American, British, and Canadian Fraud

Enough is enough, fraudsters. As they say, "man-up" or shut up.

This thread represents a golden opportunity for the known fraudsters from Ukraine and Pakistan to prove their baseless assertions that legitimate companies (i.e., what the utter lack of contrary evidence proves are the fraudsters' honest, law-abiding competitors) in the US, UK, or CA also engage in fraud and/or intentional misrepresentation against consumers and/or freelance writers.


RULES OF PARTICIPATION:

1. Conjecture is not allowed.

2. Hearsay is not allowed.

3. Accusations—against any member, non-member, site, or company—are not allowed unless accompanied by verifiable evidence from a neutral source.

EssayTown.com is just an affiliate of Snrinfo.com:



and just takes an affiliate % of each 'custom research' order that Snrinfo delivers. I could find NO information about that on EssayTown.com website and that is my problem. Unless it is not important to the client? But then, in case of a problem, whom the client should contact - the main company or the affiliate?

The evidence that ET hides this crucial fact:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&&q=site%3Awww.essaytown.com+snrinfo.com

I do think it is dishonest to say at least. Any company should be as transparent in its business practices as it could be.

Well, it's no surprise that a fraudster would completely ignore that RULES of the thread.

In my opinion, the moderator should delete stu4's post because it is a) in violation of the clear rules of the thread; b) simply irrelevant.

As proven by the URL that ever-so-brilliant stu4 posted (thanks for saving me the time and effort, by the way, Stewy), SNR has a partnership with ET. Neither company makes an effort to "hide" anything. To believe Stewy's defamatory accusation, one would also have no choice but to believe that nobody in either company could "hide" the connection (if they had any desire to do so) by quickly applying a redirect script to the URL so that it appears on the ET domain. As I have also proven, ET hires its own writers, some of whom I suspect also then work for SNR (considering the partnership between the two companies). If you'd like, Stewy, I can shoot an email to SNR, asking them to sign-up here to clarify the situation and disprove your many lies (not that I need the help).

I read the rules (and took a dictionary to understand some of the words, I admit it).

RE: 1. Conjecture is not allowed.

This is not a conjecture, I provided a verifiable proof.

RE: 2. Hearsay is not allowed.

This is not a hearsay, I provided a verifiable proof.

RE: 3. Accusations—against any member, non-member, site, or company—are not allowed unless accompanied by verifiable evidence from a neutral source.

I provided a verifiable proof - found on the website in question. One could not get a better proof!

So, again, which rule did I not follow?

And what is the difference between "affiliate" and "partner"? I called it "affiliate" because that's what they call it on SNR website.

Indeed, you did. You provided "verifiable proof" of a partnership that SNR openly admits on its site and ET openly displays through the URL that you posted. Congrats, genius.


Hmm, where do I begin?



Verifiable lie, which I have already proven by pointing out that ET provides at least three other services.


Pointless question based on malicious, propagandistic intent. FYI, when I placed my two "test" orders with ET, I received multiple emails that clearly outline the connection between the two companies, as well as precisely how and where to easily contact both companies.


Blatant lie—the URL the you posted PROVES that ET makes no attempt whatsover to "hide" anything. LOL!


So, in total, you posted several different lies and misrepresentations. Plus, once again, you posted ZERO evidence of any wrong-doing whatsoever.

I have never mentioned any other services than "custom research":



My suggestion would be to be open with your prospective clients and actually provide this information BEFORE their place an order. Because otherwise it's like telling the client to read Terms and Conditions of a sale AFTER the monies is paid.


Err, this information is on the parent website only, not on ET website.

But you also asked to provide the evidence of : "intentional misrepresentation against consumers."

Err, once again:

1. ET hires its own writers, as proven by its "Employment" page;

2. ET openly uses an SNR-hosted ordering URL (which YOU posted);

3. ET's emails clearly outline the connection between the companies and explicitly state exactly how to easily contact each company.

OK, let's move to another point. Why does ET INTENTIONALLY hide their ownership information? I can now understand that being SNR affiliates they don't have to post SNR address on their website again, but what about the EssayTown.com domain itself? Hiding behind proxy or domain registration services is a PROVEN technique introduced the the biggest industry fraudsters. Why an American company would follow the example of the fraudsters?

Without the correct WHOIS information and with only the parent company's business address the website could be run by an individual located in any part of the world.

Verifiable proof: http://whois.domaintools.com/essaytown.com

(compare it to a legitimate WHOIS info: http://whois.domaintools.com/mattcutts.com

Stewy, you know perfectly well that I have already smashed this secondary smut of yours. Whois privacy is a perfectly legal, acceptable manner in which legitimate companies prevent their email address, phone number, and physical address from being abused by SPAMMERS, scrapers, bots, and harassers (case in point: YOU). Unless you can prove that the owners of ET are not American, and ET is not located in either New Jersey or California, you have ZERO argument.

A Ukrainian scam site like BestEssays.com, however, uses Whois privacy for the additional, explicit purpose of hiding its true location that directly contradicts the verifiably fake addresses in America that it advertises to consumers.

http://whois.domaintools.com/bestessays.com

In the interest of full disclosure (not an endorsement), I work for SNR, and have written essays for Essay Town customers. I don't know anything about ET's employment practices, except that they do refer at least some of their orders to SNR. Given that the customer would easily have an opportunity to opt out of an order after learning about this and before paying, I don;t see a problem with it--one reliable website passes work they can;t handle to another reliable company. referrals exist in almost every industry I can think of (attorneys, auto mechanics, cleaning companies, I even worked at an independent toy store and we would send customers to other specific locations--even calling ahead ourselves to ensure they had a certain product--when we didn't have what the customer was looking for. It's called customer service).

As far as the domain issue goes, I am a confirmed Internet idiot--I don;t know much about how websites work. But I did notice that essaytown.com was first registered in 2001 (still early days as far as a lot of commercial go), and my guess would be that it was cheaper and easier to set up a domain and website through such a service as fastdomain at the time, and that it has probably remained cheaper and easier to remain with that service. Given the layout/artwork on ET's website, which is incredibly dated, this interpretation seems very plausible to me--the owners don't seem interested in changing something that's been working for over eight years.

Good points.

P.S. My contract with SNR was faxed to and from a New Jersey phone number, and I received a 1099 form (self-employment) at the end of the year (much to my dismay). SNR is most definitely located in the US (or it follows US tax law for absolutely no reason), so my guess would be that essaytown is equally legitimate.

How can I or any customer know where ET owner is located? MILLIONS companies do not hide their WHOIS info ----> because they run legitimate businesses.

Besides, your argumentation makes no sense. Please tell me why a company would multiple times post their phone number or email address on their website and hide the same information on WHOIS info?? Maybe because these two pieces of information would not match? Or spammers, scrapers, bots, and harassers don't visit websites and only visit selected WHOIS info websites?


Now you don't follow your own rules:

1. Conjecture is not allowed.

2. Hearsay is not allowed.

You truly are outeded with your information.

In reality, it usually costs ADDITIONAL money to HIDE the WHOIS information and this is an intentional move. You either check on a box to hide the information or check on the box AND pay a yearly service fee to hide WHOIS information.

WRONG, simpleton. I, and others, have already posted technical evidence of Whois fraud on the part of your Ukrainian pals. I have the original names and Ukrainian addresses that they used BEFORE implementing their fake, "American" addresses (and slapping Whois privacy on TOP of that). I dare you to dare me to re-post the detailed proof in this thread. FYI, I have evidence dating back to early 2004. Think long and hard . . . .

But you cannot prove it, can you? It's just conjecture or hearsay.

Wrong. It's free with many of the most popular hosts. Plus, even if there is a fee, it's always negligible.

Any other lies that you would like me to crush this evening?

Is this outdated or outed? Either way, I already acknowledged that I know nothing of how the internet works, especially the business side of things. I simply offered a possible explanation of the issue you presented. Maybe the owners of the site decided it was more worthwhile to spend money on having someone else maintain the site than to do it themselves. That's why I have someone else change the oil in my car--it costs me thirty bucks, but I can make that in half-an-hour (on a good day). I couldn't even guess how long it would take me to change my own oil, but I'm betting that I'm making a cost effective decision.

Listen, crook, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that the company is fraudulent. Here, in the grand ol' U.S. of A., one is innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Are you the moderator of this forum? If you are simply a member like anyone else, please shut up and stop dictating this forum.. however if you are really the operator of this forum(which is 99.99% truth) you can set the rules.. secondly who will decide what is verifiable evidence? I hope verifiable evidence here means anything put forward by you and party is verifiable and anything produced by others is lie..

That is the whole game stu4 and that is what i am trying to show my friend pheelyks that you actually never know who you are transcating with and if you don't know this fact, you are simply ineffective in bringing forth any legal action against them...

Clear indication of your association with ET and SNR... And a clear reflection of your lies in earlier posts where you claim that you do not work for any company...

Again a clear indication of who owns and operates this forum and who are their hitmen here...

Have you noticed onething on this link? A company which openly claims to be serving only US and UK students and hire only native writers, is most visited by Indian and Pakistanis.. and most of them can be their writers too... so here is another proof of a verifiable lie that they are continousely posting on their site and tricking their customers... I can say with 1000% certainty that a custom essay writing site can not remain profitable for sustainable period of time unless it does not have on its list writers from Pakistan and India......

Another clear indication of WB's association......

Does that mean they can not commit fraud? If anyone here believes that Western companies are clean and honest, let me quote some examples here:
1. Medoff, Ponzi Scheme--- Biggest fraud of the history
2. Enron -
3. WorldCom
4. Northern Rock
5. USB of Switzerland
6. Lehman Brothers
7. AIG
8. Credit Suisse

If such large companies can easily commit frauds, The home businesses such as Essay Writing Services can easily get away with small frauds such as cheating their writers and customers for few bucks...

True....

Its the same everywhere in the world except this forum where Our great WB, investigates, argue and decide and prove others guilty all in one post... That also means WB is an investiagtor, a Lawyer and a Judge ( all roles are played at the same time)......

Clearly, I stand absolutely no chance of defeating it in a legitimate debate. I must silence it, for its reasoning, intellect, and evidence are far too strong.

Moderator, seriously, I think that the rules that I set for this thread put everyone on an even playing field, right? Can you please remove chacha's posts and prevent him from henceforth butchering EVERY THREAD with its nonsense?