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Quoting: EW_writer this is essayscam.org., you're supposed to hate ANYONE who says "I work for so and so non-U.S. writing site and get paid" >.<
If you're indeed getting fat paychecks, it's not because of your claim that you are a simple writer who doesn't even know the nationalities of your bosses. Your claim for paycheck is dependent on your efficacy at trying to turn around the terrible image of your Essaywriters.net in this forum, rep.
I wonder what's more cost-efficient, paying for your rep services or not scamming the writers. I guess it's the former, but how long before the sites fold up....
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Sep 8, 07, 01:13PM
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Quoting: EW_writer ESL writers can stand up for themselves to put overbearing, insufferable racists in their proper place as what you've seen happened here with lanchaw bin.
Really? Is that what happened? Perhaps, in your dream world?
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Sep 8, 07, 01:18PM
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Quoting: pious I wonder what's more cost-efficient, paying for your rep services or not scamming the writers.
Actually, you need to factor in the thousands of cheated customers every year, too.
It's far more "cost-friendly" for EssayWriters.net to pay spin doctors like EW_writer than it is to stop defrauding ten of thousands of customers and writers every year.
Don't hold your breath waiting for the blatant lies on Bestessays.com, Superiorpapers.com, DissertationsExperts.com, RushEssays.com, BestTermPaper.com, and UniversalResearch.net to change.
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Sep 9, 07, 10:25AM
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WritersBeware,
I am not in support of essay companies that rip customers or writers off their money. On the other hand I am not in support of people who write against ESL writers. I don't think you must be a native speaker to write a good essay. I am not from the US, UK, Australia or Newzealand. I am from Africa and English is the official langauage in my country. I have carried out my entire education in the English language, so what is the difference between me and a native speaker? I work for 3 essay companies both in the US and UK and I have often received bonuses for writing good papers for clients in the US and UK. So saying that non-native speakers cannot produce quality papers sounds irritating to me. I am a Business Graduate, I wonder if a native speaker who studied Geography can produce a higher quality paper on a marketing or Accounting topic than I would do. However, the essay companies too should not tell lies concerning the location of their writers.
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Edited by: Fae77 Sep 9, 07, 10:47AM
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Writer's beware is not racist or the bad guy. He pointed out some lies and schemes and scamming ******** that the company did.
Everything EW is saying is simply an attack on WB's character, which is a logical fallacy and wouldn't hold up piss water in court.
The difference is, poster above me, that you are a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKING NATION. IT IS YOUR NATIONAL LANGUAGE.
Therefore, you are probably a lot better than someone who grew up speaking a different language.
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Edited by: Unbeliever_Paradox Sep 9, 07, 06:25PM
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Okay, I realize that WritersBeware is not the bad guy here. However, he shouldn't have generalized all ESL writers as frauds. I am a Filipino Web Content Writer. Here's how the system works:
1) I see an advertisement for someone hiring writers. The potential wages are far above what even your average government employee here makes. So naturally, I apply.
2) I go through rigorous screening procedures wherein I have to prove that I can:
a) Write with grammatically perfect English
b) Write creatively while being constrained to using some keywords repeatedly
c) Write quickly with a deadline in mind
3) My articles have to be approved by the client or I don't get paid. If too many clients return their articles I get fired for jeopardizing the business.
These clients are fully aware that their business partners are non-Americans. There's no fraud in any form. Payments are sent to the office's bank account (Philippine-based) and then diverted to me, with the agent taking a little off the top, of course.
If the client is happy, he or she will order more articles.
Filipino is my national language. I also speak two different dialects. However, I am pretty competent in using the English Language. I admit that I may be no Yeats, but I can hold my own.
All I am asking is that you try to understand that the writers are not at fault here. I was offered a great opportunity and I took it. Just like any of you would had you been given the chance to work for 2-3 hours a day and still earn more in a week than what your parents make in a month.
Some of us are also pissed off at people who commit fraud. Just this past week, I was commissioned by a client to write 6 thousand pesos worth of articles (about 120$). I really needed that since I was counting on it to pay my rent. He ran out on me.
In the end, it's not about whether you are a native english speaker or not -it's about whether your work stands the test of time. I have been working in this business for a year now, with my clients fully aware of my nationality. That should say something about my work quality.
I just hope this clears things up a bit.
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Edited by: Unbeliever_Paradox Sep 9, 07, 06:35PM
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Oh yeah, and someone posted this thread on the Filipino Penster Community and that's how I found it. If you think that Non-native speakers are no-good at writing with this language, then maybe you should check out our site. It has a lot of filipino content but there are also some English submissions.
Here's something for you to chew on:
http://penster.fyi.ph/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1863
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Sep 9, 07, 07:10PM
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Quoting: Unbeliever_Paradox Okay, I realize that WritersBeware is not the bad guy here. However, he shouldn't have generalized all ESL writers as frauds.
Can you please quote for me the exact statements that you believe justify your claim?
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 9, 07, 07:15PM
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Quoting: Unbeliever_Paradox I have been working in this business for a year now, with my clients fully aware of my nationality. That should say something about my work quality.
Why is it that ESL writers who have mastered the English language are the ones who take offense to my position against unqualified, ESL writers who are incapable of writing a coherent sentence in the English language, yet misrepresent themselves online as "professional, native English-speaking writers with PhD degrees from American universities"?
As an American, I have no problem admitting that there are THOUSANDS of worthless, American scumbags who engage in misrepresentation and online fraud. Does that make me an "anti-American" American?
None of the unqualified, ESL frauds attempt to refute me because they know that I am 100% correct.
By the way, please don't hit me with the "I'm just an innocent writer" routine. That's an old, tired excuse. You know right from wrong, don't you?
When an ESL writer finds out that the EssayWriters.net scumbags from Ukraine are misrepresenting his/her education, skills, location, and experience to the American public, that ESL writer has the professional and moral duty to either quit or demand appropriate edits to the BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com Web sites.
If the ESL writer continues to work for the EssayWriters.net scumbags, even after becoming aware of EssayWriters.net's fraudulent practices, then that ESL writer is a co-conspirator who is equally guilty of all associated crimes.
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Sep 9, 07, 07:20PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware I ask again, with no desire to read another side-stepping answer: is the average, ESL writer who works for EW as qualified as me or Lavinia to write--professionally--in the English language? What percentage of EW's ESL writers from Pakistan, India, Philippines, etc. are equally or more qualified than either me or Lavinia |
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Sep 9, 07, 07:25PM
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So all ESL writers are the average ESL writer?
Come on people, you are supposed to freaking be academic.
And I don't even really like WB, I think he's kind of a snob myself, but at least I know the difference between a logical argument and just attacking character.
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Sep 9, 07, 07:30PM
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I'm a "snob" now? Why? If proving my points and uncovering fraud makes me a "snob," then bring me some tea and crumpets, dammit!
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Edited by: Unbeliever_Paradox Sep 9, 07, 07:35PM
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I think that was the statement. I like to consider myself as the average ESL writer, although I do not work for EW. Now that I read it with a cool head, however, I realize that I may have been mistaken and I do apologize.
Errr, can anyone help me get published so I can get out if this gig? That's all I am waiting for. No serious writer likes to ghostwrite, you know.
I just quit working for someone who asked me to reword a whole e-book( I will not bloody plagiarize!!!). I'm beginning to become an "anti-filipino" filipino, too.
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Sep 9, 07, 07:36PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware If proving my points and uncovering fraud makes me a "snob," then bring me some tea and crumpets, dammit!
lol, that was funny.
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Sep 9, 07, 07:39PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware I'm a "snob" now? Why? If proving my points and uncovering fraud makes me a "snob," then bring me some tea and crumpets, dammit!
ahahaha...
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Edited by: Fae77 Sep 12, 07, 12:43PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware I'm a "snob" now? Why? If proving my points and uncovering fraud makes me a "snob," then bring me some tea and crumpets, dammit!
You just come off as a guy who could use a really good enema. And, just for the record since you obviously misread my post, I am agreeing with you. Just because I don't care for your demeanor doesn't mean I would disagree with you.
And no, what makes you a snob to me is the continuous way you subtlety put others down, myself included. Your first post to me was rude, so was your second, and your third.
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Sep 12, 07, 01:02PM
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Quoting: Fae77 You just come off as a guy who could use a really good enema.
First of all, I'm a woman.
Secondly, I'm not clogged.
Thirdly, I don't post here with the goal of making "pen pals."
Lastly, if you take facts and truths as "put downs," that your problem, not mine.
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Sep 15, 07, 12:49AM
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Writersbeware
I dont know you and have never had any conversation with you but having read your posts I find you to be rude and ignorant. every post of yours is on the offensive and aimed at attacking others. you come across as arrogant and self opinionated and seem to have a chip on your shoulder against anyone that is not from america. you also have a very high opinion of yourself as far as your writing ability is concerned. If your essays are of such a high standard why arent you a published writer??
I mark university essays alongside several other professors I work with. I challenge you to email me one of your essays for marking by one of my colleagues to see if you can put your money were your mouth is.
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Sep 15, 07, 01:57AM
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1. You don't like me? Get in line. You're just another in a long line of misinformed, confused apologists for dishonest and criminal behavior.
2. You "mark" university essays? Well, considering the grand assortment of grammatical blunders throughout your post, that's a disturbing thought for students, parents, and administrators.
3. Please quote for me a single post in which I belittle anyone simply for not being American. I belittle crooks of every color, creed, and national origin.
4. If you were to take the time to dislodge your skull from your rectum and do a little research before publicly proving your ignorance, you would have come across the posts in which I address my published works. (Do you also issue grades based on false assumption?)
5. You want a challenge? I now have 418 posts here. I challenge YOU to find a single grammatical error in ANY of them.
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Sep 15, 07, 10:17AM
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Quoting: WritersBeware Following is a conversatio, from earlier today, that I had with who appears to be the Filipino owner of the scam operation. I fooled him into admitting virtually all of his fraudulent activities. He is "Operator," and I am "visitor."
And you say my writing contains grammatical errors. Seems you have missed a word out and cannot spell conversation and obviously have a hang up about Filipino's. Before you start accusing me of being Filipino may I point out that I am British. Unlike you I am quite prepared to accept that nationality has very little to do with ones ability to be able to write good essays or bad ones.
I have yet to see any reference to any published work of yours and would gladly send you my published disertation if you would like to see how a good essay should be written. You could maybe find someone to read it to you to explain any of the difficult words!!
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Sep 15, 07, 01:31PM
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THAT'S your pathetic attempt to show that my writing skills are poor--an obvious typo? LMAO!
Is it my fault that the CROOKS from this particular Web site are Filipinos from the Philippines who use FAKE addresses in America? Did I force them to con the American public? I simply communicate the facts! Wake up, apologist!
Funny--you haven't tried refuting my evidence about the Filipino CROOKS. Instead, like other dolts, you cluelessly attempt to accuse me of racism simply because I state their TRUE nationality and TRUE location. julie24963, congratulations on being an apologist idiot of the first order!
By the way, you still can't type a decent paragraph. You have no business grading students' work.
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Sep 15, 07, 02:08PM
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WB doesn't need me to defend her so i won't do that.
while i do understand that her abrasive style may rub some the wrong way, i seriously think that some of you have screwed up priorities. you'll post to criticize WB for being rude but you stay silent when crooks post defending their unethical business practices? eh? she's bagging on frauds and you think she should be nicer? come on...
boards like this benefit from having enforcer, no-nonsense types. the good of her posts outweigh the bad.
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Edited by: Fae77 Sep 15, 07, 02:22PM
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Look, all I am saying is that I don't like WB's demeanor. That doesn't mean that I disagree with anything she has to say (btw, didn't know you were a girl), as a matter of fact, having worked with essay writers all over the world, I tend to agree that non-English writers do not have the English language skills to present papers properly, this does not mean that they do not write in English, they just don't do it well compared to US, UK and Australian writers.
I've cleaned up enough messes from non-Native English speakers to know this for a fact.
I wouldn't try to write a paper in Spanish, even though I speak it.
Quoting: pissed I be from India, but I saw you making fun of writers from our country also in other thread. Let me ask, if you think Mr. Unbeliever_Paradox is competent writer, what about what you say about you being better than all ESL writers? Are you sure that Mr. Paradox is at most equal to you but not better than you? Just wanna know.
This is an exact example of mine and WB's and Latvina's point in the other thread.
I be from India?
Good English speakers write it as:
I AM from India.
This is something I have had to edit from writers who are, especially, from the mid East regions. This does not mean ALL non-Native English writers are this poor in their English language skills, but the majority are, and not for lack of intelligence, it is a difference between understanding the language and writing the language.
Latvina (I believe you are a non-Native English speaker, I think, anyways) and a few others I have come across actually understand the language because they have worked very hard to do so.
It does not make myself or WB or Latvina racists because we notice a difference between ability to write and understand a language to the ability to speak a language.
When I need a paper written in Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilocano, Hiligaynon, Waray-Waray, Kapampangan, Bikol, Pangasinan. Kinaray-a, Maranao, Maguindanao and Tausug., I will contact a Philllipino writer.
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Sep 15, 07, 03:29PM
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Quoting: Fae77 This does not mean ALL non-Native English writers are this poor in their English language skills, but the majority are, and not for lack of intelligence, it is a difference between understanding the language and writing the language.
Exactly.
I want to clarify, yet again, that I have no problem at all with ESL writers. My problem is with ESL writers who lie, cheat, and steal.
I took Spanish courses for five years. Never, in a million years, would I purposely and strategically defraud Spanish consumers by claiming that I am a "native Spanish-speaking" writer who understands all of the nuances of Spanish language and culture. That would be FRAUD. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand?
I plan on taking the time to start a thread that clearly outlines all of my positions regarding ESL writers. That way, I can simply refer all of the race-baiters to that thread instead of having to defend myself from such ignorant apologists over, and over, and over again.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 15, 07, 03:44PM
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Quoting: Lavinia while i do understand that her abrasive style may rub some the wrong way, i seriously think that some of you have screwed up priorities.
Over the years, I have learned that only direct, no-nonsense statements (supported by factual evidence) can truly defeat fraudulent outfits.
I find that too many people waste so much time and energy worrying about being "polite" or "politically correct" that they lose focus on the task at hand. I will never do so. I call 'em like I see 'em.
NOTICE: If you are a Filipino con-artist from the Philippines, I am going to refer to you as "a Filipino con-artist from the Philippines" in order to provide the public with as much information as possible. I sincerely apologize if facts offend certain people. I apply the exact same rules to con-artists from Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brazzaville, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, The, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Korea, North, Korea, South, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Federated States of Micronesia, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Timor Timur, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Venezuela, Vietnam, Western Sahara, Yemen, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
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Edited by: Lavinia Sep 15, 07, 05:29PM
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Quoting: Fae77 Latvina (I believe you are a non-Native English speaker, I think, anyways) and a few others I have come across actually understand the language because they have worked very hard to do so.
do you mean me? if so, i guess i should respond to clarify that i am a native speaker, born in sweet home chicago (go white sox!). i read French and i'm currently learning German, but neither with great proficiency. Fae, you seem like a sweet person from your posts. i hope you have been having better luck with writing companies.
WB- you missed Puerto Rico?!?! Do you treat Puerto Ricans differently?!?!?! Don't even TRY to cover up by saying Puerto Rico isn't a country!!!
debunking the myth of being educated American writers necessarily leads to discussing the true nation of origin of these frauds. the racism charges are just trumped up ad homs. if you became nicer, this board would be boring.
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Sep 15, 07, 07:55PM
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Quoting: Lavinia WB- you missed Puerto Rico?!?! Do you treat Puerto Ricans differently?!?!?! Don't even TRY to cover up by saying Puerto Rico isn't a country!!!
I believe that Puerto Ricans should be able to commit fraud at will. I love Puerto Ricans! Long-live Puerto Rican fraud! ;)
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Sep 15, 07, 08:12PM
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lol
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I am not an apologist as you put it I merely was pointing out that I find you rude and offensive. There are many ways in which your point could be put across but diplomacy is obviously not in your vocabulary.
You challenged me to find errors in your posts which is why I pointed out your typing errors and you constantly criticise the paragraphs I have written without specifically pointing out those parts you deem to be erroneous.
I think you will find that grammar used in the US is significantly different to other countries and there are a lot of colloquial phrases used in every country around the world. Just because my writing style does not match your American standards it does not mean that my writing is grammatically incorrect.
The essays I mark are for English University students, in particular Birmingham University whom I am employed by. I have a PHD in law and am a qualified barrister as well as lecturing in law to Open University students.
I understand your gripe about some of the essay sites purporting to employ only native American writers and using non english speaking writers and I would agree that this is fraudulent. My objection is to the way in which you chose to launch an attack on anyone that does not share your views and the diaboloical way you resort to personal insults to get your point across. Could you explain why you feel the need to belittle people in this way or is it just a way of drawing attention to yourself because you are largely ignored if you do not attack people in this manner?
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Sep 16, 07, 03:40PM
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Quoting: julie24963 I am not an apologist as you put it I merely was pointing out that I find you rude and offensive.
Nobody cares about your personal vendetta against me. Grow up, and get over it! You agree with my points, yet you waste EVERYONE'S time by posting off-topic, personal gripes against me.
Is calling attention to a missed KEYSTROKE in one word ("conversatio[n]") the best you can do? Pathetic. The fact htat you even bothered to mention such a non-factor proves your childish, amateur status.
The grammatical errors in your posts have absolutely nothing to do with differences between British and American English. Nice try, though.
Do you REALLY want me to point out all of the errors in your posts? I can do it line-by-line, if you'd like.
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Sep 16, 07, 04:37PM
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Please do that would be so enlightening!! Yet again you have to resort to being impolite. Maybe you are just a totally disagreeable person!
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I provide BLUNT, to-the-point facts. If you don' like that, tough cookies. I don't post to make friends. I post to protect American consumers from fraud.
Take your personal attacks elsewhere.
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Edited by: julie24963 Sep 16, 07, 11:47PM
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I am not making a personal attack, I was merely addressing the issue of your rudeness to others and challenging whether this rudeness is really necessary just to get your point across! I abhor rudeness and have brought my children up to be respectful to others regardless of any personal issues they may have with other people. Is it too much to ask that you refrain from the unnecessary insults against people just because they don't agree with you?
Kindness and politeness costs nothing. If you want respect from others for the posts you make you have to earn respect. You are not going to get respect from others unless you can give them the same respect. I am not asking you to accept the dishonest behaviour of a minor few, but would like to think that you are educated enough to work out that most people that post on here are just employees of these companies and not the villains you make them out to be. It should be the owners of the companies that you aim your anger at and not the individuals employed by them who are just trying to make some extra money to make their lives better.
The companies who employ the writers send out the essays to the writers, regardless of whether that writer is qualified to write the type of essay requested. I have frequently been asked to write essays which are totally off subject, and because of my integrity I refuse, rather than attempt the essay and give someone a sub standard piece of work. Unfortunately other writers might feel that they are capable, since the company would not have sent them the piece of work if they did not have confidence in their ability. I have frequently corrected the work of such writers when the customer has asked for the essay to be rewritten, but this is still a fault of the company rather than the writer as they are being asked to write things that are beyond their capabilities.
I am still waiting for your line by line analysis of my grammatical errors. I would hate to think that my grammar would be sub standard when I start essay marking again at the end of this month, though I have never had any complaints in the last 10 years that I have been studying and working in this line of work.
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Edited by: Lavinia Sep 17, 07, 12:26AM
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julie, your posts are unnecessary, condescending and rude. you're guilty of exactly the same things that you accuse WB of.
this is a messageboard devoted to the discussion of the fraudulent behavior of some essay providers. WB does that in spades. I have yet to see a single positive or constructive post by you on this forum. your latest post clearly identifies you as an apologist as you excuse the dishonest behavior of some writers who are "just trying to make some extra money to make their lives better."
really, that is just poor. WB may be an easy target for the courtesy police, but so what? to act as if individual criminals and unethical persons are entitled to polite behavior effectively undermines civility and class.
criticizing with no alternative is easy. How about this: if WB makes nice, will you devote the time that WB does to identifying fraudulent companies? Will you step up and call criminals out when they attempt to defend their behavior?
waiting for your answer. or will you just ignore this post like you did my last one?
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 17, 07, 01:46AM
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Quoting: julie24963 It should be the owners of the companies that you aim your anger at and not the individuals employed by them who are just trying to make some extra money to make their lives better.
So, you believe it is acceptable for someone to take a job in which he/she is fully aware that his/her work defrauds countless customers, as long as the dirty money that he/she makes from engaging in such crime-by-extension makes his/her "life better"?
Quoting: julie24963 most people that post on here are just employees of these companies and not the villains you make them out to be.
What was I thinking? You're no apologist. (Wink, wink.)
Anyone who knowingly works for a criminal organization is also a criminal. Guilt by association, my friend.
Quoting: julie24963 You are not going to get respect from others unless you can give them the same respect.
I believe that all morally sound people--with a proper sense of what's right or wrong--respect my work. I do not need or want respect from criminals and apologists.
Quoting: julie24963 I am still waiting for your line by line analysis of my grammatical errors.
I have decided against doing so, as my desire to not help an apologist slightly outweighs my desire to embarrass one.
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Sep 17, 07, 03:04AM
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Quoting: Lavinia julie, your posts are unnecessary, condescending and rude
Please enlighten me as to when I was rude. I do not believe I have resorted to any personal attack on WB and as for condescending I am merely highlighting that I find WB abrasive and rude, how is that condescending.
Quoting: Lavinia if WB makes nice, will you devote the time that WB does to identifying fraudulent companies? Will you step up and call criminals out when they attempt to defend their behavior?
I do not pretend to be able to identify fraudulent companies and am also prepared to accept that some of the writers who work for these companies might not be aware that the company they work for is passing themselves off as based in the US. As one who has never bothered to delve into the location of these essay writing companies I would not have any reason to not believe thweir claims in respect of location and therefore would not consider that their claims to be in the US were not bona fide.
Quoting: WritersBeware Anyone who knowingly works for a criminal organization is also a criminal. Guilt by association, my friend.
'Knowingly' would appear to be the key word here. Unless people bother to check the validity of the claims made by these companies they would not necessarily know that the company is not located where they claim to be.
Quoting: WritersBeware I have decided against doing so, as my desire to not help an apologist slightly outweighs my desire to embarrass one.
I thought you thrived on proving your point. Your failure to prove your point in this matter demonstrates to me that you are unable to prove your allegation
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 17, 07, 01:53PM
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Your first post:
Quoting: julie24963 I don[missing apostrophe]t know you [missing comma or beginning em dash] and have never had any conversation with you [missing comma or closing em dash] but having read your posts [missing comma] I find you to be rude and ignorant. every post of yours is on the offensive and aimed at attacking others. you come across as arrogant and self[missing hyphen]opinionated[missing comma] and seem to have a chip on your shoulder against anyone that [correct: "who"] is not from america. you also have a very high opinion of yourself [missing comma] as far as your writing ability is concerned. If your essays are of such a high standard [missing comma] why aren[missing apostrophe]t you a published writer?? I mark university essays alongside several other professors I work with [ended sentence with a proposition; correct, prepositional phrase: "with whom I work"]. I challenge you to email me one of your essays for marking by one of my colleagues to see if you can put your money were your mouth is [ended sentence with "is"; "is" what--smelly, orange, sewn shut, hairy, dancing?].
Your following posts are similarly flawed.
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Sep 17, 07, 03:18PM
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Quoting: julie24963 I thought you thrived on proving your point. Your failure to prove your point in this matter demonstrates to me that you are unable to prove your allegation
So, how does your foot taste?
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Sep 17, 07, 03:38PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware So, how does your foot taste?
Is that the best that you can come up with, that I did not insert commas in my post? When writing on forums such as this, I have neither the inclination nor the desire to bother about the use of commas or apostrophes since it is hardly going to be submitted as a piece of written work to be marked by professors.
Quoting: WritersBeware challenge you to email me one of your essays for marking by one of my colleagues to see if you can put your money were your mouth is
This is a colloquialism that is used in conversational English and would not be likely to be used in an essay. The phrase 'put your money where your mouth is' is used to challenge someone to prove their assertion, and is used widely in conversational English. I was not for one minute suggesting that this would be used in an essay. I would have thought you had the intelligence to understand this. Just as you used the phrase Quoting: WritersBeware I call 'em like I see 'em.
Whilst we are on this point when as Quoting: WritersBeware LMAO!
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone :)
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Edited by: WritersBeware Sep 17, 07, 06:43PM
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You attacked me without provocation. You announced your expertise in "marking students' papers. You have proven to be irrational and unfocused. Case closed.
Your argument is utterly invalid, as you did not enclose the phrase in parentheses.
Why do you not address all of the other blatant errors? Here is the list:
* missing apostrophes
* missing commas
* missing hyphen
* incorrect capitalization
* "that" incorrectly in place of "who"
* incorrectly ending a sentence with a proposition, instead of using a prepositional phrase
Plus, as I stated, your other posts are similarly flawed. I will not waste my time outlining all of the errors in your subsequent posts.
You have shown zero credibility, neither in professional writing techniques nor in proving your defamatory accusations.
You can make whatever bullsh*t excuses that you like as to why your posts contain so many errors. You challenged me, and you lost. Pack your bags. You have nothing to contribute to this forum, except demonstrating how to make a fool of oneself.
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