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Edited by: editor75 Jan 21, 11, 02:15PM
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Major: my only suggestion for professional freelance writers and editors who read this thread
I agree; I would like to hear from more writers. it appears that there aren't really too many here who are regulars. I wasn't expecting this; I assume that it's the hostile atmosphere.
Major: tools like editor75
let's all try to communicate like grownups. it's fine to disagree without calling names, isn't it? I realize it's a lot to ask.
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| pheelyks |
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Jan 21, 11, 08:13PM
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editor75: the way the owners on this board have reacted, you'd think I was telling them to sacrifice their children.
Everyone reacted very rationally and calmly until you began persistently ignoring the substantive problems noted with your ideas.
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Jan 21, 11, 08:14PM
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editor75: I would like to hear from more writers. it appears that there aren't really too many here who are regulars.
A lot of writers in this industry do this very part time and probably don't bother looking into the goings-on behind the scenes (including this forum).
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Jan 21, 11, 08:36PM
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pheelyks: A lot of writers in this industry do this very part time and probably don't bother looking into the goings-on behind the scenes
Exactly.
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Jan 21, 11, 08:43PM
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pheelyks: Everyone reacted very rationally and calmly
ha! people immediately started telling me I was "out of my mind" and to "seek help." I was surprised and put off by the hostile reaction then, and still am.
pheelyks: you began persistently ignoring the substantive problems
this isn't true, either. in fact, I've changed my mind about several of my initial assumptions, due to the constructive feedback I've been able to find (like a needle in a haystack). I've also been very up front about the difficulty of what I'm suggesting, and the substantial obstacles it entails.
even if most of the writers in this industry are part time, and could care less, I still think there should be minimum standards, and that employers should be held more accountable.
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Jan 21, 11, 08:55PM
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editor75: employers should be held more accountable.
Accountable for what?
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Jan 21, 11, 09:03PM
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they should be held more accountable for how little of the cut they're giving their employees.
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Edited by: Major Jan 21, 11, 09:17PM
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Since an hourly rate doesn't and cannot work in this industry then sick days cannot work, either. Refer to my post about sick days.
Anything else?
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Jan 21, 11, 10:02PM
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editor75: they should be held more accountable for how little of the cut they're giving their employees.
You
are
a
blithering
idiot.
How many times do we have to tell you to stop painting ALL companies with the same brush? Until you do, **** you.
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Edited by: editor75 Jan 22, 11, 07:58AM
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OK-- so maybe an hourly rate and sick days won't work-- exactly as they would in other settings-- that's still no reason to give up on the general idea of improving conditions for writers.
no matter what the company is, or where it's from, I think things can be better for its writers. there should be a minimum standard. if you run a company that treats its writers well, maybe you're already above the minimum standard. so, does that mean there shouldn't be one, or that I shouldn't be trying to stimulate discussion about what that standard should be?
I don't get it. no one has added anything substantial. why ignore an issue that could make your employees happier and more productive?
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Jan 22, 11, 10:06AM
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editor75: no matter what the company is, or where it's from, I think things can be better for its writers.
This is the essential problem with all of your arguments--they are not finite. There is apparently no condition, real or hypothetical, in which you belive writers should not feel compelled to "improve their condition." If the owners made just enough to get by and writers made enough to purchase vacation homes after five years, you'd still say that there is "room for improvement." You would be right, of course, and the owners could make even less while giving the writers even more, but in this scenario that really wouldn't be fair or good.
At some point, there is a balance, and while conditions could "improve" they are at a point of equanimity between the writers and the owners. Good writers working for good companies might be at that point, but you refuse to acknowledge that this point even exists. That is why trying to provide constructive criticism has been so hopeless--it took a month of hearing the exact same arguments over and over again to get you to admit that sick days are a bad idea. You're boring.
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Jan 22, 11, 10:07AM
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editor75: no one has added anything substantial
People have been replying with arguments of substance for a month. The fact that you discount all of our arguments is a reflection on your lack of logical and rational capabilities rather than a reflection on the character of this forum or the individuals that populate it.
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Edited by: editor75 Jan 22, 11, 10:42AM
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I'm bored! this forum is a pit. there is nothing rational or constructive going on here. it's ruled by 2 or 3 hostile paranoids. I've belonged to a few of these things, and believe me, there is something wrong here. since jump, it's been like a race to see who can be the most insulting and condescending; I didn't come here to argue. I'm used to forums where people welcome new members, consider new ideas, and act like adults. this place is poison. I'm done repeating myself ad nauseum. I must be some kind of masochist, to have lasted this long.
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Jan 22, 11, 12:06PM
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editor75: I'm bored! this forum is a pit. there is nothing rational or constructive going on here. it's ruled by 2 or 3 hostile paranoids. I've belonged to a few of these things, and believe me, there is something wrong here. since jump, it's been like a race to see who can be the most insulting and condescending; I didn't come here to argue. I'm used to forums where people welcome new members, consider new ideas, and act like adults. this place is poison. I'm done repeating myself ad nauseum. I must be some kind of masochist, to have lasted this long.
Please DO let the door hit you on the way out. Moron.
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| pheelyks |
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Jan 22, 11, 04:05PM
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WritersBeware: Please DO let the door hit you
Apparently he would enjoy this...
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Jun 7, 11, 09:33PM
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I just thought that I'd remind everyone of editor75's unbelievable levels of stupidity.
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Jun 8, 11, 05:31AM
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thanks, WB. I do still think that writers in this industry need to be treated better by their bosses, who don't do as much of the work. if this makes me stupid to you, maybe you should check on your honesty level regarding your position in this industry. you're still telling people you don't work for Essaytown, right?
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