| rogerb |
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Oct 28, 10, 11:03AM
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If you are a student who ordered an essay - what would be worse:
A. Not to receive the ordered essay at all.
B. Receive an essay on time but irrelevant, plagiarized, or poorly written?
In which case would you be more pissed? :-
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| stu4 |
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Oct 28, 10, 12:34PM
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Reputable companies only accept:
C. Receive good and relevant essay on time.
But from student point of view it's always better to receive something than nothing. You use essay as an example to write your own piece after all right?
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 28, 10, 01:53PM
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stu4: But from student point of view it's always better to receive something than nothing. You use essay as an example to write your own piece after all right?
Not when it's the kind of sh*t that most of your writers put out. If you can't even understand the point that the writer is trying to make, and if that point is completely off-topic when it CAN be figured out (and when the margins are set to two inches all around so there's only half the paper that customers were expecting, it's still useless as an example. And then you (the company) tries to claim that the order was completed so no refund will be issued.
Customers, here's the deal: legitimate companies do not complete every order they receive. Sometimes there simply isn't a writer available to accomplish what is requested in the desired timeframe. Sh*tty scam companies like stu4's and rogerb's ALWAYS finish EVERY order because there's always someone that can PLAGIARIZE other work and write some incoherent sentences to add to it. Then they think they are entitled to keep the customer's money, and when the customer complains they usually fine the writer without giving anything back to the customer. The only winners here are the owners, and they love it.
If I were a customer, I would rather receive nothing than a useless piece of sh*t because it would be that much easier to get my money back. Nice try, rogerb, but you and stu4 are both crooks and dumba$$es and it's pretty obvious to most of us here.
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| EW_writer |
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Oct 28, 10, 05:01PM
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stu4: But from student point of view it's always better to receive something than nothing. You use essay as an example to write your own piece after all right?
Wrong. Students pay good money to receive excellent, custom-written projects. Receiving a piece of crap is just as bad as receiving nothing at all. Even in a world where students actually do just use what they buy as a model (HAHA!), handing them sh*t would still do them no good.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 01:35PM
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I would be more pissed off to not recieve an essay at all. If you recieve a bad essay, at least you can fix it.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 01:47PM
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theGuardian: If you recieve a bad essay, at least you can fix it.
Not if it has nothing to do with your topic and is in completely unintelligible English. Everyone, be sure to order from TheGuardian's new essay company (hosted on a free blog site, so you know it's good).
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 01:57PM
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pheelyks: Not if it has nothing to do with your topic and is in completely unintelligible English
That is a good point. I was thinking optimistically about a bad essay. I did not even consider off-topic essays or unintelligible English. I was only considering a poorly constructed or short essay.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 02:53PM
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theGuardian: I did not even consider
You haven't considered a whole plethora of issues related to operating an essay company. That's why your business will fail, despite the best possible intentions (which I don't believe you have, anyway).
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| WRT |
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Edited by: WRT Oct 30, 10, 03:10PM
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theGuardian: I was thinking optimistically about a bad essay.
What on earth are you trying to say?
Customers - when you receive a bad essay, adopt an optimistic attitude towards it all. Yes, you were robbed and played for a fool but, you are still alive and the sun is still shinning. The world has not come to an end!
theGuardian - bad essay = theft.
Optimism ...
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 03:27PM
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pheelyks: That's why your business will fail, despite the best possible intentions (which I don't believe you have, anyway).
Maybe my business will fail, maybe not. I hope that I do succeed in the essay game and i am able to provide high quality essays to those in need for reasonable prices. I really am genuine about my intentions. I would never knowingly screw over someone. I am just not that kind of person.
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| EW_writer |
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Oct 30, 10, 05:46PM
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theGuardian: I hope that I do succeed in the essay game and i am able to provide high quality essays
Not with this mindset:
theGuardian: If you recieve a bad essay, at least you can fix it. |
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 05:54PM
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I think he's gone now, anyway, EW. Resorted to calling me a troll and "conceded" the argument based on this assessment of my character. I, of course, have been deeply hurt, and remain worried that he will soon put us all out of business...
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 06:23PM
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EW_writer: Not with this mindset: theGuardian: If you recieve a bad essay, at least you can fix it.
You took the quote out of context. I was stating that if I had the choice of receiving no essay or receiving a bad essay, I would choose the bad essay.Which would you choose?
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 07:06PM
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If you took the time to read the entire thread and actually knew something about the way legitimate companies operate versus the way the scam companies operate, you would see that EW's comment was completely relevant and that he did not misconstrue the context of your statement. BAD companies finish every essay ever ordered so they can claim the product was delivered and refuse refunds. GOOD companies often have more orders placed than they can fulfill, and refund the orders that they don't complete.
Again. You ought to do a little research into your proposed industry before trying to start a business. This is another thing that Brin, Page, and Zuckerberg all did and that makes your "company" entirely different from what Google and Facebook were like as startups.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 07:17PM
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pheelyks: If you took the time to read the entire thread and actually knew something about the way legitimate companies operate versus the way the scam companies operate, you would see that EW's comment was completely relevant and that he did not misconstrue the context of your statement. BAD companies finish every essay ever ordered so they can claim the product was delivered and refuse refunds. GOOD companies often have more orders placed than they can fulfill, and refund the orders that they don't complete. Again. You ought to do a little research into your proposed industry before trying to start a business. This is another thing that Brin, Page, and Zuckerberg all did and that makes your "company" entirely different from what Google and Facebook were like as startups.
If I had the choice of receiving no essay or receiving a bad essay, I would choose the bad essay. I have not started my business yet, I am preparing my business. I still have the ability to change certain aspects of my business before diving into essay writing.
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| EW_writer |
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Edited by: EW_writer Oct 30, 10, 07:26PM
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theGuardian: You took the quote out of context. I was stating that if I had the choice of receiving no essay or receiving a bad essay, I would choose the bad essay.Which would you choose?
If I was a client, I'd choose neither. If I "had" to choose, there wouldn't be a point in choosing so I still wouldn't bother (I would however, bother my credit card company for a chargeback). If I had to choose at gunpoint, I'd flip a coin. Still think I quoted you out of context?
pheelyks: he will soon put us all out of business...
Right... with writers who are happily willing to work for no more than $5/page. >.<
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:00PM
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EW_writer: If I was a client, I'd choose neither. If I "had" to choose, there wouldn't be a point in choosing so I still wouldn't bother (I would however, bother my credit card company for a chargeback). If I had to choose at gunpoint, I'd flip a coin. Still think I quoted you out of context?
You did quote me out of context. you made it sound as if I would send someone a bad essay. I would never do this.I was simply trying to state that I would choose a bad essay over no essay if i was forced to make a decision. I would not flip a coin as you would do.EW_writer: Right... with writers who are happily willing to work for no more than $5/page. >.<
As I have stated previously, I have come to the conclusion that $5 is too low. I do not want to overcharge, but $5 is too low.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:04PM
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theGuardian: you made it sound as if I would send someone a bad essay
No, he didn't. If that's how you read his quote and subsequent statement, that's a failing of your intelligence and not EW's ethics.
theGuardian: I do not want to overcharge
Do you understand the concept of supply and demand at even the most basic level? The price of a good is determined by the amount consumers will pay for it given a specific limited supply of that product. The industry average for per-page rates is by definition NOT "overcharging" precisely because consumers have shown that this is the correct price.
Someone needs to go back to school....
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:08PM
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EW_writer: I hope that I do succeed in the essay game and i am able to provide high quality essays Not with this mindset: theGuardian: If you recieve a bad essay, at least you can fix it.
EW is implying that I will not provide quality essays because I believe that bad essays are better than no essay at all.pheelyks: Do you understand the concept of supply and demand at even the most basic level? The price of a good is determined by the amount consumers will pay for it given a specific limited supply of that product. The industry average for per-page rates is by definition NOT "overcharging" precisely because consumers have shown that this is the correct price. Someone needs to go back to school....
Writing is a service and not a product. Consumers buy essays at the high rate because they have to if they want something of good quality.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:14PM
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theGuardian: EW is implying that I will not provide quality essays because I believe that bad essays are better than no essay at all.
Are you sure you don't mean inferring? Just kidding, but in all seriousness, NO, he isn't. Again, READ the thread, or at least read my explanation of how this business works. Providing no essay is a better thing than providing a bad essay for very specific reasons.
theGuardian: Writing is a service and not a product.
The essays that people by are a product. By your understanding of things, I am not purchasing lettuce at the supermarket, I am purchasing a farmer's services. Don't you work at a supermarket? Is that really how you think things work?
theGuardian: Consumers buy essays at the high rate because they have to if they want something of good quality.
Yes...that was my point. Consumers have decided that paying for quality is worth a certain price. Charging below that price will not enable you to pay writers competitively with other high quality essay sites. If you want to write "high quality" essays (or as high quality essays as you are able to) for way less than the going rate, that just makes you an idiot. Of course, you already admitted you were bad at math....
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:21PM
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pheelyks: The essays that people by are a product. By your understanding of things, I am not purchasing lettuce at the supermarket, I am purchasing a farmer's services. Don't you work at a supermarket? Is that really how you think things work?
Essays are not produced or manufactured nor grown. Lettuce is a physical good and the farmer simply provides a service by which supermarkets obtain the lettuce.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 30, 10, 08:33PM
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theGuardian: Essays are not produced
Yes, they are. As in, when I write an essay, I produce it. If the "growth" thing has you confused, what about manufactured items like, say, a candlestick? Is the candlestick maker providing a service or a good? At this point it's a matter of semantics, but I still say you're a dumba$$ who has to resort to minuscule quibbles instead of making substantive arguments.
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| WritersBeware |
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Oct 30, 10, 09:01PM
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theGuardian: produced or manufactured nor grown
Please learn how to properly use "nor." Thank you.
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| theGuardian |
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Oct 31, 10, 10:10AM
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pheelyks: Yes, they are. As in, when I write an essay, I produce it. If the "growth" thing has you confused, what about manufactured items like, say, a candlestick? Is the candlestick maker providing a service or a good? At this point it's a matter of semantics, but I still say you're a dumba$$ who has to resort to minuscule quibbles instead of making substantive arguments.
A candlestick is produced. Candle wax is produced. A candlestick is a good. An essay is a service becausethe buyer does not generally, except by exclusive contract, obtain exclusive ownership of the thing purchased. This is the same reason why teaching is a service.
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| pheelyks |
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Oct 31, 10, 12:26PM
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theGuardian: This is the same reason why teaching is a service.
NO, it's completely different. Teaching does not result in the production of a tnagible good--the benefit that is gained from a teacher is intangible. House cleaning is a service because there is no tangible good transferred; lawyers provide a service because there is no tangible good provided. Writing is a service, but it produces a TANGIBLE PRODUCT--i.e. an essay, in the industry we're discussing. And you're still a dumba$$.
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