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Jul 5, 10, 07:41AM
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MOST of the so-called regular writers on this site are either non-native speakers that claim they are; fraudsters that post projects, assign them to themselves and then give themselves 100% positive feedback; people that think they have mastered the art of clever plagiarism but could only fool the most gullible of buyers; people that copy shamelessly from other writers...
I have been writing for this company for a while now and had actually enjoyed it for the most part at least till fairly recently. These days, MOST of the projects that are posted are fake projects, projects posted by other writers so that they can lie about their feedback and cheat potential buyers. The result is: they get perfect feedback (which is better than some actually genuine writers get) and because they are from countries where our money has more 'value', they bid ridiculously low and get assigned even the genuine projects. Finally, the client receives a plagiarised essay that is full of grammatical errors and never comes back.
Some of the writers on this site are scary. There are writers who copy other writers' bid messages. For those of you who are not familiar with the site, a bid message is a message that appears in every bid you make. It is a summary of your qualifications, what you offer or what you think makes a good essay. How can two writers have almost identical bid messages? It gets worse and scarier.
Just as buyers leave feedback for writers, writers also leave feedback for buyers. Some writers actually copy the feedback that other writers have left for other buyers and leave them for their own buyers. What kind of writer can not string together a few words about a buyer they have worked with? It gets even worse.
Some writers post essays, assign them to themselves and then give themselves 100% feedback (99.9% as no one ever gets 100%). Some think they are clever so they give themselves slightly lower scores. Some of these writers actually copy and paste feedback that other writers have received and pass them off as their own. I mean whole paragraphs of feedback. In one case, the buyer used the original writer's name within the text of the feedback and this fake writer copied that as well. That is the level of stupidity of some of these people. One particular writer supposedly wrote a 50,000 word essay for free; another completed an essay in 15minutes, at least that is what the feedback from the "buyer" says; another was miraculously assigned 7 essays in the space of 10 minutes by 3 different buyers; and it goes on. The last two are acually ranked in the top 10 on Essaybay at the moment.
What I do not understand is how Essaybay can allow this to go on. If I can see this, then surely they can too. If they cared at all about their clients and other writers, these people would have been removed from the books but no, instead they prevent genuine writers from getting work and then succeed in driving genuine buyers away for good and proving the critics on this site right.
Yes I am upset. I am a good and honest writer and I need the extra money I make from writing and actually enjoy it. I have not gotten any work in ages yet some of these people get as many as 2 a day.
Essaybay need to remove the "no more fraud" etc parts from their site. It is the most fraudulent behaviour enabling and tolerating site I have ever seen. They do not care about genuine writers and they sutre as hell do not care about their clients.
There! Rant over! (for now anyway).
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Jul 5, 10, 07:57AM
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Hey Biblio, I really appreciate your feedback. I can get somebody to look into those fraudulent accounts and perhaps ban anybody engaging in fraudulent practises, but I need you to email me with your concerns, including usernames and links before I can do so. You can find the admin email address on the Essaybay site.
Thanks,
Carly, Academic Answers.
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Jul 5, 10, 08:06AM
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Sorry Carly but I have sent COUNTLESS emails amd so have my friends. Essaybay have done nothing about any of these emails.
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Edited by: Carly Jul 5, 10, 08:12AM
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Really? I'm sorry to hear that nothing has been done before, but I can assure you this WILL get sorted out today.
I've personally just nipped into the room next door to talk to our customer service guys and I've asked them to keep an eye out for an email from you, which they're to action straight away. I've also forwarded your post on to our development team, who are currently working on the plan and programming for the new Essaybay system and design. This is so they can ensure this kind of score-manipulating behaviour isn't able to take place in the future and I've asked them to think about foolproof measures to factor in, so people can't 'game' the system.
Please can you send the email, with any evidence you have contained within, and mark it for the attention of Laura and Edd. Laura is working through the Essaybay emails right now and Edd is the manager of the team - like I say, they're going to check through the accounts now for you and take action on your complaints. The email is on the Essaybay contact page (you have to replace [at] for the @ sign, obviously.)
I really do want this problem resolved for you, as you say it's unfair to those working hard on the site.
Thanks,
Carly.
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Jul 5, 10, 08:37AM
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OK I will. Here goes...
By the way, thank you very much for replying Carly. I apologise If I was rude. It's the frustration talking. I really like Essaybay. For one, I like the one-on-one communication with clients and the fact that you do not have to wait till the end of the month to get paid. I really hope it all gets sorted. Thanks again
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Jul 5, 10, 09:47AM
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That's OK, I'd be frustrated too. Like I say, I'm pretty shocked myself that nobody has responded to your emails or sorted this out before now for you. Let's hope this gets sorted today.
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Jul 5, 10, 12:56PM
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I agree with you, this issue should be investigated but...
Biblio: MOST of the so-called regular writers on this site are either non-native speakers that claim they are
How do you know that they are non-native?? Couldn't they be native English who cannot write???
I cannot understand such prejudice!
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Jul 5, 10, 01:12PM
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No Fricative. It is not prejudice. It is not difficult to spot a non-native writer. There is a difference between a badly written paper and one that is written by someone who thinks in a different language and then translates to English. The latter could actually produce a well written paper but some of the word arrangements would seem awkward to a native speaker.
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Jul 5, 10, 01:38PM
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And what happens if the "non-native" actually thinks in English because he/she has lived for a long time in the UK?
What happens if he/she actually does not translate from his/her L1 but comes out naturally?
And what about Jamaicans, or those from India or Pakistan? Don't they think in English either?? They are still foreigners I guess...Colonial prejudices?
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jul 5, 10, 01:59PM
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fricative: I cannot understand such prejudice!
One cannot be prejudice against writing.
We have beaten this topic to death a million times in this forum. Your selfish, money-hungry, customer-misleading argument is asinine.
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Jul 5, 10, 02:09PM
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fricative: And what happens if the "non-native" actually thinks in English because he/she has lived for a long time in the UK? What happens if he/she actually does not translate from his/her L1 but comes out naturally? And what about Jamaicans, or those from India or Pakistan? Don't they think in English either?? They are still foreigners I guess...Colonial prejudices?
Nobody gives a damn where you're from or what language you think that you think in. If there were no differences in language use that are obvious to native English speakers, nobody would care whether or not a writer is ESL or native English-speaking. The differences are obvious to us and that's the only reason anybody cares. Nobody's criticizing ESL intelligence, ESL educational qualifications, or even ESL writing abilities in English; but most American students don't want even a well-researched, substantively well-written paper that sounds like it was written by an ESL. If you ESLs could understand why your use of English is obviously different to a native ear, maybe you'd be able to sound more like a native in your writing. You don't understand because can't hear it; that's the problem and that's why nobody wants an ESL writer who fails to disclose that he's ESL. If there's no difference, how do you think we always know immediately that something was written by ESLs?
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Jul 5, 10, 02:37PM
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FreelanceWriter: Nobody gives a damn where you're from or what language you think that you think in. If there were no differences in language use that are obvious to native English speakers, nobody would care whether or not a writer is ESL or native English-speaking. The differences are obvious to us and that's the only reason anybody cares. Nobody's criticizing ESL intelligence, ESL educational qualifications, or even ESL writing abilities in English; but most American students don't want even a well-researched, substantively well-written paper that sounds like it was written by an ESL. If you ESLs could understand why your use of English is obviously different to a native ear, maybe you'd be able to sound more like a native in your writing. You don't understand because can't hear it; that's the problem and that's why nobody wants an ESL writer who fails to disclose that he's ESL. If there's no difference, how do you think we always know immediately that something was written by ESLs?
FW, thanks for typing exactly what I was thinking.
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Jul 5, 10, 09:20PM
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WritersBeware: One cannot be prejudice against writing
I guess you meant "to be prejudiced"...
FreelanceWriter: If you ESLs could understand why your use of English is obviously different to a native ear, maybe you'd be able to sound more like a native in your writing
If you weren't so patronizing and belittling probably you would be writing novels and not stupid essays for academic losers.
Enjoy your life as a "novelist" dear Mr. Dickens. I'll try my best to emulate Cervantes :-)...in English, of course!!
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jul 6, 10, 02:10AM
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fricative: I guess you meant "to be prejudice d"...
Oh, the desperate . . . .
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Jul 6, 10, 05:03AM
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fricative: If you weren't so patronizing and belittling probably you would be writing novels
Case in point: As a native English speaker, from the UK, I'd have written
If you weren't so patronising and belittling, you'd probably be writing novels... etc
'Probably you would be' doesn't sound right at all...
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Jul 6, 10, 06:24AM
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Carly: doesn't sound right at all...
I am "non-native" therefore, I don't sound right at all...
Keep correcting me, you are a source of wisdom!
Anyway, my point is that I will not try to get into your market (native English Speakers) because I don't sound "native".
Trust me, I really agree with you in that sense and I think that non-native English speakers should not write for native English students.
In the same way, I wouldn't like to hand in an essay at Uni written by a native English speaker because my teacher would realize straight away that it's not mine. I'd choose a literate non-native speaker to not arouse suspicion.
So, you've got your market and I've got mine.
Thanks a lot to all of you for convincing me to write custom essays! You've been my motivation!
Ahhh, and congratulations for your books!! Keep up the good work ;-)!!
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Jul 8, 10, 03:18AM
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Biblio
i am one of great writers as essaybay who is non-native- i have worked with essaybay for a year down the line. my feedback from customers have been genuine and among the best ( i can prove this). i really understand what my friend BIBLIO is arguing about but very contrary to some of his/her arguments.
For example BIBLIO has quoted "and because they are from countries where our money has more 'value', they bid ridiculously low and get assigned". i am very much contrary to this.What BIBLIO need to understand is that esaybay is "WORLD MARKETPLACE FOR CUSTOM ESSAYS".Everyone has liberty to bid any amount he/she may wish.
BIBLIO you seem to be frustrated since your competitors are bidding to low-i am one of the writers who bid very low-but i purely produce high quality and original work- many of the customers have highly recommended me.So i have no reason why you should argue that low bidders just copy-paste the work to clients.
In conclusion BIBLIO,i only agree with you on the issue of false feedback-On the other matters i find that you are just minding your fundamental interest in context to explore the CUSTOMERS at essay-bay with huge prices.There are other ways to generate income other than freelancing my friend.
all the best.
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Jul 8, 10, 03:37AM
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WHY I PREFER ESSAYBAY.COM-WORLD MARKET PLACE FOR CUSTOM PAPERS
WHY YOU SHOULD PREFER ESSAYBAY A 100 TIMES MORE THAN ANY OTHER FREELANCE COMPANY:ESSAYBAY STAND TO BE A LEGITIMATE COMPANY.
WHY ESSAYBAY:
CHOOSE YOUR WRITER - based on their fee, experience, qualifications, feedback from other buyers and guarantees that they offer. No other essay company gives you this opportunity.
COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH YOUR WRITER - through the safety of the EssayBay website. Everything is recorded so there's no problem if there's a dispute about communications in the future.
USE OUR DISPUTE RESOLUTION SERVICE - if you're not happy. We've been dealing with writers and buyers for nearly 5 years now in the custom essay market. Our team includes a trained Barrister and Fellow of the Institute of Legal Executives, together with numerous customer support staff with years of experience. Whatever the problem is, we can help you solve it.
LEAVE FEEDBACK - this is the key to EssayBay - not only can you read feedback that other buyers have left but you can also leave feedback about your own writer. This makes the system totally transparent.
WHERE ELSE IF NOT AT ESSAY-BAY.WRITERS ARE EXTREMELY EXPERIENCED.
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Jul 8, 10, 04:14AM
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I'd really like to point out, before anybody says, this is not advertising from us. I assume, Karibu, that you're an Essaybay writer?
The text you've 'written' up there is actually pasted from our site....
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Jul 8, 10, 07:04AM
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i am one of the esaybay writers.
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Jul 8, 10, 07:07AM
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karibu
I mean, obviously I appreciate the free publicity you're trying to give EssayBay (I work for AA that owns EssayBay) but it is against the forum's rules.
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Jul 8, 10, 07:10AM
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i apologize for that-i was not aware-i stand to be corrected.
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Jul 8, 10, 07:31AM
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Carl, can i have have you email address--we need to discuss some essaybay issues (not open to public)-i have tried to contact the admin for a month but no reply.
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Jul 8, 10, 08:10AM
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Yes, you can email me through the EssayScam system by clicking on my name.
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Jul 8, 10, 12:39PM
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Carly, I'm quite impressed with EssayBay's talent level. NOT! You guys should be ashamed—seriously.
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Jul 9, 10, 05:28PM
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Carly: That's OK, I'd be frustrated too. Like I say, I'm pretty shocked myself that nobody has responded to your emails or sorted this out before now for you. Let's hope this gets sorted today.
Were you able to sort this out already, Carly? I sent admin@essaybay.com several emails regarding the fake feedback that writers on the site have been generating as well but all they told me was that they were currently working on the matter. That was at least a week ago and yet as pointed out by Biblio, at least one of the fakers is still up there on the top writers list. Also, you really should consider factoring in the volume of work completed when posting your top list of writers. Several competent writers were bumped off the list despite having many more feedback reports than many other writers on the list.
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Jul 12, 10, 07:59PM
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didn't mean to interfere here but I couldn't help my self to ask about essaybay as this is very important to me,
based on what Biblio have said, and that I dont want to end up with a fraudulent writer, I have requested a major project in economics, can anyone recommend a non fake and a decent writer that is know to be able to provide a decent writing in essaybay,
if this is against the rules then please PM me,
much appreciation
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Jul 12, 10, 11:53PM
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Muntazir!
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Edited by: Carly Jul 13, 10, 11:17AM
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EW_writer: Were you able to sort this out already, Carly?
I've just been informed that Martin has gone through all the emails from the EssayBay writers that have complained about other 'writers' gaming the system.
Today, he's reviewed all the accounts that have been mentioned and has suspended any that are fraudulent.
I just want to say to EssayBay writers: please keep reporting fraudulent writers. I promise these are being investigated now.
I've also just been told that some of our programmers are going to work 'overtime' and try to fix the 'gaming' problem over the next couple of weeks. I'm not sure on the specifics on this yet, I will post more when I know more.
Carly.
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Jul 14, 10, 04:05PM
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Nice job, Carly. Regarding fixing the problem permanently, there really is a simple solution: don't allow clients to post feedback before they make an escrow payment. Of course, writers may still theoretically be able to make ridiculously low bids on projects they created with dummy accounts and actually pay for such projects to be able to post feedback for themselves. However, that would cost them money and make actual clients demand the same dirt cheap rates from them.
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Jul 15, 10, 03:48AM
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EW_writer: Nice job, Carly. Regarding fixing the problem permanently, there really is a simple solution: don't allow clients to post feedback before they make an escrow payment. Of course, writers may still theoretically be able to make ridiculously low bids on projects they created with dummy accounts and actually pay for such projects to be able to post feedback for themselves. However, that would cost them money and make actual clients demand the same dirt cheap rates from them.
This is a good solution, I'll pass it on to the team to mull over :)
Thanks,
Carly
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Jul 16, 10, 02:18AM
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I have gone through the arguments of Mr. Biblio and the whole discussion on his comments. I have also read the comments of Carly who is representing EssayBay. I am of the view that the company is paying favour to the Biblio. The question raised by Biblio that people from other parts of world, who are bidding at the lowest rates should be discouraged has no legal sense.
1. In an open market competition is the basic factor of the marketing. When you allow many products in a market it means you want to give an opportunity to the customer to get the qualitative and cheapest product of his own choice. If you discourage competition it means you want monopoly of some persons. If some writers are bidding at cheapest rates and they are giving the quality work to the customers then there is no valid reason to raise objection on their work, on the basis of native and non-native issue. The skill//ability is not property of any person and you can not stop any one from working in open market. If EssayBay don't want services of non-native writers it should be mentioned clearly in its terms and conditions that non native persons should not apply for registration. Once a company is allowing registration to all writers then there is no sense to suspend their accounts on a complaint of a single person. I want to mention clearly in the interest of essaybay if they will follow policy of native and non native their company will sink soon. Because EssayBay is not only a company offering writing services but there are many other companies providing same facilities on the internet. Customers are not bound to give their projects at heavy rates to the native writers . They will go to another website that is offering same services at cheapest rates. The change in essaybay policy will affect its own business.
2. On the complaint of Biblio ( A new writer registered few weeks ago ) accounts of many senior writers have been suspended and number of these writers can be 100, 200 or may be 500 writers. Lets suppose if 500 writers have been suspended and if each writer has 2-3 orders in pending it mean at least 1500 customers will suffer for no reason It is ill management of the company that just to satisfy a single person company is going to displease its 1500 customers. Once if company losses trust of customers/writers it will take a long time to rebuild its confidence. I can not understand why the company is putting its million dollars business at risk for satisfaction of a single complainant.
3: As far as the question of fake ratting is concerned I think it is fault of the company because present software of the company provides an opportunity for fake rating. The responsibility of fake rating can not be fixed on a writer because each and every person can have access to give rating to a writer by creating a fake buyer account, It is very difficult to prove that who is responsible for making fake rating either writer himself or someone else who wants to spoil the account of a writer on the basis of business jealousy. Instead of suspending accounts of the writers it is better for the company to remove fault and upgrade their software because it is the only solution to control fake rating in future. Company is punishing its goods writers for no fault. This type of policy will not be helpful to improve company's performance but company will loose the confidence of its best writers.
These are the some suggestions which I have put here for the betterment of writers/customers and company in the light of global marketing rules. However, company is sole judge to take decision. But before taking any decision management must keep in mind that customer and writers affected by their decision will make cry on other forums and will go in legal process. That will give a bad name to the company And company will face problem for their wrong policies .
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writer143567: there is no valid reason to raise objection on their work, on the basis of native and non-native issue. The skill//ability is not property of any person and you can not stop any one from working in open market.
FAIL.
writer143567: I want to mention clearly in the interest of essaybay if they will follow policy of native and non native their company will sink soon.
Wrong. YOU—the unqualified, ESL writer—will "sink."
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Jul 16, 10, 05:26AM
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Hi writer143567, were you able to get any real orders before Carly suspended your account? ^__^
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Edited by: Carly Jul 16, 10, 07:00AM
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writer143567: I am of the view that the company is paying favour to the Biblio
I'm not even sure what you mean here. What on earth is 'paying favour'?
I've never ever heard that phrased used in the English-speaking world.
All our company has done it look through who has gamed the system by cheating (bidding on their own projects and leaving themselves bogus feedback) and banned them, as any responsible site would do.
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Jul 16, 10, 08:27AM
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Thanks "WRITER 143567" for your argument.I am one of the buyers who has been frustrated a lot by essay bay. i had assigned 3 projects to 3 different writers (worthy $216) but unfortunately i have not received the projects. There are no replies by writers.I really regret for doing such a foolish mistake with essaybay.com. i am wondering which reasons will i give to my professors.The administrator is also not responding to my messages.What is happening at essaybay?.
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Jul 16, 10, 08:49AM
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I am a suspended essaybay writer (i have never posted a fake project). My question to CARLY ( who is one of the administrators).Will the over 300 suspended essaybay writers get paid their salary?
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Jul 16, 10, 04:32PM
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ben: I am a suspended essaybay writer (i have never posted a fake project). My question to CARLY ( who is one of the administrators).Will the over 300 suspended essaybay writers get paid their salary?
Ben, why don't you give us your essaybay account name so that we can show the folks here whether or not you deserve to get paid a single cent? ^_^
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Jul 16, 10, 04:40PM
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Monitor, if your writers were not able to deliver your projects then you can ask admin to return your funds to you. One of those admin (Carly) is posting right here on this thread. Why don't you take it up with her?
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Jul 19, 10, 05:55AM
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I'm concerned that one disgruntled 'writer' is posting from multiple accounts on here now to make the company look 'bad' because they were suspended. I may, however, be totally wrong.
From now on, if you're owed money or concerned about your account please call our offices or email me directly - I can investigate your claims right away.
This ISN'T a support forum for EssayBay.
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