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WRT: To exercise CSR, EB needs to
You then go ahead to give what fits your definition of blatant cruelty. How comes nobody is mentioning essaybay's role in all these? Its system did not allow for a fair competition and I am sure if I were a member of essaybay, I would probably have tried to write more papers than my fellow members.Carly: What about the writers that lied and cheated by creating fake accounts?
Carly: What about the writers that lied and cheated by creating fake accounts?
Your system allowed it, and so, as you punish them try and find a way of punishing yourself as well. The likes of Ben and writer4234324234 should be forgiven and paid all their dues because they found a system that did not allow them to survive without 'modification'. I am sure they loved essaybay with all their heart and soul, and therefore decided to do everything possible to stay with, which means that you are now punishing loyalty. I saw that one of them was asking for a $15 balance, which I am sure you can top it up to $20 and also cover the transaction fee. If you do not change your stand some family somewhere will sleep hungry. I know it because I experienced that sometimes back when I was chased from NASA for allegedly divulging sensitive information.
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Jul 20, 10, 02:38PM
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forumregulator: Your system allowed it, and so, as you punish them try and find a way of punishing yourself as well. The likes of Ben and writer4234324234 should be forgiven and paid all their dues because they found a system that did not allow them to survive without 'modification'.
You, sir, are an absolute idiot. That is all.
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forumregulator: I know it because I experienced that sometimes back when I was chased from NASA for allegedly divulging sensitive information.
forumregulator: How comes nobody is mentioning essaybay's role in all these?
EB's role is simply this: they allowed unethical, illiterate, morons access to customers.
forumregulator: Its system did not allow for a fair competition
You cannot be serious!
forumregulator: I saw that one of them was asking for a $15 balance, which I am sure you can top it up to $20 and also cover the transaction fee.
A few EB writers cheated the company, their fellow writers and customers. You are proposing that Essaybay financially reward their dishonesty - pay them an extra 33% plus transaction costs. You are either pulling our legs or are insane.
forumregulator: I am sure they loved essaybay with all their heart and soul,
If they, the cheating freelancers, "loved essaybay with all their heart and soul," they are in dire need of institutionalisation.
forumregulator: they found a system that did not allow them to survive without 'modification'.
As they, in all probability, were illiterate and mentally incompetent fools, cheating was the only way they could ever land a bid.
forumregulator: If you do not change your stand some family somewhere will sleep hungry.
If EB does not reward the cheats, mass starvation will break out. Bob Geldof and Bono had better come to the rescue!
WritersBeware: You, sir, are an absolute idiot.
I disagree. Idiocy is one thing and insanity is another. This poster is stark, raving mad. In fact, considering his/her defense of corruption, I would say `criminally insane.'
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Edited by: forumregulator Jul 20, 10, 03:53PM
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WritersBeware: You, sir, are an absolute idiot. That is all.
You suffer from a closed mind open mouth syndrome; there is no other explanation for your propensity to use obscenities. I thought of a sponge as the least one could have in the head, but it appears I was wrong. You clearly have nothing between your ears. All you need is love and understanding.
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Jul 20, 10, 04:20PM
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WRT: This poster is stark, raving mad. In fact, considering his/her defense of corruption, I would say `criminally insane.'
I admit to charges of insanity. Anyway, I am not out to defend any incompetent cheats that for a long time reaped where they shouldn't have sowed. What I am against is the mob justice kind of treatment these people are getting. They should be punished, I agree. But on the other hand, we must remember that even the worst of the villains deserve justice. In my opinion, the essaybay guys are petty offenders, but too bad for them. The defense wishes to rest.
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Jul 20, 10, 04:23PM
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WRT: This poster is stark, raving mad.
You really sound scared!
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Jul 20, 10, 04:24PM
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WritersBeware: Your points are pointless.
Nope, your points are pointless. Of course AK pays taxes on what they earn from commissions. That proves nothing. We're still not their employees as far as taxes are concerned. We're clients just as the customers are also clients. Still don't know what C2C is, I see. I think even WRT sees that essaybay doesn't hire writers. :D
WritersBeware: Do you mean the completely corrupt feedback system about which YOU have been complaining because it enables unqualified liars and morons to gain unfair advantage over you? LMAO!
Corrupt feedback system my ass. We complained about the cheaters and Carly corrected the problem. What's corrupt about that?
WritersBeware: Who is "everyone else," exactly? I haven't read anyone else agreeing with you.
Who else agrees with me that essyabay does not hire writers? Let's see...
EW_writer: Hi, WRT. As I've explained in my previous post, essaybay does not hire writers.
Carly: We don't 'hire' anybody. It's a freelancing marketplace.
WRT: Yes, I understand that but my point is simply this: AA is a solid company and its reputation has been hard-earned.
WritersBeware: If either of those services enable morons and incompetent, unqualified, ESL writers to fabricate qualifications in order to fool potential clients
Oh but they do, there are lots of people on Ebay who advertise product qualifications that are false, and there are many applicants who are allowed by elance to apply despite having faked their qualifications. Once they get caught, they get suspended or banned much like what happened to the people who faked their feedback at essaybay. Need I say more?
You lose again. Period.
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Jul 20, 10, 04:35PM
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forumregulator: You need to pay them first and then help them secure alternative employment.
LOL! Should private companies do that for all con artists like yourself?
Carly: I agree with this 100%, which is why I've forwarded on several of your comments, with my own commentary, onto higher management. They'll be able to review the suggestions when we come to have a meeting about the reprogram
May I just say that I disagree with any reprogramming that would add overhead costs and demand more commission from writers. The only thing you guys need to fix is the feedback system. It doesn't matter how many incompetent hacks you allow to register as writers, they won't get anywhere if the feedback system is solid. That's how C2C works.
forumregulator: they found a system that did not allow them to survive without 'modification'.
Oh please, competent writers don't need to fabricate feedback, only losers do.
WRT: the company has to vet applicants - set a minimum standard.
Again, the whole point of this is that the feedback system is supposed to set the standard for both quality and prices. For example, I am probably the best writer EB has. As a consequence, I am pretty certain that I've earned several times more from the site than anyone else. There are some writers who get to the top 10 every now and then with a handful of feedback, but they get dropped soon enough and don't return. So, it's really survival of the fittest.. just the way I like it. :D
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Jul 20, 10, 04:37PM
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Oh and Carly, it also wouldn't hurt if you incorporate the amount of feedback received to the average feedback when you post your top writers on the homepage. That would give clients a more accurate idea of who really are the most competent writers on the site.
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Jul 20, 10, 08:54PM
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forumregulator: The defense wishes to rest.
The defense should have rested in peace a long time ago. :)
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Jul 21, 10, 03:29AM
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EW_writer: con artists like yourself
What gave me away? I need to know so I can work on those weaknesses.EW_writer: The defense should have rested in peace a long time ago
Okay, a quick answer from you. Do you think these people should be paid?(Hint: they only falsified their CVs but got the job done). Yes or no?
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Edited by: WRT Jul 21, 10, 04:21AM
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forumregulator: they only falsified their CVs but got the job done
Pity that the law does not agree with you. Misprepresentation for economic gain; falsification of docs, etc ... all quite serious. But why allow a little thing called `law' and `ethics' get in the way?
As for what the fraudulent cheats did - they signed on as customers, awarded themselves the job and fraudulently bolstered their ratings. They subsequently obtained work based on these ratings. So, you tell me ... should people who cheated their clients, EB and their fellow writers be paid or should the clients be refunded?
forumregulator: got the job done
Essaybaywriter_05, Ben, writer123 (whatever), etc ... are incapable of `getting the job done.'
forumregulator: You really sound scared!
I do? How? Why? Am I associated with EB in any way, shape or form? No. Do I bid on EB projects? No. Do I care about the lack of ethics plaguing this industry? Yes, I do. Does the presence of unethical, incompetent, morons in this industry scare me? Yes, it does. When mentally incompetent fools parade themselves as `writers,' I consider it a disaster.
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Edited by: EW_writer Jul 21, 10, 09:01AM
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forumregulator: Okay, a quick answer from you. Do you think these people should be paid?(Hint: they only falsified their CVs but got the job done).
CV my foot. Those "people" fabricated feedback. Clients need to be able to rely on feedback from other clients when deciding on which writer to choose. Cheating on feedback is an unforgivable offense in a C2C business model so yeah, those who fabricated feedback deserve everything they got from Carly and her team. ^__^
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jul 27, 10, 12:33AM
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EW_writer: WritersBeware: Right. However, for the customer to be able to make that accurate, informed decision, the company must keep out the liars, fraudsters, and incompetent morons who have been frequenting this forum. Wrong. That's what the feedback system is for. The more feedback a writer gets, the more consistent the quality of his or her work appears to clients. I buy from Ebay occasionally but I never buy items from sellers who do not at least have 100 positive feedback to their name and zero negative feedback. I can go on and on and on about this but previous experience has shown that you will never back down no matter how silly you already appear to everyone else.
Let the contradictions begin . . . .
EW_writer: Those "people" fabricated feedback. Clients need to be able to rely on feedback from other clients when deciding on which writer to choose. Cheating on feedback is an unforgivable offense in a C2C business model so yeah, those who fabricated feedback deserve everything they got from Carly and her team. ^__^ |
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Jul 27, 10, 05:00AM
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WritersBeware: Let the contradictions begin . . . .
Oh.. is it senseless one-liner season again? I fail to see the contradiction in how fake feedback being exposed and dealt with by system administrators shows that the feedback system is working and that its integrity can be counted on.
Say.. wanna write a management paper? It's about choosing between different payroll systems. You know.. those lists of people that "a company owes money to." Hahaha! No matter how many times you get humiliated, you just keep coming back for more.
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Jul 27, 10, 12:24PM
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EW_writer: No matter how many times you get humiliated
Nice try. Why don't you ask pheelyks or FW if my definition of "payroll" is correct or not? Why are you so afraid to do that?
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Jul 27, 10, 05:25PM
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WritersBeware: Nice try. Why don't you ask pheelyks or FW if my definition of "payroll" is correct or not? Why are you so afraid to do that?
I already did that at your earlier request, numbskull. o.O I stand by my statement:
No matter how many times you get humiliated, you just keep coming back for more.
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Jul 27, 10, 05:28PM
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WritersBeware: Freelance employees are not people? I have stated numerous times that payroll is directly tied to employment; so, when I type "people," I'm obviously referring to EMPLOYEES (and in this particular case, freelance employees).
No, you stated that after I pointed your error out to you. ^_^ Those who want to check can just read the thread:
http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/14/essaybay-cheats-writers-1810/
Game, set, and match... again. ^_^
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jul 27, 10, 06:04PM
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Only in your back asswards imagination, pal . . . .
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Jul 27, 10, 06:14PM
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EW_writer: No, you stated that after I pointed your error out to you.
It wasn't an error, you freaking moron. You are just too ignorant to follow the context and flow of dialogue. The only "error" exists in your inability to understand the obvious: "people" and "freelance employees" are synonymous in the context of my multiple posts. Only a desperate idiot would suggest some sort of disconnect in understanding simply because I typed "people" as opposed to one of my many EARLIER references to "freelance employees."
Bottom line: you're a clown. Take your meaningless arguments elsewhere. Nobody wants or needs your childish troublemaking.
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Jul 27, 10, 07:00PM
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WritersBeware: It wasn't an error, you freaking moron. You are just too ignorant to follow the context and flow of dialogue.
Oh please, anyone reading the thread I posted a link to would understand that I never contested the other definition of payroll that you pulled out of the dictionary. I was arguing that writers of essaybay are not employees of essaybay and you messed up with a "literal" definition of payroll in trying to support your claim to the contrary.
Stuff your bottom line up your ass. ^_^ The real bottom line is that you're through. You're a sad piece of **** who just can't admit being wrong and I pity you. :)
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Jul 27, 10, 07:01PM
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WritersBeware: Only in your back asswards imagination, pal . . . .
Dream on, moron. ^__^
(See, this is the "I ought to have the last say" game that WB loves to play)
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jul 27, 10, 07:57PM
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EW_writer: who just can't admit being wrong
If you were to prove that I am "wrong," I would readily admit it.
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EW_writer: I was arguing that writers of essaybay are not employees of essaybay
1. Customer pays EB
2. Customer's money sits in EB's escrow account (likely earning interest)
3. EB pays the writer at a later date
4. EB pays quarterly/yearly taxes on all money that passed through its escrow account and deducts all money that it ultimately forwarded to the freelance writers
5. The ongoing list of freelance employees to whom EB owes (i.e., "must forward at a later date") money is literally a "payroll"
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Edited by: WritersBeware Jul 27, 10, 08:10PM
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EW_writer: (See, this is the "I ought to have the last say" game that WB loves to play)
Says the guy who repeatedly states that he is leaving because he earns so many peanuts when not posting here, yet can't quite seem to let go . . . .
Buh-bye, peanut hoarder.
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Jul 28, 10, 04:43AM
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WritersBeware: 1. Customer pays EB 2. Customer's money sits in EB's escrow account (likely earning interest) 3. EB pays the writer at a later date 4. EB pays quarterly/yearly taxes on all money that passed through its escrow account and deducts all money that it ultimately forwarded to the freelance writers 5. The ongoing list of freelance employees to whom EB owes (i.e., "must forward at a later date") money is literally a "payroll"
Wrong-o, boy-o. ^_^ Transactions on essaybay occur between writers and clients with Essaybay as a mediating body that earns commission from completed transactions. Essaybay probably pays taxes on commissions, yes, but that DOES NOT make their writers count as employees. Thus, one cannot say that essaybay's writers are on essaybay's "payroll" without sounding utterly ridiculous, not to mention completely ignorant of the C2C business model.
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Jul 28, 10, 04:45AM
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WritersBeware: yet can't quite seem to let go . . . .
It's your irresistible personality that keeps dragging me back. You're such a hoot to boot. :)
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Jul 28, 10, 09:26AM
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Carly: I think the money should go back to the clients
Are you sure.. As for As I know EB is holding the writers money since months.. You never pay back to your customers.. Stop lying on this forum...
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Jul 28, 10, 09:53AM
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Researcher: Are you sure.. As for As I know EB is holding the writers money since months.. You never pay back to your customers.. Stop lying on this forum...
Is that supposed to be a sentence, or sentences? Are you trying to make sense? Try harder, please ...
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Jul 28, 10, 12:16PM
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EW_writer: Wrong-o, boy-o. ^_^ Transactions on essaybay occur between writers and clients with Essaybay as a mediating body that earns commission from completed transactions. Essaybay probably pays taxes on commissions, yes, but that DOES NOT make their writers count as employees. Thus, one cannot say that essaybay's writers are on essaybay's "payroll" without sounding utterly ridiculous, not to mention completely ignorant of the C2C business model.
OK, I guess that my explanation is over your head (or you simply don't want to admit that my literal definition is correct). Again:
1. Customer pays EB
2. Customer's money sits in EB's escrow account (likely earning interest)
3. EB pays the writer at a later date
4. EB pays quarterly/yearly taxes on all money that passed through its escrow account and deducts all money that it ultimately forwarded to the freelance writers
5. The ongoing list of freelance employees to whom EB owes (i.e., "must forward at a later date") money is literally a "payroll"
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Edited by: EW_writer Jul 28, 10, 04:17PM
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WritersBeware: OK, I guess that my explanation is over your head (or you simply don't want to admit that my literal definition is correct). Again:
Your explanation is probably right in your imagination, but sorry, it's not in the real world. :)
Here's the right explanation:
Transactions on essaybay occur between writers and clients with Essaybay as a mediating body that earns commission from completed transactions. Essaybay probably pays taxes on commissions, yes, but that DOES NOT make their writers count as employees. Thus, one cannot say that essaybay's writers are on essaybay's "payroll" without sounding utterly ridiculous, not to mention completely ignorant of the C2C business model.
If you can't accept it well, sucks to be stubborn, ignorant, hopeless you. :)
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I thought that essaybay is more a freelance board than an academic writing company, so no accusations of poor quality of the product can be made. The guarantees are not provided by the company directly, it only provides the platform for cooperation.
I see no reason for not letting the low-qualified freelancers in. As long as the profile and work samples are publicly available, no one will be misled.
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