| asandhu6666 |
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Aug 21, 09, 12:24AM
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Hi guys, i need help in turning in my paper for a plagiarism check. I am thinking of turnitin.com,
but is there a way that my teacher can find out that I went there to check my paper. Also, do they keep your essays? What about in their database? Is there an option to not get your essay in their database? Thanks a ton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| humble |
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Aug 21, 09, 12:48AM
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Yes you have the option of not storing your paper in the student repository. There is no problem with checking your paper with turnitin. You can and should check your paper, there is nothing to hid there. Most colleges ask their students to do it.
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| Carly |
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Edited by: Carly Aug 21, 09, 11:57AM
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Most plagiarism scanners can highlight problems with citations, missing punctuation in quotations and identify if you've mixed an author's notes in with your own - and a quick scan can protect you from turning in a paper that's full of faults!!
I don't know about you, but when I was at University, I would make piles and piles of notes on cards and post-its before writing - imagine if one of those was a quote and you didn't cite it - you just included it because you came back to it weeks later and thought you'd written it... oops!
I've never used Turnitin though, I thought you had to pay?
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 21, 09, 06:41PM
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turnitin.com is the enemy of all writers-- any writers who are also hackers, or who know hackers, take note!
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| OxbridgeResearchers |
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Aug 21, 09, 06:54PM
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rustyironchains: turnitin.com is the enemy of all writers
any figures on how many students it ruined?
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| EW_writer |
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Aug 21, 09, 08:02PM
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rustyironchains: turnitin.com is the enemy of all writers-
I disagree. I think that turnitin is one of the reasons why we thrive. If turnitin wasn't around, then students wouldn't need us anymore. They can copy and paste stuff on their own. I don't think many professors would take the time to check his students' work on Google.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 22, 09, 08:22AM
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jmho; in defense, I would throw up the idea of turnitin's power as a force of deterrence.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 22, 09, 08:23AM
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do you know any hackers, though? I bet it would be really complicated to take down the whole system. I hear you have to have a teacher ID to access the real one.
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Aug 22, 09, 12:13PM
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rustyironchains: I would throw up the idea of turnitin's power as a force of deterrence.
Well, it won't deter you or me, but it certainly deters the students and writers who only copy and paste material from the web, which is good for us. :D
rustyironchains: do you know any hackers, though?
Nope. >.<
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 22, 09, 07:30PM
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I plagiarize my own work, like John Fogerty.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 22, 09, 07:31PM
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I can only hope turnitin.com will be brought down-- I am convinced it is bad for writers as well as students.
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| OxbridgeResearchers |
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Aug 23, 09, 04:49PM
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rustyironchains: I can only hope turnitin.com will be brought down
:) the support it has among universities around the world make it unlikely :( Can you believe that every university inthe UK has signed up?!
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 23, 09, 09:59PM
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someone needs to find a professor with a password, and then contact a hacker.
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| exwriter |
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Aug 24, 09, 12:13AM
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Turnitin is only a bad thing if the writer or the student are unable to submit plagairism free coursework. Any GOOD writer or student will not be affected by this program as the work WILL show up as NON PLAGAIRISED.
rustyironchains: I plagiarize my own work, like John Fogerty.
Therein lies your problem. As a writer EACH piece is supposed to be an original and NOT taken from ANY previous work, either YOUR own or SOMEONE else's. If you cannot provide an original piece of work then you should not be working as a freelance writer.
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| pheelyks |
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Aug 24, 09, 12:38AM
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exwriter: As a writer EACH piece is supposed to be an original and NOT taken from ANY previous work, either YOUR own or SOMEONE else's
Though i agree with you in principle, this is not exactly a noble profession...I understand rusty's position of making the easiest dollar possible. Not only is that how most business works, it's also in the spirit of most customer's requests. They are looking for an easy way to get a grade; they have money, they buy the paper. I'm looking for an easy way to join the middle class, and I happen to be excellent at writing ********. It's a match made in....limbo?
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| OxbridgeResearchers |
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Aug 24, 09, 03:28AM
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rustyironchains: someone needs to find a professor with a password
I have institutional/instructor access. The only real difference between it and the student panel is that it allows us to create classes, assignments, set deadlines for the assignments, select whether the papers will be stored or not, which databases they will be compared against and whether students can access their originality reports or not. Objectively speaking, when used as an insructional tool, it really is very good. A lot of students, especially international ones (Chinese and Japanese in particular), really do not know what plagiarism is and do not know that they should place everything they take from other sources within quotation marks - they plagiarise without intending to. Turnitin really helps in that regard.
Exwriter and Pheelyks - welcome back, your posts and presence were missed :)
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 24, 09, 07:19AM
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everyone always forgets Korea. anyway, you can get behind the idea of taking down turnitin.com from any perspective. from teaching, it is an invasive grading system-- maybe I want to give someone an A; it should be up to me, not some software. from hack term paper writing, yes, it's all about turnover and quantity for money, not having OCD and driving myself crazy doing 15 of the exact same paper on healthcare administration. spare me your moral outrage. so, turnitin.com messes me up there. from a cheating student, it's obvious-- turnitin.com is the enemy, an invasive force of the ******** who try to make school as miserable as possible. we need to unite and find a way to detach and sink its entire system.
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| exwriter |
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Aug 25, 09, 12:07AM
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OxbridgeResearchers: Exwriter and Pheelyks - welcome back, your posts and presence were missed :)
Thanks - I haven't had much free time lately, hence the absence.
rustyironchains: from a cheating student, it's obvious-- turnitin.com is the enemy, an invasive force of the ******** who try to make school as miserable as possible.
So you would encourage students to plagairise then I guess. Coming from someone who professes to be a published writer I find that remarkable. Are you really suggesting that you would have no problem with someone using your work as their own- despite any effort you have put into doing the research for? If so, you are not a serious writer, as a serious writer would pride themselves in having accomplished producing a quality piece of research, and would abhor the idea of someone coming along and using their work, professing to have done the research themselves.
The whole idea behind having to do the essays is to demonstrate to the university that the student possesses the necessary research skills required for the chosen profession they intend to pursue. Using someone else's without giving that researcher the credit for the work done shows a lack of integrity and honesty, which should reflect on the employability of that individual in the future.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 25, 09, 07:14AM
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exwriter-- honestly, and don't take this the wrong way, but **** what you think it means to be a serious writer. I am a published author, which I'm very serious about. when I am doing other people's homework for money... not so serious. there's no pride to either get in the way or cause other problems for term-paper mills-- this is about money. I am not fine with people coming along and using my work, and I'm not sure why you assume this. I have shut down several websites posting my papers without permission, using lawyers. to me, the "whole point of the university" was to party and have fun, and I'm sorry for you for being so ******* earnest, supercilious, and stick in the mud about your personal ethics. I find it sort of funny, actually, since this industry is an ethical minefield in the first place, and you're taking even one step... what does your name mean, again?
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| EW_writer |
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Aug 25, 09, 08:23AM
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rustyironchains: to me, the "whole point of the university" was to party and have fun,
... and ace subjects to graduate with top honors anyway. Booyah! :D
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 25, 09, 12:36PM
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I once got a B in a class I never actually attended.
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| exwriter |
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Aug 25, 09, 11:35PM
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rustyironchains: what does your name mean, again?
That I used to write until I realised how my work was being used. If you care to read my earlier posts you would already know this as I explained how I was sent an email from an essay writing site asking if I would write model answers for universities (which is honestly what I thought I was doing). When I discovered this was untrue I stopped writing.
Employers presume university students are trained in the areas they studied in and earned their qualifications honestly. Would you be happy having a doctor operate on you who jad cheated their way through med school?
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 26, 09, 06:58AM
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exwriter-- I remember a post in which one of the regulars tried to compliment you by saying that you should write again, and you claimed the ex was for excellent. so, the truth means many things, right?
re: med school, I'll leave you to your karma; I have my own. taking your metaphor literally is impossible: people are afraid of surgery as a baseline, and most of med school is monitor-based practice. you should have said "ESL nurse," btw, but I guess you didn't stick around long enough to realize that.
despite your puling, I will write papers for any client. I have only refused one order, and it was a crazy customer with an argument supporting racist propaganda. we all draw our little lines in the sand.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 26, 09, 07:07AM
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exwriter-- also, I refuse to believe you actually thought you were writing model essays. we all have our excuses for hacking it, or not.
also, I just wanted to say, nothing against ESL nurses. some of these people have like 10 years of experience being an awesome nurse, and just don't know how to write papers in English.
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| exwriter |
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Aug 26, 09, 08:49AM
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rustyironchains: you should have said "ESL nurse," btw, but I guess you didn't stick around long enough to realize that.
Actually no, that was not my point at all. I was not criticising anyone for their language skills etc, I was merely pointing out that ANYONE who CHEATS their way through university by PAYING someone else to do their coursework for them should be questioned on their ability to perform the job they are SUPPOSEDLY qualified to do.
As for whether you believe my claim about the model answers or not I do not care, however, I can assure you that I DID in fact receive an email from AA purportedly recruiting writers to SUPPPOSEDLY write for Birmingham university. As I was just starting work following the completion of my BVC I thought that it would be an excellent opportunity to earn some extra money to repay my loans. When it became obvious that these essays were in fact for some law student to idle to write their own paper I quit.
The claim about being EXCELLENT was not to demonstrate that I supposedly still write, but that when I DID write my work was excellent. I have not written essays in the last 3 years, nor would I consider doing so in the future. I prefer to tutor students, so that they can write their own excellent pieces of work, and have assisted by proofreading and making editorial comments and suggestions in which the work might be improved. By doing this the student is actually made to work to achieve their own grade and not simply submit someone else's work as their own.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 26, 09, 01:13PM
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(yawn) for not caring, that was quite a way to go. anyway, I suppose someone should give you a reward, for making such fascinating moral stand. maybe they already have. I see what you mean by serious now...
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 26, 09, 01:18PM
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sometimes I put anagrams in the papers for the teachers to detect, but I never know if they work.
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Aug 26, 09, 06:33PM
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I also had a program that would randomly generate hilarious, dirty insults, and I would seed all my papers with it regularly. I wish I still had it; it was from back when spark.com had cool free stuff.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 27, 09, 12:43PM
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I am a teacher, too.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 27, 09, 12:44PM
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hi 5!
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Aug 29, 09, 12:45PM
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OxbridgeResearchers states:
"I have institutional/instructor access [to Turnitin]"
If you looks at Turnitin rules you shall see that it is AGAINST their contract and rules for anyone to have access to Turnitin for a profitmaking essay writing company. Only university teacher and professor can have access to check student work.
SO YOU OxbridgeResearcher who own essay company are break the Turnitin rules - because you using software to purpose which is against contract. Maybe you should call Turnitin and tell them how you use their software - and how you got it in first place. Maybe they have see your passport already on here eh? ;)
Like to comment on such legal situation OxbridgeResearchers? You always like posting on here and think you are expert in all things - are you expert in reading Turnitin contract too? ;)
I am still wait legal action for you - but in UK, stating opinion backed up by fact is not offence in law (maybe where you coming from...). You know as much law as I knows Egyption hyrogliphics!
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| pheelyks |
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Aug 29, 09, 01:14PM
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asif4444: Egyption hyrogliphics
For the love of God, at least look up words that you have no idea how to spell! It takes like, two seconds online. Christ.
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Aug 29, 09, 01:33PM
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asif4444: Egyption hyrogliphics
As a lecturer, let me say: you have no idea what you're talking about. As is so often the case, you are plain wrong. There is NOTHING to stop a university lecturer with Turnitin access working for an essay writing company. NOTHING. What you're talking about is institutional purchase agreements and licences, which I dare say Turnitin would refuse to grant for custom essay sites. But your central point is dead wrong, and I'm sure anyone with half a brain on here has already sussed you for an egotistical moron. Plus, you can't spell for toffee.
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| pheelyks |
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Aug 29, 09, 01:35PM
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cocklejoe: Plus, you can't spell for toffee.
Is there a toffee reward for spelling? I love me some toffee. And sum spellin'.
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Aug 29, 09, 02:52PM
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cocklejoe: As is so often the case, you are plain wrong.
There's an inherent flaw in your argument. You are employing an appeal to logos when there is none :)
asif4444: SO YOU OxbridgeResearcher who own essay company are break the Turnitin rules
pheelyks: I love me some toffee.
Do you have MacKintosh in the States - best toffee ever :) Going to run down to the sweet shop and buy me a pack now ...
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| FreelanceWriter |
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exwriter: Actually no, that was not my point at all. I was not criticising anyone for their language skills etc, I was merely pointing out that ANYONE who CHEATS their way through university by PAYING someone else to do their coursework for them should be questioned on their ability to perform the job they are SUPPOSEDLY qualified to do.
I don't understand your logic at all. Assuming for the sake of argument that the students at issue do turn in other people's work as their own, the only people whose ability to do a job is "questionable" by virtue of cheating in that way would be someone whose job involves writing. If we're talking about nurses and engineers, their cheating on writing assignments is about as relevant to their future careers as their cheating at a toll booth by tossing in a slug instead of real coins. I don't think too many people who need to cheat on writing assignments choose future careers that require substantial writing either.
As a matter of fact, a very good friend of mine has been a practicing RN for 10 years now and he's great at his job, he's tremendously appreciated by all of his patients and his employers alike. Unfortunately, he's always been a very poor writer so I wrote about a half-dozen nursing papers for him when he was in nursing school. He worked very hard driving cabs to pay for nursing school, he studied very hard to pass his tests in school and his licensing exam, but he just can't write very well. My writing some papers on high-fiber diets, Freudian psychology, and schizophrenia for him had absolutely no bearing on his nursing skills. It would seem to me that cheating on substantive exams is much more relevant to professional qualifications than cheating on writing assignments, particularly when the topic of papers is completely a matter of arbitrary choice of the student to pick any topic related to nursing, as it so often is.
There are issues of honesty and fairness that could be argued but it's baffling how myopic your agenda is that you believe plagiarism in any academic area necessarily corresponds to questionable technical qualifications in every conceivable professional field. It's a pretty stupid statement.
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| rustyironchains |
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Aug 30, 09, 03:59PM
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word em up!
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| OxbridgeExpert |
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Aug 31, 09, 01:43AM
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OxbridgeResearchers - you claim that you have instructor/institutional access to Turnitin and that you use that for commercial purposes. You realise that this is against their regulations. You admit your deceit and dishonesty, so why should any student trust such a deceitful dishonest essay company then?
You have stated your name and company here so Turnitin finding out which institution you are at will not be a problem. But nice to know you are happy to be so open about your deceit - I am sure your 'institution' (a mental home perhaps?) will be delighted to hear about how your company encourged plagiarism and how you market it to your students; and Turnitin will be delighted too to learn about how you break their rules.
No surprise really because your whole company is based on deceit - you have no Oxbridge qualified writers and yet call yourself OxbridgeResearchers! How dishonest!
Also, you break the rules here by advertising with your poster name, but then we all know how dishonest EssayScam site is and who owns and runs it... And we all know nthe usual abusive morons who post here too because they are so sad they have nothing else to do.
You think you are invincible for some odd reason - but then you are a very odd woman all in all. Also, please learn how to speak English, not Americanese! 'Buy me a pack now'? YUK!
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Aug 31, 09, 02:17AM
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OxbridgeExpert: advertising with your poster name
you know that my handle - it is not called poster name Asif - has nothing to do with my website names. Do not need to tell you that as you now.
OxbridgeExpert: Also, please learn how to speak English, not Americanese! 'Buy me a pack now'? YUK!
You really are a fool! You have the temerity to correct British English! How many times can you prove yourself wrong?
As stated, publish evidence
1) that I or any acting in my name, scammed anyone
2) that my company ever submitted anything except work which fully satisfied the receipient
3) that any of my websites make any false claims
4) that I was at any point in time ever FIRED by any company at all - you named Academia. Pls ask Sean or Alex to send you any proof whatsoever so that I may publish the counterevidence, in the form of screenshots which cannot be tampered with.
Please feel free to expose me. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Scurry over to any of my sites and pick out a single false claim and come on over and post the link. As you are such a do-gooder, you need to warn customers and writers about me. Show them the proof pls. It is important that you bring down scammers.
Asif - what is your agenda? whether as asif or now under your new name - total of 34 posts, 33 about me, including the first four.
You signed up on the 9th May and have posted about none but me :) I signed up on the 2 May. So, as if I will take you seriously ... you think I cannot do the math? Why dont you try to get on with your life - or do you not have a life now????
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Aug 31, 09, 03:34AM
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OxbridgeResearchers
I really have got you rattled, haven't I? I am not the one who is at all worried - your should be however, when Turnitin and your 'university' find out what you have been doing. Your problem.
'Do the math' is NOT British English you illiterate fool! Nor is 'buy me a pack now'. British English would say 'maths' and 'buy a pack now'. 'Buy me a pack now' would be a request, usually followed by 'please' in British culture (not yours of course). Trust me - I am far more educated than you are your type could ever hope to be.
Your posting of irrelevant links to others' opinions on this site means nothing and never has. Can you not see your dunce that this is not an objective site at all and any fool can post any opinion here - you constantly try and accuse other sites of being somehow dishonest and scammers (I shall not mention them - but they are your competition, non?). Everyone here - except the morons - knows to take what is said here with a very large pinch of salt.
But then you are guilty of deceit and dishonesty - you call your company OxbridgeResearchers despite having no writers with Oxbridge qualifications - that may be within the letter of the law but not within the spirit of the law and is a deliberate attempt to deceive and mislead customers and make them confuse you silly little company with your big competition; and then you use your poster name here to advertise you site - rather desperately, one feels. This is breaking the rules of this site but then EssayScam is run by an essay site too. A truly confident company does not need to lie about their competition.
I care not one jot what you say or what you think of me or anyone else - you have delusions of grandeur and are really full of it! - and will certainly not be doing anything you request. You have ignored all requests to state how many writers you have with Oxbridgedegrees, or state where you have instructor access to Turnitin. Fine. Now that organisation can investigate you and cause you reall problems. Good luck - you'll need it.
And, by the way dumbo, I did not state anything you claim I stated - that was Asif, whose honest posts were removed dispute your vile, abusive and possibly libellous posts remaining.
And learn how to speak British English please - you really are making a first class fool of yourself here! 'Do the math' indeed. Ugh!
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