| EssayIndustry |
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Oct 13, 09, 02:38AM
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I've watched this forum on and off ever since I first started writing freelance essays (just about a year ago). This is the first occasion I have had to actually register an account and post and I am glad to say it is a positive one... or at least for a productive and proactive reason.
There are a lot of complaints and disagreements out there about various sites and services. I have been working together with a few other essay writers and computer programmers to develop some unique tools that promise to at least improve our lot as freelance writers. I wish I could say we will rid the industry of all its ills, but in reality we are doing our best to improve things as much as we can. While the details of our system, currently under development, are not yet ready for release, we would like to hear from as many academic essay writers and essay service providers as possible regarding your experiences and satisfaction with the current essay industry. The reason we are asking for input from both writers and service providers is that we aim to expand the essay market and facilitate more efficiency in transactions, without cannibalizing profits from writers or legitimate essay services.
It has only taken one short, and often frustrating, year working in the essay industry to realize some of the short-comings we all face in connecting with more customers and avoiding essay scams of all kinds.
As we develop this system, we are eager for everyone's input in order to customize our services to best meet your needs. Therefore, we would be grateful if you would take just ten minutes or so to complete our essay writer survey.
To complete our survey simply click on the URL below:
http://tiny.cc/writer568
[I used a tiny to reduce junk in this posting... it is a SurveyMonkey survey]
This survey is 100% anonymous and all questions are optional. At the end of the survey, you will find a *totally* voluntary contact form that you can complete in order to receive a one-time notification when our system comes online and to activate some special benefits for those who helped us early on.
Again, we sincerely appreciate you taking the time to read this open invitation and respond to our survey. We look forward to working with you in the very near future.
Best of luck!
The Essay Industry Team
essayindustry@gmail.com
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| Fracturegang |
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Oct 13, 09, 02:59AM
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He is another entrepreneur in this industry........
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| EssayIndustry |
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Oct 13, 09, 03:11AM
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One can aspire!
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| Fracturegang |
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Edited by: Fracturegang Oct 13, 09, 03:33AM
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Will you hire non-native writers? Don't worry, I will not apply, as I am not good at English. But I introduce some of my good non-native writers who are earning about 1000 dollar per month.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 13, 09, 03:57AM
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EssayIndustry, the owner of a reputable company recently forwarded to me one of your SPAM emails. To put it bluntly, I don't trust a word that you type, or your intentions. If you cared at all about being perceived as genuine, you would reveal your actual domain name. You wouldn't hide your personal identity, either. Your "not yet ready for release" excuse isn't fooling anyone. The only thing that I know for certain is that you're trying to obtain free research data to help launch a commercial enterprise. That constitutes promotion/advertising, and it's not welcome here.
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| EssayIndustry |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:02AM
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Well, to be honest, as I was hoping to explain above, we are developing systems and tools to help the whole industry and those systems are under construction. Because things are in the developmental stage, I am not really able to answer any specific questions at this time about future practices or services.
For those that are interested, however, we will obviously be posting here and elsewhere about our system when it goes live in the near future. We will also personally contact those who volunteer their email addresses at the end of the survey.
I appreciate the interest and wish I was able to be more specific.
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| Fracturegang |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:05AM
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Oh, I see, this one is a fraud EssayIndustry.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 13, 09, 04:07AM
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EssayIndustry: I am not really able to answer any specific questions at this time about future practices or services.
Unless your service is 100% free, don't bother posting again, unless you want members of this forum to provide the public with countless reasons to not use your service.
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| Fracturegang |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:14AM
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Yes, WritersBeware is right. Don't try to spam us again, EssayIndustry. You have to repent.
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| EssayIndustry |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:16AM
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WritersBeware. As I have followed this forum for some time I have appreciated your ability to be critical while also providing useful data on potential scam sites that we all have come to know and love. I certainly admit to having personally sent one time emails to both essay service providers, as well as posting on various forums. In cases where forums specifically bar any sort of promotional postings I have simply written an email to the admin asking them to post for me if they feel the survey is appropriate. I consider spam, which we all love so dearly, to be inappropriate and blind, mass-sending of unsolicited information or advertisement. As I have posted this request to one single thread under General Discussions and taken the time to personally respond as best I can I leave it to the rest of the readers to decide if this is spam or not.
You have certainly done a thorough job acting as watchdog on certain sites and, at least in the cases I have seen, provided some apparently credible evidence to back up your vociferous postings. I only ask that you give me the same consideration.
To answer your specific concerns. I have stated clearly that we are developing our system, hence the market survey. This is common practice. As we are under development, I think all rational readers of this forum can understand that we are not going to provide a link to a site under construction, as that would be counter to our aims. I also made no claim to be a non-commercial entity. I assume you are also a working for-profit as an essay writer and, therefore, commercial. If, by posting this request, I have violated some explicit terms of service I will gladly, personally write to the site Admin for approval, clarification of those terms, or to otherwise remove my posting.
If you have any other concerns I will be happy to address them with you in a reasonable fashion.
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Oct 13, 09, 04:20AM
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WritersBeware:
Yes, the survey is 100% free.
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 13, 09, 04:23AM
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EssayIndustry: As I have posted this request to one single thread under General Discussions and taken the time to personally respond as best I can I leave it to the rest of the readers to decide if this is spam or not.
Any commercial post violates the TOU of the forum; such a post constitutes "forum SPAM," regardless of volume.
EssayIndustry: I assume you are also a working for-profit as an essay writer and, therefore, commercial.
Your assumption is incorrect.
Advertising commercial sites/companies is not allowed—period. Just because you present your case in an educated manner does not mean that you can skirt the rules.
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| Fracturegang |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:24AM
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It seems that EssayIndustry's reason is pretty good. He seems to be honest.
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Oct 13, 09, 04:24AM
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WritersBeware: the owner of a reputable company recently forwarded to me one of your SPAM emails
I got forwarded the same spam mail (I assume it's the same), and although I can't see any particular harm in this survey, it does have a faint familiar whiff... if it's who I think it is setting it up, that is :p
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| WritersBeware |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:26AM
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EssayIndustry: Yes, the survey is 100% free.
I hope that was a joke. How many victims of SPAM or telemarketing pay the commercial entity for the honor of completing its survey?
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| Fracturegang |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:28AM
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May be, WritersBeware is an elderly person. We should not disobey him.
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Oct 13, 09, 04:31AM
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johnsmith, I bathed just this morning!
As I have freely said, I personally emailed a number of service providers and freelance writing sites once and only once requesting kindly a few minutes of their time to answer this survey or another one that contains questions more pertinent to essay service providers. I sincerely hope that no one has taken to forwarding any personal communication of mine, but I also don't see anything wrong with asking someone to take a survey. Whatever I smell of it is probably just my dinner...
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| WritersBeware |
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 13, 09, 04:32AM
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Fracturegang appears to be chacha's mentally impaired brother.
Mod, why not spare everyone the headache by banning this idiot now?
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| EssayIndustry |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:33AM
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Now now... WritersBeware, we aren't asking you to pay for the electricity consumed in your 3,953 posts. I can give you my address if you'd care to send me a check though.
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Oct 13, 09, 04:34AM
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EssayIndustry: I bathed just this morning!
Got to admit, you've done better than me so far :)
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| Fracturegang |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:35AM
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I think EssayIndustry is honest or a clever spammer. But I trust WritersBeware. He just earned my faith.
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| Fracturegang |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:42AM
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I thought WriterBeware was a hogwash. Now I see that he is smart enough to perceive my words. He failed to bear the burnt and started grunting.
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Oct 13, 09, 04:44AM
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Fracturegang: I thought WriterBeware was a hogwash. Now I see that he is smart enough to perceive my words. He failed to bear the burnt and started grunting.
English, please.
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| EssayIndustry |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:47AM
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Well, in the sake of fairness I just messaged the Admin specifically regarding my post and asked him or her to review, if they have time. I suspect that this forum receives many such requests...
Personally, I don't see how asking writers to volunteer to answer questions about their experience in freelance writing once could be a problem, but I will certainly defer to the Admin's judgment without complaint.
Until then, I don't see any reason to go in circles about what constitutes 'spam'.
I'm certainly happy to discuss anything else of merit though!
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| Fracturegang |
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Oct 13, 09, 04:47AM
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WritersBeware: English, please.
Come on, continue your moaning. Do you want anymore? I will certainly give it to you.
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| WRT |
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Oct 13, 09, 07:16AM
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Fracturegang: Come on, continue your moaning. Do you want anymore? I will certainly give it to you.
You have always been a bumbling idiot but, you have now descended into complete incoherence. Fracturegang: I thought WriterBeware was a hogwash. Now I see that he is smart enough to perceive my words. He failed to bear the burnt and started grunting.
Does anyone know what this means? If so, please enlighten us.
Fracturegang/Salazar = your posts are not written in any form of English we know. Are you using a language which looks like English but isn't? If so, what do you call this `interesting' language?
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Oct 14, 09, 01:06AM
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A big thanks to those of you who took the time to respond (to the survey and this thread). Everyone's input has been (mostly) enlightening and much appreciated.
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Oct 15, 09, 09:54AM
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I was just poking around the site, since I had recently reviewed the site terms and was curious how an "essay writing jobs" section was possible when rule #9 prohibits "advertisement or publicity"... which I rather suspect stems from my other thread here, about who owns this site.
I believe this thread does not, in fact, violate the terms of use. I'm assuming WB was referencing that same rule, which states the site "is not a place for advertisements or publicity"... but I certainly have no idea which company is being advertised here.
It seems to me that a man is asking questions of the writers who frequent this site. That sounds like a pretty good match with the description of this section: "Discuss professional writing issues."
Perhaps a more constructive approach would be to ask whether any conclusive results might be shared. I won't take the survey because I'm not a writer (I'm a programmer, I'm here out of curiosity because a writer friend told me about all the arguing and controversy, and I found some of WB's sleuthing to be intriguing) but I paged through some of it, and I can see how the results might be interesting to everyone if the survey gets enough replies to draw any useful conclusions.
Just an idea.
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Oct 15, 09, 10:23AM
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EssayIndustry, are you planning to let us all know the results of your survey?
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Oct 15, 09, 01:31PM
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rentaghost: EssayIndustry, are you planning to let us all know the results of your survey?
I'm curious as well.
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Oct 17, 09, 01:05AM
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FReynolds, et al.
Posting results might be a good idea. I'm certainly open to it, but I'll have to talk to the rest of my colleagues. I'll at least post the tally of what percent of respondents say that freelance essay writing is primarily: A source of beer money!
You might be surprised.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 17, 09, 03:10AM
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This thread should have been deleted long ago, for two reasons:
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Oct 17, 09, 06:44AM
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WritersBeware. As I already stated above, I sent a message directly to the forum admin with a link to this thread asking them to delete it if they found it was in violation of the TOU. Given that was three or four days ago and the thread is still here I can only assume it is not. In any case, unless you are a forum admin or moderator I don't see that your opinion on the matter is really relevant.
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Oct 17, 09, 08:20AM
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Share the results with us all, though? Would be polite :)
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 17, 09, 01:35PM
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EssayIndustry: In any case, unless you are a forum admin or moderator I don't see that your opinion on the matter is really relevant.
You will discover the relevance of my opinion after I identify your domain.
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| WRT |
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Oct 17, 09, 02:36PM
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WritersBeware: You will discover the relevance of my opinion after I identify your domain.
She does not blow hot air, Essay Industry.
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Edited by: AsianWriter Oct 17, 09, 03:07PM
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WritersBeware, WRT and johnsmith,
I've been looking at your arguments against EssayIndusty's topic, but I honestly can't see anything wrong with the topic. I have also read enough of your past posts to conclude that you guys are logical and (mostly) objective in your arguments. This only leads me to conclude that you probably know EssayIndustry personally or, maybe, you've had some bad experience with him somewhere else. You guys might know something we don't.
Care to share?
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Edited by: johnsmith Oct 17, 09, 03:26PM
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AsianWriter: Care to share?
Not yet. But I (and I suspect a few others) know perfectly well which website EssayIndustry is trying to peddle.
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| EssayIndustry |
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Oct 17, 09, 08:29PM
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Amazing. I have been completely honest and straight forward about my intentions as I can be. I won't pander myself down to whatever bizarre paranoid delusions of grandeur seem to have infected certain members of this thread.
AsianWriter, as you can see from my above postings, I agree with your opinion of WB's other arguments against certain sites, so I am as baffled as you are. My occasional perusal of this site has shown that, while WB has an apparently erratic temperament, she also is usually well informed. So, I am sorry to see that she now insists upon whatever theory is apparently so obvious to the three posters in question, but not at all obvious to me. In any case, since *I* know I cannot possibly represent whatever entity some people seem to think, I fully accept WritersBeware's unilateral challenge. It would be a bit more fair to at least know who I am accused of being, but either way...
I am also sad to see that such a simple, one time call for writers to take a very brief survey has somehow been turned into a circus of odd accusations.
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Edited by: WritersBeware Oct 17, 09, 10:11PM
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EssayIndustry: I am also sad to see that such a simple, one time call for writers to take a very brief survey has somehow been turned into a circus of odd accusations.
Let's stop playing games, shall we? You present yourself as if you represent the little guy. However, I don't think that you care about "helping" anyone. Your goal is to make money—period. To accomplish that goal, you're trying to gain free insight to help build the foundations of your commercial venture.
By the way, I haven't accused you of being anyone or anything other than what you have involuntarily admitted to being: a representative of a commercial enterprise. Until you divulge exactly who and what you represent, you can't expect open arms. The vast majority of people involved in this business are wolves in sheep's clothing. Prove that you're in the minority.
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