is due I don't give a crap.
Its not who you write for, its your attitude problem. Get over yourself.
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Sep 26, 07, 08:46PM
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I would prefer a native English-speaking American/British writer, with an MA/MSc or PhD degree, from an American or British university, that would charge me $20 per page for an English Language or English Literature piece of work. But, for another subject like History I would prefer an English speaking foreigner with a Masters or PhD degree in both English Language and the other subject (History), that would charge me $10 per page for a piece of work like a History essay.
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Sep 27, 07, 11:11AM
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That's my point right there. ^____^
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Sep 27, 07, 12:39PM
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Quoting: tommy1 But, for another subject like History I would prefer an English speaking foreigner with a Masters or PhD degree in both English Language and the other subject (History), that would charge me $10 per page for a piece of work like a History essay.
EW, are you claiming to have a PhD in both English Language and the subjects you write in? If you don't, then this isn't your point.
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Sep 27, 07, 02:07PM
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Sites that do not disclose the true location and qualifications of the company/writers are FRAUDULENT--plain and simple! You can use 1,000 different excuses, but that doesn't make you any less of a crook.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 27, 07, 06:10PM
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It's just like the typical EW supporter to resort to name-calling and distraction when I state simple facts.
EW_writer, true or false:
"Sites that purposely advertise false location and qualifications are FRAUDULENT."
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Edited by: Lavinia Sep 27, 07, 07:20PM
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ew, you can't read English or you simply refuse to do so. Tommy clearly says:
Quoting: tommy1 But, for another subject like History I would prefer an English speaking foreigner with a Masters or PhD degree in both English Language and the other subject (History), that would charge me $10 per page for a piece of work like a History essay.
he only wants an ESL writer with a PhD in English Language AND a PhD in the other subject like History. that's not you, that's not the average ESL writer, period.
and this ends the debate. note Tommy is looking for a British company, not a scamming ESL company:
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9_327_0.html
but you're doing exactly what i said you'd do, clinging defiantly to the one client who almost sorta but not quite says what you are hoping they will say. this whole question assumes that the client actually has a choice instead of being lied to by frauds like you.
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Sep 27, 07, 07:25PM
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"Choice" doesn't mesh with the criminals' business model.
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Sep 27, 07, 10:31PM
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this whole question assumes that the client actually has a choice instead of being lied to by frauds like you.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 27, 07, 10:47PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware EW_writer, true or false: "Sites that purposely advertise false location and qualifications are FRAUDULENT."
EW_writer ignores the question for a third time! No surprise there.
Quoting: EW_writer * ignores monkeys*
It's not nice to ignore your family and spouse, EW_writer. Communication is the cornerstone of any decent family. Since you ignore the other monkeys in your family and never discuss the differences between right and wrong, your complete lack of honor and integrity now makes a little more sense.
EW_writer's FRAUDULENT friends do not give customers a choice, Lavinia. They never have, and they never will. They know that if they admit their TRUE qualifications and location on their Web sites, their sales will drop by 90% overnight.
The Ukrainian CROOKS from EssayWriters.net continue to engage in such blatant deception and misrepresentation because it's "monetarily beneficial."
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Sep 28, 07, 01:13PM
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of course you didn't read it, you've proven yourself incapable of reading anything that doesn't agree exactly with you.
let's up the stakes a bit more:
to write a philosophy paper, would you prefer to pay 10$ a page for an articulate ESL writer with zero knowledge of logic who defines syllogism as "a logical argument" and works for a company that lies to you about the competency of their writers or a EFL writer with a degree in that field and university-level teaching experience who will charge you 30$ per page?
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Sep 28, 07, 07:38PM
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EW_writer, if you re-post the same content for a fourth time, you risk being banned. Don't say nobody warned you.
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| Lavinia |
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Sep 28, 07, 11:23PM
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it is hilarious that EW will derail the threads of others but protests vehemently when dissenting voices threaten to derail his agenda.
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Sep 29, 07, 07:09PM
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i like my scenario better. surely, if i keep posting and reposting eventually someone will answer and then i can manipulate their answers to fit my own agenda.
let's up the stakes a bit more:
to write a philosophy paper, would you prefer to pay 10$ a page for an articulate ESL writer with zero knowledge of logic who defines syllogism as "a logical argument" and works for a company that lies to you about the competency of their writers or a EFL writer with a degree in that field and university-level teaching experience who will charge you 30$ per page?
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Sep 29, 07, 09:52PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware EW_writer, if you re-post the same content for a fourth time, you risk being banned. Don't say nobody warned you.
Admin, please ban EW_writer for submitting the exact same, lengthy post FOUR TIMES, even after being warned not do do so.
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| Lavinia |
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Sep 29, 07, 11:01PM
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bravo WB.
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Sep 29, 07, 11:28PM
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I'm soooo.. banned. :)
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