HOW CAN WRITERS BEAT THESE FAKE COMPANIES

there is a mixture of truth and lies here that requires it all to be taken with a grain of salt

right-- companies provide a website, customer service, advertising, etc.

there are plenty of companies with more administrative overhead than that, which can still somehow afford perks and substantive benefits for their valuable full-time workers.

mention employee benefits to an essay mill owner, and watch them squirm! watch how broke they suddenly become.

writers-- they're not going to give you what you're worth unless you make them. otherwise, it's going to be excuse after excuse. and you can't make them, alone.

Batul, f*ck you and die, you piece of Indian sh*t.

you're in management, right?

company owners: 2% of the work, more than 50% of the profit

writers: 98% of the work, less than 50% of the profit

there are countless organizations out there which can afford to pay full-time staff, meet their overhead, and provide benefits. what's wrong with the essay mill industry? why are the owners so poor? are they? or is it just that they're holding all of the cards, and keeping their writers isolated and powerless?

WritersBeware: you appear to be using this forum as some sort of release valve for your frustrations with South Asian people

your statements are dangerous.

The fact that you don't have the slightest clue about American labor law PROVES my point as to why your statements are dangerous

there are plenty of companies with more administrative overhead than that, which can still somehow afford perks and substantive benefits for their valuable full-time workers.

more insults and excuses...

Centralpark is editor75.

YOU IDIOT

GO AWAY

I have been defending you from what I view as misrepresentations. You have done nothing but alienate one of your allies. Good work.

I'm at the point where I sometimes get more work thrown my way than I want so maybe I can afford to be a little more picky about things on my end. Believe it or not, if given the choice, I'd rather spend a half hour writing a paper than answer emails for half that time. I don't really know "why" but by all means, post a few thousand more words in response to that. Maybe when you find yourself getting as much work as I do and writing constantly you'll have less patience for certain things too. Then again, maybe you'll never have that problem.

somewriter:
there is a mixture of truth and lies here that requires it all to be taken with a grain of salt

Wrong. I challenge anyone to prove incorrect any claim that I have ever made about any site or company.

I too am "at the point where I sometimes get more work thrown my way than I want." I think it's funny how you assume you get more work than I do. Maybe I'm the one who gets more work and when you find yourself getting as much work as I do you'll appreciate making money for the easier, less time consuming aspects of the business.

I don't see why you're disagreeing with me when you've made the same point yourself.

Even if everything a particular person ever posted here is true, that does not change the fact that the mixture of truth and lies found here makes the situation such that someone viewing the boards should take it allwith a grain of salt so to speak. The point is that since there are truths and falsehoods to be found here, we have to be careful and shouldn't take anything here at face value . I don't see why you're disagreeing with me when you've made the same point yourself.

Before, I only assumed that you don't get very much work; now, I'm certain of it. Nobody would consider doing admin stuff to be "making money" unless he were still struggling to build a clientele. Anybody already working at anywhere near full capacity would never consider admin stuff to be "making money"; quite the opposite: it feels like losing money doing that stuff (despite the fact that it's necessary) instead of getting back to working on all your deadlines.

Right. Because the busier you are writing the more you "appreciate" all the other stuff you have to do that you don't get paid a penny extra for. The same way cab drivers who drive 70 hours a week "appreciate" all the money they "make" doing engine repairs instead of driving.

Before, I only assumed that you don't get very much work; now, I'm certain of it. Nobody would consider doing admin stuff to be "making money" unless he were still struggling to build a clientele. Anybody already working at anywhere near full capacity would never consider admin stuff to be "making money"; quite the opposite: it feels like losing money doing that stuff (despite the fact that it's necessary) instead of getting back to working on all your deadlines.

Keeping this stupid argument going is another indication you're not working very much, too. Again, all of this nonsense is in response to the fact that I happened to mention that the more private work I do the more I appreciate what the companies do. Pheelyks said the same thing in other threads and I happen to know that his output is as high as mine and quite possibly even higher. By all means though, keep arguing against that sentiment as though neither of us knows what we're talking about and you do.

somewriter:
I don't see why you're disagreeing with me when you've made the same point yourself.
Same reason people in the market for a clock prefer ones that actually work to one's that don't even though they may still be right twice a day.

Check my other posts and you'll hopefully understand your mistake. I have found a few other skilled writers who have been working with/for me, who I send excess work to when I have more orders than I can possibly do in a certain time frame. In those cases all I do is handle the administrative stuff and make a few bucks. Like i said before, it's so simple that I feel like it is practically money for nothing even though most of the payment goes to the other writer. Thus, it is in virtue of having many orders that I am able to profit from simple administrative work. It works out well for all of us because I have some skilled writers to lend a hand when needed, those writers benefit by getting good pay for their work and knowing I won't rip them off, and the customers benefit because I don't have to turn down a lot of orders.

But if that's the case, wouldn't it also be an indication that you're not working much either. And to clarify, this all started when you implied that essay writers who don't want to work for the big essay companies due to the fact that some of them scam their employees must be less skilled.

No. His claim is that someone who doesn't say that management is difficult must not be doing much of it. He says management is difficult; ipso facto, his claim doesn't apply to him.

Actually, the claim in question was his claim that my keeping the argument going was an indication that I must not be working much. He too is keeping the argument going. Thus by his own reasoning, his continued participation in the argument is an indication that he is not working much. I think his reasoning is silly of course. I've actually been working a lot tonight and it doesn't take long to pop over here every now and then during a break. I'm already at my computer after all.

1. You're not quite being accurate. You were assuming that anyone interested in finding a way to make money at this without the worry that some have about getting ripped off by the company must be a bad writer, and that's the part I started arguing against.

2. I don't have experience working for one of the companies but I've got a lot working for myself, and I guess we just disagree because I wouldn't give up any of my money just to have a company handle the minor administrative duties.

1. You're not quite being accurate. You were assuming that anyone interested in finding a way to make money at this without the worry that some have about getting ripped off by the company must be a bad writer, and that's the part I started arguing against.

2. I don't have experience working for one of the companies but I've got a lot working for myself, and I guess we just disagree because I wouldn't give up any of my money just to have a company handle the minor administrative duties.

Not the right context. What made him CERTAIN you don't have much work is that you don't appreciate administration.

But they're not just handling that. They're also handling

*Subsidizing clients who don't pay or pay incompletely (which I have had to deal with and simply can't enforce because I don't have the time)
*Promoting and advertising
*Getting to the top of search engines
*Running different kinds of transactions (credit card, debit card, etc., sometimes across international borders) and eating those costs

This isn't what he said. You should take your own advice and read more thoroughly.

essaypro:
Lets bring some change to this industry. Its time we stood up against the fraud rampant in this industry.
Either that or just learn to write well enough to get hired by some of the legitimate companies that provide a quality product to their customers and don't exploit their writers.

Yes, I get slightly less per page from these companies, but I have to answer very few emails, spend absolutely no time on marketing/finding customers, don't ever have to explain how to set up a paypal account, don't have to reassure people that I'm legitimate, don't have to explain how things work, or any of the other many things that the administrative staff at these companies handles.

At this point, the administrative work becomes more than just a minor part of the job, and I for one detest it. It's great that you don't, but if it's something that only takes you a few minutes each day you really aren't operating on the same scale as we are.

with friends like you, who needs enemas?

So, your customers are completely willing to send money to a random person on the Internet without asking any real questions, and without you ever experiencing any problems. Amazing. You're either lying, or you've stumbled upon a treasure trove of some of the most gullible people imaginable. Either way, your comments aren't applicable in the real world.

So, your customers are completely willing to send money to a random person on the Internet without asking any real questions, and without you ever experiencing any problems. Amazing. You're either lying, or you've stumbled upon a treasure trove of some of the most gullible people imaginable. Either way, your comments aren't applicable in the real world.

Actually, my experience has been the same. I ask for half up front to secure trust and negotiate each contract individually.

Technically that's what all of our customers are doing, sending money to a stranger online. Of course they have questions at times, but usually I don't have to deal with many customer questions and the questions I get aren't anything difficult to answer. I don't know what problems you expect, but so far things have gone very smoothly.
Sometimes people try out a smaller order before they submit one for a longer paper, but I always get paid before I begin and I always follow through. After a customer's first order is complete, he or she then sees there is nothing to worry about. Some customer's may not like my system. I will admit that sometimes customers place an order but never pay, so perhaps those are the customers who are unwilling to pay first. That's fine with me, I understand, but I'm not changing my system for those few orders I lose.
Best of luck in the real world, maybe you'll get the kinks in your own system worked out.

I'm sure it'd grow rapidly if they enforced rules such as "3 bad essays and you're out" for their writers and the customers knew about that.