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Can a non-native English writer be an excellent academic writer?


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chacha421   Jun 25, 09, 05:38AM | #41
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OxbridgeResearchers:
you do is accuse everyone here of being dishonest scammers

Are you sure others including you and your friends don't do this?
OxbridgeResearchers Edited by: OxbridgeResearchers   Jul 6, 09, 11:40AM | #42
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chacha421:
Are you sure others including you and your friends don't do this?

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undertow2   Jul 6, 09, 03:53PM | #43
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Of course it's possible, but it's obviously harder to write an academic language in a 'foreign' language than in your native tongue. A British-born writer would face equal problems if he tried to sell his services as a writer of academic essays in, for example, Finnish.
OxbridgeResearchers   Jul 6, 09, 04:07PM | #44
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undertow2:
Of course it's possible, but it's obviously harder to write an academic language in a 'foreign' language

Right, with the reason being that a person is, quite naturally, immersed in his/her first language, culturally, academically, etc etc. Think of it this way ... you learnt all about the world around you through your native language; you grew up and matured through that language ... your native language is part and parcel of who you are and, to a large degree, you define yourself through it. Certainly, there are some excellent ESL writers (so am not putting any down here and have openly stated that we do take on ESL writers) and am not denying that at all. For the majority, however, it is pretty tough and, more often than not, they do not attain the level of proficiency particular to native speakers.
rustyironchains   Jul 6, 09, 09:37PM | #45
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written and spoken English are inherently different. if a good ESL writer is well trained enough in prescriptive grammar, odds are that they will actually write as good or better than a native speaker.
EW_writer   Jul 6, 09, 10:15PM | #46
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OxbridgeResearchers:
Right, with the reason being that a person is, quite naturally, immersed in his/her first language, culturally, academically, etc etc. Think of it this way ... you learnt all about the world around you through your native language; you grew up and matured through that language

Correct, which is why I owe my success to saturday morning cartoons, cheap Marvel Comics back issues, and threadbare paperbacks of Arthurian tales.
WritersBeware   Jul 6, 09, 10:30PM | #47
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rustyironchains:
if a good ESL writer is well trained enough in prescriptive grammar, odds are that they will actually write as good or better than a native speaker.

Right. I don't think that anyone contests that fact. The problem is that the vast majority of ESL writers in the "essay industry" do not possess such qualifications.
EW_writer   Jul 6, 09, 11:11PM | #48
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So what do you think should the minority of ESL writers who do possess the necessary qualifications do? Should we move to the U.S. and sign up with "legit" companies? :P
OxbridgeResearchers   Jul 7, 09, 03:26AM | #49
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EW_writer:
cheap Marvel Comics back issues, and threadbare paperbacks of Arthurian tales.

believe it or not, but I agree :)
undertow2   Jul 8, 09, 02:09PM | #50
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Short answer: Yes.
ten_upon_ten   Sep 3, 10, 10:14AM | #51
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Oxbridge whatever happened to your posting # 37? ;)
Rob Peterson   Sep 10, 10, 04:39PM | #52
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I am freelance writer and i offer services at $8 per page.

Customers can pay after receiving their papers.
WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware   Sep 10, 10, 04:42PM | #53
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Rob Peterson:
I am freelance writer and i offer services at $8 per page.

Customers can pay after receiving their papers.

What is it—$8 or $9? Make up your mind.

You may not SPAM here.


Rob Peterson:
I think we should go for a individual freelance writers. I do not know of any but i am finding one

You are also a lying piece of trash.


Rob Peterson:
I am freelance writer

You is freelance idiot.
WRT Company Representative   Sep 10, 10, 05:08PM | #54
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Rob Peterson:
hassam.shahab

Why are you calling yourself Rob Peterson?
Rob Peterson   Sep 10, 10, 11:46PM | #55
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Sorry didn't know that.
fach   Sep 20, 10, 10:19AM | #56

undertow2:


Of course it's possible, but it's obviously harder to write an academic language in a 'foreign' language than in your native tongue. A British-born writer would face equal problems if he tried to sell his services as a writer of academic essays in, for example, Finnish.

mother tongue by amy tam explain really good the issue for us not english-born people.
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