| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 07:14AM
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hi; I am relatively new to the boards.
I just wanted to post my frustration about essaywriters.net. they started out vaguely OK, but then they suddenly started fining ridiculous amounts. for example, if a customer gave impossible or unrealistic demands for a revision, and I reassigned the paper, they started fining me the full amount of the paper. the result was not a zero balance; the whole amount of the paper was docked, and then docked again as a penalty! it's unreal. after I found out that they were not going to change the policy, I quit.
after a couple months, I heard EW was under new management, so I re-joined. it's the same as, or worse than, before. I thought I'd give it second chance, so I did about $70 worth of super-easy papers. now, due to fraudulent number-crunching and ridiculous fines, they have me working for practically nothing. I guess I'll have to deactivate my account again. their fines are totally out of control!
the CS staff at EW is full of poisonous idiots, too. scumbags. the one marginally helpful CSR at their phone number, Raymond, lies very politely. I should say, these were not low-quality papers or one-offs.
my advice to anyone reading this is to stay away from essaywriters.net. they are looking for slaves, and you're not a slave.
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| EW_writer |
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Jun 17, 09, 09:22AM
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I feel for you, brother. I've plodded my way through years of what you've described and fought penalty after penalty. Plus I agree, they have far too many bad Susans (you have, Susans too, I presume). May I ask you a question though? If you're from Canada, why did you consider writing for EW in the first place? From what I've gathered from this site, you have access to sites that have no choice but give better pay.
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| WriterJohn |
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Jun 17, 09, 09:48AM
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yes, fines are a bit off but I still manage making $1800 per month with essaywriters.net
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 01:27PM
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EW Writer--
I'm not sure what my nationality has to do with much. but when I started working for essaywriters.net, they hardly fined at all, and the pay was a lot better. they have gone seriously downhill. really, when it comes down to it, "the **** you choose to live through is the **** you choose to take." I can't take it anymore.
I do work for a bunch of other places that pay a lot better than essaywriters, fine maybe five bucks every once in a while, and have infinitely more polite and attentive CS staffers.
John--
I can't imagine putting all of my eggs in their basket and putting that much money on the line for them-- are you a gambling man?
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 17, 09, 02:04PM
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Rustyironchains, EssayWriters.net's fraudulent supporters in this forum justify the disgusting fines by claiming that "the writer deserved it because he/she plagiarized or is just a horrible writer." Would you disagree with their excuse?
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 17, 09, 02:23PM
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You can read worldwide complaints about undeserved fines imposed by EssayWriters.net.
You can also click here to read complaints posted only in this forum (essayscam.org) so that you may interact with those who share your plight.
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| EW_writer |
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Jun 17, 09, 03:56PM
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rustyironchains: I'm not sure what my nationality has to do with much. but when I started working for essaywriters.net, they hardly fined at all, and the pay was a lot better.
What year was this? I wish I was already around during this time.
rustyironchains: I do work for a bunch of other places that pay a lot better than essaywriters, fine maybe five bucks every once in a while, and have infinitely more polite and attentive CS staffers.
Really? If you read through this site you'll find that many of the writers from the US claim that the companies they work for pay like several times more than EW. I have always assumed that they were telling the truth but have never had any way of knowing since the sites they mention don't hire from Asian/African countries. I was interested in your country of origin coz since you're in Canada, you would have access to the same websites as the people that I'm talking about.
rustyironchains: when it comes down to it, "the **** you choose to live through is the **** you choose to take." I can't take it anymore.
Yeah... good for you. I still can, although I've learned my way through the system well enough to avoid getting fined so often. Still happens every once in a while though, like when clients give negative feedback that they claim I can't refute no matter how much I justify that the feedback isn't warranted.
WriterJohn: yes, fines are a bit off but I still manage making $1800 per month with essaywriters.net
Cool. I make only half as much from them nowadays. Hey.. are you really from the U.S. like your profile says?
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 17, 09, 05:07PM
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WritersBeware: Rustyironchains, EssayWriters.net's fraudulent supporters in this forum justify the disgusting fines by claiming that "the writer deserved it because he/she plagiarized or is just a horrible writer." Would you disagree with their excuse that you either plagiarized or have terrible writing skills? |
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 05:26PM
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WB, do you or did you actually work for any of these companies?
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 05:28PM
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I plagiarize myself all the ******* time.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 05:32PM
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my profile says I'm from Ukraine. I'm a secret agent from Ukraine; I'm here to get intelligence on the message board users, and report it to my shadowy, Ukrainian bosses. don't tell anyone, OK?
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 05:34PM
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the Cold War is over
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 17, 09, 06:19PM
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rustyironchains: WB, do you or did you actually work for any of these companies?
I'm sorry, but I do not answer questions that I have already answered numerous times, in great detail, in this forum.
I'm just going to ignore the childishness in your previous posts. Obviously, you are taking my question the wrong way. Allow me to repeat:
Did EssayWriters.net legitimately fine you for being a cheating plagiarizer of others' intellectual property or simply for being incompetent and void of writing skills?
I am asking this genuine question because the fraudulent supporters of EssayWriters.net in this forum claim those to be the only two reasons why writers get fined and that all writers who come here to complain about getting ripped off by EssayWriters.net are just "incompetent, angry losers and cheaters who deserve to have their earnings taken away." Do you disagree with their excuse, or do you have a problem with them framing you in such a manner?
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 10:18PM
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I asked you a question.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 10:25PM
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anyway, we need to support their local mafia opposition, is my overall point.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 17, 09, 10:27PM
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we need to unite as a global proletariat, and accomplish our objectives by all means necessary.
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| WritersBeware |
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Jun 17, 09, 10:41PM
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rustyironchains: anyway, we need to support their local mafia opposition, is my overall point.
Oh, wait, I forgot—you think that you're quirky, talented, and funny.
Thanks for making people's decision to completely ignore you an easy one.
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| EW_writer |
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Jun 17, 09, 11:20PM
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WritersBeware: I'm sorry, but I do not answer questions that I have already answered numerous times, in great detail, in this forum.
TRANSLATION: Duh... why do you think I'm always around?
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 18, 09, 06:55AM
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thanks for making my thread a spiteful nerd fest, and ignoring both the topic and my questions.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 18, 09, 06:58AM
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we need to go out and organize and protest together as the global proletariat; we are being mistreated by unrealistic fine structures in an obviously corrupt accounting structure, in which refunds are also fabricated. no company should have the right to do this to their employees; it is not an accepted feature of advanced capitalism.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 18, 09, 06:59AM
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storm their buildings! let the local mafia sort it out. together, we are strong.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 20, 09, 09:05AM
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check this out: this is from essaywriters.net.
"Topic: The American social/economic sytem is set up against minorities, esecially Black Americans
Files: 1
Messages: 24 Research Paper May 28 2009 20:26 Order is refunded
Feedbacks: 0 67.50 $-80.5 not paid"
notice the (-$80.50): that's how much I'm being fined. what you can't see from this snippet is, that this was originally a $50 paper, which I got a $17 bonus on. then, out of the blue, essaywriters.net told me that the paper was plagiarized, so the customer was refunded. I'm still not sure why the fine exceeds the original value of the paper by about thirty bucks.
I checked their turnitin report, and all of the "plagiarism" was in-text citations! it was all in quotation marks... ?!?!
anyway, my one consolation is that, since I've quit, they'll never get this outrageous fine. I could kick myself for giving them a second chance.
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| undertow2 |
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Jun 20, 09, 05:54PM
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rustyironchains: we need to go out and organize and protest together as the global proletariat
Agreed. The proletariat really need to support the rights of scammers and cheats.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 21, 09, 07:39AM
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no, I mean that we need to support the rights of writers, vs. scammers and cheats who don't know late-stage capitalism from advanced capitalism (screw the customer, not the worker!).
unified, we are stronger, but only one of us gets to drive the forklift through their offices.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 26, 09, 09:21AM
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I have officially quit essaywriters.net.
on the same day, I have resolved a communication dispute at academia-research.com, in which I was first accused, and then cleared, of plagiarism. the staff there were generally understanding and nice about the process, and seemed truly sorry about their mistake. essaywriters.net, on the other hand, used plagiarism as a weapon, gave me the cold shoulder, and never listened to a word I said (their machine had picked up quotations as "plagiarism").
between the two, it is like night and day.
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| OxbridgeResearchers |
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Jun 26, 09, 09:30AM
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rustyironchains: academia-research.com
you will be back here crying before long. Sean is nice, as are Jessica and Melissa. Alex Wesson (real name Alexey Vitchenko), the owner, is nothing but a fraudster. Don't rely on them too much for income and, genuine word of advice, try to find a more authentic company, one which appreciates its writers and is straightforward with them ...
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 26, 09, 09:47AM
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I may very well be crying about academia-research.com next. it's always in the back of my mind, with anyone in this crappy industry, that they are trying to rip me off. I don't know why some of you expect anything more. this is not a pie in the sky kind of industry, and when a pie in the sky situation comes up, the company usually goes under pretty quickly. I had a contractor in Manhattan who paid me $20 per page, flat rate. it was great, until a couple of months later, the company was defunct.
my point is, in terms of choosing between evils, academia-research.com is a lot better than essaywriters.net, because they are actually capable of listening to their writers. they have proven this to me; your innuendo and prophetic warnings cannot provide the same proof.
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Jun 26, 09, 11:13AM
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rustyironchains: they have proven this to me; your innuendo and prophetic warnings cannot provide the same proof.
How does this sound ... 3 years, hundreds upon hundreds of projects completed, last year there averaged min 3k per month with them; last 8 months alone accumulated 511 reward points. So, not trying to be a prophet here but simply tried to tell you that they are only seemingly better than the others. You seem like a decent person who has already been burnt before so was trying to tell you to be careful. However, you do not want to hear that so will not volunteer again ... To each his own
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| WriterJohn |
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Jun 26, 09, 11:22AM
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Nothing is fair, life is not fair. essaywriters.net - I have an account with them as well, fines used to be crazy, fair but crazy BUT! - now their fines were reconsidered. FInes were reduced by 50+ % with essaywriters.net
Now it's just like any other company out there.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 26, 09, 01:18PM
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WriterJohn-- wtg, good post. I like your style. but why would essaywriters.net stop fining their writers double for fake refunds? it's a good scam from their standpoint. they get 100% back again on a fake refund, at the writer's expense. I wouldn't change that; what are they thinking, reducing fines?! is this true?
Oxbridge-- I'm not trying to like provoke you by saying that you can't predict the future. I'm just saying, I'm happy with academia-research.com, right now. and, you mentioned, "hundreds and hundreds of projects, etc. etc.?" what are you, some kind of wise owl? keep it to yourself, please, wise owl, shame on you!
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 26, 09, 01:20PM
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"reward points" please. they mean nothing; all you have to do is make Premium. bragging about your reward points. really.
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Jun 26, 09, 01:39PM
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WriterJohn: Now it's just like any other company out there.
The companies I work for don't fine me at all--I've never been paid a penny less than promised. The really good companies don't hire writers that screw up, so they have no reason to implement fines.
I don't mean, by the way, that you or rusty DO screw up, but obviously the companies you work for have writers that consistently make mistakes, or the fine system would have no legitimate basis. That is, the fines would be in place ONLY to serve the administrators'/owners' greed...
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| OxbridgeResearchers |
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Jun 26, 09, 01:41PM
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rustyironchains: all you have to do is make Premium.
of course i was premium. Again, was answering a question you raised when you said I was speculating. As mentioned in my previous post, in light of your attitude, will not address any of your posts, since you are not interested in responses
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Jun 26, 09, 01:48PM
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pheelyks: The really good companies don't hire writers that screw up, so they have no reason to implement fines.
thank you pheelyks! That is precisely it. The recruitment process has to be more thorough, leaving no room for screw-ups. If a company is lax and hires a writer whose English is poor and/or does not have the requisite academic qualifications - it is really the company's fault, not the writer's. And if less than adequate writers are assigned work after they submitted less than quality work on a previous order, the company should not fine the writer. It assigned him/her the work despite knowing that s/he was incapable! Recruiting good writers, reliable writers - and then holding on to these writers - is what should be done.
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| rustyironchains |
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Jun 26, 09, 03:07PM
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fining is ridiculous; they are already making a 60% profit, at the very least, on every order. there is no reason to be a pig, and no excuse for it.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jun 26, 09, 03:10PM
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pheelyks: The companies I work for don't fine me at all--I've never been paid a penny less than promised. The really good companies don't hire writers that screw up, so they have no reason to implement fines. I don't mean, by the way, that you or rusty DO screw up, but obviously the companies you work for have writers that consistently make mistakes, or the fine system would have no legitimate basis. That is, the fines would be in place ONLY to serve the administrators'/owners' greed...
BINGO!
I may have to start a new thread to address the issue of "fines." I think that writers will find the information and resulting discussion quite useful and informative. Namely, I'd like to expand upon the commercial (and often dishonest) reasoning behind fines.
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| OxbridgeResearchers |
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Jun 26, 09, 03:25PM
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WritersBeware: issue of "fines."
yes do. While personally opposed to fines as companies should take responsibility if they hire unqualified writers, the practice is hardly a disciplinary one anymore. Instead, it is a strategy designed to ensure that writers are paid less than initially agreed-upon.
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Jun 27, 09, 12:23AM
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rustyironchains: fining is ridiculous; they are already making a 60% profit, at the very least, on every order. there is no reason to be a pig, and no excuse for it.
Amen.
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| jack007 |
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Dec 10, 09, 09:43AM
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Nobody wants to eat its essays, so it's lashing out.
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| rustyironchains |
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Dec 10, 09, 08:10PM
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I am like a fat python that has gorged on capibaras. there is the eye of the hurricane soon. essaywriters.net is a pit of corrupt nobodys who scam their writers as well as their customers. it is a company run by greedy illiterate morons. it is like a low hanging fruit awaiting takeover by its local mafia rivals, led by the team of writers here at essayscam.org. who speaks Ukrainian?
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