Personal Writers are better than Writing Companies to work with?

It is better to work with a personal writer than a writing agency. There are thousands of good writers out there but how do you find them? Ask google. Some of them will pop up.

Personal writers? You mean independent writers I am guessing as opposed to freelance writers.

Freelance writers and independent writers are one in the same. Independent writers just publicize their availability whereas a company will do the publicizing for the freelance writer. However, you get the same writer in each aspect. For instance, I am a freelance and independent writer. I write occasionally for a website and do my own thing. I guarantee you nearly all writers will fall into this category or write exclusively for a company as a freelancer.

I do not write for ANY company. I am a 100% independent writer!

Do you want a cookie?

I'm sure you're embarrassed for many sweeping generalizations. This is why you've refrained from the main topic.

Well said MeoKhan. I meant independent writers. I am also an independent freelance writer.

I think freelance writers are much better choice.

But my experience with a writer at elance was so pathetic..he was my private writer

most freelance writers in this industry are independent, to the extent that they are able to write for as many companies as they can without a conflict of interest. some still have time to find clients here, on top of everything else; I guess it's good to stay busy.

but when someone says, "I don't write for any companies," but still wants your business here on the forum, that's a signal for you to use caution. there's likely a good reason that person isn't able to get work the easy way.

Oh...of course I am embarrassed on an anonymous online forum. Join reality. If you look I said WRITERS. You are clearly no writer. Game over..try again.

Personal writer can by better than writing companies because they depend on word of mouth publicity and therefore are more diligent in their work. But it is a risk you have to take both for independent writer or company.

Andywoods57 where do you come from originally?

I guess they are better but they generally take more cash, from my experience

Thanks for your invaluable contribution, but it is a bit too late.

No; it's never too late to post on a general thread topic. What's awkward and embarrassing is when one, for example, addresses the specific question of a years-old post within that general thread.

The iron chains in your brain are too rusty now because you're dreaming of me even in a thread where I have not posted. You know you're so hilarious a person especially when you beg for cheap attention. Why do you waste so much time in doing nothing but speak utter nonsense? Get a life bro! Stop cyber-stalking me.

Now, don't make a post in which you so ridiculously try to impress me (and the random visitor) by making a fake show of your bravery saying that you had weapons drawn at someone in your school. Lolz!

Speaking of random visitors, I should explain that I am just giving Meowcon a little lesson from another thread. The lesson was that he shouldn't try to bully (in his gentle, sycophantic, and wrong-headed echo of WB) a new poster who was simply adding to an older, general topic.

As for whether you're impressed by me or not, Meowcon, that's not very high on my list of priorities. But make no mistake-- I drew that weapon myself.

In any case, wouldn't taking a few English lessons be more productive than annoying people who are making legitimate posts? Speaking of "getting a life..."

Haha, looks like I always hit your right in your brain with your neurons so rusty.

Btw, you've tried to hide your embarrassment of posting in the wrong thread very well. But you know what? You failed, and that also miserably.

Please do not ever try to teach me what or how I should post. People like you do not qualify up to that level. Do your job you're so good at: Waste your (and our too) time by posting meaninglessly all the time.

Let's not get distracted by the side-issue of your being an incompetent forum watchdog, and stick to the main issue of your incompetence as a writer. After that, we can talk about all sorts of embarrassment and failure. Can you first tell me what's wrong with the above sentence?

Consider this a free English lesson, seeing as how you didn't answer my above question.
PS-- If I were posting in the wrong thread, why would I reference a specific poster in that thread?

Haha. What you do is a side-issue, and what I do is sheer incompetence? Why are you giving unsolicited explanations then? Your arrogance has ruined you. Get a life.

Your'e asking too many questions, Meowcon, and you haven't answered any of mine. It's hardly a conversation if you can't answer a question.

Tell me what's wrong with the sentence above. Then we can talk about what's wrong with a lower-level intermediate ESL speaker who has yet to fully master basic elements of the English language presenting himself as a competent writer of academic model essays in English.

I will NOT claim that I am a competent writer. Delivering is better than making claims. But, my point is simply to say that I work in the essay writing industry and have served, and am still serving, people even from US, UK, and Australia (natives) + ESL and EFL clients.

I have never claimed that my English is perfect, or my writing style is the same as someone who grew up in US or UK in an English speaking community (and that also standard English).

Still I get clients: So, maybe they find with me what they are looking for. You cannot stop them from working with me, can you?

However, this is not the point. The point is that I am fed up, and I am sure other members are too, of your pointing out the same thing time and again: My poor grasp (in your eyes) of English. You need to understand that this industry is global and there is place for anyone as a writer if they can sell their services with honesty.

If you hate my English so much as to point it out every time, then simply you should convince the moderator of this forum to get me out so that my English doesn't bother you any more. Or, do not just talk to me. If these two things are not possible, you need to accept it the way it is. Simple.

Generally, the distinction between individual writers and essay-company writers is non-existent except in the case of writers who just aren't good enough to get hired by any company in the first place. In my experience, every academic writer who is good enough to earn a fulltime living doing this works for essay companies and also takes as much freelance work as possible. Essay companies usually have hundreds of writers and they range from very good experienced writers to very bad totally inexperienced writers who just end up getting fired after the first few unlucky recipients of their essays complain about the horrible work they received. Having written thousands of essays for some of the biggest and best essay companies in the industry since 2003, I can also attest to the fact that it takes at least several years to earn enough repeat business and referrals from freelance clients to make the successful shift from relying substantially on company work to relying almost exclusively on freelance work. All of the writers I know who have managed to do that were the best and highest-producing company writers first.

One advantage to using a freelance writer directly is that communications are more direct instead of through a company messaging system; another advantage is that we have even more incentive to making sure that our freelance clients are happy because we know that each client could represent several years of regular work for us whereas we regard every company order as an isolated, stand-alone project since we usually don't know what customer places what order and we just take whatever assignments we want regardless of who actually placed the order. Contrary to what many customers assume, essay companies can't actually "assign" any work to specific writers even when you request us. On occasion, (new) company administrators sometimes just placed an order on my account on their own because someone requested me and then they immediately removed it when I sent a message reminding them that they can't do that to me if I'm an independent contractor and that I don't ever want any orders placed on my account unless I choose to take them because that's totally contrary to what our contract says. As far as pricing goes, the best freelance writers typically charge about the same as the best essay companies; the main difference is that essay companies take approximately half the total amount paid by customers whereas freelancers don't have to split their fees with anybody.

Obviously, an established essay company is safer than some totally unknown person soliciting customers from a generic email address, but most of us who have done both types of work for many years have always used the same email address for as long as we've been doing this and the exact same forum screen name as our essay-company writer names, which means we have as much invested in our reputations as established companies have in theirs. New customers of any company or any freelance writer should always place a small order first before risking a major investment. Once you're happy with work from an essay company, you should always make sure that you request only the specific writer whose work you liked, because if you don't, your subsequent order could be filled by any one of hundreds of other writers who might take the order after it's posted on the company assignment board for their writers. It could also linger untaken by any writer until your deadline passes and you don't have any way of knowing whether or not any writer has actually taken the assignment off the assignment board until you email and get a response from customer service. Some companies may have added some kind of notification capability in that regard more recently, but years ago, I used to offer to check the company boards for customers who were also members here just as a courtesy so they'd know whether or not their orders had been taken.

When there is a vacuum in advertising opportunity, FW hears the clarion call. TL;DR.

To answer my own question, the main problem with the above-quoted sentence is that you have serious problems with both common prepositions (high beginner ESL) and phrasal verbs (intermediate ESL). If I were your teacher in an intermediate or advanced ESL class, I would try to have you moved to a lower class, so that I wouldn't have to fail you. If I were moderator, I would give you a lifetime ban.



How about it, mods? FW uses this place for customers, too, but he is at least a technically competent writer, so if you can conceptualize ethics in this environment, his ambulance-chasing here is, relative to MeoKhan's existence as a disgusting fraud, pretty harmless. Do you see it that way, too?

I would really appreciate if the moderator of this forum can share his/her/their position on this viewpoint by Editor75 so that we can call a spade a spade.

I am not so sure about that. These days, it is difficult to find a private writer that can be trusted because the con writers have been wreaking havoc on the independent writer industry. They have been blackmailing students, not delivering papers, not communicating with the student, all of which have led the students to develop a certain degree of distrust for privately hired writers. When dealing with an academic writing company, most of these problems are eliminated although, the quality of the paper is not assured because of the possibility of the company assigning the paper to a 3rd rate writer, just to get the client to pay for the order. That is not to say though that I am making a blanket statement that independent writers should be distrusted. There are those who are trustworthy and really take care of their reputation as a solo writer. It is just a bit difficult to find them because Google no longer allows independent academic writers to be listed in their search engine. However, sites like EssayScam have made it a lot easier to find reliable writers to deal with so, provided the student is willing to take the chance, finding an independent writer through ES just might be his ticket towards a properly written academic paper.

Independent writers are better to deal with in the long run because there is a direct line of communication between the client and the writer. There can be no miscommunication or misunderstanding because there is no company middle man to muddle the issue. Companies tend to try to control the writer and the client when an order is being completed by becoming the communication bridge between the two parties. This is where the confusion and miscommunication comes in because some of these companies will be coming out of Europe and other third world areas that do not really speak English at the native language level. The company itself creates the problem for the writers and the clients because they can barely put together a coherent English thought, much less speak or write it. So if a client can find an ENL independent writer to work with, I strongly urge the client to go down that writing route rather than the company writer hiring option.

It depends on the company. If you are given direct contact with your writer, then a company can be as good to work with as an indie writer. It also depends on the company's overall professionalism and customer service. Just because you may have contact with the writer doesn't mean the company is worth a hill of beans. Indie writers are sometimes more flexible, too, as they aren't answering to a company. Overall, though, to say one is better than the other isn't possible as it really depends on the company and/or the individual with whom you are working.

I know of no essay company that even allows writers and customers to contact one another directly, let alone that purposely facilitates that contact by providing either of them the other's information. They purposely use a messaging system that ensures that writers and customers remain anonymous to one another and identifiable only by the writer's user name and the customer's order #. They also use software that scrubs and/or flags any personal emails or phone numbers from messages, precisely because they know that writers and customers would prefer to work directly without the middleman. Certainly, they have the right to do this to retain their customers; but that's why it's just silly to suggest that any essay company ever "gives" writers and customers direct access to one another.

To the extent there may be advantages to using an essay company, those advantages relate primarily to your first order, before you really have any way of knowing for sure whether or not you're dealing with a legitimate entity that will actually provide the good product you're hoping to receive. As I suggested earlier in this thread, once you know you're dealing with a legitimate entity, there are probably more advantages to dealing with writers directly, especially when it's actually the same writer, which is often the case, especially if you're talking about writers on this forum. Almost all of us have worked for essay companies and also cultivated our private clienteles simultaneously; and it's usually the best and most experienced company writers who also tend to have the most freelance clients and the highest reputational profiles as freelance writers, mainly by virtue of how long we've been doing this for a living and how committed we are to it. To the extent there may be advantages to using a freelance writer, one of the most important relates to the fact that we're very unlikely to decline any future projects from our private clients unless we don't think we can do them. Conversely, when it comes to company orders, we often don't even know (or care) that unrelated orders may come from the same customer as previous projects; and we have zero obligation to take any orders (even those for which we are requested by customers and/or that are directly related to previous orders) if we don't want them for any reason, after which they usually just get posted on the assignment board for any writer who wants to take them. So, private writers often represent advantages in terms of consistency in writing style and consistency of availability to take on future projects.

We usually try to do our best on all of our projects, regardless of whether they come through companies or from our direct clients. However, it's only natural that we're more likely to go farther than the minimum requirements for our private clients than we are to extend ourselves for company clients, partly because our own personal reputations mean more to us than (even) that of an essay company from which we might get projects, and partly because we get paid a lot less for the exact same projects anytime they come through companies. That doesn't mean our writing style or the quality or our research is any different; but it does mean that we might simply decline to take future smaller company projects related to a previous project and/or ongoing sectional continuations of projects that aren't really worth our time or that are inconvenient for us than we are to go out of our way for our private clients. That's only natural when we earn approximately twice as much for the same amount of work on projects that don't go through an essay company. The same goes for revision requests, in that if it's a company order, we tend to stick to the absolute letter of the company's policy and absolutely refuse any requested (unpaid) revisions unless we actually made some mistake. For good regular private clients, we might sometimes do a little extra in that regard, depending on what's involved (and/or give them a significant price break on the extra work) even when it's not owed, such as where the need for revision is entirely attributable to the client's mistake or omission (or to the professor's arbitrarily changed mind after submission). We're also much more likely to do favors, like maybe deliver a project earlier than promised after a private customer contacts us to ask whether earlier delivery is possible because the due date got changed by the professor or because the customer realized he didn't leave himself enough time for review and personalize before submission.

Obviously, as a private writer who hasn't written anything for any essay company in roughly 5 years, I have a vested interest in hoping that new clients will always choose to try private writers before any companies. However, nothing I've written on this topic is either untrue or even an unfair characterization of my personal experience as a writer who spent years writing for essay companies and private clients simultaneously.

When I was writing with a company years back, there was direct contact. However, we did use company emails and not our personal. Still, we had direct access to the clients. It's risky, though. While integrity is important to me, it's not to everyone. Direct contact can be great for better communication but it also opens the door for a dishonest writer to steal clients. And, I'm with you on the private writer avenue. That's my bread and butter! And while the industry and some clients (grin) can be fickle, those of us who've been blessed to have build a steady clientele tend to have better relationships with our clients.

I actually know of one highly reputable company that allows writers to directly contact their client based on any VOIP platform that the client chooses to use. In fact, that company is one of the most trusted and promoted on this forum. Sadly, I do not have their direct permission to mention their company name at this forum so I cannot openly tell you which company it is. Though the company has a group of writers working for them, these writers are basically personal/independent writers since the company allows direct communication between the two. The company sees no problem arising from the direct contact. They do not have a problem with it because the payment of the client still passes through the company, so their conduit position remains protected. The writer won't get his payment even with direct contact with the client because the client prepays for the paper. Hence their lack of interest in controlling the writer-client communication channel.