essayer Member Joined: Dec 28, 06 Posts: 127
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Quoting: Beth, Post #154 And still I can see that some writers continue to post their negative comments on this forum even after their cases were individually investigated and their particular issues were successfully resolved. i don't know about the "successfully resolved" thing there because up until my "account termination" you have yet to make the transfer for my last earnings due over a month ago. anyway, let me just kindly remind you of your communication (Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:35:14 +0300) re my "account termination": You will receive all of your dues in next three days the latest, regardless the payroll date. Best regards, EssayWriters.net HR Dept today is the 3rd day since and i'm still waiting.... Quoting: Beth, Post #154 I wish professional success and creative inspiration to every writer who worked, works, and will work with us. thank you, and i'll wait for the transfer till today....
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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Apr 22, 07, 03:18PM
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Quoting: lex, Post #159 this is not a grammar class.. we are supposed to catch essay scammers here.. Maybe if writers used sound grammer in all of the papers that they write, essaywriters.net would have one less reason or excuse to deny payment.
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 22, 07, 03:22PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #163 Maybe if writers used sound grammer in all of the papers that they write, essaywriters.net would have one less reason or excuse to deny payment. ARE YOU CALLING MY GRAMMAR BAD!!!!!! hehehehehe
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essayer Member Joined: Dec 28, 06 Posts: 127
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Apr 22, 07, 03:39PM
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Quoting: rat289, Post #164 ARE YOU CALLING MY GRAMMAR BAD!!!!!! hehehehehe why? are you one of essaywriters.net's writers???????????? didn't you repeatedly and vehemently deny having any affiliation with that company?
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 22, 07, 04:02PM
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Quoting: essayer, Post #165 why? are you one of essaywriters.net's writers???????????? didn't you repeatedly and vehemently deny having any affiliation with that company? Nope... was just playin around but I should point out that I did apply and was accepted by essaywriters the other week when I started checking them out... or did ya forget that part? But hey... lighten up... have some fun.... it's warm and sunny outside and the birds are chirping... and I'm still stuck behind this computer... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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essayer Member Joined: Dec 28, 06 Posts: 127
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Apr 23, 07, 01:38AM
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Quoting: rat289, Post #164 Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #163 Maybe if writers used sound grammer in all of the papers that they write, essaywriters.net would have one less reason or excuse to deny payment. ARE YOU CALLING MY GRAMMAR BAD!!!!!! hehehehehe Quoting: rat289, Post #166 Nope... was just playing around but I should point out that I did apply and was accepted by essaywriters the other week when I started checking them out... your latest clincher slip sure is amusing. it really gave me a prolonged good laugh rat. imagine, through a succession of mega and clincher slips, you gave yourself away. your affiliation with essaywriters.net used to be hypothetical "what if's". now, it's a closer-to-the-truth story of being an essaywriters newbie writer with "no compunction" to bring us down. Quoting: rat289, Post #124 Furthermore, I'm confident that the average person can see the attempts to frame me as a company rep are nothing more than last ditch efforts to discredit me and the truth. your sudden show in this forum has been suspect from the start but now, the average reader knows for certain that your supposed "fair, balanced and truthful" statements emanate from your conviction as an essaywriters.net agent. of course, that's not the complete picture of your affiliation with my old company. with the "resources" you so loudly boasted of, you cannot just be a newbie writer with essaywriters. but at least, you admitted to it. you should have really told us so from the start! there is absolutely nothing wrong with being essaywriters.net's rep. we actually welcome you here so you can give the company's side, possibly clear any misunderstanding between writers and the company and most importantly, facilitate the payment of earnings long delayed. oh rat, i'm finding your presence here incredible but truly amusing. :)

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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 23, 07, 02:43AM
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Quoting: essayer, Post #167 Quoting: rat289, Post #164 Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #163 Maybe if writers used sound grammer in all of the papers that they write, essaywriters.net would have one less reason or excuse to deny payment. ARE YOU CALLING MY GRAMMAR BAD!!!!!! hehehehehe Quoting: rat289, Post #166 Nope... was just playing around but I should point out that I did apply and was accepted by essaywriters the other week when I started checking them out... your latest clincher slip sure is amusing. it really gave me a prolonged good laugh rat. imagine, through a succession of mega and clincher slips, you gave yourself away. your affiliation with essaywriters.net used to be hypothetical "what if's". now, it's a closer-to-the-truth story of being an essaywriters newbie writer with "no compunction" to bring us down. Quoting: rat289, Post #124 Furthermore, I'm confident that the average person can see the attempts to frame me as a company rep are nothing more than last ditch efforts to discredit me and the truth. your sudden show in this forum has been suspect from the start but now, the average reader knows for certain that your supposed "fair, balanced and truthful" statements emanate from your conviction as an essaywriters.net agent. of course, that's not the complete picture of your affiliation with my old company. with the "resources" you so loudly boasted of, you cannot just be a newbie writer with essaywriters. but at least, you admitted to it. you should have really told us so from the start! there is absolutely nothing wrong with being essaywriters.net's rep. we actually welcome you here so you can give the company's side, possibly clear any misunderstanding between writers and the company and most importantly, facilitate the payment of earnings long delayed. oh rat, i'm finding your presence here incredible but truly amusing. :) You're really reaching here essayer. The problem with your claims against me is that I have said BOTH good and bad about essaywriters.net. When I came to the site and got into that long debate with Amy I made it clear to all that I had applied and WAS accepted as a contract writer for essaywriters.net. I also stated that I would take a couple of jobs with them and gauge how quickly I got paid. I also said I would report back on my findings. Here are my two posts that support what I just said... Quoting: rat289, Post #44 I've taken the time to read through this entire thread and I must admit my verdict is still out. One thing I noticed was the difference in sentence structure and quality of writing between those with complaints and those with praise. Those against the site seem to have less command of their skill where those with praise seem well articulated. Beth, I'm sorry to say this but you are the exception here but I suspect you don't claim to be a writer. Could the issues be poor quality of work? Before I get blasted I should qualify my statement. I am aware that this is a casual forum and as such we let our guard down. A certain level of syntax is to be expected. That said, the core of our writing will always shine through no matter how poor the grammar. A couple of you leave me wondering just how good your finished product could be. One writer here complained about not being paid in full. I've read the payment schedule and terms posted on the site. Was all the work SCHEDULED to be completed in the same payment cycle? Was it completed on time? Were revisions required? Did you follow all the requirements set forth by them? Did the client pay on time? I find it hard to believe they would pay you a portion and screw you on the rest. If they plan to screw you out of money why wouldn't they just keep it all? I suspect were we to explore everybody's claims of non-payments we'd find reasonable explanations. By "reasonable" I don't mean letting them off the hook, I mean a valid non-fraudulent reason. I'm willing to bet the sluggishness to pay in a timely manner by Essay Writers could be attributed to poor management not malice. I could be wrong too. They could be a complete scam and the posters with complaints could be justified. At this point I have no opinion one way or the other. The point is that a person should research both sides of an argument before formulating an opinion. More importantly, a person should be very careful to express ALL the facts when writing something that could be damaging to a company... there is a legal term for that and it could cost you a lot of money should Essay Writers decide to be vindictive. I applied and was accepted to them. I'm going to write a couple of papers for them. I'm not new at this and I have proofing resources that most do not. I will keep you up on my dealings with Essay Writers and you can bet it will be fair and balanced. Quoting: rat289, Post #49 My appearance here is the result of something you should've done before doing any work for them. I came across the site yesterday and applied to it. I received the "approval" email this morning. Having been around for a while I am a bit skeptical of this website and others like it. Unlike you, I wasn't hell-bent on churning out work and earning money. Unlike you, I researched the site first. Unlike you, I did the professional thing by doing my homework first and in doing so I landed on this site. I read the entire thread and as I said in my previous posting I noticed that the writers who were slamming the site were doing so in a manner that suggested they weren't the best of writers which suggested quality of work could've been part of the problem. I'm beginning to see the problem as the research I'm doing, which you were too lazy to do, is turning up answers. I highly doubt you'd understand those answers and how to protect yourself. As a professional I do understand the picture that is slowly developing. The best advice I could give you Army is to get a clue. Pull your head out of you're a$$ before you start slamming things you haven't taken the time to look into. I would also develop your skills as a writer a little more before you start tearing apart the work of others. Judging from your user name you should be able to understand this: On this subject you are talking way over your pay-grade. I would like to point out where I say I was accepted by them and where I stated I came across the site yesterday. So I have to ask you... at what point and where have I been misleading? The day I joined this site was the day I was accepted by them which happened to be the day AFTER my friend linked me to the site and asked me to check it out. My "checking" them out lead me to here... Do you see how I would join the site just a week or so ago? Before the day I applied to write for essaywriters.net I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITE OR ESSAYWRITERS.NET. If you wish to verify this essayer, message me and I will give you my user name and password there... the user name is the same as it is here... the same user name I use everywhere I can... the same user name I've had for over 5 years (not on essaywriters, on the web)... I have nothing to hide... attempt to back up your claims against me... I'm not afraid of the light like most rats are.That aside, I have to ask you... what would be my motive for hiding the alleged fact that I'm an agent? How have I pitched the site? Have I not done anything but dispel false and misleading information? Have I not said negative things about them? Why would I have to do anything to gain any sort of credibility in this matter when the FACTS I presented support themselves on their own? As I said, you're really reaching and you seem very determined to soil the facts and arguments I've made... all of my debates were an effort to make this site a fair and balanced forum so that members such as YOU can rely on the information on it... I have to ask you why are you and other likeminded members so against that? To what end are you working toward here? WHAT ARE YOUR MOTIVES FOR PREVENTING SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP YOU IF YOU ARE WHO YOU CLAIM TO BE - JUST A WRITER!I don't know about anybody else but my theory is... if you're against fair and balanced you must be with a company out to discredit its competitors... it's the only theory that makes sense. Uh... WritersBeware... I draw your attention to the word "theory"... that means opinion based on limited or no evidence, just on action and common sense... sorry, I couldn't resist the shot... don't get upset... which brings me to my last point... the grammar comments I made were nothing but jokes about a grammar gaff I made by correcting a member about a semicolon... I was incorrect and I was making light of it... Had I known that essayer was so desperate in finding some way to "bring me down" I wouldn't have tried to be funny... Too bad you take your work so seriously that you can't kick back and have some fun once in a while.

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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 23, 07, 02:44AM
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Oh and my quoted posts in the above posts are located in this thread around page 4 or so...
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nom_de_plume Member Joined: Apr 23, 07 Posts: 50
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Apr 23, 07, 03:10PM
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I have been writing for Essaywriters for quite sometime now. When I started writing for the company, I came across this message forum. The messages posted here created fear and agitation. This notwithstanding, I continued writing for the company and followed its policies. I enjoyed writing for the company's clients and tried my very best to understand the writing guide and their system. And with all the trust and good faith, I delivered and complied.
Until one day during the early part of contractual employment, an issue arose due to a miscommunication. It was no one's fault. Ordinarily with me, such a situation would have been met with understanding and patience BUT due to the gnawing fear that build up and was generated because of reading the messages here—of collective outcry of scam and bogus—it pushed me a bit over the edge—and I started doubting. But my doubts did not affect the level of professionalism I have in delivering the pending outputs. After delivering my last output for that time, I took several steps back to embark on my quest for the truth behind these messages.
Long after I found the truth, I can truly say that my opinion now of this company is based on solid facts and experiences. It was a blessing that I decided to stay on and be a part of its continuous growth. There are hundreds of us working as writers for this company. Some of us write, not for a living but for the learning experiences we get from interacting with clients, the company's support staff, and the varied and interesting topics we research and write about.
We are deeply saddened, hurt and some are even enraged by what we read. Maybe a few of us wrote the company requesting it to weed out those who are 'unhappy and disgruntled' and for 'cause' because of constant bickering and never ending dissatisfaction in the posts-some of which are part of the grand conspiracy to pull and drag the company down. I believe in freedom of speech and of posting your opinions here but I also believe in exercising that freedom with due regard and respect to the rights of others.
It is claimed somewhere in the message thread that essaywriters have hundreds of orders but these are empty and are not actual orders. I would disagree because I clicked on many and found each to be in order. Maybe when you have logged in, the system was down. I experienced both. I logged in and the orders were empty. I logged in after 2 hours, the orders are posted. The page that appears when one logs on to the website 'account suspended' is a technical failure as I have experienced that in the past. The company has notified the writers in their notices page immediately after- that the system was down a couple of times due to the fact that the company has increased connection 4 times. The explanation to issues raised here is all contained in the notices page in the administrative zone. The company now has provided an email address of Ms Beth to assure that the sentiments and complaints of writers can be properly and immediately conveyed to management. Personally, I would want to avail of that mode when it becomes necessary rather than bring it elsewhere.
No organization is perfect as there would be mistakes, miscommunication and delays. I would meet those shortcomings with patience, understanding and professionalism. I have seen efforts of the company to improve and better serve not only its clients but the writers as well. The system was upgraded several times, means of effective communication between the writers and the company; the writers and the clients; between the clients and the company have been provided and improved; detailed policies that cover problem areas with clear penalties for every infraction. My issue on revision has been resolved FAIRLY and QUIETLY using the company's established procedure and so it works. There are instances when compensation was delayed but this delay was due to banking institutions or intermediaries. As long as the company sends the compensation on the date it is supposed to; based on its written policy; any delay caused which is attributable to these intermediaries should not be blamed on the company. This is based on the sound principle of fairness. The company should have stopped there but I have experienced the efforts to exhaust ways and means to shorten delays not attributable to it and expedite the remittances of compensation. It is my opinion that the company is under no obligation to respond to the posts here for it has established already a mode for that purpose. It has regularly and faithfully responded to the silent majority (hundreds) of writers' concerns every single day through the established mode and in the same manner it has responded and obliged to a handful of writers who went public in this message forum. The company has exemplified the highest degree of professionalism in reaching out to everyone.
Whatever concerns which a handful of writers may have against the company; these are matters personal to you and the company. There are hundreds of us who silently do our jobs with much content and loyalty. We work for this institution because it has showed integrity and professionalism. I would no longer visit these pages. I know that this post may fall on some people's sphere of doubts and paranoia. It is your decision to choose to waddle in your own pool of discontent. But always keep in mind that there are hundreds of us who rally behind this company and when the proper time comes and in the proper place if and when it decides to vindicate its rights, you will all read our individual written statements under oath. This message forum is not the appropriate medium for the majority. I will all leave you with this: A German philosopher , Georg Hegel once said, "The learner always begins by finding fault, but the scholar sees the positive merit in everything."

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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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There are so many different things in yoru post that tell me you are a shill for essaywriters. I'm not into long posts, so I'll just mention one. You say that the "account suspended" message is a "technical problem." That's bogus. Isn't that the same untruth that Beth told? That warning only appears when essaywriters.net has violated the TOS of the Web host or failed to make timely payments for hosting. The ony person who would make up bogus excuses for the disciplinary action of the Web host is someone who has a vested interest in keeping essaywriters' infractions quiet.
WritersBeware once said, "The learner always begins by finding obvious fault, but the scholar sees the hidden deception in anything."
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 23, 07, 03:54PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #171 WritersBeware once said, "The learner always begins by finding obvious fault, but the scholar sees the hidden deception in anything." Not to mix it up with you again but you forgot another saying... The innocent will concede when their facts are proven wrong, but the deceitful will keep arguing with false and twisted evidence. Some of you guys here just keep arguing by presenting the same evidence that has just been redressed. However, I do have to agree with you that the post by nom_de_plume does seem a bit fishy. Of course this is OUR (yours and mine) opinion and there is a chance WE (you and I) could be wrong about nom_de_plume. WE say that WritersBeware because we really have no evidence to support our suspicions.
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nom_de_plume Member Joined: Apr 23, 07 Posts: 50
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Apr 23, 07, 03:57PM
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oh dear me, Hegel must be turning in his grave!
Let us find out what Thomas Jefferson has to say, "Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free and buoyant. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both."
Goodluck to you, WritersBeware--your name sounds spooky! Boo! Goodbye and enjoy your waddle in your warm pool :-)
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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Apr 23, 07, 04:01PM
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Wasn't it Beth who actually said that she was begging writers to post positive comments here?
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 23, 07, 04:16PM
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Quoting: nom_de_plume, Post #173 oh dear me, Hegel must be turning in his grave! Let us find out what Thomas Jefferson has to say, "Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free and buoyant. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both." Goodluck to you, WritersBeware--your name sounds spooky! Boo! Goodbye and enjoy your waddle in your warm pool :-) You see, this is a good example of what the actions of posting false information as fact nets you. nom_de_plume could very well be legit, but because as members we don't hold to a higher standard of proof for the things that are posted here he/she immediately falls under suspicion because nobody knows what to believe. Are you people beginning to see why truth, fairness and balance mean so much to me and to the credibility of this site? I'm not trying to say holding a higher standard would prevent companies from doing things like this BUT if all that was posted here were real facts, why would they have to? And if they do... Let's say for demonstrative purposes that essaywriters turned out to be a scam, all we'd have to reply to his/her post of blessings would be a very short and direct "We're glad it's working out for you but based on the facts, we believe this company to be a scam". If they insist on arguing with you, all you would need to do is refer them to the threads that contain the proof. The way things are here at this time, we don't know who to believe... is that why you came here? If so, then you're part of the problem, if not, perhaps it's time to take action and fix it. By demanding that all information about ANY company posted here is true and backed up with evidence when needed or noted as opinion when evidence can't be found, you turn this forum into a powerful tool for those who have questions about a company than the advertising board it currently is for companies looking to sway customers and writers from their competitors.

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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 23, 07, 04:18PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #174 Wasn't it Beth who actually said that she was begging writers to post positive comments here? Yes, I believe so, however, I don't believe she meant it in a deceitful way... it's just a feeling I have about here... I could be wrong.
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nom_de_plume Member Joined: Apr 23, 07 Posts: 50
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Apr 23, 07, 04:23PM
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I will further oblige with a final post WritersBeware: Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #174 Wasn't it Beth who actually said that she was begging writers to post positive comments here? Non sequitur! I am just in a quandary as to why you can't handle truth. One disappears --then one resurfaces on the 19 April? boy, your specie multiplies fast--reminds me of the gremlin movie. You do not even sound like a writer to me. Since we are on your spooky page: ". . .bigotry and prejudice, ghosts though they are, cling tenaciously to life; they are shades armed with tooth and claw. They must be grappled with unceasingly, for it is a fateful part of human destiny that it is condemned to wage perpetual war against ghosts. A shade is not easily taken by the throat and destroyed." Oh I just love French drama! That is Victor Hugo for you--I am sure with your magnificent brilliance, you would remember that, wouldn't you? Bonne journée ! And don't try to get up, you look fantastic in that warm pool.
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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Apr 23, 07, 04:26PM
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Please take your nonsense elsewhere.
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essayer Member Joined: Dec 28, 06 Posts: 127
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Apr 23, 07, 05:40PM
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i agree writers beware. so many infiltrators with loooong convoluted posts here.
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workfromhomemom Member Joined: Mar 22, 07 Posts: 40
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Apr 23, 07, 08:12PM
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Quoting: nom_de_plume, Post #170 There are hundreds of us working as writers for this company. Some of us write, not for a living but for the learning experiences we get from interacting with clients, the company's support staff, and the varied and interesting topics we research and write about. We are deeply saddened, hurt and some are even enraged by what we read. Maybe a few of us wrote the company requesting it to weed out those who are 'unhappy and disgruntled' and for 'cause' because of constant bickering and never ending dissatisfaction in the posts-some of which are part of the grand conspiracy to pull and drag the company down. How would you know that you hold the same sentiments as your "fellow writers"? How would you know that they too are "deeply saddened, etc." by the posts of individual writers here? Most writers at essaywriters don't know a thing about each other so how can you speak on their behalf -- the "hundreds" of other writers working for the company? I know a three or four others working there -- BUT A HUNDRED?! LOL Unless you're the employer... Would freelance writers actually go to the extent of asking essaywriters' admin to "weed out unhappy and disgruntled" writers of the company? I still don't think so. Like the opinions of others here, Quoting: rat289, Post #172 the post by nom_de_plume does seem a bit fishy

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workfromhomemom Member Joined: Mar 22, 07 Posts: 40
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Apr 23, 07, 08:19PM
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Quoting: nom_de_plume, Post #170 I have seen efforts of the company to improve and better serve not only its clients but the writers as well. The system was upgraded several times, means of effective communication between the writers and the company; the writers and the clients; between the clients and the company have been provided and improved; detailed policies that cover problem areas with clear penalties for every infraction. You've seen these changes recently had it not been for the posts here, honey. I think that prior to most of the complaints posted here, essaywriters wasn't doing anything :-)
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lex Member Joined: Apr 6, 07 Topics: 2 Posts: 36
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Apr 23, 07, 09:00PM
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ooh give nom_de_plume a chance..
some of you said that they are outfits from ukraine or anywhere.. how come she/he writes good english? i could be wrong, but she could be a legit writer, though not connected as direct employee of the company..
after having had the time to ponder, i arrived on the theory that essaywriters.net is based in the USA but just employs the services of other countries to handle their customer service needs to save on labor costs (this explains the accents one hears upon calling their customer and writer care).
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lex Member Joined: Apr 6, 07 Topics: 2 Posts: 36
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Apr 23, 07, 09:04PM
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of course, i'll completely believe that the company is trying to build a good rapport with their writers if the payment of earnings would now be regularly complied with..
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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| Edited by: WritersBeware Apr 23, 07, 09:12PM
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The people who claim to be "owners" and "respresentatives" have had Ukrainian accents and writing styles. Many different people here have documented this fact. Essaywriters.net may have formed an LLC in Virginia, whihc anyone on any continent can do, but the owners are nto physically located in the US. The owners didn't even sign their own LLC documents, from what I understand from Rat. They hired someone in the US to sign for them as a registered agent.
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lex Member Joined: Apr 6, 07 Topics: 2 Posts: 36
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Apr 23, 07, 09:57PM
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mmm.. they're good in conceptualizing business techniques..
whether these techniques are ethical or not, it's for us to judge.. but, by not paying earnings on time, that's bad business for the writers and for the company..
i have been paid already.. yet i have to wait for the may 1st and 15th of may ON TIME earnings payments to believe that they indeed have changed..
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 23, 07, 10:02PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #184 The people who claim to be "owners" and "respresentatives" have had Ukrainian accents and writing styles. Many different people here have documented this fact. Essaywriters.net may have formed an LLC in Virginia, whihc anyone on any continent can do, but the owners are nto physically located in the US. The owners didn't even sign their own LLC documents, from what I understand from Rat. They hired someone in the US to sign for them as a registered agent. Yes that is correct. A filling service was used by the parent company or a subsidiary. The search for the LLC I did was simply to locate the LLC that a member was saying didn't exist. However, there was no evidence or reason to doubt the ownership was overseas.
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 23, 07, 10:04PM
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Quoting: lex, Post #185 mmm.. they're good in conceptualizing business techniques.. Not really. You just need a lawyer if you live outside the country you wish to start a business in. The fact that there are forms for just that action would suggest it isn't as uncommon as you would think.
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essayer Member Joined: Dec 28, 06 Posts: 127
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Apr 23, 07, 11:07PM
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sorry rat, but it is simply incredible how a newbie writer would use and flaunt his/her "resources" and absence of "compunction" to bring down amy and would-be amy's in legalistic and highfalutin defense of essaywriters.net. you were so zealously anxious in your diatribe with amy and even gloated[/b] about your success in bringing her down so much so that such energy could only come from some deeper and much more beneficial form of association.
your aggressive loyalty could only come from being ........ paid!
ok, i'll give it to you that you are indeed employed as a new writer by my old company--full time as an infiltrator poster in this and perhaps, other forums.
as for your "facts," they are so loudly self-proclaimed as supposed "facts" that they're probably 'convoluted facts'.
on my part, i've been historically very fair to essaywriters. yes, "historically" because long before you appeared here, i made sure i admitted to all earnings i've received so as to deliberately balance my non-payment complaints. also, i even thanked the disguised presence of the company's liaison in this forum. kindly see one of my posts in the thread that was so unfortunately closed, in part through your campaign efforts, as follows:
[EssayWriters.net And Content Gurus: The Inside Truth essayer Reg: Dec 28, 06 Posts: 62 Profile 7:00pm Feb 7, 07 | Post #283
(in reply to esther's "Does everybody already receive his/her payments from essaywriters?")
thank you esther for asking that. being essaywriter's liaison here, your last posting only means that your company has decided to pay everyone.
i only wish management has vowed to make that a matter of policy. you see, regular and prompt payment is more efficient PR and makes for sound business management...]

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workfromhomemom Member Joined: Mar 22, 07 Posts: 40
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Apr 23, 07, 11:21PM
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Quoting: lex, Post #182 ooh give nom_de_plume a chance.. Quoting: nom_de_plume, Post #170 There are hundreds of us who silently do our jobs with much content a chance? you're a writer for essaywriters and you see the number of available orders posted there everyday. If they had hundreds of writers, how come the orders posted there don't get taken? One essayscam member who signed up recently, Smandy, said it herself that most of the orders don't get taken at all. Quoting: nom_de_plume, Post #170 always keep in mind that there are hundreds of us who rally behind this company nom_de_plume's post made it seem as though exchanges between her and other "content & loyal" writers take place regularly. she may know a few writers maybe, but i doubt she knows hundreds. note that essaywriters' messaging system allows writers to communicate with customers and support reps ONLY. we are also prohibited from disclosing our personal information to customers. so how in the world can she speak for other writers and tell that there are hundreds of them out there who will back up the company she claims is upright? i appreciate essaywriters' efforts to improve their company and it's a good move to resolve issues with disgruntled writers like me LOL, but to have someone post something like nom_de_plume's is unbelievable. she would have had posters here believe she was just a writer for the company without the backed-up-by-hundreds kind of talk.

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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 23, 07, 11:59PM
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Quoting: essayer, Post #188 sorry rat, but it is simply incredible how a newbie writer would use and flaunt his/her "resources" and absence of "compunction" to bring down amy and would-be amy's in legalistic and highfalutin defense of essaywriters.net. you were so zealously anxious in your diatribe with amy and even gloated[/b] about your success in bringing her down so much so that such energy could only come from some deeper and much more beneficial form of association. Sorry essayer but you've got it wrong. I'm not a newbie writer; I'm new to this group and new to essaywriters.net. I have yet to take an assignment writing essay papers for them and I don't ever see myself doing so. At the time I made those posts it seemed important that I test the water and see if I get paid or put on. There's enough members here saying they've been paid to diminish the importance of seeing for myself. your aggressive loyalty could only come from being ........ paid!Again yet another thing you got wrong because you missed something in a previous post. Other than the work I do for law firms (fillings, articles, opinions, ect...) and local companies in my town (ads, fliers, how-to's, ect..) a large portion of my income comes from writing fiction. I stated this in an early post when my motives were questioned. I'll cover it one last time for you. I'm at a point in a project where I'm about to move from one phase to another. That leaves me with a week or two of idle time. A friend told me about essaywriters.net and asked me to check it out which lead me to here. The simple fact that I have to repeat this information shows me that you are not reading what I post; you're only looking for words and phrases to make me look attached to that company... in other words, using deceitful practices in an effort to discredit me. The aggressive loyalty you speak of isn't to essaywriters.net it is to truth and honesty. I'm sorry if you don't understand the concept of "going all the way or not going at all". A half-assed defense against misinformation would've been a waste of MY time and I don't like to waste my time. If I go on the attack I bring it all... just part of my character. Sorry that you can't get your mind around that notion. The evidence I provided was just that... evidence, complete with a link and instructions. Of her four arguments one was an outright lie and the other three were distortions of the truth or wrongly defined actions, just to simplify this for you. I merely defined the false interpretation of the actions she was harping on. The evidence that I am right and she was wrong can be obtained by anyone with the most simple of research (looking up legal terms and such) The simple fact that you see more to it than that means that for a while she was successful in blowing enough smoke to cloud things which in turn lead to elongated posts by me. The posts had to be long-winded because when you have someone twisting your words you have to make sure you cover it from every side, negating any chance of misinterpretation or misrepresentation - that's why legal contracts and laws are so wordy. Have you ever heard the term "loop-holes"? The fact that you're hung up on an old argument that was settled last week says you have an agenda. Plain and simple. To bring your doubts to and this tiresome debate to a conclusion I'm going to say this: I have nothing to hide. Even though I have taken no position with or against essaywriters I will still answer to your assertions that they are paying me for this. Message me. Message me and I will provide you with my user name and password there. I will also send you a list of all the public and private forums I am part of and have been part of for years and you will see the same user name. Some of these sites will also show you in my profile if another user name was logged in from my network. Long story short, I don't use alternative user names. From the essaywriters account you'll have my phone number and email address. You can then look up my email address and see that the user name I used there is the same as my email address. An email address that you can verify I've had for over 5 years, as long as I've been on the internet. You can call me and I will be more than happy to send you whatever you can conceive of to prove my identity. If you want I will even fly you to where I live and you can spend a couple of weeks with me. Whatever you need man... just ask. I have nothing to hide and I'm not afraid of my identity and for sure, my work isn't what you're running around here saying it is. So go on, take the challenge and report back what you learn. What are you afraid of? That I'll learn something about you that you don't want anyone to know here? IF you take a pass on this then you haven't a leg to stand on in calling me a shill for essaywriters.net!

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essayer Member Joined: Dec 28, 06 Posts: 127
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Apr 24, 07, 02:57AM
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Quoting: rat289, Post #190 The simple fact that I have to repeat this information shows me that you are not reading what I post; you're only looking for words and phrases to make me look attached to that company... actually, it's more a case of educated disbelief. Quoting: rat289, Post #190 I'm not a newbie writer; I'm new to this group and new to essaywriters.net. I have yet to take an assignment writing essay papers for them and I don't ever see myself doing so. At the time I made those posts it seemed important that I test the water and see if I get paid or put on. this is exactly my point: why would a newbie writer--for a company he/she supposedly wants to "test" first-post all out in defense of said company? your penchant for the truth, plain and simple? hey, issues hurled here against essaywriters.net aren't a question of human rights, save mother nature or other humanistic principle. very few people would buy your professed motivation. sad to say, the suspicion on your intentions is further supported by your gloating over amy's ouster from this forum? or would you say that you're simply being who you are--proud in the face of victory? sorry but i don't consider this point satisfactorily answered, much less settled. perhaps, it would never be. as for your challenge, i have to turn it down because i fear being led to a trap. not that i have anything to hide but it's just that in the internet age, i've grown to be security conscious. anyhow, despite my strong skepticism, i tell you that i respect your person and your presence here.

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lex Member Joined: Apr 6, 07 Topics: 2 Posts: 36
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Apr 24, 07, 08:32AM
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just an inquiry.. do you, writers who are plainly against essaywriters, still write for them as of the moments?
i think some of you still write for them..
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 24, 07, 10:32AM
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Quoting: essayer, Post #191 this is exactly my point: why would a newbie writer--for a company he/she supposedly wants to "test" first-post all out in defense of said company? your penchant for the truth, plain and simple? hey, issues hurled here against essaywriters.net aren't a question of human rights, save mother nature or other humanistic principle. very few people would buy your professed motivation. sad to say, the suspicion on your intentions is further supported by your gloating over amy's ouster from this forum? or would you say that you're simply being who you are--proud in the face of victory? The largest problem I have with your actions is that you're convoluting the facts to service an opposing agenda. Why? You're framing this to look as if I've been cheerleading for that company, when I have done nothing to that could be remotely close to that. I heard (from Amy and others) this, that and this and after checking out this, that and this I discovered "this" was half-true, "that" was a misrepresentation and "this" was a lie. In more clear words, I looked into what was being alleged against them and told the group that I had found most of what they were being told by Amy unreliable, to be kind. You're continued efforts to pin me to this company are pointless. Why does it matter one way or the other? Does it take anything away from me or my statements? No. My statements are factual and are easily verified; the company isn't in violation of the law and there is a LLC on file. That simple. No matter how you frame me, you're not going to change that fact. this is exactly my point: why would a newbie writer--for a company he/she supposedly wants to "test" first-post all out in defense of said company?How many ways do I have to answer this question before you stop seeing 'because they paid me to come defend them'? How many different ways and times do I have to point out the fact that it was for a friend that motivated my investigation. A friend! How many times and different ways do I have to point out that I wasn't defending them, I was pointing out and proving what statements were true and what wasn't? How many times essayer? How long will you continue to keep twisting this into something it isn't? If Amy hadn't turned this into a contest between her and me, my "defense" of the company wouldn't have been as boisterous as it has become. Had she simply said "oh, I must have been wrong, thanks for clearing it up" and moved on, I'd already be back doing what I do. But she didn't. She kept twisting and twisting and got meaner and meaner as she did so. Acting in such a manner as she did, and as you are, is suspicious. Your attempts to reinforce your opinion the way you are, and with as many different interpretations as you have presented, lends the appearance that you were instructed by your boss to shut me down and discredit me. What are your motives? What's in it for you? I'm sorry but I don't buy the fact that you waited a little time before "forming" an opinion on the issue. You weren't looking into the issue for the reason you stated (forming an opinion). If you were truly looking into it, your position would be the same as mine which has been stated time and time again over the last couple of weeks. The truth about that company is littered between two different threads and it all says the same thing: essaywriters isn't a sham company as some members lead us to believe. How can you ignore facts? How can you form such a misguided opinion? You can't. You seem to be an intelligent person. That means you are more than capable of dissecting evidence and interpreting it. Only a company shill would front the attack you're fronting now. You can no longer say they are a scam because the debate has been had and won by the side that opposes you, you're only remaining option is to discredit the source of the information but in the end you can't. To me, shutting you up is a challenge, just as proving Amy wrong was to me. I love defending the underdog, and there is no doubt that on this forum that essaywriters was and still is the underdog. When the other side turns it into a contest, I really dig in. When my competitive nature kicks in... I'll keep arguing until I win or we agree to disagree and drop the subject. You and Amy both had chances to bow out and still save face, but you both refuse to take it. WritersBeware dropped out. Why? Because she/he was wrong? Because she/he decided that it is a waste of time to argue with me? Who knows? All I can say for sure is that if he/she isn't Amy he/she isn't a shill for a company. Unlike the shills on this site he/she made her points then moved on. I have nothing against her/him (I wish WB would clear up gender at least, I hate typing he/she) just as I don't have anything against you or Amy. IF you want, I'll keep arguing with you. If you want I'll agree to disagree with you. It doesn't matter to me. Seriously essayer, I don't have a problem with you at all, if you see as if I do, you simply misunderstood me. I am curious though... what sort of trap could you possibly be afraid of? Then again, I'll never understand the fear some people have of the web because I don't fear it... I refer to the meeting of new people and not the use it. The web isn't really no different than meeting someone in the real world except for one way; it gives the insecure (and I don't mean that in a bad way) the security to be outgoing. I've met a few people here and chat with them outside of this community. A couple of them keep warning me to be careful of certain members as if exposing my identity would bring an end to my world. I don't see it that way. What is the worst that can happen? Then again, I'm a hopeless optimist.

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lex Member Joined: Apr 6, 07 Topics: 2 Posts: 36
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| Edited by: lex Apr 24, 07, 11:10AM
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just dont mind them rat.. if their minds are closed to what you want them to hear, they wont believe you.. just be comfortable with the thought that you have made every effort to state your side.. the rest is up to them..
if they wont believe you.. fine.. arguing with them would just make the issue more complicated and longer..
just a suggestion.. wheeew! maybe tommorow they'll focus their attention on me because of this.. peace guys..
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 24, 07, 11:18AM
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Yeah, you better be careful lex... I picture them holding knee-jerk, closed door planning sessions this very second... the wagons are being circled. hehehehe
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lex Member Joined: Apr 6, 07 Topics: 2 Posts: 36
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Apr 24, 07, 12:37PM
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Quoting: rat289, Post #195 I picture them holding knee-jerk, closed door planning sessions this very second hahaha.. again, peace..
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nom_de_plume Member Joined: Apr 23, 07 Posts: 50
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Apr 24, 07, 12:57PM
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Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #180 How would you know that you hold the same sentiments as your "fellow writers"? How would you know that they too are "deeply saddened, etc." by the posts of individual writers here? And how would you know that they hold the same sentiments as yours? I don't see the majority here except for a handful. I don't see public complaints of the majority except your litany. Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #180 Most writers at essaywriters don't know a thing about each other so how can you speak on their behalf -- the "hundreds" of other writers working for the company? I know a three or four others working there the above is based on your experience—very limited experience. You registered as member of Essayfraud on March 14, 2007 and stated in your message there that you started writing for essaywriters just last Feb. So tell me, where did you get such audacity to continue taking orders, getting paid and at the same time with your alleged continuous destruction of the business reputation and integrity of essaywriters in a period of almost 2 months. Your post at essayfraud on essaywriters last March 15 "Yes, I agree. There are many freelance writers searching for writing-from-home jobs over the internet, me included. But now I realized that it's a waste of time and resource -- electricity and other utilities, plus the fact that we sacrifice the time to rest just to get a project done." More than a month now from that time and despite your alleged reason that writing for essaywriters was a waste of time and resources, you continued to write, continued to receive compensation and continued 'talking behind the company's back'? You call that ethical and upright? Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #180 BUT A HUNDRED?! LOL Unless you're the employer... so clearly, you admit that it is a hundred! Sorry I do not have the privilege of being the employer. If I did I would never have accepted you in the company's fold. Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #180 Would freelance writers actually go to the extent of asking essaywriters' admin to "weed out unhappy and disgruntled" writers of the company? I still don't think so. Like the opinions of others here, Do not twist what was written by misquoting the statement 'weed out unhappy and disgruntled writers and for cause' reads different from what you misquoted and Yes, freelance writers actually go to the extent to complain to admin. The termination of accounts may have been also a way to protect the organization from 'rust' slowly creeping in. Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #181 You've seen these changes recently had it not been for the posts here, honey. I think that prior to most of the complaints posted here, essaywriters wasn't doing anything :-) Remark based purely on your self serving speculations. Do not patronize yourself. You cannot make me believe that these changes were due to your complaints. If it had been, shouldn't essaywriters be indebted to you for your constructive (sic) comments and therefore retain you in its fold? Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #184 The people who claim to be "owners" and "respresentatives" have had Ukrainian accents and writing styles. Many different people here have documented this fact. Essaywriters.net may have formed an LLC in Virginia, whihc anyone on any continent can do, but the owners are nto physically located in the US. The owners didn't even sign their own LLC documents, from what I understand from Rat. They hired someone in the US to sign for them as a registered agent. Hearsay evidence—your alleged 'documented fact' did not emanate even from expert witness. Brush up a little on the law, you are looking foolish. Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #189 you're a writer for essaywriters and you see the number of available orders posted there everyday. If they had hundreds of writers, how come the orders posted there don't get taken? One essayscam member who signed up recently, Smandy, said it herself that most of the orders don't get taken at all. You destroy your own premise. hundreds of orders but have you monitored each and every single order of hundreds—everyday? Why volunteer another? Are you not a writer there who may have monitored this every single day, every single order so that from your own observations, you can draw your own inference? How many times have you logged on a particular day, how long, how long after you logged in again. Writers take orders at random. Your conclusion does not have a leg to stand on. Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #189 nom_de_plume's post made it seem as though exchanges between her and other "content & loyal" writers take place regularly. she may know a few writers maybe, but i doubt she knows hundreds. How do you know when you have only stayed with essaywriters for about 2 months? Doubt all you can that seems to be one of the two functions of your brain. The other being, striking down ideas and experiences of others as fallacy simply because these fail to fit it in your right and left lobe of the brain. Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #189 appreciate essaywriters' efforts to improve their company and it's a good move to resolve issues with disgruntled writers like me LOL, be careful, you might be accused of being paid by the company for saying something positive about it! Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #189 but to have someone post something like nom_de_plume's is unbelievable. I do not give a hoot about what your prejudiced mind would think as unbelievable. Quoting: workfromhomemom, Post #189 she would have had posters here believe she was just a writer for the company without the backed-up-by-hundreds kind of talk. why should I prove anything to you? With your 2 month period of contractual employment and only 2, 3 or 4 writers you know there—quite limited experience. Why would I prove anything to you--when obviously matters can't get through that skull of yours. These people you know, are they your cohorts ? co-conspirators? Are private messages here sent so that you can gang up on persons who hold different views from yours? sniff, sniffers Ah, you wouldn't know that, would you? This is another message you posted at essayfraud for a fearful essaywriter writer. http://www.essayfraud.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=275 "There are many calls for papers over the Internet and maybe you can check them out if interested. Try "a cup of comfort" website. they have calls for papers till december this year. if your paper is chosen, you get paid a certain amount plus get published. I suppose that is better than working for EssayWriters.net where you are less likely to get paid for your efforts." And you call the above ethical? Upright? Professionalism anyone? Such treachery. 'Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools that have not wit enough to be honest.' You register as member, post a general complaint then wait in the dark for a prey and once you detect fear of not being paid by essaywriters, you recommend another site while you continue to take orders and receive compensation from essaywriters. Essayer, were you the one complaining about my long message? You have the same right to post a message which may be equal in length or even longer than mine. I have a lot of work to do than waste my time on bigotry. This site is a real showcase for discovering who are the real professionals from the pseudos; superficial knowledge from wisdom, mere finishing a degree from being educated. Writers Beware, you are a big disappointment!! You called French drama-nonsense? France is a wonderful country, have you been there? 'Ignorance is the curse of God,knowledge the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.'Workfromhomemom, expand your experiences-there is a vast world outside, beyond the four corners of your home, the grocery, and the pharmacy. Expand your horizons--your posts are quite telling. . . Here are some lollipops, do not fight over it. I do not want to waste my precious professional time with kids here, a few. Sure, I am a legitimate writer and a whole lot more in terms of other learned professions and I do not fall under the category of some kids here. I do not write for a living that is why perhaps I do not understand why some people have to squeeze blood and life out of others for delays in compensation.

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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 24, 07, 01:15PM
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Phew! That's a long post nom_de_plume, I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that. You make some good points here.
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WritersBeware Member Joined: Apr 19, 07 Topics: 91 Posts: 5022
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| Edited by: WritersBeware Apr 24, 07, 01:42PM
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Nom_de_plume, you need to stop accusing people of things that you know are completely false. At no time did I belittle France or the French. I told you to take YOUR nonsense elsewhere. Unfortunately, you didn't heed my request.
You call essaywriters.net's Ukrainian background "hearsay"? The personal experiences of dozens or writers, in this forum alone, goes well beyond the level of "hearsay," my friend.
Yes, you do not write for a living or have anything at all to do with essaywriters.net, yet you somehow find the deep desire to spend hours researchign the Internet and other forums in hot pursuit of quoted material to use against every essaywriters.net detractor who has posted in this thread. Why--for your personal enrichment? "Beth" stated in this forum that he/she has been beggign writers to post positive comments here. I would not put it past essaywriters.net to PAY writers, like you, to take the time to do exactly what you are doing now.
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rat289 Member Joined: Apr 12, 07 Topics: 1 Posts: 167
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Apr 24, 07, 02:07PM
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Quoting: WritersBeware, Post #199 I would not put it past essaywriters.net to PAY writers, like you, to take the time to do exactly what you are doing now. I'm just wondering... do you also leave room for the possibility that they don't? Paste this into yahoo IM: :-/ hehehe
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