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Jun 9, 09, 05:38AM
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WritersBeware: "As used in this chapter, 'prepare' means to put into condition for intended use. 'Prepare' does not include the mere typing or assembling of papers, nor the mere furnishing of information or research."
According to... you. :P
The fact remains that The Paper Store, a "legit" American company was forced to give up at least 1 student to authorities because of these laws. That student would most likely never get to finish his degree.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 10:37AM
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WB, I read a lot more than I post on this forum. I am well aware of your presence in the forum, and while I greatly appreciate the information you present (often accompanied by links verifying your claims), I must respectfully disagree with your tone and way of handling people like EW (and others). EW has admitted to working for foreign companies, so it is easy to guess that he has ulterior motives for his postings, but I feel that a more measured and reasoned response provides both a more effective counter argument and hopefully clearer and better advice for new customers and writers.
EW, before you quote me out of context as if I'm on your side somehow, know that I am almost always in agreement with WB's sentiments, if not their expression. I do not believe you are honest, and you grossly misrepresent the situation regarding foreign companies. I am sure there are many ESL/EFL writers who perform quality work, but the companies themselves don't really care, and as a writer for them you must know this to be true.
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Jun 9, 09, 10:45AM
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pheelyks: EW, before you quote me out of context as if I'm on your side somehow, know that I am almost always in agreement with WB's sentiments, if not their expression.
Err... I'm not the "take out of context" guy, that's still WB. :p
pheelyks: but the companies themselves don't really care, and as a writer for them you must know this to be true.
Errr.. where did I ever say that companies cared? Look up my posts on how I describe essaywriters.net so you can read what I think of them as I don't have the time to elaborate now (gotta finish a few CVs before I get some rest). ^_^ See you tomorrow.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 10:52AM
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You imply that the companies care about the quality of their product in asserting that they provide the same quality of service as legitimate companies. Pretending to be dense does not help to make your case.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 10:53AM
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Interesting also how you (EW) fail to counter any of the salient points of my last remark.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 9, 09, 04:49PM
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pheelyks: I must respectfully disagree with your tone and way of handling people like EW (and others). EW has admitted to working for foreign companies, so it is easy to guess that he has ulterior motives for his postings, but I feel that a more measured and reasoned response provides both a more effective counter argument and hopefully clearer and better advice for new customers and writers.
With all due respect, you have 27 posts. I have nearly 3,000. You can't judge me until you have walked in my shoes. Have you been personally attacked with vulgar insults since 2007? I have been dealing with this crook's lies, deception, and smut-peddling for YEARS. How long would your patience last—after being constantly attacked and defamed—simply for posting the truth in an effort to protect consumers and freelance writers? Your suggestion that I be "nice" will not work. I've tried that approach. He simply gets frustrated and posts more lies. Approach does not matter—he (and those like him) are here for ONE reason—to condone, promote, and advance their fraud, regardless of the tone employed by their moral detractors.
pheelyks: nteresting also how you (EW) fail to counter any of the salient points of my last remark.
Welcome to an average debate with EW_writer. Can you see how just that is already wearing on your patience?
Check my responses to EW_writer's most recent smut:
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9_1092_0.html#msg16066
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Jun 9, 09, 05:02PM
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pheelyks: You imply that the companies care about the quality of their product in asserting that they provide the same quality of service as legitimate companies. Pretending to be dense does not help to make your case.
Now whose taking who out of context? :p My exact statement was that you cannot deny that bestessays does have good writers working for it, writers such as myself who does not scam customers but rather provide them with high quality products.
pheelyks: Interesting also how you (EW) fail to counter any of the salient points of my last remark.
What's there to counter? I agree with you about what you said regarding WB. Basically, the reason why I find so much fun posting against her is because of her attitude. I'm honest with my dealings with clients except that I don't reveal my true identity and location. I don't expect you to believe that and I don't really need you to do so. You didn't really elaborate on what I misrepresented about foreign companies so there's nothing to counter and I did address your last statement.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 05:32PM
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How many writers work for bestessays? Do you know that the rest of them are as good as you say you are (I'm sure the customers appreciate that you "does not scam" them)? at the risk of repeating myself again, I am sure there are good foreign writers, but there are also many bad ones, and the companies hire them all and pay them the same. THIS IS DISHONEST. Its pretty simple.
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Jun 9, 09, 05:44PM
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pheelyks: I'm sure the customers appreciate that you "does not scam" them
Hey.. my bad. I don't really proofread everything that I post here. :P I think we both know that this one error does not overshadow the writing prowess that I have so far demonstrated on this site.
pheelyks: How many writers work for bestessays? Do you know that the rest of them are as good as you say you are
How many writers work for American companies? Has anyone bothered to check if they are all as qualified as their site boasts them to be?
pheelyks: I am sure there are good foreign writers, but there are also many bad ones, and the companies hire them all and pay them the same. THIS IS DISHONEST. Its pretty simple.
True. However for essaywrtiers.net (and bestessays), the bad ones are usually booted out or discouraged almost as soon as they are hired. That's why so many of those losers end up bawling their frustrations on this forum. On the other hand, how selective are American companies in hiring their writers? The fact that they only hire Americans does not mean that everyone they hire is competent. As I understand, the hiring process for many of these companies is also set online so that makes it easy for ANYONE in the U.S. to apply.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 05:57PM
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EW_writer: for essaywrtiers.net (and bestessays), the bad ones are usually booted out or discouraged almost as soon as they are hired.
Why are they hired in the first place?
EW_writer: As I understand, the hiring process for many of these companies is also set online so that makes it easy for ANYONE in the U.S. to apply.
Yes, anyone may apply. But only qualified writers will be hired. It took months for the US company I work for to hire me after I applied; they are not desperate and can pick the best writers from their applicants/ I got a phone call from UVOCorp the day after I filled out their application, and was an "advanced writer" within a month. This illustrates the difference in how these companies operate.
EW_writer: pheelyks: I'm sure the customers appreciate that you "does not scam" them Hey.. my bad. I don't really proofread everything that I post here
This isn't an issue of proofreading; I make plenty of typos myself. This is an error in grammar that an educated native English speaker wouldn't have made in the first place.
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Jun 9, 09, 06:08PM
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pheelyks: This isn't an issue of proofreading; I make plenty of typos myself. This is an error in grammar that an educated native English speaker wouldn't have made in the first place.
Really? Did you see me using the wrong plurality of a verb elsewhere in this forum? ^_^
pheelyks: Why are they hired in the first place?
Heck yeah, why do you think they end up crying their hearts out on this forum after a few weeks?
pheelyks: Yes, anyone may apply. But only qualified writers will be hired.
What do you have to back this up, personal experience? Does this prove that American companies have significantly more qualified writers than foreign companies? Nope.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 06:19PM
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EW_writer: pheelyks: Why are they hired in the first place? Heck yeah, why do you think they end up crying their hearts out on this forum after a few weeks?
Still doesn't answer my question--bad writers shouldn't get to step one.
EW_writer: pheelyks: Yes, anyone may apply. But only qualified writers will be hired. What do you have to back this up, personal experience? Does this prove that American companies have significantly more qualified writers than foreign companies? Nope.
No, nothing really proves anything, and you can't prove a negative at all (its one of the most basic logical fallacies).
EW_writer: Really? Did you see me using the wrong plurality of a verb elsewhere in this forum? ^_^
First of all, whether or not you've made this mistake elsewhere, adding two letter to a word (especially two letters on the opposite side of the keyboard from the letter you should have stopped with) is a highly unusual--one might even hyperbolically say impossible--typo. Its a common grammatical error for non-native speakers, but shows a slip of the mind, not the hand.
Second, though the do/does difference is affected by plurality, that is not the issue in this case. "I" and "he" are both singular, but "I do" something whereas "he does" it. One of those weird idiosyncratic things in English that native speakers tend not to think about and ESL/EFL writers/speakers quite often (understandably) mix up.
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| WritersBeware |
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Jun 9, 09, 06:57PM
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EW_writer: My exact statement was that you cannot deny that bestessays does have good writers working for it
As evidenced in the Chronicle article, decent writers (outside of BURUNDI) leave EssayWriters.net due to horrendously low pay and the inability to live with themselves after having witnessed behind-the-scenes fraud and deception.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 9, 09, 07:01PM
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EW_writer: I'm honest with my dealings with clients except that I don't reveal my true identity and location.
Note the not-so-clever wording here. This is what disgusts me about EW_writer. Absolutely NOTHING that he types is fully honest and forthright. He's utterly incapable of complete honesty. The lines are blurred. He does not simply "not reveal" his true identity and location. He goes out of his way to outwardly LIE to potential consumers about his credentials. That's both morally wrong AND illegal—end of story. There is not a single excuse that could justify this fraud. I don't care if he hand-delivers a gold bar with each paper.
I'm still waiting for EW_writer to post his usernames at EW and EB so that I can personally critique his work (and his advertised fraud).
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 9, 09, 07:10PM
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pheelyks: I am sure there are good foreign writers, but there are also many bad ones, and the companies hire them all and pay them the same. THIS IS DISHONEST. Its pretty simple.
BINGO!
EW_writer believes that as long as a Ukrainian baker includes ONE fresh donut per dozen, that gives the baker the moral justification—and legal protection—to advertise, "Buy from us because we sell ONLY the freshest, American donuts!"
EW_writer's personal justification for supporting his employer's fraud:
"I'm a good, ESL writer. Despite the FACT that I constitute only about .002% of my fraudulent employer's advertised number of writers (500+) who spit out horribly-written, ESL papers, my employer has the right to claim that ALL (or even MOST) of the company's writers are the "best, native English-speaking, American experts with PhD degrees from American universities" simply because I am on staff."
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Edited by: EW_writer Jun 9, 09, 07:54PM
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pheelyks: Still doesn't answer my question--bad writers shouldn't get to step one.
True.
pheelyks: No, nothing really proves anything, and you can't prove a negative at all (its one of the most basic logical fallacies).
Exactly.
pheelyks: First of all, whether or not you've made this mistake elsewhere, adding two letter to a word (especially two letters on the opposite side of the keyboard from the letter you should have stopped with) is a highly unusual--one might even hyperbolically say impossible--typo. Its a common grammatical error for non-native speakers, but shows a slip of the mind, not the hand.
o.O? I don't think that your clients would appreciate you making these mistakes on your writings as well, right? Even if it's true that my error was because of my having English only as a second language (and I'm not saying that it is), that still does not discount the fact that I do know that I made a mistake and that I could have corrected that mistake easily if I proofread my work which is precisely what I do when I write for my clients. What I find peculiar is how you say that you're not against us competent foreign writers taking our share from the market and yet you continue to associate my mistake with my being a foreign writer. I can easily argue that your mistake of not putting an apostrophe where it should be is also a common ESL mistake.
WritersBeware: "I'm a good, ESL writer. Despite the FACT that I constitute only about .002% of my fraudulent employer's advertised number of writers (500+) who spit out horribly-written, ESL papers, my employer has the right to claim that ALL (or even MOST) of the company's writers are the "best, native English-speaking, American experts with PhD degrees from American universities" simply because I am on staff."
Wow... 0.002% huh... see here's where all the evidence showing stops and the tall stories begin. I'm pretty sure that I'm not the ONLY good writer that ew has. Anyone who reads the Chronicle article you provided would know this.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 07:59PM
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EW_writer: What I find peculiar is how you say that you're not against us competent foreign writers taking our share from the market and yet you continue to associate my mistake with my being a foreign writer.
Your mistake occurred because you are a foreign writer. There's no shame in it; I cannot write a grammatically correct sentence in any language other than English, but I also don;t claim to be an expert writer in any other languages.
EW_writer: I don't think that your clients would appreciate you making these mistakes on your writings as well, right?
I'm not sure what this means.
And there are some foreign sounding errors.
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 08:01PM
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pheelyks: also don;t claim
See there's a typo (one of my most common)--I accidentally hit a key that was right next to the key I was aiming for. I didn't type the longer word "doesn't." And no, I didn't do this for effect, but it did work out nicely.
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Jun 9, 09, 08:08PM
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pheelyks: See there's a typo (one of my most common)--I accidentally hit a key that was right next to the key I was aiming for. I didn't type the longer word "doesn't." And no, I didn't do this for effect, but it did work out nicely.
pheelyks: Its a common grammatical error for non-native speakers
Did you also "accidentally hit a key that was right next to the key (you were) aiming for" here? :p
Making mistakes is nothing to be ashamed about, period. ^_^
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Jun 9, 09, 08:12PM
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EW_writer: What do you have to back this up, personal experience? Does this prove that American companies have significantly more qualified writers than foreign companies? Nope.
I could provide you with a virtually endless stream of proof that your employer's writers consistently deliver CRAP to customers. The evidence is all over the Internet. There's a huge difference between a legitimate, American company going out of its way to please the occasionally upset customer and a foreign ripoff company employing outright fraud and deception as the cornerstone of its business model—and then offering only a 30% refund when BUSTED!
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 9, 09, 08:12PM
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EW_writer: pheelyks: Its a common grammatical error for non-native speakers Did you also "accidentally hit a key that was right next to the key (you were) aiming for" here? :p
If you're referring to the missing apostrophe in "it's," then no, I did not it the wrong key. Apparently I missed hitting the key altogether or didn't hit it hard enough. This is generally the case when there are too few characters, rather than too many.
EW_writer: Making mistakes is nothing to be ashamed about, period.
Very true. What's your point?
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 9, 09, 08:20PM
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EW_writer: Wow... 0.002% huh... see here's where all the evidence showing stops and the tall stories begin. I'm pretty sure that I'm not the ONLY good writer that ew has. Anyone who reads the Chronicle article you provided would know this.
Really? What's inaccurate? The number of writers? The percentage? The fact that you have repeatedly bragged about being the "best writer" at both EssayWriters.net and EB? The fact that at least two of the writers referenced in the article have already QUIT due to low pay (which kind of makes you look like a complete idiot for using their employment as justification for claiming that EssayWriters.net employs "quality" writers)? The fact that I already pointed out the weaknesses of the other writers referenced in the article? Be specific, please.
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Jun 9, 09, 08:22PM
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pheelyks: Your mistake occurred because you are a foreign writer. There's no shame in it; I cannot write a grammatically correct sentence in any language other than English, but I also don;t claim to be an expert writer in any other languages.
Bingo!
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Jun 9, 09, 08:28PM
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pheelyks: Apparently I missed hitting the key altogether or didn't hit it hard enough.
Riiight....
Look, I've really got no time to argue with you. You say that foreign companies should shape up and stop hiring unqualified writers. I agree. You say you understand that competent foreign writers such as myself have no other option but to work for foreign companies given the strict employment regulations in the states that American companies have to abide with. Great. You say I made that error in my writing because I'm ESL. I disagree but don't really see why I should argue any further. ^_^
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Jun 9, 09, 08:30PM
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WritersBeware: The fact that I already pointed out the weaknesses of the other writers referenced in the article? Be specific, please.
I don't need to explain anything. Students who read the article you gave would see exactly what I mean. Have a nice day. :P
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Jun 9, 09, 08:43PM
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COWARD! Run away, tail between your legs, as usual! Don't forget to come back shortly, perhaps in another thread, to claim victory.
LMAO!
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Jun 10, 09, 04:08AM
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WritersBeware: COWARD! Run away, tail between your legs, as usual! Don't forget to come back shortly, perhaps in another thread, to claim victory.
EW_writer: I don't need to explain anything. Students who read the article you gave would see exactly what I mean. Have a nice day. :P
^_^
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Jun 10, 09, 12:25PM
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pheelyks: I am sure there are many ESL/EFL writers who perform quality work, but the companies themselves don't really care
With reference to the Ukranian gangsters - not only don't they care, they would not know quality if it hit them in the face. Essay site owners such as Mizyuk and Vitchenko can barely write a sensical sentence and their admin staff are nothing other than a disaster. How can people who barely speak English and are incapable of understanding the simplest of sentences judge quality?
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Jun 10, 09, 01:18PM
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WritersBeware: COWARD! Run away, tail between your legs, as usual! Don't forget to come back shortly, perhaps in another thread, to claim victory. LMAO! |
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| pheelyks |
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Jun 10, 09, 01:21PM
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Very true, OR. This is the prime reason that I have faced so many disputes working for UVO; a customer will request additional info after the paper is turned in and they don;t have a staff that recognize when I fulfilled the original oder description.
I just screwed myself out of $100 by swearing at them in an email and publishing a paper online; they've disabled my account (again, and this time probably for good) and won't respond to emails. Small price to pay if I can ward off future customers and writers from this inept crooks.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 10, 09, 01:36PM
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Pheelyks, the following post may interest you:
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9_33_4.html#msg6199
Were you aware that they also operate a PLAGIARISM-DETECTION site?
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Jun 10, 09, 02:16PM
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pheelyks: I cannot write a grammatically correct sentence in any language other than English, but I also don;t claim to be an expert writer in any other languages.
Good one :) You really hit the nail on the head. One doesn't have to be a native speaker to take up writing in English as a profession but THEIR ENGLISH MUST BE AS GOOD AS A NATIVE'S.
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