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EW_writer   Jul 15, 09, 09:22AM | #41
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rustyironchains:
remember WB-- you are more in your element using personal attack and straw man tactics, not appeals to popularity.


Amen. This reminds me of something I wrote a while back.

EW_writer:
I'm betting that the people who are actually paid to do hatchet jobs on writing sites over the net are very few. Most of the individuals who set out to destroy a site's reputation are site owners themselves who do not need to get paid to be properly motivated to make attempts at ruining the competition. Still, I believe that there are "professionals" who have above-average writing skills that some companies use to take on the perpetual duty of launching campaigns to mar the competition. These select few devote a ridiculous amount of time gathering "evidence" while hiding behind some practically unbelievable cover story such as being some sort of successful philanthropist just making contributions for the common good. In order to make the cover story believable to lesser thinkers, these people utilize their above-average writing skills to make them look credible.

The battle fought in the message boards which are the battlegrounds of these professional hatchet workers is far more simple than they make it appear. They boldly proclaim that they are out to take down particular sites by presenting one supposedly damaging evidence after another but in a span of years, these evidences fail to do anything. If people would look into why this is so, one thing would become apparent. This is that all these evidences are virtually unverifiable unless actual authorities move in to verify them, something that authorities would not do because what they are really concerned about is not that some writing sites are off-shore or that these sites lie about where they are based but rather the fact that writing sites provide homework that students submit for credit. Anyone can verify this by trying to find any evidence that the United States government has actually made any attempt at all to bring down off-shore companies for being off-shore and lying to their clients about it. Despite the overwhelming evidences and confessions made on this message board, no official move has been made because this matter is simply a non-issue. Instead, what people would find are academic institutions trying to get the government involved in clamping down on writing sites in general that provide homework to students. But if this is the case, does it mean that professional hatchet workers are fighting a lost cause? The answer to that is no, because the actual cause of these people is not actually to close certain sites down but to make it seem like these sites would not provide quality work for students by making legitimacy equate to quality. In effect, what these people constantly do is create straw men. In logical fallacies, straw men are arguments constructed to look like they are relevant to the issue when in fact they are not. Hatchet workers construct straw men and then tackle and destroy them, making the illusion that they have won legitimate arguments when really, all that they have one are arguments that they themselves created. Thus, when unsuspecting students looking for a place to buy homework read these people's work, they are automatically made to feel that the sites that hatchet workers point out will scam them out of their money because these sites lie about their location and their writers' academic qualifications when these two have virtually no proven correlation with writing competence (how many great writers actually have MAs or PhDs?).

Still, there are occasions when these professionals are forced to cease their efforts and bluntly speaking, are made to shut up. These occasions occur when they commit mistakes that make them look inept or that invariably hurt their employers' interests. For example, if such a person establishes himself or herself as an excellent writer, proving that he or she is also prone to mistakes and hammering on these mistakes constantly would make the person's employers pull the hatchet worker out temporarily to let the issue die down without the worker ever addressing it properly. Another example is when a hatchet worker inadvertently presents solid evidence pointing out that it is more likely for students to get caught cheating if they buy from the companies that the hatchet worker supports. These things are likely to get the worker suspended for some time and perhaps seriously penalized.

The bottom line is, customers should always be wary of what they read on the internet regardless of how well it is written or how convincing it seems. They should focus on the key questions when looking for a writing service rather than being lured to watch the straw man spectacles that hatchet workers offer. Would the service provide me with papers written in the quality that I desire? Would I be safe in using the papers that I buy for whatever purpose I have? These are the only questions that matter.


undertow2:
Na na. I'm gonna steal your pencil at first recess :)


Dibs on the lunchbox. :D
dearbats Edited by: dearbats   Jul 15, 09, 11:02AM | #42
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Posts: 144

WritersBeware:
Dearbats, I don't want to jump to conclusions about your official position.


WB, I've always been very clear about my position.

WritersBeware:
Just to be clear, do you share EW_writer's twisted belief that because one admits to engaging in fraud and working for verifiably fraudulent companies, that wipes one's hands free of guilt and magically makes one an honest or "legitimate" member who posts selfless information about which visitors actually care?


If you had read the post clearly, you would understand exactly what I liked in EW's post:

EW_writer:
We're just honest enough to say that the companies we work for are far from perfect. At the same time, we also demonstrate that we are competent writers who consistently win the confidence and continued patronage of our clients.
- a fact which I've often reiterated on this forum.

Frankly speaking, I care a damn whether or not I'm considered legit on this forum (which is why I preferred to remain silent), simply because this entire industry is not deemed legit according to US laws. Today, if I submit an article to Ezine, I'd be allowed to hyperllink a site I own, to drive business to it through the article. But, if I try to even indicate any association with an essay writing site, the article gets outright rejected! Need I say anymore?

Look, I've never wanted to get into an argument with you, not because I doubt my capability to debate, but because I consider it below my dignity to get into arguments, when there's so much more in life which I'd like to accomplish.
Since you initiated this, I'd like to share with you what I like about EW - the fact that he/she is not prejudiced despite his/her excellent command over English language and has to this point, never discriminated members on the basis of their nationality.

Have a good day.
WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware   Jul 15, 09, 12:22PM | #43
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Posts: 8,669

rustyironchains:
remember WB-- you are more in your element using personal attack and straw man tactics, not appeals to popularity.

Dude, shut the hell up. I don't go after anyone who does not attack me first, so you and EW_writer are fair game.

You're a coward. You signed-up here to personally attack ALL members of the forum, remember? Would you like me to quote all of your vulgar and insulting posts?
WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware   Jul 15, 09, 12:25PM | #44
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dearbats:
If you had read the post clearly

It seems that you are also incapable of civil interaction. I suggest that you watch the derogatory tone, unless you'd like me to point-out all of the mistakes in your posts. (Would that make me "racist"?) I read the post perfectly clearly, and asked you to clarify before concluding that you support fraudulent business practices.

dearbats:
I'd like to share with you what I like about EW - the fact that he/she is not prejudiced despite his/her excellent command over English language and has to this point, never discriminated members on the basis of their nationality.

If you want to accuse me of "discriminating," PROVE it. It's pretty damn low of you to take a pot-shot like that and leave.
OxbridgeResearchers   Jul 15, 09, 12:32PM | #45
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Posts: 934

WritersBeware:
up here to personally attack ALL members of the forum

I was attacked and called a show-off or something just because I talked about my experience with A-R. Really don't know why ... but can assume
WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware   Jul 15, 09, 01:44PM | #46
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OxbridgeResearchers:
I was attacked and called a show-off or something just because I talked about my experience with A-R. Really don't know why ... but can assume

Yeah, but did you know that rusty is the latest "innocent victim" of my wrath? He also made EW_writer's "list of legitimate members," while we don't qualify. ;)

Hey, do you know that it is racist and discriminatory to reveal that the owners of certain companies lie about the geographical location of their companies and nationalities of their writers?

Do you also know that if you get attacked by a wolf, you can't actually tell the Department of Fish and Game representative that it was a wolf that attacked you because that would constitute "discrimination" against the wolf, regardless of its guilt?
OxbridgeResearchers   Jul 15, 09, 03:09PM | #47
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Posts: 934

WritersBeware:
reveal that the owners of certain companies lie about the geographical location of their companies and nationalities of their writers?

Yes but get this ... when i openly state that we take in both as long as they are a zillion % qualified and when i freely mention that i have two nationalities (but only one mother tongue) ... guess what people like Asif (who can't write their way out of a #@&!@) call me? :) No double standards there, right? Will I ever understand any of this?

WritersBeware:
constitute "discrimination" against the wolf, regardless of its guilt?

I am going to report you to the RSPCA! They are going to get you ... discrimination against wolves is illegal[i][/i]. Didn't you see the Bill? It was written on toilet paper and has a Post Office stamp `affixed' to it (it's over at the brunch place for safekeeping). Peter Singer is probably foaming at the mouth now, denouncing you as a specisist ... according to Singer, that is the worst kind of racism :) So ... with all this evidence stacked up against you, wouldn't you say you were a racist?
WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware   Jul 15, 09, 03:19PM | #48
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OxbridgeResearchers:
I am going to report you to the RSPCA!

EW_writer accuses me of being a "bigot" against certain humans. Of course, he's too much of a coward to even attempt to prove it. No surprise there.

Idiots Governed by Criminals

What I simply cannot handle is being labeled as a "wolf bigot." We all have limits.
EW_writer   Jul 15, 09, 04:19PM | #49
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Threads: 27
Posts: 2,239

WritersBeware:
EW_writer accuses me of being a "bigot" against certain humans. Of course, he's too much of a coward to even attempt to prove it. No surprise there.


How many times have you mentioned foreign company/writer and scam in the same sentence? Why is it that every single time you mention that a company's writers are Pakistani, Ukrainian, or Indian, you say it like the nationality's a handicap of some sort?
Cut the crap, you're a bigot and EVERYONE here knows it.

WritersBeware:
Yeah, but did you know that rusty is the latest "innocent victim" of my wrath? He also made EW_writer's "list of legitimate members," while we don't qualify. ;)

Every member of the list so far has openly stated being a legitimate member and has given their reasons for being one. If you wanna be in the list, you gotta say so. That goes for you, OR, dearbats or anyone else.

dearbats:
Frankly speaking, I care a damn whether or not I'm considered legit on this forum (which is why I preferred to remain silent)


So are you a legitimate member of this forum?

List of legitimate members so far:

WriterJohn
rustyironchains
EW_writer
FreelanceWriter
Pheelyks
humble
exwriter
undertow2
dearbats Edited by: dearbats   Jul 15, 09, 04:19PM | #50
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Posts: 144

WritersBeware:
I suggest that you watch the derogatory tone, unless you'd like me to point-out all of the mistakes in your posts.


Please, go ahead. Its the best you can do I'm sure.


WritersBeware:
I read the post perfectly clearly, and asked you to clarify before concluding that you support fraudulent business practices.


Hello, what's irked you so much is the fact that I've hit the nail on the head. This industry isn't even considered legit according to US laws and you have taken the onus to deem others fraudulent?! Does the fact that you're associated with EssayTown make you less fraudulent than the rest of us here? The fact is if you're running a paper mill, whether it's Essay Town or EssayWriters, you're business is unacceptable. Period.

WritersBeware:
It seems that you are also incapable of civil interaction.


What civil interaction are you referring to here? The fact that I openly appreciate EW's posts, makes me incapable of civil interaction?

Look, I'm not the owner of any writing business and neither am I considered an employee. I'm a freelance writer who writes papers, only if they fall in my area of expertise. Does this make me more fraudulent than you who probably owns a paper mill?

WritersBeware:
It's pretty damn low of you to take a pot-shot like that and leave.


Yes, and it's pretty dam high of you to drag me into an argument, right?

WB, this forum, is not a court of law. You think I accused you of "discrimination" right? Can you prove where and how I did it, when I was simply stating what I like about EW? As usual, you're angry b/c I chose to appreciate EW and not you.
dearbats   Jul 15, 09, 04:21PM | #51
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EW_writer:
So are you a legitimate member of this forum?


Now I think I am! Count me in, please!
EW_writer   Jul 15, 09, 04:40PM | #52
Joined: Jul 2, 07
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List of legitimate members so far:

WriterJohn
rustyironchains
EW_writer
FreelanceWriter
Pheelyks
humble
exwriter
undertow2
dearbats
WritersBeware   Jul 15, 09, 04:41PM | #53
Joined: Apr 19, 07
Threads: 152
Posts: 8,669

EW_writer:
How many times have you mentioned foreign company/writer and scam in the same sentence?

I challenge you to show that I am incorrect. What have I stated, at ANY time, that is verifiably incorrect? I also challenge you to provide evidence that ANY of the truly American, British, or Canadian companies are in ANY way fraudulent. I'm waiting . . . . Put up or shut up, coward.


EW_writer:
Cut the crap, you're a bigot and EVERYONE here knows it.

Name names, coward. Who is "everyone"—you and your fraudulent pals who condone the fraud of your Ukrainian-in-American-clothing employer? LOL!
WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware   Jul 15, 09, 05:08PM | #54
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Threads: 152
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dearbats:
Please, go ahead. Its the best you can do I'm sure.

There are two errors in that sentence. I don't think that I need to scrutinize further. You made my point for me.

dearbats:
This industry isn't even considered legit according to US laws and you have taken the onus to deem others fraudulent?!

Please educate yourself before you begin making other points for me. You have blatantly misrepresented the laws that I quoted and had studied at length well before referencing them in this forum. The laws that you have misrepresented deem illegal the sale of academic writings by any person who has sufficient cause to believe that the buyer intends to commit academic fraud. The laws absolutely do NOT make academic research sites illegal. To the best of my knowledge, the laws also do NOT pass judgment on the "legitimacy" of such research sites. Would you like to challenge me on these facts, or would you prefer to continue blowing hot air out of your behind?

dearbats:
Does the fact that you're associated with EssayTown make you less fraudulent than the rest of us here?

Can I trouble you to prove that tired accusation? You and I both know that you can't, but does that stop you from LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH? Nope. This is why you are NOT a legitimate member of this forum. Your personal, commercial interests dictate what and how you post, regardless of truth!

dearbats:
What civil interaction are you referring to here? The fact that I openly appreciate EW's posts, makes me incapable of civil interaction?

Actually, the fact that you insulted me after I had given you the COURTESY of not jumping to conclusions about your position on fraud is what makes you incapable of civil discourse.
rustyironchains   Jul 15, 09, 08:23PM | #55
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Posts: 855

call me chicken again, and we may have to have a "chickie race."
WritersBeware   Jul 15, 09, 08:45PM | #56
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Posts: 8,669

Chicken Race
dearbats Edited by: dearbats   Jul 15, 09, 11:05PM | #57
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Posts: 144

WritersBeware:
Actually, the fact that you insulted me after I had given you the COURTESY of not jumping to conclusions about your position on fraud is what makes you incapable of civil discourse.


Please, save these courtesies for those who need them. I never did and never will need them - Thanks!

WritersBeware:
civil discourse.


WritersBeware:
would you prefer to continue blowing hot air out of your behind?


See the difference? You stoop to conquer , I don't!
WritersBeware   Jul 16, 09, 01:07AM | #58
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Nice display of COWARDICE—that's all you have left when you post LIES about me and pretend to have knowledge of the law.
EW_writer Edited by: EW_writer   Aug 2, 09, 05:36PM | #59
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Updated list of legitimate members of this forum:

WriterJohn
rustyironchains
EW_writer
FreelanceWriter
Pheelyks
humble
exwriter
undertow2
dearbats

The original post where dearbats was included in the list was accidentally deleted along with OT posts a while back.
rustyironchains   Aug 3, 09, 04:10PM | #60
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back when I was an artist I got a contract to draw a design for the side of a riot helmet, with a wolf and the ace of spades.
cliff   Aug 3, 09, 04:53PM | #61
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@asif..(There must to be UK phone number landline.)
Most essays sites manage to get local numbers. For instance customessays.co.uk website shows a uk landline number & an uk address which actually doesnt exist. The calls are only attended when they know that there is some one trying to make an order & facing issues with it.I had the same problem & i cud clearly make out from the accent that they r not based here in uk.But i still went ahead with the order & got duped!!.The website design is excellent which can be one factor that makes people believe it is a genuine site but in reality it is total scam!!.
WritersBeware Edited by: WritersBeware   Aug 3, 09, 08:44PM | #62
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cliff:
The website design is excellent which can be one factor that makes people believe it is a genuine site but in reality it is total scam!

You got that 100% correct, cliff! It's a sickening game plan.

customessays.co.uk = Ukrainian fraud
EW_writer   Aug 3, 09, 10:29PM | #63
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WritersBeware:
You got that 100% correct, cliff! It's a sickening game plan.

Having an organized, well-designed website is "a sickening game plan".... right. :p There was a time when having such a website was simply part of a strong marketing strategy, but now I guess the world's gone upside down and crappy website design is the way to go in order to avoid being branded as a scam. :D Sure... you keep telling yourself that. :D
kermitthefrog   Aug 5, 09, 08:11AM | #64
Joined: Aug 5, 09
Posts: 7

Humble Greetings to all here.

I recently stumbled upon this site and was extremely pleased to find such a thing now in existance.

Would you believe that I am someone who sincerely wishes help with a paper that I know I am going to struggle with. This is the 3rd attempt at a Masters and I will spare you the diatribe.

To this end (sparing everybody the diatribe) I want to know who I could trust with an investment of time and not insubstantial monies. After reading, no trawling endlessly through the dilutative waffle, slanging matches and arguements I now understand how there cannot be a definitive list of organisations one could trust to engage.

Might I make a very humble suggestion?

Why not produce a definitive list of those whom NOT TO TRUST?

Can you imagine my disappointment if the only response is NOT IN THIS THREAD but as I've seconds ago joined I am unaware if I am able to start a new thread let alone how one would do it. Another callous response might be to "write it myself" but it appears there are other members here who appear to be genuine writers. I could take the time to read every one of the several thousand posts here and simply RTFF. But do you know, and here's the thing, the one thing on my mind right now is getting my paper done and presented in the most efficient and safe way possible.

I am in your hands and eagerly await your responses.
EW_writer   Aug 5, 09, 04:23PM | #65
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kermitthefrog:
Why not produce a definitive list of those whom NOT TO TRUST?

Because everybody's site would be on that list. ^_^ It would be impossible to get everyone here to agree that any one site is trustworthy unless we all work for that particular site.
rustyironchains   Aug 5, 09, 07:10PM | #66
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Posts: 855

trust no one-- not even yourself.
cybermediaboy Edited by: cybermediaboy   Aug 7, 09, 03:25AM | #67
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Posts: 193

$200 worth contest for finding a direct evidence of WritersBeware's lies in a course of an otherwise common thread.

http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/12/plagiarism-scanner-plagiarismdetect-598/3 /#msg19314

(i am not sure $200 paper decides much for anyone, but just in case someone needs it at current moment in time)
cybermediaboy   Aug 7, 09, 03:27AM | #68
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Threads: 2
Posts: 193

Anyone remembers other directly visible lies from WritersBeware so that I finally stop hesitating about whether she runs this forum and has a direct connection with at least 123helpme.com ?
cybermediaboy Edited by: cybermediaboy   Aug 7, 09, 03:45AM | #69
Joined: Jun 23, 08
Threads: 2
Posts: 193

WritersBeware:
I challenge you to show that I am incorrect. What have I stated, at ANY time, that is verifiably incorrect?


Proof of your lies:

Fact1: You have accused me of no intent to invite other writing services to GradingRocket rating
Fact2: At the same time, you posted a screenshot and demonstrated a knowledge of my document, which DIRECTLY invites the management of another web site to participate in GradingRocket and CLEARLY and IN DETAIL explains the plan to make this project open to every other academic assistance business willing to participate

Conclusion:
You were aware of an at least 1 particular case of an invitation sent by GradingRocket management to the management of another web site. Still, you have made an attempt to accuse me of something you DEFINITELY KNEW IS UNTRUE.

P.S.
The only thing that you can appeal to, is that this invitation is WEBMASTER invitation, not a PARTNER invitation. Still, it CLEARLY explains that ALL the web sites in the industry are going to be invited into the system as well.

Moreover, you have clearly demonstrated your direct connection with 123helpme.com.

THE USERS OF THIS FORUM ARE INVITED TO DECIDE ON THEIR OWN, WHAT MOTIVES WRITERSBEWARE HAD TO POST HER 3471 MESSAGES ON THIS FORUM.
EW_writer Edited by: EW_writer   Aug 7, 09, 08:05AM | #70
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Threads: 27
Posts: 2,239

Congrats on winning your $200 prize. :D



Oh wait.. the prize is $200 worth of your site's products? o.O
WritersBeware   Aug 7, 09, 12:58PM | #71
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Threads: 152
Posts: 8,669

cybermediaboy:
Proof of your lies:

LOL.

http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/12/plagiarism-scanner-plagiarismdetect-598/3 /#msg19334
texaswriter   Aug 13, 09, 06:22PM | #72
Joined: Jun 27, 09
Posts: 28

Man - you guys get really nasty, don't you?
dearbats   Aug 13, 09, 09:43PM | #73
Joined: Jan 14, 08
Threads: 1
Posts: 144

texaswriter:
Man - you guys get really nasty, don't you?


One scabbed sheep will infect the whole flock.
Daz911   Aug 15, 09, 05:05AM | #74
Joined: Aug 14, 09
Threads: 2
Posts: 7

Is anyone going to slate his grammer ? I hope I don't get him to write any of my papers !
pd2a3z000753   Aug 16, 09, 12:52PM | #75
Joined: Aug 11, 09
Threads: 1
Posts: 30

wha...wha...wha....

may be the one that who talks the most and tends to give reasonable arguments.
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