The Perfect Definition for a Pro-Academic Writer

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Heremeout	Writer	Edited by: Heremeout Feb 9, 12, 02:18AM \| #1
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	Unless he or she has exhibited, beyond reasonable doubts, the following professional traits,an individual is not certified as a Professional academic writer. A pro-academic writer is: -A rigorously trained academic scholar with at least a degree or diploma in specific field of study. -A vastly experienced master of law and ethics in the writing profession i.e. understands legal implications of plagiarism and copyright infringement -An expert in using all sorts of citation styles and formarts -An expert in conducting research -Highly proficient in the written and spoken English -Self-driven and independent minded -Above average time management skills Any persons that certify this accreditation criterion is a potential candidate for the profession of academic writing. For the purpose of making this definition more logical and by all means tolerable in the academic writing fraternity, dissenting but very constructive opinions are welcome.

queen sheba	Observer	Feb 9, 12, 02:50AM \| #2
Joined: Jan 29, 12 Threads: 28 Posts: 199	Heremeout: The Perfect Definition for a Pro-Academic Writer There is nothing like a 'Pro-Acdemic Writer'. There are two types of writers, a) Honest and qualified writers who DO NOT engage in the fraudulent business of helping students cheat the universities and b) dishonest and (dis)qualified writers who purposefully engage in helping students defeat the whole essence of education. Heremeout: -A rigorously trained academic scholar with at least a degree or diploma in specific field of study. -A vastly experienced master of law and ethics in the writing profession i.e. understands legal implications of plagiarism and copyright infringement...WHO DOESN'T HELP STUDENTS CHEAT THE SYSTEM -An expert in using all sorts of citation styles and formarts...WHO DOESN'T HELP STUDENTS CHEAT THE SYSTEM -An expert in conducting research...WHO DOESN'T HELP STUDENTS CHEAT THE SYSTEM -Highly proficient in the written and spoken English...WHO DOESN'T HELP STUDENTS CHEAT THE SYSTEM -Self-driven and independent minded...WHO DOESN'T HELP STUDENTS CHEAT THE SYSTEM -Above average time management skills...WHO DOESN'T HELP STUDENTS CHEAT THE SYSTEM Heremeout: Any persons that certify this accreditation criterion is a potential candidate for the profession of academic writing. For the purpose of making this definition more logical and by all means tolerable in the academic writing fraternity, dissenting but very constructive opinions are welcome. Having defeated your argument from the onset, i don't need to engage in further discussions pertaining to definition of a pro academic writer

Heremeout	Writer	Edited by: Heremeout Feb 9, 12, 04:38AM \| #3
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	queen sheba: There is nothing like a 'Pro-Acdemic Writer'. First and foremost, begin by learning how to use quotation marks correctly. Secondly, I would like to bring it to your attention that whether you hate it or otherwise, academic writing has become a profession, and very learned people are earning a living out of it. Please change your mindset about this fact.Thirdly,I do not see any aspect of "cheating the system" if the system can no longer function properly without academic writers.You are badly lagging behind serious facts, dear Queen.Lastly,because I already knew there was no such thing as "pro-academic writer," I just came up with the idea, how about that?

queen sheba	Observer	Feb 9, 12, 10:26AM \| #4
Joined: Jan 29, 12 Threads: 28 Posts: 199	Heremeout: First and foremost, begin by learning how to use quotation marks correctly. Thank you, Shakespeare wannabe Heremeout: Secondly, I would like to bring it to your attention that whether you hate it or otherwise, academic writing has become a profession, and very learned people are earning a living out of it. It doesn't matter whether it has become a 'profession' or not; the fact is- it is wrong HELP students cheat through the universities. 'Very learned people' as you put it are up there in the corporate ladder, not roaming writing sites scavenging for desperate and ill intentioned students. Heremeout: Thirdly,I do not see any aspect of "cheating the system" if the system can no longer function properly without academic writers. No. Universities can function PERFECTLY well without students who shouldn't be in the university in the first place. If you cannot produce a decent essay, you have no business being at the university. Heremeout: You are badly lagging behind serious facts, dear Queen i am not lagging behind anything. it is you and co. who cannot see the intellectual damage you inflict Heremeout: Lastly,because I already knew there was no such thing as "pro-academic writer," I just came up with the idea, how about that? You sound corny.

Heremeout	Writer	Feb 9, 12, 10:37AM \| #5
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	queen sheba: It doesn't matter whether it has become a 'profession' or not It does queen,it does matter a lot to the writing companies.

Heremeout	Writer	Edited by: Heremeout Feb 9, 12, 10:55AM \| #6
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	queen sheba: 'Very learned people' as you put it are up there in the corporate ladder What you do not understand is the fact that some of those "very learned people," had their PhD theses written by professional academic writers. It is not wrong or immoral for a student to seek help from the experts.This does not, in any way, make them dunderheads or unworthy to be in the institution of higher learning. Moreover,students have varied genuine reasons for seeking help in writing. Here are a few of them: -Some are very bright but with a major weakness in English -Some are extremely preoccupied in other academic related tasks and have no sufficient time to beat certain crucial deadlines -Some just need the input of a second or third party to help accomplish their academic projects based on diverse ideas -Some simply need assistance with research work -Some seek help because of very logical personal issues i.e. sickness What matters is that students complete their coursework, graduate, land themselves great jobs, and be able to deliver quality.They know pretty well what they are doing, aren't they?

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 9, 12, 03:13PM \| #7
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	It's like watching monkeys through feces at each other...

amnateeb	Writer	Feb 9, 12, 03:27PM \| #8
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	What happened pheeleaks? Is everything OK? pheelyks: through throw

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 9, 12, 05:58PM \| #9
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	You're right. That was a very silly mistake. It only took you about two months to catch me in a slip=up, too. You must be very proud.

queen sheba	Observer	Feb 9, 12, 06:38PM \| #10
Joined: Jan 29, 12 Threads: 28 Posts: 199	pheelyks: It's like watching monkeys through feces at each other... Retard, you have began it again....... Syphilis before you try to comment ABOUT anything, can you refund all monies you have obtained from students through pretending you'd deliver good papers only to deliver garbage.

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 9, 12, 07:21PM \| #11
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	Queenie, before you comment about anything, do you feel like being honest about your involvement in the industry?

WritersBeware		Feb 9, 12, 08:57PM \| #12
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,678	queen sheba: Retard, you have began it again....... Um, you may want to avoid remedial mistakes when referring to someone else as a "retard."

amnateeb	Writer	Feb 10, 12, 05:58AM \| #13
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	pheelyks: You're right. That was a very silly mistake. It only took you about two months to catch me in a slip=up, too. You must be very proud. Finally, you admitted I was right. Btw, I have pointed out mistakes in your writing before, but you have been so ignorant that you do not accept this. I am not proud, but sorry that you have earned your so-called degree in English and still you are confused in using confusing words. I think you scammed your proofreader/editor by not paying him/her for pointing out and correcting mistakes in your posts. :D

Heremeout	Writer	Feb 10, 12, 08:01AM \| #14
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	Pheelyks, why have you turned our healthy conversation into an insults forum !?

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 10, 12, 12:39PM \| #15
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	amnateeb: Finally, you admitted I was right Finally, you said something that was right. amnateeb: I have pointed out mistakes in your writing before Saying, "your writing sucks" isn't pointing out mistakes.

queen sheba	Observer	Feb 10, 12, 12:57PM \| #16
Joined: Jan 29, 12 Threads: 28 Posts: 199	WritersBeware: Um, you may want to avoid remedial mistakes when referring to someone else as a "retard." WritersBitchware: expectedly you have come to the aid of your subservient flunkey. Does he reward you in any way?..............perhaps some ****** favours?

WritersBeware		Feb 10, 12, 01:51PM \| #17
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,678	Do you really think that anyone believes your silly claim that you are a professor?

LynnFell85	Observer	Feb 10, 12, 02:47PM \| #18
Joined: Nov 29, 11 Threads: 2 Posts: 67	pheelyks: Queenie, before you comment about anything, do you feel like being honest about your involvement in the industry? The resident psychopath isn't, so why should queen sheba?

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 10, 12, 03:46PM \| #19
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	LynnFell85: The resident psychopath isn't, so why should queen sheba? I was responding directly to a question queenie asked of me. Before grasping at excuses to start in with WB, why not try doing a bit of reading for context?

queen sheba	Observer	Feb 10, 12, 09:46PM \| #20
Joined: Jan 29, 12 Threads: 28 Posts: 199	WritersBeware: Do you really think that anyone believes your silly claim that you are a professor? look, i have no problem addressing issues in a civilised manner AND indeed i was very polite when i first joined this forum. However, i have no problems resorting to dirty language if that is what you can understand. I don't need to convince anyone i am a senior lecturer (not professor) . In fact lets put it this way: i am a high school dropout

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 10, 12, 10:17PM \| #21
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,678	queen sheba: i was very polite when i first joined this forum That's a load of garbage. You joined on Januray 29, 2012, at 10:37 AM. Your FIRST POST was a an unsolicited, unprovoked, long-winded, dishonest, deceptive, lie-infested, already-defeated attack against me, you ignorant piece of trash.

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 10, 12, 10:27PM \| #22
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,678	queen sheba: I don't need to convince anyone i am a senior lecturer (not professor) You can't even keep your own lies straight: queen sheba: I am an Ethiopian lecturer, 31 and teaching economics at a private university in Nairobi. I also teach two other UK universities via teleconferencing. They allow "lecturers" like you—below the level of assistant professors—to teach classes at private universities? I sure as hell hope that the students are paying JC rates, at best.

Heremeout	Writer	Edited by: Heremeout Feb 11, 12, 02:11AM \| #23
Joined: Sep 29, 11 Threads: 10 Posts: 249	WritersBeware: They allow "lecturers" like you—below the level of assistant professors—to teach classes at private universities? I sure as hell hope that the students are paying JC rates, at best. WB please forgive her, she didn't know what she was talking about. I am ashamed to be associated with Queen. In Kenya, where I hail from (unfortunately), we do not accommodate such low profiled lecturers, talk less of a senior one or a professor.

amnateeb	Writer	Edited by: amnateeb Feb 11, 12, 04:10AM \| #24
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	pheelyks: Saying, "your writing sucks" isn't pointing out mistakes. How do you write, if you cannot read? You may go through the posts again. I pointed out mistakes with your "conditional sentence" and another sentence in which you were referring to "a" writer by calling him/her "they". pheelyks: Even if this were true, he's still one up on you. from How to initiate the process of being an essay writer? pheelyks: You don't need to tell a good writer how to do their job, either. pheelyks: The writer needs a dictionary, and should shy away from using words they don't really know. from I wrote a paper for a client. How to get paid? These are grammatical mistakes by a writer having degree in English! The solution for "they" can be: pheelyks: You could try "he or she." from WRITERS PLEASE BEWARE OF ALERTPAY

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 11, 12, 10:50AM \| #25
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	amnateeb: These are grammatical mistakes by a writer having degree in English! No, they aren't. The first case isn't incorrect at all, and the second is a matter of changing usage; while "they" is not considered acceptable as a gender-neutral pronoun by textbooks and some academics, this usage is growing in popularity and in justification. Using it when referring to a specific, identified individual in the sentence I corrected is silly, though. Once again, making invalid claims isn't the same thing as pointing out actual mistakes.

amnateeb	Writer	Feb 11, 12, 12:50PM \| #26
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	pheelyks: No, they aren't. The first case isn't incorrect at all, and the second is a matter of changing usage; while "they" is not considered acceptable as a gender-neutral pronoun by textbooks and some academics, this usage is growing in popularity and in justification. Using it when referring to a specific, identified individual in the sentence I corrected is silly, though. Once again, making invalid claims isn't the same thing as pointing out actual mistakes. You are wrong, illiterate monkey.

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 11, 12, 02:33PM \| #27
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,678	amnateeb: pheelyks: Even if this were true, he's still one up on you. NEWSFLASH: "Were" is correct, you f*cking idiot, because he is referring to a possible/hypothetical event, not one that actually occurred.

amnateeb	Writer	Edited by: amnateeb Feb 11, 12, 03:23PM \| #28
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	WritersBeware: NEWSFLASH: "Were" is correct, you fcking idiot, because he is referring to a possible/hypothetical event, not one that actually occurred. Earth to idiotic cretins. If "were" was correct, the next sentence should have been in past tense. For instance, "if that were correct, I would be still one up on him", because he was referring to a situation in past. The result could be present, if he was drawing a conclusion with his statement. How can it be that you haven't studied grammar? "Uneducated buffoon", WildBoar! Now go fck off. And regarding the use of "they", "the one" should be used in the sentence, if not "he/she".

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 11, 12, 03:39PM \| #29
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,678	amnateeb: If "were" was correct, the next sentence should have been in past tense. LMAO x3! 1. You made the exact same mistake AGAIN by using "was." You are referring to a HYPOTHETICAL situation, you uneducated nitwit. 2. In a subjunctive situation, the secondary sentence has no bearing whatsoever on the first sentence. 3. The "would be still one up on him" text in your "example" follow-up sentence is NOT past tense. However, your use of "would" is proper because you are referring to a hypothetical event that is attached to the subjunctive "were." Do yourself a favor by studying the subjunctive. This, my friends, is why uneducated, unqualified, ESL writers continue to damage the research industry.

amnateeb	Writer	Feb 11, 12, 03:57PM \| #30
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	WritersBeware: You made the exact same mistake AGAIN by using "was." You are referring to a HYPOTHETICAL situation, you uneducated nitwit. "Was" can also be used, and if you can understand, please consider the use of "should have been". I know what subjunctive mood is. WritersBeware: your use of "would" is proper because you are referring to a hypothetical event that is attached to the subjunctive "were." This is what I wanted to highlight. This industry needs proper use of English grammar, certainly not the one your goat, pheeleaks uses. WritersBeware: This, my friends, is why uneducated, unqualified, ESL writers continue to damage the research industry. Tell this to your goat pheeleaks by replacing "ESL writers" by "pheeleaks".

WritersBeware		Edited by: WritersBeware Feb 11, 12, 10:41PM \| #31
Joined: Apr 19, 07 Threads: 152 Posts: 8,678	amnateeb: "Was" can also be used You could use "was," "flapjack," or "banjo"—they'd all be wrong.

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 12, 12, 02:07AM \| #32
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	amnateeb: You are wrong, illiterate monkey. Source?

amnateeb	Writer	Edited by: amnateeb Feb 12, 12, 04:36AM \| #33
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	WritersBeware: You could use "was," "flapjack," or "banjo"—they'd all be wrong. pheelyks: Source? "Note: the verb to be can be specific in the if clause. If I were rich, I wouldn't work. If he were younger, he would marry her. (But was is also possible: If I was rich, I wouldn't work. If he was younger, he would marry her.) But: If I were you, I wouldn't do it. (In this expression, were is much more usual than was.)" from: http://www.e-grammar.org/if-clauses/ I really wish you could attend grammar classes. Two "uneducated buffoons", WildBoar and pheeleaks! If you don't agree, just go to hell, you idiots!

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 12, 12, 10:24AM \| #34
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	amnateeb: "Note: the verb to be can be specific in the if clause. If I were rich, I wouldn't work. If he were younger, he would marry her. (But was is also possible: If I was rich, I wouldn't work. If he was younger, he would marry her.) But: If I were you, I wouldn't do it. (In this expression, were is much more usual than was.)" from: http://www.e-grammar.org/if-clauses/ Your source says I was correct to use "were." So basically, I was right and you were wrong. Thanks for playing.

amnateeb	Writer	Feb 12, 12, 10:46AM \| #35
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	pheelyks: Your source says I was correct to use "were." So basically, I was right and you were wrong. Thanks for playing. You are an idiot. Really. ROTFLMAO..... hahahahahaha

pheelyks	Writer	Edited by: pheelyks Feb 12, 12, 10:52AM \| #36
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	amnateeb: You are an idiot. You're the one who told me I was wrong, then posted a source saying I was right. That kind of makes you the idiot here, amadweeb....

amnateeb	Writer	Feb 12, 12, 10:58AM \| #37
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	pheelyks: You're the one who told me I was wrong, then posted a source saying I was right. That kind of makes you the idiot here, amadweeb.... You can't understand logical arguments, and I can't help it! Lol!

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 12, 12, 11:01AM \| #38
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	amnateeb: You can't understand logical arguments You haven't made one yet. Instead of continuing to mock me when anyone reading this can clearly see you're a moron, do you want to take a second to explain how you think you're being logical here?

amnateeb	Writer	Feb 12, 12, 11:07AM \| #39
Joined: Dec 22, 11 Threads: 1 Posts: 315	pheelyks: You haven't made one yet. You haven't got any. pheelyks: Instead of continuing to mock me when anyone reading this can clearly see you're a moron, do you want to take a second to explain how you think you're being logical here? I have far better things to do than to engage in a debate with an illiterate monkey. Lol!

pheelyks	Writer	Feb 12, 12, 11:24AM \| #40
Joined: Jan 20, 09 Threads: 8 Posts: 3,836	amnateeb: I have far better things to do than to engage in a debate Basically, you know you're beaten, but you're just going to pretend you're not. A quick recap for anyone who's interested: -I began a sentence, "Even if that were true..." -amadweeb insisted "were" was incorrect and should have been "was" -I ask amadweeb to cite a source backing up his claim -amadweeb posts a source quite clearly saying "were" is preferred in many cases but that either word is correct -amadweeb pretends he proved his point when in fact his own source defeats his argument -I am left astounded by the willful ignorance of this assh*le

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