Native-Speakerism - a Myth or Reality. Some useful reads!

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Apr 20, 11, 06:16AM | #121

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editor75:

sad that you're getting such a negative view

I am sorry. I didn't mean any offense. I know there are both good and bad people in a society. P and WB are certainly the ones that have a clear hand in supporting growing racism, stereotypes, prejudice, etc. in the US and elsewhere (e.g. this forum).

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Apr 20, 11, 06:17AM | #122

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stu4:

butchered from the BRITISH language

Well said!

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Apr 20, 11, 07:20AM | #123

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MeoKhan:

it's your home language taught by your parents(s).

This must have more insulting connotations in Pakistani culture. Here, it just sounds retarded.

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Apr 20, 11, 07:21AM | #124

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MeoKhan:

P and WB are certainly the ones that have a clear hand in supporting growing racism, stereotypes, prejudice,

How is that, exactly? By insisting that the level of fluency a given writer possesses is something that customers in this industry should know in advance?

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Apr 21, 11, 01:04PM | #125

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pheelyks:

How is that, exactly?

You're asking me? My, my! How innocent!

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Edited by: MeoKhan Apr 21, 11, 01:18PM | #126

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pheelyks:

something that customers

I have already stated that I tell my customers up front about my country of origin and that English is my 2nd language.

However, your overgeneralized treatment of ESL writers - both serious and non-serious - (only because their English sounds different - from your divide American standards) is plainly insulting. You and WB (and a few others) have used many a derogatory stereotype, swear word, racist comment so frequently that no one doubts about your hollow arrogance that hurls the turnips back at you.

You must understand that today the entire world is a community which is essentially based on the principles of coexistence and not coextinction.

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Apr 21, 11, 01:21PM | #127

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pheelyks:

it just sounds retarded

Everything that you do has a reason and logic and so is acceptable in some way or another.

It is very simple to assert that you have not learned to admit you're also imperfect like any other human being. I don't know if you will ever arrive at such realization. I wonder!

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MeoKhan:

your divide American standards

Hah?

MeoKhan:

no one doubts about your

One does not "doubt about." One simply "doubts." However, one can "have doubts."

MeoKhan:

hollow arrogance

How can arrogance be hollow? I think that arrogance pretty much covers what you ignorantly and incorrectly think that you are trying to communicate.

MeoKhan:

hurls the turnips back at you

WHAT?

MeoKhan:

very simple to assert

Making an assertion of any kind is not difficult. (Well, it's not difficult for people who—unlike you—are professional writers who understand the language.)

Educate yourself, please.

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Apr 21, 11, 01:52PM | #129

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MeoKhan:

divide American standards

sorry a typo divine American standards

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Apr 21, 11, 01:53PM | #130

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WritersBeware:

Educate yourself, please.

Oh yes, I must educate myself - I need a diploma in racism, a degree in arrogance, and my parents need to teach me swear words = Americanization!

Apr 21, 11, 01:54PM | #131

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MeoKhan:

I need a diploma in racism, a degree in arrogance, and my parents need to teach me swear words = Americanization!

Wow.

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Apr 21, 11, 02:09PM | #132

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WritersBeware:

Wow

Shocked! Aren't you! This is what you and P have done! In you I see the perfect educational model of the US! I wonder what you guys would be doing to the non-white in real life out there where you live in the mighty US society.

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Edited by: MeoKhan Apr 21, 11, 02:10PM | #133

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WritersBeware:

no one doubts about your

I am so sorry for your ignorance! Have you ever heard the name of a dictionary - Oxford Advanced Learner? No you haven't! Please ask your teacher and check this in that dictionary!

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Apr 21, 11, 02:15PM | #134

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WritersBeware:

hurls the turnips back at you

It simply tells me you're completely devoid of something known as taste for literature and you call yourself a writer!

If you had read a few of British poets, you'd never have made such a disgracing comment which has devastated the tall structure of your arrogance.

Apr 21, 11, 02:25PM | #135

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MeoKhan:

Shocked! Aren't you! This is what you and P have done!

Not once have I made such a statement about an entire people or culture. I dare you to prove otherwise. It's clear that you are the "racist" (especially considering all of your attacks against "white" people.)

Apr 21, 11, 02:28PM | #136

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MeoKhan:

WritersBeware:
no one doubts about your

I am so sorry for your ignorance! Have you ever heard the name of a dictionary - Oxford Advanced Learner? No you haven't! Please ask your teacher and check this in that dictionary!

Quote an online dictionary stating that "doubt about" is correct.

Yeah, that's what I thought, moron.

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MeoKhan:

WritersBeware:
hurls the turnips back at you

It simply tells me you're completely devoid of something known as taste for literature and you call yourself a writer!

According to Google, there is not a single instance of "hurls the turnips" published anywhere on the Internet:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22hurls+the+turnips%22&aq=f& aqi=&aql=&oq=

Good job, ass.

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Apr 21, 11, 02:32PM | #138

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WritersBeware:

Quote an online dictionary

Why should I? Obtaining a certificate of correct ENGLISH from the university called WritersBeware is not on my list!

You have also proved that you're not even familiar with Googling some information given so explicitly!

Apr 21, 11, 02:36PM | #139

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MeoKhan:

WritersBeware:
Quote an online dictionary

Why should I?

Why? How about because you told ME to look-up your ignorance in a dictionary. I don't have to do so because I know that I am correct. You—on the other hand—are a bumbling idiot who frequently makes uneducated claims and then refuses to provide evidence (because it doesn't exist, of course). You're both a moron and a coward.

Apr 21, 11, 02:37PM | #140

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MeoKhan:

You have also proved that you're not even familiar with Googling some information given so explicitly!

Really, asshat?

hurls the turnips

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Apr 21, 11, 02:38PM | #141

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WritersBeware:

your attacks against "white" people

I am so sorry to see you go on the defensive! You will never bother to go through the thousands of posts you've made here! You'd never have said that because there is explicit racism, stereotypical attitude, and arrogance in those posts against non-white people!

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Apr 21, 11, 02:41PM | #142

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MeoKhan:

You're asking me?

Yes. I would like you to list an example of the racism I am accused of displaying.

MeoKhan:

only because their English sounds different

No, not only because it "sounds different," but because it is more difficult to understand, less concise, and less nuanced.

MeoKhan:

It is very simple to assert

It is very simple to assert anything. Proving your assertions is something you have incredible difficulty with, however.

MeoKhan:

I wonder what you guys would be doing to the non-white in real life out there where you live in the mighty US society.

I really have no idea what you're saying here. This is the problem with EFL individuals not knowing their limitations. I would never try to insist upon my qualifications in German, even though I speak a little German, and if a native German speaker told me they were having trouble understanding me I wouldn't be offended--chagrined, perhaps, but it would be understandable.

MeoKhan:

Have you ever heard the name of a dictionary - Oxford Advanced Learner? No you haven't!

Considering this dictionary is designed specifically for EFLers, it wouldn't be surprising if WB hadn;t heard of it. Luckily, it's available for free online, and in the example you're thinking of:

"doubt (about something) There is some doubt about the best way to do it."

"doubt" is being used as a noun. In your sentence it was used as a verb, and "about" is incorrect. Again, you need to learn how to use your sources better.

Apr 21, 11, 02:41PM | #143

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Any more dumbass, incorrect claims today?

MeoKhan:

You'd never have said that because there is explicit racism, stereotypical attitude, and arrogance in those posts against non-white people!

If there are so many, or any at all, why can't you quote one? Are you so stupid that you can't quote one amongst what you have conveniently stated are my "thousands" of posts?

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Apr 21, 11, 02:43PM | #144

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WritersBeware:

Really, asshat?

Haha! It was a good one! Let's see! How perfect your mom made you at swear words!

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MeoKhan:

Haha! It was a good one! Let's see! How perfect your mom made you at swear words!

Is that all you've got—the whole "your parents taught you how to swear" bit? You're weak and stupid.

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Apr 21, 11, 02:45PM | #146

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WritersBeware:

why can't you quote one

I don't have time to waste on your silly posts!

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Apr 21, 11, 02:47PM | #147

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Learn to use Google you perfect writers!!!

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Apr 21, 11, 02:48PM | #148

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WritersBeware:

your parents taught you how to swear"

Then why don't you show to the world that you guys know how to argue rationally, and that you have more power in your argument to convince anyone without using any swear words?

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Apr 21, 11, 02:50PM | #149

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This is an Irish expression FYI. But oh, Irish English is nothing for you. Your divine US English is THE lingo of the New World Order. Isn't it shameful calling yourself writers (the best indeed) and being so narrow in your reading and knowledge?

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Apr 21, 11, 02:52PM | #150

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pheelyks:

Luckily, it's available for free online

I am happy you finally lost some of your perfect energy in finding it out online. WB didn't!

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Apr 21, 11, 02:54PM | #151

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pheelyks:

This is the problem with EFL individuals not knowing their limitations

Perfect stereotyping and racism!

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Apr 21, 11, 03:34PM | #152

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MeoKhan:

I am happy you finally lost some of your perfect energy in finding it out online

First, this doesn't make sense (not in English, anyway). Second, you have failed to respond to the fact that your own source shows you to be incorrect.

MeoKhan:

pheelyks:
This is the problem with EFL individuals not knowing their limitations

Perfect stereotyping and racism!

EFL is not a class of people or a race, so this comment is in no way a stereotype or racist. When speakers of any foreign language don't know their limitations in that language, communication problems are bound to become exacerbated. Like when anyone tries to have a conversation with you.

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MeoKhan:

Learn to use Google you perfect writers!!!

Gee, I wonder why you did not provide the link . . . . Could it be because you are a LIAR and it does not exist in Google (as I already proved)? Post the link or shut up.

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Apr 22, 11, 02:57PM | #154

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WritersBeware:

did not provide the link

Why should I provide the link. If it were a matter of collective good, I'd certainly do that. But I don't care what you think about me; I also don't want to convince you for whatever I do. You're one arrogant soul - dot.

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Edited by: MeoKhan Apr 22, 11, 03:05PM | #155

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pheelyks:

no way a stereotype or racist

FYI - read this dictionary definition.

"1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image."

Now compare your statement with this definition. You're so innocent. Each time I have to force open your eyes for the racist crimes you commit here. I am so sorry for you. You guys need to see a psychotherapist at your earliest. Hahahaha! Gotcha!

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Apr 22, 11, 03:58PM | #156

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My comment was not:

MeoKhan:

1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

of anyone. When people do not admit their limitations, regardless of how those people are or what those limitations are, it creates problems. When those limitations have to do with communication, the problem that manifests is difficulty in communicating. This iin no way, shape, or form a stereotype. You're just not fluent enough in English to understand a) what I say or b) what the dictionary says.

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Apr 23, 11, 01:42AM | #157

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pheelyks:

This iin no way

You've not learned to admit your weaknesses, mistakes, and faults - that's it. You and your sister WB are the same. But I am happy the majority are not like you!

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Apr 23, 11, 08:26AM | #158

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MeoKhan:

You've not learned to admit your weaknesses, mistakes, and faults

You've not learned to provide a single specific example of your assertions that doesn't stem from your own inability to process complex thoughts in English.

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Apr 26, 11, 06:37AM | #159

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pheelyks:

example of your assertions

pheelyks:

a single specific example of your assertions

You and your sister WB's racism, stereotyping, prejudice against non-white writers is now an open secret. I do not need to quote/point to anything. The entire ES world knows it.