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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 6, 09, 06:16PM
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Rorshach, you have already been told once that this is NOT the place to post status updates on your personal order with ANY particular company. That is NOT the purpose of this site. The moderator deleted your previous attempts for a reason. Stop making his/her job harder by ignoring forum rules related to publicity and/or promotion.
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Edited by: rorshach Dec 6, 09, 06:18PM
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so, this site is about what exactly then? if you cannot post about situations, scams, or other dilemmas essay "sites" pose? and how would not specific examples of case in point be pertinent? especially when the thread topic, inside of a forum entitled "esay writing services", is about "advice in an urgent situation"?!?!
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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 6, 09, 06:22PM
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rorshach: so, this site is about what exactly then?
The name of this site is essaySCAM.org. Do you know what a "scam" is? Posting your minute-by-minute updates regarding communications with a company's staff members has absolutely NOTHING to do with a scam. A scam does not exist unless the company takes your money without delivering a product (and refuses to provide a refund) or declines to correct a significant problem in the material that you receive.
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Edited by: rorshach Dec 6, 09, 06:32PM
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well, from the front page of essayscam.org:
"They also fail to inform their clients that the example papers they sell are often plagiarized, or won't be delivered on time. When the clients complain, these companies often threaten to sue their own clients!
Because they drape American or British flags as well as "independent certificates of quality" over their websites, and repeat words like "honesty" and "integrity," students or prospective employees are tricked into thinking they are legitimate and legal companies.
Having witnessed some of the outrageous, misleading, slandering, speculative, and humorous behaviors, we have created this website to entertain readers and give them a better idea about the essay writing industry, academic freelance writing issues, and running an online writing business. Please take all posted messages with a pinch of salt; don't believe anyone but yourself and your own writing and research skills!"
i'm sorry if its a problem for you somehow, but i would take that as an idea of one of the things able to be discussed here. for those of who have never had to use these sorts of services, we are looking to find someplace that can offer real feedback, and talk about areas of concern, or just find out as much as we can before we simply dole out huge sums of money to "online" entities...
i don't know about you, but i do not know anyone at essaytown.com, have no vested interest in them, so why does it seem to matter so much to you??? i am just trying to seek advice, and post my personal experiences in hopes they can help my situation, and others who might end up in it!
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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 6, 09, 07:05PM
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". . . members are prohibited from publishing or promoting any false, inaccurate, misleading, slandering, libelous, or inappropriate information on the site."
rorshach: we are looking to find someplace that can offer real feedback, and talk about areas of concern, or just find out as much as we can before we simply dole out huge sums of money to "online" entities...
You're twisting the purpose of this site to suit your personal interests. This site provides a forum through which DEFRAUDED customers of FRAUDULENT sites can relay their past experiences in order to protect others from experiencing the same outcome. You have no such experience.
Have you been defrauded? No. Has your money been stolen? No. Have you even asked for a refund? Apparently, no. Are you telling the entire story? I suspect not.
rorshach: so why does it seem to matter so much to you
I've been here for years, contributed greatly, and actually care about this forum—that's why.
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Edited by: rorshach Dec 6, 09, 08:31PM
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you know, i find it quite odd and rather intriguing that you find this of such a personal bothering nature, and that you suggest that you somehow care more about this web site more than i do about my investment...
the entire story is rather quite simply outlined in the timeframe put forth previously.
the only additional information that i was just made aware of by the company itself, AFTER that posting, was that i had sent three of those payment "specs" their way, instead of just two as the first was sent without a file i had decided to attach, and that the email address from the payment differed from the primary email address. these two factors are what contributed to they 48 hours delay, although the delay wasn't discovered until 24 hours AFTER my question if everything was alright on their end - for which i posted their response previously.
i do understand human error, and simple nuances that can lead to clerical errors resulting in such mistakes. i can and will overlook that. i am now however further pressed into a corner that i had turned to their services to render help in after careful consideration, and am hoping, as frustrating as it is, that they do their best to rectify the situation now that they are fully aware of it.
"we have created this website to entertain readers and give them a better idea about the essay writing industry, academic freelance writing issues, and running an online writing business. Please take all posted messages with a pinch of salt"
writersbeware, i find all of those bases being touched on here, and i might suggest that you pay particular attention to that last sentence offered on the front page of this web site.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 6, 09, 08:53PM
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rorshach: you somehow care more about this web site more than i do about my investment
You're darn right that I care more about this forum than your personal transaction, especially since you are knowingly breaking forum rules and posting inflammatory insinuations about long-time members. Plus, you have in no way been scammed. Your posts belittle the legitimate complaints of others.
Rorshach, I find it quite odd and rather intriguing that you have been here for 5 minutes, yet act as if you know the rules and understand the climate better than I do. You don't. Your interpretation of the rules is incorrect, something of which you have been made perfectly aware, yet you are still engaging in the unwelcome activity. Your personal experiment has no place here. You have not been defrauded or scammed—PERIOD.
I am now officially requesting that the mod delete all of your follow-ups to your original posts that were ALREADY DELETED (as if that weren't sufficient indication that your approach is not welcome here).
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Edited by: rorshach Dec 6, 09, 08:58PM
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WritersBeware: You have not been defrauded or scammed—PERIOD.
to that, i 110% agree! ;)
was it ever even suggested? nope, questions, advice, and frustration - that is all.
WritersBeware: posting inflammatory insinuations about long-time members
the conversation - to which there are BOUNTIFUL examples of here at this web sites forum that have absolutely NOTHING to do with being defrauded or scammed (have you read some of your own tit for tat with other "insiders" which have nothing to do with the aformentioned topics either?!?! i mean, seriously?!?!) - was in regards to "advice in an urgent situation"...
you seem to not tolerate certain parameters in others that you venture outside of yourself quite often, and seem to do so rather conveniently. i don't care if took me five minutes or five seconds to figure that out, "writersbeware".
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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 6, 09, 09:05PM
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rorshach: you seem to not tolerate certain parameters in others that you venture outside of for yourself quite often, and seem to do so rather conveniently. i don't care if took me five minutes or five seconds to figure that out, "writersbeware".
I've earned a longer leash. New members like you haven't.
Plus, my ultimate goal in any confrontation is ALWAYS in the best interests of this forum. Your posts about how a company did NOT scam you serve no purpose—that has not already been beaten to death—and will ultimately be interpreted as promotional in nature.
I will not waste any more time arguing with you. The moderator will handle the matter.
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Edited by: rorshach Dec 6, 09, 09:15PM
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WritersBeware: Please enlighten me, oh, wise one.
case in point.
besides, when you say:
WritersBeware: posting inflammatory insinuations about long-time members
i think that speaks volumes for itself and your interests, since i didn't know this was a corporately sponsored site, and had never referenced any forum members...
good to know, as i thought this was an independent site for information about servicers, not for servicers...
again, i still believe i made the right choice in the company i decided to go with, despite errors that have caused delay in an already frustrating situation. hopefully this opportunity will be taken positively and correct things in such a manner that avoids similar mistakes for any future customers of theirs, and end amicably and beneficially to both.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 6, 09, 09:22PM
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rorshach: [I] had never referenced any forum members
Short memory?
rorshach: i don't know about you, but i do not know anyone at essaytown.com, have no vested interest in them, so why does it seem to matter so much to you???
rorshach: you know, i find it quite odd and rather intriguing that you find this of such a personal bothering nature
Those are intentionally inflammatory insinuations. Don't play dumb, please. It's insulting to everyone here.
rorshach: not for servicers
NEWSFLASH: You are the one who is trying to PUBLICIZE a particular site, regardless of how you want to label what you are doing!
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Edited by: rorshach Dec 6, 09, 09:33PM
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WritersBeware: Don't play dumb, please. It's insulting to everyone here.
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just put your name into the search field at the top of the web site, as i (recently) did.
google is your friend, an amazing one too.
writersbeware, you are the one playing dumb, and you're only insulting yourself.
please stop the silliness, and if unknowledgeable customers (even potential) of service sites wander in here once in a while saying good, bad, or indifferent things, use your knowledge (and time) to help guide them and find resolve one way or another rather than run atop everyone that arrives here.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 6, 09, 09:38PM
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Clearly, you don't understand how I proved the irrational nature of your claims in my previous post. At least I know and/or acknowledge when I'm attacking someone.
Funny—I don't see you proving wrong any claims or evidence that I have posted in this forum. Trust me when I tell you that literally dozens have tried, and all have failed.
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Edited by: rorshach Dec 6, 09, 09:44PM
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WritersBeware: dozens have tried, and all have failed
since you - good, bad, or indifferent - seem to spend your life in here, maybe if you stopped playing games (referencing above quote) and saw that people were coming in here "off the street" with legitimate directional concerns, curiousities, and frustrations you could help them find positive resolve - just a thought.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 6, 09, 09:49PM
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rorshach: since you seem to spend your life in here
I get instant alerts whenever the forum changes. I'm sorry that technology has left you in the rear-view mirror.
rorshach: legitimate concerns and needs
Your personal, selfish "concerns" are not legitimate in relation to the rules and limitations of this forum. That is why the moderator deleted your original posts. Get it? End of story. Conduct yourself within the rules, and you'll have no problems.
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Dec 6, 09, 10:06PM
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WritersBeware: your personal, selfish "concerns" are not legitimate in relation to the rules and limitations of this forum.
ahhh, but we all act in our own self-interests, don't we "writersbeware"? enough so that this forum serves its purpose for you in that very nature, enough so to get "instant alerts" upon every change! :D
good day to you ms. - enjoy your playground! ;)
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Dec 7, 09, 12:13AM
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rorshach: ahhh, but we all act in our own self-interests, don't we "writersbeware"?
Have the guts to make a specific accusation, or shut the hell up.
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Edited by: Josh Dec 7, 09, 06:42AM
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WritersBeware
"Rorshach, you have already been told once that this is NOT the place to post status updates on your personal order with ANY particular company."
2. "A scam does not exist unless the company takes your money without delivering a product (and refuses to provide a refund) or declines to correct a significant problem in the material that you receive."
I thought all the complains of other essay companies were posted freely on the site to expose their rotten behavior..why ban complaints on essay town. I think we need to be impartial and fair to everyone..gagging people with insults and chest-thumping is nothing but fear.. Let all scams be exposed and discussed. Scams have been exposed because they lie not only on products and refund but also delays on payment and even masquerading ,so i think your comments are biased on a certain route.
Enjoy blogging
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Dec 7, 09, 10:37AM
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I agree with you Josh
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Dec 7, 09, 10:51AM
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Josh and Sue-
If you read the thread, you'll notice that rorshach even agrees that he was NOT scammed by ET. He ordered a product from a company, and the company informed him that they would not be able to deliver in the timeframe requested. Scam companies ALWAYS deliver, because they don't care how ****** their products are. That's the difference here--this site is for exposing scams, not less than optimal customer experiences.
I often use cars as an analogue, and they work well in this situation, too: Rorshach went to a mechanic and said "I want my car fixed in two days." The mechanic said, "I'll see what I can do," and called Rorshach back a day and a half later telling him he'd been unable to fix the car--too much work existed before Rorshach brought his car in. A scam company would have charged Rorshach and told him to come pick up the car, and Rorshach would have spent the next week taking the car back to the same mechanic to ACTUALLY get fixed before becoming fed up and taking the car to a more reputable dealer that took longer.
This industry works more like mechanics and less like McDonald's. You can't simply order any essay you want with any deadline and be guaranteed a product--this is the busy season, and writers and admin all have more work than they can handle. Admitting this is not a scam, but rather a business reality. This is why Rorshach's comments are out of place.
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Edited by: rorshach Dec 7, 09, 10:17PM
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first i would like to say that shortly after the 48hr mark had passed (both the time frame requested and paid for, as well as the deadline neccessary for the research in and of itself) i had requested a refund, and received it.
second, the distraction made here and somehow within said company by writersbeware felt akward and unprofessional. helpful, knowledgeable, friendly, advice - which is what people do come here for as well as to report on "scams", regardless of whether its an unintended consequence of the sites existence or not - would have sufficed to us "non-insider" layman.
third, although there was a little more to it pheelyks, i believe you made a great analogy in a very respectful manner. truly appreciated.
long story short, somehow the aforementioned mishaps led to the research order not getting processed until just a few hours prior to deadline, and by that point there was no writer available to handle the order.
pheelyks is 110% correct this is not a "scam", its a frustrating disappoinment and valuable lesson learned at my expense for any future potential customers in a bind to carefully consider prior to selecting any research/writing company - you can never ask too many questions for clarification upfront, during the process, and in the end you are still ultimately responsible if the ball gets dropped by even a "reputable" company...
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Edited by: WritersBeware Dec 8, 09, 12:16AM
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rorshach: second, the distraction made here and somehow within said company by writersbeware felt akward and unprofessional.
WritersBeware: Have the guts to make a specific accusation, or shut the hell up.
Every word that I typed is 100% accurate and true—the end.
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Jan 6, 10, 07:19AM
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NO out of 4000+ posts, you only criticized websites except essaytown.com just because its your website..
isnt it great idea, criticize all websites without any proof and save one website so that it can get promoted..
Now I know you will talk nonsense to me.. and will ask what proof I have.. I have no proof but your illogical language shows it .. you talks insane about others..too bad of you..
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Exactly. So shut up.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jan 6, 10, 12:18PM
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anky: isnt it great idea, criticize all websites without any proof
I have nothing but proof, actually. Unlike the mouth-breathing, cave-dwelling, desert-skipping orangutans that constantly attack me for doing so, I actually post my evidence.
Gee, anky had me totally fooled after its first post. I totally believed that it is a "customer." I had absolutely no idea whatsoever that it was a crooked fraudster that works for fraudulent sites.
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Jan 6, 10, 12:50PM
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WritersBeware: ee, anky had me totally fooled after its first post. I totally believed that it is a "customer.
I told you I am an writer and looking for essay companies.
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anky: I told you I am an writer and looking for essay companies.
Your ESL is passable for conversation and maybe even in a business environment, but not for professional writing.
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Jan 15, 10, 09:16AM
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I'm sorry to hear about your current situation. Your best bet would be to read the 'scam" posts about some of the companies and research individual academic writers as well. Good luck!
-Nichole
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