For months I have faithfully read all the threads here.

Aren't we all victims of our own prejudices and biases? I am still perplexed and baffled as to the goal we all seek to achieve.

Perhaps, the people who have defrauded us and are still defrauding many, laugh at our backs because there is disunity and disharmony within our own ranks.

Those who use this forum and other forums similar to this for advertisements, be gone! You prostitute and exploit this venue which was created to inform the innocent from being victimized. A venue created so that those victimized can unite and voice dissent for a noble cause. You are even more deplorable than those denounced as scammers because they have the decency of advertising in job web sites!

By earning several degrees with the highest honors, one still cannot claim monopoly of knowledge or of perfection. It is in the imperfections that I become a part of the human race. It is in these imperfections that life becomes a challenge and not a monotonous drab.

We easily castigate others who were victimized as deserving of their fate and therefore deserve to be robbed of every penny they earned BUT have we forgotten into oblivion that we, ourselves were all victimized at one instance? Then why should we further victimize and traumatize them. Are we not even worse than the ones we have denounced and labeled 'Ukrainian/Pakistani' scammers?

How easy it is to hot-brand people as ESL low quality and one belonging to the third world. Arguments fail reason and logic, consequently resulting into a mere fallacy. How is it that we attribute responsibility for the level of economic development of one's country to a victimized writer, a national of that country? Poverty is worldwide, even the streets of a rich nation are littered with beggars and the hungry.

Is the cause that we fight about - race? proficiency in English? our own country standards? economic development of our own respective countries? It is very easy to start a spark for war, a spark to break diplomatic ties.

Or is the cause that we fight about fraud--fraud that traverses territorial jurisdictions of countries; fraud that traverses international borders?

Therefore, if we all maintain only the righteousness and the affluence of our own respective countries or ourselves—we would NEVER achieve anything except hurt others while the endemic fraud we seek to eradicate continues to flourish and pervade.

Exploitation and fraud thrive and multiply in the dark alleys of misinformation and absence of information. Let us all seek to constructively inform.

Let us fight our cause like learned and educated people.

Great,I appreciate what you have mentioned and it makes alot of sense,truly amazing.We as humanbeings can achieve lots through unity but unfortunately that's what we lack, we still keep discriminating ourselves based on colour/origin/caste and over other trivial issues,have we ever thought how we could make this world a better place ? very few of us think to this extent don't we ?rather it's about Americans/Indians/Pakistani's/MIT's and IIT's, let's make it more pleasant by sharing information and by developing ourselves.

Well,50 years from now where would we all be?just give it a thought - in the graveyard , moreover where would our degrees from Oxford,Harvard,Cambridge,and LSE's be - eaten by moth and dust.

My sincere appeal is that let's not discriminate and be judgemental,lets make this world a better place after all we are human .

Blah, blah, blah. Enough with the sob story. You've totally misunderstood the simple point and blown things completely out of proportion with your self-perpetuated inclination to believe the being called an UNQUALIFIED ESL WRITER is the same as being called a racial slur.

It's NOT about discrimination!
It's NOT about racism!
It's NOT about geography!

Unqualified, ESL writers with POOR GRAMMAR AND WORD USE should not be writing for American customers. Period. Is that so difficult to understand? Why can't these ESL writers focus on writing in their native langauge for customers of that same language? C'mon, it's common sense.

I'm not a surgeon, so I'm sure as hell not going to apply for that job! Get the point?

There is a way how to communicate but do not discriminate on the basis of origin and race,then why are you not pointing at poor American writers? people from India and Pakistan are no second class citizens,I feel your logic rubbish and you are just misleading everyone here,you are out of your mind.

I feel your logic is rubbish and you are lost in your own world

Hello Pro!
You said . . .
"Well,50 years from now where would we all be?just give it a thought - in the graveyard , moreover where would our degrees from Oxford,Harvard,Cambridge,and LSE's be - eaten by moth and dust."

I agree and additionally, I would like to say that studying can only inform. It takes a higher degree of education to have HONOR and HUMILITY. For true knowledge HUMBLES a person. Possession of true wisdom and education distinguishes an individual from how the brutes think.
I think it was Oliver Wendell Holmes who said, "The mind of the BIGOT is like pupil of the eye, the more light you pour into it--the more it contracts." Quite very apt, wouldn't you agree.

Hi Chase,

Yes, I agree with you absolutely,not all educated people are humble and responsible.
There are very few educated people in this world who possess great qualities , I also find you so unique in this whole forum which makes me predict what you will become in the future..... great! you have a great future ahead of you .

Another important factor is that , the values inherited/learnt by an Individual makes a huge difference in his/her personality which eventually reflects in his/her personal and family life , wouldn't you agree?

Anybody else hear those crickets?

Hi Pro
I agree fully and I will have to move on to the next level--back to the official world. Allowing others to monitor this. . .quite a reach now-internationally.

Boy, somebody has a stick up their --- about these ESL writers. Don't you think you're being a little harsh here Amabella? I sense a real personal tone of anger in your words when you discuss these writers and just not in this thread.

I wouldn't call it racist but it is prejudice. I don't see the harm in foreigners competing for work here. How many schools have foreign students enrolled? There is a market for say... an Indian who speaks English, no matter how limited. We do live in a free market system, competition is healthy for it. If your work is superior to his you'll get the job... so what's the big deal? Globalization is the trend of the future, you may as well get used to them being in competition with you.

If I were an Indian student, for example, I would love to order writing services from a company based in India that hires only native Indian-speaking writers. Is it not reasonable for Americans to expect the same when they shell out their hard-earned money?

What you fail to acknowledge is that these foreign sites--like BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com, both owned my EssayWriters.net--falsely claim to hire only AMERICAN WRITERS WITH PHD DEGREES in order to fool American customers. This forum proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that these ripoff sites hire ESL writers with poor grammar in the English language because they work for MUCH LESS PAY. This does not mean that the ESL writers are "ignorant," "stupid," or "uneducated." This has nothing to do with racism or prejudice. If I were to study Indian or Urdu and then attempt to write for an Indian company, for Indian or Pakistani customers, I would not be surprised if they were unhappy with my POOR GRAMMAR in Indian or Urdu. Get my point? This has everything to do with Americans being ripped off by foreign companies that hire ESL writers for low wages, and then falsely advertise these ESL writers as "Americans with perfect writing skills in the English language" in order to get top-dollar from misled, American customers. If an Indian site falsely claimed that its American writers were "native Indian-speaking professionals," I would be just as disgusted with THAT deception.

First, I must correct you... hehehehe. Essay Writers didn't claim to hire PhD writers. They required a Bachelors.
Second, I must express my bewilderment over my inability to draft a short post... I'm as baffled as you.
Third, I know it seems like I'm attacking you personally, I'm not. Whether you know it or not a writer writes in the subtext never in the context. I see in your subtext things that trouble me and I'm just trying to understand.

Away we go...

Are you trying to say that Americans don't do or shouldn't do business with companies based in other countries? If you have a cell phone your customer support more than likely comes from India. Same if you have a Dell computer. The list goes on and on.

Degree vs. No Degree

Sweetie, you must be young... under 30 for sure, right?

Life lesson 101: Pedigrees don't mean anything.

In the end it doesn't matter if a PhD or a High School dropout wrote something. What matters is how good the work is. I know a couple people with PhD's and I hate to burst your bubble but they are some of the stupidest people I know. Sure, they're masters in their field but they can hardly function in the real world. The only thing a degree proves is that you were able to put in the time and you were smart enough to remember enough information to gain a passing grade thus earning your degree.

A few years ago I went to get my masters. I met with a counselor and discussed what I wanted to do and my reasons for wanting to do so. She told me not waste my time. Experience not degrees get you work. I learned firsthand how true that statement was. How many instructors do you know at colleges across the country that don't even have a high school diploma? I know one. What he does have are years of experience doing what he teaches.

The waiting list to get into his class is impressive. I suspect if you wanted to learn how to structure fiction you would take a pass on this course because there is no way the instructor can be smarter than you because he doesn't have a degree. It would be your loss. Students of this man have gone on to win Oscars, Pulitzers and other awards. The funniest thing about this guy... he needs an assistant... he doesn't speak English too well.

My sister is another prime example of just how worthless a degree can be. She graduated high school and never went to college, she has no degree. In order to be considered for her job you would need a Masters. The company she works for hired her during the initial interview last year. She wasn't seeking the job, the invited her to apply. They took her over all other applicants who had MBA's. Why? Because of her experience.

You do need to learn to hold less emphasis on a person's education lest you miss out on learning something that later in life you would view as the key to it all. I too at one point in my life was like you. I equated no degree to ignorance. The internet was new and one day I met this guy in a chat room. He was a writer and we had a lot in common. After a few conversations with him I learned he couldn't spell, had piss poor sentence structure skills and almost no vocabulary. I almost bailed. I didn't and I'm both glad and a better writer because of it.


Where I lacked, he either excelled or was able to show me how in a way that clicked within me. With him laying out the foundation I was able to craft quality work, both in non-fiction and fiction. After a couple years I moved onto other projects without him. I wouldn't be where I am today if it weren't for that illiterate bum. The moral of this is that everybody holds value to somebody. Who are you to condemn someone because they don't meet your standards?

I work with many bad writers. I do so because they aspire. They're willing to put in the work even if there's no chance of a sale at the end. They do it because they want to learn. In working with them I've learned too. That's a big thing. As much as you think I'm not on your level with a keyboard squared is how far away from my level you are in structuring and executing stories. If I can learn something from "stupid" people I'm sure you have some room to learn as well. You said you write for yourself. Wonderful. Don't you want to treat yourself to the best writing you're capable of? Don't you aspire?

My point is very focused. You're drifting off on tangent points about which I am not arguing.

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"Our company cooperates only with certified writers, MD holders, professors, researchers and editors. All of them are native English speakers, proficient in their specific area."
- bestessays.com

"Most of our writers hold Masters Degrees and work in the related fields."
- bestessays.com/faq_qualifications.php

"Our writers have received education and have gained experience in many fields. Most of them hold Master and PhD degrees, they are world-recognized and highly in demand."
- superiorpapers.com/faq.php

"Native English professionals"
superiorpapers.com/term_paper_writing_services.php
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The Ukrainians behind EssayWriters.net also own BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com, which bring in the orders (suckers).

Dozens of ESL writers (with only BA degrees or LESS) who currently work or formerly worked for EssayWriters.net have posted here.

Can you defend EssayWriters.net's blatant FRAUD against American consumers?

By the way, I wouldn't be surprised in the crooks edit their pages now, as their paid minions frequent these boards. No matter--I have the screenshots and archive.org.

Not to split hairs but do you see the problem between your two claims? You're running around screaming... ok... ok... TYPING 'they claim to hire ONLY...'

I must admit the first of the three does in fact say only but the rest say MOST. I should also point out that one of the MOST's is from the same site as the first one who said ONLY which could imply a possible typo or breach of communication.

I fail to see the fraud you're speaking of here. As the customer you can either accept or reject the work. If it's good who cares if a MOSTLY PhD wrote it?

I'm new to this whole essay writing thing so I have a question for you... and it's a dumb one I'm sure... WHAT IN THE FRACK IS AN ESL WRITER?!

Battlestar cursing--I LIKE IT!

ESL = English as a Second Language

They contradict their own policies on different pages of their sites because they are LIARS and CON-ARTISTS.

It's difficult for one to keep one's story straight when one is constantly skirting the truth and writing bogus Web copy strictly to entice would-be customers.

Here's a lesson for up-and-coming crooks: preface all of your fraudulent advertising with the word "most," and you'll be fine.

LOL Ambiguity is the best defense!

I hate to say it but that doesn't seem too politically correct... I can see how some would take offence.

I'm dating myself here but I loved the original Galactica... but the new one rocks... best drama around... sucks a$$ through a straw sideways that we have to wait till January for new eps.

I knew Starbuck wasn't dead . . . c'mon!

You thought she was dead... don't fib! What you didn't know is she's a Cylon; one of the final five!

Hmmm, there IS one still up for grabs . . . .

So does custompapers.com hire ESL = English as a Second Language writers? Any suggestions people