| theGuardian |
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Oct 29, 10, 08:54PM
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I have been sick and tired of getting scammed by no-good fraudulent companies. I am appalled that companies charge such outrageous amounts for plagiarized and incorrect work. The last time I got a blatantly plagiarized paper I snapped. I have decided to create a new service which will NOT plagiarize material and will NOT overcharge people. What do you guys think is a fair price per page for a generic essay? I am thinking $5.00 per page is fair. What about time frame fees? I think that $35.00 for a 3 hour paper is fair. What do you guys think? What kind of pricing would be fair for essays and how can I appeal to the average user? What do you look for in a essay service?
I will not reveal my companies name because of the TOS preventing advertisements. If you are interested please PM me and i will gladly give you the URL.
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| pheelyks |
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Edited by: pheelyks Oct 30, 10, 01:19AM
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I think if you charge customers $5/page for any order, you will barely be able to keep a decent website running let alone hire writers that live anywhere but the third world.
Legitimate companies charge a minimum of around $20/page (sometimes a bit less for easy orders with very distant deadlines); they have website maintenance to pay for, administrative/customer service staff (even if you do this part yourself, you'll want to make more than a few bucks an hour for your time), and writers that will want to earn significantly more than minimum wage if they're any good.
As an example, I earn well over a thousand dollars a week as a writer during the busy seasons. Assuming I would get to keep $3/page of the $5 you charge customers, and assuming I can research/write 4 pages an hour, I would have to work over eighty hours a week just to earn $1000--and this is before taxes. You won't find good writers that are willing to work for this amount of pay.
Oh, and in case you were wondering, I have no interest in working for your unnamed company, but by all means give us the URL--I don't think anyone would mind knowing where to find dirt cheap pieces of crap.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 09:42AM
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I am using a free website hosting service for the time being. This is how i am able to keep such a low price. I am not looking to make a huge profit for my services, i am simply trying to keep others from paying too much for shoddy work. The $5 per page is for a paper with a deadline over 4 days. The shorter the deadline the higher the prices. My URL to my website is http://guardianessay.weebly.com/. Any kind of feedback i could get on the site such as pricing, design or anything else would be greatly appreciated.
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| WritersBeware |
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Oct 30, 10, 12:53PM
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Listen, I took a look. Do yourself a favor and don't even start.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 01:23PM
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Mind if I ask why I should not start?
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 01:45PM
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You need to hire a writer to write your webcopy. And pay them more than $5.
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Oct 30, 10, 02:03PM
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$5 may be unrealistic now that I consider other costs.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 02:49PM
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theGuardian: $5 may be unrealistic now that I consider other costs.
ya think? How many writers do you have working for you at the "top rate" company you are already advertising?
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 03:24PM
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I have not started anything yet. I am not trying to advertise anything, I want feedback on a proposed site. Until demand exceeds supply, i am the only writer.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 30, 10, 03:28PM
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theGuardian: Until demand exceeds supply, i am the only writer.
Why do you misrepresent yourself as "we" throughout your glorious home page?
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 04:14PM
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WritersBeware: Why do you misrepresent yourself as "we" throughout your glorious home page?
I represent myself as we right now because at the time of writing the content of the website I had a friend who wanted to join. He is no longer interested and has become a freelancer on a freelance website. I will change the content on my website as soon as possible, unless someone joins me. Thanks for pointing that out, I am not trying to misrepresent anything.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 04:21PM
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theGuardian: He is no longer interested and has become a freelancer on a freelance website.
So even your friend realized he could get a better deal working elsewhere, yet you persist in your thinking that somehow you can make a real go of things with your current business plan? Obstinance, stupidity...whatever you want to call it, it doesn't lead to success.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 04:24PM
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pheelyks: So even your friend realized he could get a better deal working elsewhere, yet you persist in your thinking that somehow you can make a real go of things with your current business plan? Obstinance, stupidity...whatever you want to call it, it doesn't lead to success.
He decided to go with freelancing because he would get more opportunities. I just created my website and I will have very little traffic. I do not blame my friend for going with a more stable option.He took the path of least resistance.I do not believe that good things come without a little struggle.Which is why I bypassed previous thoughts of becoming a freelancer or writing for a company.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 04:27PM
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theGuardian: He decided to go with freelancing because he would get more opportunities
Right.
theGuardian: I will have very little traffic.
Exactly.
theGuardian: I do not believe that good things come without a little struggle.Which is why I bypassed previous thoughts of becoming a freelancer
You do seem to believe in sentence fragments, however. How encouraging to your nonexistent customers.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 04:38PM
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Everybody must start somewhere. Did Google have millions of users its first day? How about Facebook? Traffic comes with time and devotion. I do not expect anything less than an uphill battle.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 04:45PM
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Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin were grad students at Stanford working on a search engine backed by the university (read: they had funding) until it took up to much space on Stanford's servers. About a year after that, they received a check of $100,000 to continue expanding their search engine and business--they developed a NEW idea and found investors.
http://www.google.com/corporate/milestones.html
Facebook was also the result of a NEW idea, and within a month of its launch half of Harvard's undergraduate body was a registered member. The company incorporated within a year and had hundreds of thousands of users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
This research, including verifying wikipedia's article, took all of five minutes. No wonder you think a 3.8 GPA from a US university is worth bragging about....
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 04:49PM
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pheelyks: Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin were grad students at Stanford working on a search engine backed by the university (read: they had funding) until it took up to much space on Stanford's servers. About a year after that, they received a check of $100,000 to continue expanding their search engine and business--they developed a NEW idea and found investors. http://www.google.com/corporate/milestones.htmlFacebook was also the result of a NEW idea, and within a month of its launch half of Harvard's undergraduate body was a registered member. The company incorporated within a year and had hundreds of thousands of users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FacebookThis research, including verifying wikipedia's article, took all of five minutes. No wonder you think a 3.8 GPA from a US university is worth bragging about....
My point is websites are not developed as sensations they are grown into sensations. Google had to start somewhere, Myspace had to start somewhere, eBay had to start somewhere. I am starting somewhere and I do not expect to be at 1,000,000 page hits overnight
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 04:53PM
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Yes, they all started somewhere, but more importantly they were started by SOMEONE(S) who had new, innovative ideas and the wherewithal to help them grow. You have had the same idea that literally hundreds 9if not thousands) of other people have had and so far have shown NO knowledge whatsoever of how to run a business, seeming to believe that customers will readily choose your free blog site over registered companies that are legal corporate entities (and thus can be held accountable). Meanwhile, if you were willing to invest even a measly $1000, you could also have a website with your own domain name and be an incorporated company--at least a limited liability corporation. But that would require actual planning, risk, and investment of time and money *shudder*
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 05:05PM
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pheelyks: Yes, they all started somewhere, but more importantly they were started by SOMEONE(S) who had new, innovative ideas and the wherewithal to help them grow. You have had the same idea that literally hundreds 9if not thousands) of other people have had and so far have shown NO knowledge whatsoever of how to run a business, seeming to believe that customers will readily choose your free blog site over registered companies that are legal corporate entities (and thus can be held accountable). Meanwhile, if you were willing to invest even a measly $1000, you could also have a website with your own domain name and be an incorporated company--at least a limited liability corporation. But that would require actual planning, risk, and investment of time and money *shudder*
Facebook was not a new idea. Facebook was refining an old idea, exactly what I plan on doing.People can be held accountable just as much as a corporation can be held accountable
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 05:08PM
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theGuardian: Facebook was refining an old idea, exactly what I plan on doing.
This sentence (specifically the second half) is incomplete. And if you want to look at it that way, there haven't been ANY new ideas for a very long time. You aren't talking about the level of "refining" that took place with Facebook or Google (also not a "new" idea, if you want to be that pedantic); you are talking about charging less for the same exact service already provided by thousands of websites. This isn't even "refining" an old idea--it's called price competition, and it's been around for awhile.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 06:28PM
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pheelyks: This sentence (specifically the second half) is incomplete. And if you want to look at it that way, there haven't been ANY new ideas for a very long time. You aren't talking about the level of "refining" that took place with Facebook or Google (also not a "new" idea, if you want to be that pedantic); you are talking about charging less for the same exact service already provided by thousands of websites. This isn't even "refining" an old idea--it's called price competition, and it's been around for awhile.
Lower pricing is only one aspect I hope to incorporate into my company. I have many other ideas which I hope to be able to implement. All these ideas come through past experiences with essay services.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 06:59PM
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theGuardian: I have many other ideas which I hope to be able to implement. All these ideas come through past experiences with essay services.
Yes....lower prices, high quality, not taking advantage of students--all very original ideas sure to make you truly successful in this endeavor. It's a wonder no one else has ever thought of them....
No concession on the language corrections here?
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Oct 30, 10, 07:04PM
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theGuardian, please learn the differences between "that" and "which." Thank you.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 07:08PM
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WritersBeware: theGuardian, please learn the differences between "that" and "which." Thank you.
He thinks he has, having admitted that my correction in one thread was correct and that his language problems are now immaterial given his 3.8 GPA.
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Oct 30, 10, 07:15PM
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pheelyks: He thinks he has, having admitted that my correction in one thread was correct and that his language problems are now immaterial given his 3.8 GPA.
I always have trouble with "which" vs. "that" I usually let Word help me. My GPA has nothing to do with my word choice
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 07:31PM
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theGuardian: I always have trouble with "which" vs. "that" I usually let Word help me.
Exactly. The rules really aren't that hard, but you haven;t been interested enough to learn them. This shows the same lack of principle that you apply to your business venture, and explains why you will spend the rest of your life in middle management.
theGuardian: My GPA has nothing to do with my word choice
...or anything else other than your ability to fill in the holes the way your instructors wanted. That is all that education consists of in the US.
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Oct 30, 10, 07:44PM
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pheelyks: theGuardian: I always have trouble with "which" vs. "that" I usually let Word help me. Exactly. The rules really aren't that hard, but you haven;t been interested enough to learn them. This shows the same lack of principle that you apply to your business venture, and explains why you will spend the rest of your life in middle management. theGuardian: My GPA has nothing to do with my word choice ...or anything else other than your ability to fill in the holes the way your instructors wanted. That is all that education consists of in the US.
I do have my flaws. The "which" vs "that" is something which I do have difficulty with. I do not know why I have such a difficult time. Did you attend school in the USA?
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 07:46PM
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theGuardian: Did you attend school in the USA?
I believe this has already been covered, but in case you can't figure it out from our previous ranking discussion, yes.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 07:53PM
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pheelyks: I believe this has already been covered, but in case you can't figure it out from our previous ranking discussion, yes.
You do not think you got your money's worth from the college you attended?
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 07:57PM
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theGuardian: You do not think you got your money's worth from the college you attended?
I got the piece of paper I knew I would be getting, and the opportunities that are afforded me because I have obtained that piece of paper. As far as my actual education is concerned, I knew I was getting ripped off from the beginning. Luckily, grants and scholarships covered the bulk of my expenses.
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Oct 30, 10, 08:04PM
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pheelyks: I got the piece of paper I knew I would be getting, and the opportunities that are afforded me because I have obtained that piece of paper. As far as my actual education is concerned, I knew I was getting ripped off from the beginning. Luckily, grants and scholarships covered the bulk of my expenses.
my college experience taught me many things which I use on a daily basis. I feel I got my money's worth. I got a scholarship as well.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:08PM
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*that. Apparently it didn't teach you that (which?) one.
theGuardian: I feel I got my money's worth. I got a scholarship as well.
Assuming your college education was entirely free, I agree that you definitely got your money's worth.
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Oct 30, 10, 08:12PM
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pheelyks: *that. Apparently it didn't teach you that (which?) one.
I knew you would bring that up. I let out a big sigh as soon as I read the quote of my comment.pheelyks: Assuming your college education was entirely free, I agree that you definitely got your money's worth.
My knowledge of mathematics, philosophy and communications have been vastly improved because of my time at college. My college scholarship covered roughly 80% of my college expenses.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:17PM
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theGuardian: I let out a big sigh as soon as I read the quote of my comment.
There's an "edit" button for a reason, motard. And if you can recognize your mistakes after the fact, why can't you not make them in the first place?
theGuardian: My college scholarship covered roughly 80% of my college expenses.
You got ripped off.
Unfortunately, I have to go enjoy the side career that my lucrative writing job allows me to pursue. I eagerly await continuing to point our your idiocy tomorrow.
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Oct 30, 10, 08:25PM
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pheelyks: There's an "edit" button for a reason, motard. And if you can recognize your mistakes after the fact, why can't you not make them in the first place?
Where is the edit button located? I was unaware of the edit button.
pheelyks: Unfortunately, I have to go enjoy the side career that my lucrative writing job allows me to pursue. I eagerly await continuing to point our your idiocy tomorrow.
If you dont mind me asking, what is your side career?
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:30PM
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theGuardian: Where is the edit button located? I was unaware of the edit button.
You managed to find the quote button fairly easily....that's the only hint I'm giving.
theGuardian: If you dont mind me asking, what is your side career?
I do mind. I don't share personal information on this forum.
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Oct 31, 10, 10:22AM
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theGuardian: If you dont mind me asking, what is your side career?
pheelyks: I do mind. I don't share personal information on this forum.
fair enough.
pheelyks: You managed to find the quote button fairly easily....that's the only hint I'm giving.
Thanks for the hint
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Nov 2, 10, 05:22PM
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pheelyks, that's incredible that you make over $1000 per month during the busy season.
Out of curiosity, how many pages do you write per day during the busy seasons?
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Nov 2, 10, 06:35PM
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VeronicaM: $1000 per month during the busy season.
Do you mean $10000?
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Nov 2, 10, 07:17PM
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Pheelyks clearly communicated "$1,000+ per WEEK."
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